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Death spiral for cars. By 2030, you probably won’t own one

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By 2030, you probably won’t own a car, but you may get a free trip with your morning coffee. Transport-As-A-Service will use only electric vehicles and will upend two trillion-dollar industries. It’s the death spiral for cars.

A major new report predicts that by 2030, the overwhelming majority of consumers will no longer own a car – instead they will use on-demand electric autonomous vehicles.

By 2030, within 10 years of regulatory approval of autonomous electric vehicles (A-EVs), the report says, 95 per cent of all US passenger miles traveled will be served by on-demand, autonomous, electric vehicles that will be owned by fleets rather than individuals.

The provision of this service may come virtually free as part of another offering, or a corporate sponsorship. Imagine, for instance, paying a token sum for a ride into town after buying a latte for $4.50. Or getting a free ride because the local government has decided to make transport easier.

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The report, by RethinkX, an independent think tank that focuses on technology-driven disruption and its implications across society, says this stunning and radical will be driven entirely by economics, and will overcome the current desire for individual car ownership, starting first in the big cities and then spreading to the suburbs and regional areas.

This disruption will have enormous implications across the transportation and oil industries, decimating entire portions of their value chains, causing oil demand and prices to plummet, and destroying trillions of dollars in investor value, not to mention the value of used cars.

At the same time it will create trillions of dollars in new business opportunities, consumer surplus and GDP growth.

Lead consultant and co-author Tony Seba, who specialises in disruptive technologies. His early forecasts for the enormous uptake of solar where considered crazy, but were proved right, and he has since said that new technologies will make coal, oil and gas all but redundant by 2030).

He says while the report focuses on the US, the forecasts are valid for Australia too, because the transportation industry is global. And he warns that the car you buy now may well be your last.

“This is a global technology disruption. So yes, this applies to Australia,” Seba tells RenewEconomy. “And this is going to happen despite governments, not because of governments.

“Furthermore, the disruption will start in cities with high population density and high real estate prices – think Sydney and Melbourne then Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide – and quickly radiate out to the suburbs, the smaller cities, and then rural areas.”

Indeed, there are some people who are starting to anticipate this change, considering Australian-based business models and even local manufacturing, such as those revealed on Monday by Michael Molitor, the head of a new company called A2EmCo.

Seba does not say that individual car ownership will completely disappear. By 2030, 40 per cent of cars will still be privately owned, but they will only account for 5 per cent of kilometres traveled.

Autonomous cars will be used 10 times more than internal combustion vehicles were, they will last longer – maybe one million miles (1.6 million km) – and the savings will inject an additional $1US trillion into the pockets of Americans by 2030.

Seba admits that his forecasts are hard to digest. But what he sees in the transition to autonomous EVs from privately owned petrol cars is the same he has seen for all other major transitions: what he calls the 10x opportunity cost.

It happened with the printing press, it happened with the first Model T – it cost the same as a carriage and two horses, but offered 10x the horsepower.

“Every time we have had a ten x change in technology, we had a disruption. This is going to be no different.”

And that change, he says, will happen on day one of level 5 autonomous EVs obtaining regulatory approval. “Basically, the day that autonomous vehicles are regulatory accepted, transport-as-a-service will be 10 cheaper than cost of new vehicles,” he says. And four times cheaper than the cost of already owned vehicles.

Why is this? Because everything will be cheaper.

Like his predictions on the rise of solar, and the sudden decline of fossil fuels, Seba’s calculations are driven by simple economics. Within few years, the upfront costs of AEVs will match those of petrol cars. But the depreciation costs will be minimal, because the cars, owned by fleets, will “last a lifetime”.

Maintenance costs will be significantly lower – thanks to 20 moving parts in the powertrain compared to 2,000 for petrol cars – and the miles travelled significantly higher; they will be doing 1.6 million km by 2030, more than five times more than petrol cars.

