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Consumers are sick of Coalition’s coal fantasy: They are going solar

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Malcolm Turnbull may have done more for renewable energy than he is given credit for. The political and policy deadlock is creating unprecedented demand for rooftop solar, destroying the business model for coal faster than the Coalition can think of ways to prop it up.

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Prime minister Malcolm Turnbull may have done more for renewable energy in Australia than he is given credit for.

Turnbull’s refusal to tackle the climate deniers and the fossil fuel ideologues within his own Coalition government has helped spark the biggest rush to rooftop solar the world has seen, and a powerful economic force that will quickly unravel the business model of so-called baseload coal.

Since Turnbull came into power in late 2015 – after unseating Tony Abbott, but not his predecessor’s climate and energy policies – the rate of uptake of rooftop solar in Australia has more than doubled.

It is now running at record levels of around 120MW a month, with 18,000 new installations on households and businesses around the country in March, and a total of 55,000 installations, and a record 351MW of capacity installed on rooftops in the first three months of the year.

Photo courtesy Springers Solar

The boom is occurring around the country, which now has 6.8GW of rooftop solar (systems under 100kW) and a total of 1.85 million different homes and businesses.

At this rate, it will exceed even the most optimistic official forecasts of more than 21GW of rooftop solar by 2035, and will likely be closer to forecasts such as Bloomberg new Energy Finance, which sees 33GW by 2040, when it will provide 25 per cent of total demand.

Eddie Springer, the project manager at the family-owned Springers Solar in Brisbane, says the rush to solar is mostly economics, and partly driven by politics.

“The more the media talk about the pushback on renewables, the more people want it,” he tells RenewEconomy. “The more it is in the media, whether good, bad or indifferent, it’s all good publicity, because the economics stack up.”

Springer says a recent installation at a Brisbane furniture warehouse will deliver a three year payback, and even accountancy firms are getting in on the act.

“If you can sell solar to an accountant, you can sell it to anyone. They (the accountants) are starting to spread the word, tell their clients, and we are getting referrals from them.”

The shift should not be surprising. The political deadlock and the lack of any clear policy division has contributed to a huge surge in electricity prices since the Coalition scrapped the carbon price.

Households can comfortably get a four-to-six year payback, and they are looking to take a leaf out of Turnbull’s playbook and put as much solar as they can on the roof, with an eye to the future (storage and electric vehicles), and because it makes financial sense.

Even a top quality system translates into a cost of no more than 10c/kWh, while most consumers are paying close to 40c/kWh for their power, depending on the scale of fixed network charges and their level of consumption. So the purchase makes sense even when it is exporting most of the capacity to the grid.

The consequences are clear: the rapid and accelerating uptake of rooftop solar by Australian households and business will accelerate the very transition that the coal boosters and ideologues are trying to stop.

And that transition is the shift to distributed generation, where rooftop solar, battery storage, the ability to share energy and operate demand management becomes the dominant part of the energy system.

This shift to distributed generation has been a feature of recent landmark studies, such as those by the CSIRO and network owners, and by chief scientist Alan Finkel. It is now a major theme among even the conservative energy institutions that run Australia’s grid, and set the rules and regulate it.

The Australian Energy Market Operator, for instance, says that by 2050, up to 45 per cent of all demand in Australia will be served by distributed generation – primarily rooftop solar and battery storage but also demand response. Networks owners and generators agree. BNEF sees that level by 2040.

This is not a market in which coal-fired generation, new or old, can prosper. Not only is coal fired generation dirty and increasingly expensive, it is hopelessly inflexible.

“These changes in the load profile result in an economic and operating challenge for continuous baseload,” AEMO notes in a recent report, adding that what is needed to accommodate this transition is highly flexible capacity, and new rules to encourage it.

The fact that the coal boosters are scoring a massive own goal should not be surprising.

Their push for new coal generation, or even extending the life of existing coal generators, is based on a stunning mix of lies, ignorance and ideology.

There is a refusal to accept the basic economics of renewables versus fossil fuels, and an inability to comprehend how this can be integrated into the system and ultimately deliver a smarter, cleaner and cheaper grid.

And of course, climate change and other environmental impacts are completely ignored. It is what what Ian Dunlop, the former chair of the Australian Coal Association, laments as “pigheaded arrogance and failure of imagination.”

Consumers, large and small, now know better – whether it be the new owners of the Whyalla steelworks, the biggest telco company in the country, the biggest brewer, or owners of zinc refiners, massive greenhouses, or smaller manufacturing facilities.

Still, the right wing rails against battery storage, against demand management, and even electric vehicles, even as AEMO’s own conclusions suggest a smarter, faster and cheaper grid, if the rules can be adapted.

It’s somewhat ironic that households are taking a leaf out of Turnbull’s own playbook. Systems are getting larger – they now average 7kW, and the 10kW to 20kW sector is the fastest growing in the country, and these are going on households, farms and small businesses.

According to Warwick Johnston from SunWiz, around one in eight new solar systems were accompanied by battery storage in 2017, and one in six will add battery storage in 2018.

A total of 33,000 battery storage systems are expected in 2018, but this number will surge in coming years as costs fall, an inevitable result of the support being shown for large scale rollouts of storage and virtual power plants.

Turnbull has installed 14kW of rooftop solar on his Point Piper home and also has about 14kWh of battery storage, masterminded by his son. Many households are going a similar route, not just because the economics are clear, but ahead of new technologies such as storage and electric vehicles.

Were does this rush to rooftop solar leave us? With a highly distributed grid and less room for inflexible coal plants. The business model for coal is being destroyed faster than the Coalition and the fossil fuel industry can think of ways to prop it up.

And the public has lost faith – in the politics, and its stench of ideology and vested interests, and they are rapidly losing faith in big corporations, represented in this industry by the big utilities, and their overpowering greed.

The biggest risk is highlighted by the network owners themselves. If the market does not adapt, and embrace renewables and change the rules to allow for this smarter, faster, cleaner technology, and deliver the cost reductions it promises, then the current trend of load defection will translate into grid defection.


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  1. Roger Franklin 2 years ago

    Thanks Big Mal for making the decision to install solar and batteries an economic decision based on the facts and not emotions. Understand some of your team prefer to dismiss the facts and stick to the fear strategy. Good Luck with that!

  2. Dee Vee 2 years ago

    Consumers are installing solar because renewables have pushed up the prices to ridiculous, eye watering, highest in the world, levels, not because of anything whatsoever to do with coal. If the coal generators had been allowed to compete with no subsidies and no gold plating and power was still cheap, no one would be installing solar panels.

    As it is their solar panels will barely pay for themselves over their 20 odd year lifespan.

    • Jason 2 years ago

      Links or it’s not true.

      • Hettie 2 years ago

        It’s not true without links.
        His figures must be very old, if indeed they were ever real.

        • Joe 2 years ago

          …’Fantasy’ figures from ‘Fantasy Man’ Dee Vee

      • palmz 2 years ago

        no it’s true if you never turn it on it will never pay for its self never lone in under 20 years 😉

        or you can put a tarp over the panels?

    • Ken Fabian 2 years ago

      The ongoing amnesty on climate costs enjoyed by fossil fuels is the biggest energy subsidy of all. The LNP’s refusal to accept the science on climate distorts every assessment of the relatives costs and relative benefits of our energy choices. BTW, my home’s solar will pay for itself – batteries and all – in about 8 years. Less than that if electricity prices rise.

      • Hettie 2 years ago

        Not to mention the cost to the community of illness directly caused by coal dust and mercury pollution.
        Mine turns a profit afterm 44 months!

        • Calamity_Jean 2 years ago

          Can’t beat that with a stick.

    • Mark 2 years ago

      Is that true or did you read it in The Australian?

    • Jason Van Der Velden 2 years ago

      Wow you are stupid.

    • Peter F 2 years ago

      The gold plating of the network was all to do with increasing power for air-conditioners and inflated forecasts of ever increasing demand. Modern split system air-conditioners use half the power of the old window mounts and efficient lighting and other appliance has resulted in a decline rather than an increase in peak loads. Rooftop solar has further reduced the strain on distribution networks and the peak load losses so overall system cost per customer for the distribution system is falling.
      Oh and by the way, according to Imperial College London solar panels recover their embedded energy about 20 times over in Australia and that is increasing about 2-4% per year
      So one way and another your assertions are completely counter to the facts

      • MrMauricio 2 years ago

        Yep-and the first solar panels made-in California, around 1970 are still generating.Efficiency declines about 10% in 25 years.50 year old inefficient outmoded subsidized Liddell clanks at about 40% of capacity and on last figures at least $80/kwhr while unsubsidized wind and solar are way below that .Fossil fuels are among the most subsidized items in the world-including here.

    • Steve159 2 years ago

      I think you’ll find scheduled large scale renewables are to be installed with an effective LRET value of $0, i.e. no “subsidy” (putting aside the LRET is not a subsidy, but I digress).