TAAS economics

Moreover, battery technology will improve, needing to be replaced only once, and old batteries will be able to used elsewhere (in the power grid). The cost of maintenance will be one-fifth the cost of current cars, the cost of finance one tenth, and the cost of insurance also one tenth.

“The survival of car manufacturers will depend on building cars with long lifetimes and low operating costs. This means that they will optimise for minimum waste of resources in building and operating vehicles, including designing vehicle platforms with parts that are interchangeable and recyclable.”

The report outlines the huge benefits from this transformation. Unclogging city roads, removing the pollution that is choking major cities, savings millions of lives from accidents and trillions of dollars in health impacts, and freeing up parking space.

We often forget about the health impacts of fuel cars. In 2015 in the OECD alone, outdoor air pollution lead to $US1.7 trillion annual economic cost from premature deaths. According to the World Health Organisation, 1.25 million people died from road traffic accidents around the world in that year, and another 50 million were severely injured.

“Autonomous vehicles will be safer than human drivers, leading to a decrease in road traffic accidents,” the report says. Although, to be sure, any such accidents caused by faulty software rather than humans will create huge controversy

The nature of the vehicles may also change – with a range of two-person, four-person, eight-person and even bigger vehicles in heavy population areas.

It will also have an impact on geopolitics – with the world no longer dependent on oil reserves for the bulk of its transportation needs. This will benefit big transport fuel importers like Australia.

The “politics of lithium,” meanwhile, are completely different to the politics of oil. Lithium is plentiful, although it needs planning to ensure that the mines are in place to extract it, and its demand can be reduced by recycling. Alternatives can be found for cobalt, currently found mostly in countries such as Democratic republic of Congo.

TAAS salesSeba recognises that most people assume that the biggest impediments to this scenario are behavioral issues such as love of driving, fear of new technology, or just habit. The cost savings, the speed, the increased safety and the extra free time will be key factors.

But he says that what he calls “pre-TaaS” companies such as Uber, Lyft and Didi have also invested billions of dollars developing technologies and services to overcome these issues. In 2016, these companies drove 500,000 passengers per day in New York City alone.

“That was triple the number of passengers driven the previous year. The combination of TaaS’s dramatically lower costs compared with car ownership and exposure to successful peer experience will drive more widespread usage of the service.

“Adopting TaaS requires no investment or lock-in. Consumers can try it with ease and increase usage as their comfort level increases. Even in suburban and rural areas, where wait times and cost might be slightly higher, adoption is likely to be more extensive than generally forecast because of the greater impact of cost savings on lower incomes.

“As with any technology disruption, adoption will grow along an exponential S-curve.”

  

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  • Chris Drongers

    I am buying shares in electric power companies (initially in power station installers, later in power-sharing-sales)!
    I’ll start believing in this when (robotically connecting) charging points appear outside my 7-11 and in numbers in my shopping centre carparks.

    • Greg Hudson

      Tesla has already created a robo charger. Watch the video. Amazing !
      http://www.motoring.com.au/tesla-creates-robo-snake-charger-53048

    • Mike Dill

      Power companies are going to be fighting the lower cost of solar and storage. Not a big winning play there.

    • Peter Campbell

      I have been charging one electric car at home for 8 years and two for over 3 years with just an ordinary power point in the carport. It is really no big deal. I rarely find public charging points to be useful or necessary for urban travel. What would be useful is fast chargers along highways and at the urban fringes to extend the range lower range EVs.

  • Adam Smith

    Totally agree that the combustion engine is almost redundant, but will really look forward to getting my boat towed to the ramp for the cost of a latte! The grey nomads will also no doubt look forward to not owning a car. Some of this must have been thought up whilst sipping a latte and munching on a smashed advocado whatever. Sure it will be cheap, but cars have always been a personal thing and I would suggest the rich will still be buying the latest EV Porsche, Mercedes or BMW and the kids will be hotting up a 10 year old petrol WRX, with aftermarket 4 wheel electric drive and a tesla pack. The socialist utopia ideal never worked anywhere and the auto industry has always been anything but a communal pursuit.