      They’re being installed to take advantage of the high cost of power, which is due to the “gold plating” of the grid, and gaming of the system by the gas gentailers.

    • Joe 2 years ago

      Dee Dee, the article is about ‘Coal Fantasy’…you certainly are in ‘Coal FantasyLand’ my man.

    • Peter Campbell 2 years ago

      I think you need to get out more!
      -The coal plants were generally built with tax-payer’s money
      -That zombie idea that solar panels ‘don’t pay for themselves’ has not been true for many decades, if ever.
      -Once PV and wind are built, the ‘fuel’ cost is zero. Even Abbot’s hand-picked Warburton review said that more renewables would push prices down (before then recommending fewer renewables since that is what they were commissioned to say).

    • Hettie 2 years ago

      De Vee, that is so not true.
      Example. 5kW system, no battery. Retrofit.
      Installed October ’17.
      All figures based on present prices and FIT.
      Total cost including interest
      $9431 repaid over 4 years.
      Power bill prior to system,
      $65 per fortnight. Eliminated.
      $6760 saved, assuming no price rises. Ha ha.
      Feed in credits after payment for poles and wires and bought in power
      $40 per fortnight
      $4160 gained
      $6760 + $4160 =$10,920
      *Profit* after 4 years $1489
      Profit thereafter $105 per fortnight. Forever.
      The system pays for itself by 44 months.
      Interest rate 7.99%.

      • Joe 2 years ago

        Well done again, young Hettie

        • Hettie 2 years ago

          Nothing like a few actual, live figures to send th trolls back under the bridge.

      • Barri Mundee 2 years ago

        You are more patient and polite than me in responding to trolls. Nothing evidence-based will deter them as they are paid shills, ideologues or plain ignorant. Take you pick.

        • Hettie 2 years ago

          My reply was aimed at enlightening ignorance, but also puncturing ideology.
          Structured, lucid explanation without gaps is something I have always been good at and enjoy, besides which it gave me another chance to celebrate my decision to go solar, agains the protests of my adult kids, who couldn’t see the value for me. Pensioners aren’t supposed to buy solar systems, that’s for rich people!
          Well, I got my sums wrong, and it has far exceeded my expectations.
          See Vee came across as convinced his figures were good. They might have been, 35 years ago.

        • Ian 2 years ago

          Nah, Barri, Trolls can be very useful, check out what nice comments followed Dee Vee’s post. Dee Vee may or may not be convinced by other’s counter arguments but some folks reading these might.

    • Ren Stimpy 2 years ago

      For starters, the two main causes of rising power prices are grid gold plating (as you mentioned) and high gas prices. Gas prices for gas peaking power (the most expensive type of power) are now four times higher at $8-10/Gj than they were a decade ago because of the LNG export boom of recent years.

      For mains, renewable subsidies such as LGCs enable renewables to bid into the wholesale market at near zero prices. The subsidy is counter-balanced by the reduction in wholesale price, and it also means that these low-wholesale-price renewables are removing high-wholesale-price-setting gas-fired power from the bid stack. Renewables are making wholesale prices cheaper by displacing expensive gas-fired peaking power.

      For dessert, people are installing solar mainly because the price is coming down. Solar is a technology that is very good at economies of scale production. The higher the volume of panel production the lower the price becomes, the more demand there is, the higher the volume of panel production, the lower the price, and on and on and on. The price of solar will keep dropping under that cyclical function until the world is saturated with cheap solar power.

      Bon appetit.

      • Ian 2 years ago

        Well done Ren, that’s a Michelin three star comment.

        • rob 2 years ago

          block him like half of this sight have

        • Hettie 2 years ago

          I agree. Good stuff, abd well worth the 6 uptick.
          Rob, pull your head in.

          • rob 2 years ago

            Ouch Hettie!

          • rob 2 years ago

            Actually not ouch…. he has denigrated women and people with mental disorders (including myself) ……. so forget the ouch or pull my head in,,,,,,,,,,,,, I refuse to be treated like that! you got one thing right……He is rude, blasts out comments without thinking or the impact it has on others……. so yes I am happy I blocked him @hettie

          • rob 2 years ago

            Actually not ouch…. he has denigrated women and people with mental disorders (including myself) ……. so forget the ouch or pull my head in,,,,,,,,,,,,, I refuse to be treated like that! you got one thing right……He is rude, blasts out comments without thinking or the impact it has on others……. so yes I am happy I blocked him

    • MaxG 2 years ago

      Coal without a subsidy would have gone out of business a long time ago.
      Unfortunately coal is still being significantly subsidised at the tune of 4b$ of tax payers money per year.