    • MikeH

      Millennials & Gen-Xers are already reducing their car usage in the USA and there is no socialism in sight. Uber & Lyfft are models of aggressive capitalism being developed to provide a more convenient service cheaper than the alternative and they are having a big impact with the transport habits of the young.

      http://time.com/money/4185441/millennials-drivers-licenses-gen-x/

      Today’s cities where the bulk of people live are quite different to when the baby boomers established the car culture – cars now just as likely to mean traffic jams. The city centres are starting to ban cars or limit access. Driving holidays are being replaced by cheap air travel.

      Whatever happens, autonomous vehicles are going to be very disruptive.

      • Durham 52

        Baby boomers hardly “established the car culture”, as a baby boomer I was born in 1952 and wasn’t old enough to drive until 1968, the “car culture” was well and truly established by then believe me.

        • MikeH

          I am sure it was since 1952 was not the start of the baby boomer generation.

          “Baby boomers are the demographic group born during the post–World War II baby boom, approximately between the years 1946 and 1964.”

          While the USA had roads and suburbs prior to the war, the US Interstate Highway system which drove the popularity of the driving holiday was built post 1956. The postwar expansion of the city into suburbs beyond the reach of existing public transport networks drove the increased use of cars in the city.

          • Durham 52

            Yes, I’m aware that the baby boomer period started in 1946, even so the first baby boomers to reach legal driving age would have begun driving in the mid 60’s at the earliest. In fact the years designated as the baby boomer years means that boomers began driving between 1967 (assuming a driving age of 17 years) and 1981. My only point was that the culture of the car was firmly established well before the majority of baby boomers were legally behind the wheel.

          • UncleFedele

            The “car culture” stretches back to at least the 1920s and, were I interested in researching a precise date, I could probably make the case that it was pre-1920.

            The other problem with your assertion that boomers established the car culture is that it existed pre-WWII in France, Germany, Italy, and the UK and probably other European countries. Appreciation of the freedom conveyed by individually owned automobiles and motorcycles is appreciated across all cultures advanced and prosperous enough to own them.

            The interstate highway system, which was built to facilitate moving military assets efficiently across country, did make driving holidays to more distant destinations easier, but driving holidays to closer locations were already popular as were day trips for family get aways, picnics, etc.

            The reality of automotive adoption in this and other countries is rather different that you portray.

      • MaxG

        Forget this article: they asked 618 people; really?! Is this considered representative for a country where over 250m cars and light trucks are on the road, with an increase of 5m between 2014 and 2015. Someone must drive these 5m vehicles 🙂

      • Grand2833

        There is no cheap or pleasant air travel. Their is no reduction in car usage. Anyone who can afford a car is driving a car. In our multi-racial society a car provides a physical barrier that offers protection from violent and criminal elements of our society. In an emergency situation such as wildfires, hurricanes, flooding it is gas-powered vehicles that allow the evacuation of cities and threatened areas. It is power lines and cell towers that are the first to fall in a hurricane or a badly flooded area. How do you propose to charge the batteries in thousands of vehicles fleeing a natural catastrophe? I live in New Orleans, Louisiana. The entire city was evacuated before Hurricane Katrina. People left on the trains, the buses, but most left the city in their own vehicles. Tens of thousands of people all trying to get out of the city. It took hours just to reach the city limits. Electric vehicles would have lost half their charge just getting out of the city of New Orleans. No one will risk their lives, certainly not the lives of their children, to have an electric vehicle. It’s not worth it, when it all comes down everybody is responsible for their own safety. You cannot depend on government to take care of you and your family. No one will give up their gas-powered vehicles.

        • brother_eu

          Snowflakes don’t understand that. Like moths flying right into a zapper.

        • Calamity_Jean

          “Electric vehicles would have lost half their charge just getting out of the city of New Orleans.”

          No they wouldn’t. An electric vehicle standing still with its heater or air conditioner off uses a negligible amount of power. It’s not like an oil-burning car that uses fuel while idling in traffic.

          Please remember that in the 2018 model year there will be at least three battery-powered cars that will have ranges on a full charge of about 200 miles. If they left New Orleans fully charged, wouldn’t they be safe when they ran out of charge 200 miles away?

      • Chad Burke

        Ever heard of a taxi? Uber and Lyft aren’t exactly radically new concepts. More of a step sideways.

    • Chris Drongers

      Some petrol cars will remain, like horses. A statement of high income.
      But if autonomous cars become common it won’t be long until manually driven cars are banned from major transport routes, school zones, entertainment areas.

      • Grand2833

        Keep dreaming….

    • Chris Ford

      The article does say that by 2030, “40 per cent of cars will still be privately owned, but they will only account for 5 per cent of kilometres traveled.” So those who want/need their own vehicle for specialised purpose are still catered for in the prediction.

      • Durham 52

        Yes, just living in a rural area means needing a vehicle. I can’t see rural towns and remote properties being serviced by autonomous vehicles, most places beyond the urban fringe can barely get a bus or train! The usual “not enough people to make the service economic” argument will no doubt apply. Still if they reduce congestion in the cities, it will be nice for us country folk when we have to drive our cars to the city.

        Bring on the electric 4×4 with a 500+ klm range.

        • Chris Ford

          … and a solar roof so it’ll charge itself. 🙂

          • Grand2833

            What a ridiculous notion! Do you have solar cells on your roof? No, you do not or you would realize they provide very little electricity. These vehicles would have their down time during the night. No current is generated from solar cells during the night. Windmills? Not if the wind isn’t blowing, no current there. Oh, golly gee, we would have to have coal burninig electrical generation, perhaps natural gas to generate all that electricity needed for millions of electric vehicles. Better start building those power plants because you will need to triple the amount of electricity generated today in order to charge up all those electric cars. Darn, those details are always so pesky and expensive. That reminds me, who gets to pay the bill for this socialist pipe dream? Who’s going to pay the extra taxes for all this nonsense?

          • Calamity_Jean

            Dream on, guy. The wave of the future is renewable and electric.

        • Miles Harding

          Tesla Model X 100D?
          Sorry about the affordability, though.

          • ben

            yes they are and will be expensive, but the thing is we won’t need to buy one, we will pay on a per usage basis. So the actual cost of the vehicle is secondary. How much does a plane cost? No-one owns their own, they buy a ticket

        • BushAxe

          There’s a good argument that autonomous EV’s will be able to provide cheap public transport to alot of people that are unable to drive including rural areas currently deemed unviable.

      • Grand2833

        The “prediction” is nonsense. The left has a tendency to believe if they repeat their nonsense enough times people will begin to believe it and accept it as fact. Fortunately, the majority of the people do not fall for this tactic. Common sense prevails and people simply dismiss stories like this as more of the liberal nonsense put out by the media.

        • Calamity_Jean

          Wait five years, you’ll be surprised. Wait ten years and you’ll hardly find an oil-burning car.

      • Calamity_Jean

        I imagine that families with children small enough to need safety seats will have their own cars, just because installing, removing, and lugging around the seats would be such a hassle. When the youngest child got big enough to use a standard adult seat belt, the parents might give up having their own car with a sigh of relief.

        • Chris Ford

          Yep, agree. Plus, shifting 350kg of baby/kid stuff from autonomous taxi to autonomous taxi would get annoying pretty quickly. 🙂

    • JoeR_AUS

      Agree,I not sure it will be redundant, after towing a boat for 120km and driving 1700km in a week last year!

      I still think hybrid is the way to go as people talk about “30km a day” but there are too many days were the rule is broken. So we will have ICE and BEV together, I know some people say BEV only but they should ride a bicycle ie they are single person back and to work only.