    • Barri Mundee 2 years ago

      Please fxxk off as you have nothing except misinformation to contribute.

  3. Mark Fowler 2 years ago

    In some ways it is wonderful. Every PV installation is another couple of voters who won’t stand for any attempts to penalise them by the powers that be.

    As for you DV can you see the inconsistency in your logic – if not back into your cave.

  4. juxx0r 2 years ago

    If you ask your accountant what the best investment is and they dont say rooftop solar then you need a different accountant. BTW our solar was $4,300 and saves us $450 every two months, That’s a two year payback.

  5. Peter F 2 years ago

    By my calculations rooftop solar installations from when AGL announced the closure of Liddell to the actual close date will be about 7 GW at 15% CF that will be roughly 9,200 GWh per year 125% of Liddell’s annual output

    • Steve159 2 years ago

      does that include current and expected installations of batteries? If not, then it’ll be more than 125% of Liddell (which is not always running at full capacity in any case).

      • Peter F 2 years ago

        That is annual generation, so batteries actually slightly detract from it due to round trip losses. However the battery losses may well be offset by reduced I2R losses on the grid particularly by lowering peak demand.
        However if the Victorian grid batteries are merely replicated in NSW and behind the meter batteries average 50% CAGR that will give you 1,000 MW of storage across the NEM again pretty much replicating Liddell’s reliable capacity.

        Including all the utility wind and solar that is currently expected by 2022 we are likely to replace three times Liddell’s annual generation. My prediction is that by 2022 not only will Liddell be redundant but gas generation across the NEM will fall by about 30-50% and another coal plant will also be on life support

        • Calamity_Jean 2 years ago

          I hope we will remember in four years to come back and see how accurate your prediction turns out to be.

    • Ian 2 years ago

      Don’t forget the Liverpool range wind farm going up in NSW 1000MW.

      Solar’s the frontal attack wedging renewables into coal’s baseload profitability. Wind is the left and right flank manoeuvres mopping up any straggling raison d’être that coal might have.

  6. Cooma Doug 2 years ago

    Ok Giles.
    I agree with every word in this write and it lines up in every practical aspect of my experience and research of late.

    • Rod 2 years ago

      It will be very interesting to watch what FiTs and supply charges do from here on out. They might have to start bribing folks to stay on grid.
      The increased efficiency of modern doo dads is amazing. My newish fridge uses less than 269kWh per year, my TV 40W, phones instead of PCs save 200W, heat pumps for AC and water can be load shifted easily.
      Exciting times indeed Malcolm.

      • Hettie 2 years ago

        The benefit of staying on grid is threefold, at least for me.
        1. No matter how long a period of heavy overcast lasts – a month or more around June here in recent years, the grid provides power.
        2. No grid, no FIT.
        3. A decent battery costs ?
        $10,000? Which I don’t have.
        That’s about 19.5 YEARS of standing charge. Pretty much my life expectancy.
        Ignoring interest rates and price hikes.

        There can be little doubt that domestic pv is of value to the NEM, and if PHES becomes as big as it should, all that middle of the day output can be put to very good use pushing water uphill. Well, releasing locally generated power to do it.
        The aging population and the tendency towards working from home means that increasing numbers of homes have people in them during the day. Using computers, the Internet, or pursuing hobbies like my woodworking neighbour whose lathe and other power tools are going a great deal of the time. So a good bit of domestic solar is soaked up that way, and by delayed start dishwashers and washing machines, all sorts of ways.
        Surely the retailers are not silly enough to penalise domestic pv? To drive customers away?
        Or are they.?

        • Rod 2 years ago

          “Or are they.?”
          That is the 64 billion dollar question. If they keep raising supply charges and reducing FiTs the economics will favour going off grid for frugal households. And storage will eventually come down.
          I agree, better for all if people stay on grid but most people vote with their wallet.

          • Hettie 2 years ago

            Leaving ever decreasing numbers of the truly impoverished, renters and those with no suitable site for panels, to pick up the tab .
            And yet, even the impoverished homeowner can put up panels now and be better off from the first FIT credit, from my experience.

          • Rod 2 years ago

            Yes, that is the problem. Can the last one on the grid please pay for it.
            Renters have options like Suntenants or even offering a bit more rent if the landlord installs PV. And as you have proven it makes sense for anyone in their own home even with finance.
            The SA Labor plan to put PV on social housing was a lost opportunity.