      Also the above report does not cover the social impact on jobs, if all couriers, uber, taxis, hire cars are replaced what will all these people do for a job?

      Eventually, the dialogue of manufacturing in the country vs importation must come up as how much pollution is generated in the Global economy by shipping/ flying all over the world – much more than ICE for personal use!

      • nakedChimp

        Fine, BEVs don’t cover your usage pattern yet.
        Mine isn’t covered yet either.
        But I don’t post that PHEV will be the way to go. It’s too complicated and expensive and will be obvious in 5 years.

        As for the socio-economic impact of people being set free from jobs that will be done by robots/AI while still needing an income for a dignified life – well – UBI comes to mind. Financing it will be the greatest social battle the world has ever seen.

        • JoeR_AUS

          PHEV and BEv will be the only option from EU as 95gm C02 per Km is mandated as fleet average for 2020.

          Yes it will be more expensive.

          Dignified life – sounds like depression to me!

  • trackdaze

    I’m not sure how this will solve congestion issues given that there will be some inefficiencies with a uberlift having to travel between gigs. Parking may be easier.

    • Rod

      You would hope there would be some sort of car pooling, ride sharing ability.
      Good point re the parking. Should free up some road space.

      • ben

        I believe that some 20% of the area of the Adelaide CBD (where I live) is taken up by car-parks, either flat bed or high rise. If these are no longer required for cars, or have a massive reduction in usage, then they could be repurposed for cycle parks.

        • Rod

          Yay, e-bikes allowed I hope.
          Adelaide City Council would go broke!

          • ben

            Well exactly. So that means there is a vested interest in ensuring there is large scale commuting via owner-vehicles.

          • Rod

            Yes, unfortunately.
            I think the ACC, along with the State Libs, had a hand in squashing the ALP proposal of a dollar a day car parking tax in the CBD

          • ben

            That wouldn’t surprise me. The ACC own “U Park”, and I am sure make a tidy sum from it. At the same time they are the development approval regulatory authority for new car parks. Conflict of interest?

      • trackdaze

        There is the potential it leads to more cars. With one required for your service near your home near your work..etc etc …..

        • Mike Shackleton

          With this statement you are demonstrating a lack of understanding about how the system would work.

          • trackdaze

            To wonder is to begin to understand Mike.

            did say potential afterall. Say for instance people abandon mass public transit in favour of a more personal service in the morning…at peak start times…..

          • Grand2833

            No, actually he is making a good point. The system you envision is simply not feasible without a massive government infrastructure, at enormous costs, in total control of all traffic. Unworkable and unaffordable.

    • Mike Shackleton

      You won’t be the only one using the car yeah? And you’ll book in your trip details – origin, destination, when you want to arrive in advance. With perfect implementation the car that arrives at the kerb to pick you up will have only completed a trip moments before, and will go onto another trip once it drops you off. In order to bring your trip cost down you will also have the option of sharing the car with someone else, which the booking system will manage so as to minimise disruption to your trip.

      Live traffic planning using apps such as Google Maps has already made traffic flow more efficient in cities.

      • JoeR_AUS

        Try this for 100,000 people going to the ANZ stadium during peak hour on a wet night – and then 3 hours later to pick them all up again.

        Sure it can be done but the current generation will google a car 5 mins before they need it on there smart phone. So some central body will need to plan the cars and have them ready for the load, so it sounds like a public system and all the good things that brings!

        • Mike Shackleton

          That’s a stupid example I think you’re being deliberately obtuse – that stadium is well serviced by trains why would you order up a car when you can get reasonably close to your destination using the train and then catch a share car from the station if need be?

          • JoeR_AUS

            I only used a real example:

            As obviously you have never sat in the traffic jam that starts from Homebush and queues past Macquarie Park on Lane Cove RD and also backs up on Blaxland Rd to Eastwood.