          • Hettie 2 years ago

            Mind you, the land was bought for its orientation. The house designed and materials selected for the climate, the roof pitch advised by the president of the solar installers’ ass’n, a local and friend, the garden planted to assist climate control, the trees selected for height to avoid overshadowing the roof, the floor slab thickness adjusted to maximise thermal mass where the winter sun strikes it, all that came first, and ensures very low energy demand in a cold winter area.
            So my energy extravagance is having the whole house run on tank water, which must be pumped. Even there, having an oversized pressure tank on the pump reduces energy use, but an evening shower puts a spike in my power use readout, showing that the pump is a significant energy guzzler. I’m sure it costs me more than town water would. But I keep the town water for the garden, and enjoy my rainwater showers.
            The thing is, the 5kW solar system pays for 75% of the loan repayments *and* completely eliminates the power bill.
            In an uninsulated, drafty weather board house with timber floors, the living areas on the south side and 3 mm glass in the windows, I don’t think a 10kw system would do that.

          • rob 2 years ago

            Hettie you need help with more solar? me happy to pay interest free!

          • Hettie 2 years ago

            Rob, you haven’t been reading my posts tonight. The system is making money for me already. I’m paying far less now for power plus system than for just power. But that’s a kind thought, and I do appreciate it.

          • Rod 2 years ago

            We are exactly opposite. We bought 35 odd years ago. Awful orientation with EW glass. Over the years we have insulated the ceiling, blow in the walls, veranda on the West, grape vine and heavy curtain for the East glass, cheap sun room and bay window on the North. Roller shutters on the West glass. eTherm insulation under the roof. The result is 4kWh/day average usage for most of the year.
            Affordable efficiency changes are possible even for renters. Of course, nothing like premium feed in tariffs to encourage low energy use.

          • Hettie 2 years ago

            So pleased for you that you have turned your sow’s ear into a silk purse. There must have been some uncomfortable early years.

          • nakedChimp 2 years ago

            What pump if I may ask?
            We got a Grundfoss here with a pressure switch that runs every time one opens a faucet..

          • Hettie 2 years ago

            Its a Davey. But the regular pressure tanks kick in after 4 litres have been drawn. Mine has enough air pressure to take 60 litres before the pump starts.
            Your saying “faucet,” not “tap” indicates that you are from the US or Canada, so the pumps you have available may not be the same as those in Australia.
            Even in urban Australia getting a bigger pressure tank might be an issue.
            Your tank may have a completely different operating system from mine. Ask your retailer.

          • RobertO 2 years ago

            Hi Hettie, All these tanks have pressure switches that can be adjusted, one trick is to buy a pressues control valve with low pressure stting so you can set the pump to kick in at a pressure above the flow setting so that you do not notice that the pump is working or not working. I think you said you use Tank water over Town water, it should be the other way round as Town water is still relative cheaper at 2.04 per kilo litre.

          • Hettie 2 years ago

            Cheaper, and nasty. And I probably use more water on the garden than in the house.

          • Rod 2 years ago

            Yep, I have a Davey with rainbank and the damn thing came on every time a tap was turned. I put an energy meter on it and discovered it cost me more to pump than buy mains water. The pumped failed and I don’t think I will even bother getting it checked out.
            I understand you can buy pressure tanks with bladders but the bladders need regular replacing so more expense. Water is too cheap.

          • Hettie 2 years ago

            Mine has been going for six and a half years with no problems. I haven’t even had to put more air in it.
            It is completely protected from the sun, tucked in between the tank and house, South of both.
            The bigger tank, meaning fewer starts and stops, obviously extends the life of the pump. The ones I had on the farm gave no trouble in 13 years, despite having standard 4 litre kick in. Again, not in direct sun. You may have a dud, or it may have dirt in the works. Get it serviced, and get a big pressure tank fitted.
            It may cost a little more than town water, but it is far nicer to use.

          • Rod 2 years ago

            Due to my layout I had to have the tank about 50M from the house and a head of about 2M. I think the pump just has too much work to do. It may be it just needs priming. I still use the water for the garden and we have a dedicated tank for drinking water. Maybe if water is ever priced as it should be rather than mostly supply and sewer charges, I’ll look at sorting the pump out.

          • Hettie 2 years ago

            Ah. I see.

          • Farmer Dave 2 years ago

            The bigger the pressure tank the better. I got the biggest the local shop had and coupled it with a so-called constant pressure pump and it has worked fine for 9 years or so. A few years ago there was a story in ReNew about a person in the NW of WA who had an off-grid house and used a lot of power to pump water. He found the very largest bladder tank he could – had to import it from the US – and when installed it meant that his pump ran only twice each day on average.

          • mick 2 years ago

            might be a clagged impeller

          • Hettie 2 years ago

            O Robert, I live in regional Aus, in a small city that is the heart of a vast agricultural area. I have an excelent working relationship with the local pumps and irrigation specialist, who has been advising me since I set up a permaculture market garden 20 years ago, and needed a bore, tanks, pumps, reticulation, the whole catastrophe.
            Eventually it got too much for me, so I sold up, moved into town, designed and owner project managed this house.
            When I want advice on pumps, I know who to ask.

          • nakedChimp 2 years ago

            Hehe, sorry, I just used the first word for ‘Wasserhahn’ that came to my mind (German living in Oz).

            We had a pump with a pressure reservoir like you describe before we got the current one, the first problem was the needed special valve at it’s top for the air – we replaced it with a normal bicycle valve which was too long and punctured the bladder inside 🙁

            Replacing the bladder with a new one also didn’t last long as it broke down some time later, which enabled the pressurized air to contact the water directly.
            And running this without a bladder – I had to re-pump the air every other week as it got soluble in the water under pressure (like sparkling water).
            But yeah, it was nice as long as it lasted as not every opening of the tap caused the pump to run 🙂

          • Hettie 2 years ago

            Sounds like a real pain.
            New pump?

          • nakedChimp 2 years ago

            As I wrote earlier, the pressure switched one works fine atmo.
            Was just wondering what you had as you were mentioning it, maybe something had slipped me by and once this one is up for replacement I could test something new to me 🙂

          • Hettie 2 years ago

            It’s nearly 7 years since I bought a pump. I would recommend that you see if Choice has done any reviews, and find a local pump/irrigation specialist. Talk to the boss, and if s/he inspires confidence and is prepared to discuss the merits of different types and brands, starts by asking you what you want it to do (don’t volunteer that info. Just say you are looking for a water pump), be guided by the expert. Even hang back in the shop and watch how customers are treated. Grubby old farmers who call the staff by name and are called by name in return are a good guide. They won’t keep dealing with anyone who tries to scam them. Wherever you live, head for farmland because that’s where the experts will be.
            Good hunting.

          • Joe 2 years ago

            Hettie, you should be ‘Australia’s Chief Urban Planner’ !

          • Hettie 2 years ago

            I sometimes think so.

          • Ian 2 years ago

            Hettie, how do you get paid out for the credit you generate in your electricity account?

          • Hettie 2 years ago

            It is peculiar to Powershop. Don’t know about other retailers.
            With PS, you get a phone app to buy power on special offers or at various rates, whenever you choose to do so. Before solar, I paid by direct deposit, so they have a/c details. I use the online special rate that gives 18% discount on base rates.
            FIT is credited to my account on the 10th of each month. I then use some of that credit to buy my power for the coming month or more. At present I’m paid up to mid June, but still have $100 credit in the account. Any time there is $100 or more in credit, I can ask PS to put it in my bank account. I will do that next week, to help pay for the air con that’s being installed May 4.
            Just a phone call to lovely people in NZ, at local call rate.

          • Ian 2 years ago

            Thank you for your reply.

          • Rod 2 years ago

            I’m with AGL and they pay a credit into my bank account every quarter.
            There will be a feed in tariff amount on your bill and if it exceeds in dollars more than you spend (plus daily charge, less discounts) they pay the credit if you want or it can roll over until the next bill.
            Other retailers may do it differently.

          • Phil NSW 2 years ago

            Hi Hettie
            I didn’t realise we may have a lot in common. I have 80 kL of rainwater storage which is no longer enough (25 fruit trees and a pool). I pump all the water bar a very small portion I can gravity feed whilst the tanks are still full. I have 5.6 kW installation and run a pool pump. Over summer I broke even. I generally consume about 12 kWh/d of which I buy 3-4 but hot summer days see that jump to 30 kWh.
            Anyhow I digress.
            We all know coal has had its day. We know if Malcom Turnbull remains on the fence his LNP will be consigned to history along with the NEG.
            I wonder, is it possible all this foolishness is actually a clandestine way of the people covering the government’s butt in stumping up for large scale generation capacity and has been for over a decade?