    • Miles Harding

      Another way to free up road space is to close up following distances, which could be much shorter for ‘platoons’ of 8 or 10 vehicles. Another advantage is that wind drag (for most) is greatly reduced.

      There is a lot or research being conducted at present to establish the rules and behaviour so platoons interact safely and sensibly with other road users.

      One limitation is that it is a once-off improvement and will not solve congestion if traffic density increases greatly (could double?) becuase of this empty travel between gigs. Multi-passenger travel would help, perhaps Ubers should be mini-buses and not passenger cars.

      An Uber behaving badly could also use the roads as a parking lot by causing a gridlock.

  • john

    I have a relation who has never owned a vehicle.
    He does own a push bike, if that can be determined as a vehicle.
    I expect if he ever purchases a vehicle it will be an EV.
    However the article does relate to his situation to some extent although his use of public transport is his primary travel choice.
    I would venture to say his savings from never having purchased the worst consumer item ever produced is handsomely reflected in his financial situation.

    • Rod

      For most of my working life I commuted by bike allowing us to have only one car (for the wife to get to work)
      No doubt about it, cars are money pits. People obsess over fuel prices but are oblivious to the standing costs.

    • JoeR_AUS

      Yes transportation cost money but so does living, you do what you can afford

  • Ian

    Electric Vehicle does not equal autonomous vehicle. Two different concepts, but these technologies will obviously coincide in the same vehicle. I for one would be happy to have an EV without autonomy parked in my suburban drive but would equally be happy ( but scared sh-tless no doubt) to use an autonomous ICE vehicle in the city.

    • trackdaze

      If your like me Ian then you would welcome every other driver on the road have autonomous driving?

      • Ian

        I would much prefer if other road users chose times to travel different to my own!

      • yarpos .

        A friend of mine is eagerly awaiting autonmous vehicles. He wants to brake check them and watch the hipsters spill their turmeric lattes. He is evil though.

        • trackdaze

          I can imagine any artifical intelligence driving assistence may see just how bad driving standards are pull over to side off the road and have a big artificial cry…”its all too hard” will flash up on the screen.

          Ps:Just let him know that emergency braking tech is currently only 70% effective in avoiding a crash.

          So he has about 1 in 3 chance of smelling like tumeric. Not good.

    • Jan Veselý

      It§s the economy. When you an auto drives really a lot of km, the purchase costs are becoming secondary, the operation cost starts to rule. EVs are much cheaper to operate.

      • JoeR_AUS

        Hmm I don’t know anybody (unless retired and cash upped) who buy a vehicle from cash.

        So the lease/loan is the most expensive part not the ruining costs and once they get to a certain age you upgrade as its cheaper to buy new then run a old car (unless low miles). The argument that you will not need to upgrade…. who wants a 10year BEV when you can have a better new one!

        A BEV needs to be cheaper than ICE from the start then it will come down to your personal usage, distance, etc

        • Jan Veselý

          I think you didn’t get it. The trick is in transport-as-a-service model. In that case, car will be owned by some service providing company, customers will pay for the ride. What is certain, that with this business model, cars will be 10-15x more utilized (200k km per year, not per lifetime). So, the cost of purchase will not be so important, service provider will gladly purchase twice as expensive product while it has 4x lower fuel costs and cheap maintanence.
          Why we are so sure? Just look at air traffic, railways, shipping or trucks, service vehicles.

          • JoeR_AUS

            Not true

            If the general public cold afford planes, helicopters, ships, trucks etc we would all have are own as the Wealthy already do!

  • Steven Zilm

    Someone had better tell the guys that just paid $500k for a 1970 GT Falcon and the $1M for the Channel 7 A9X Torana they made big mistakes! Giles, I don’t think I’ll start selling my classic car collection just yet!…. But the Electric Hatchback Torana project is underway….

    • JoeR_AUS

      post pictures soon!

      Wait till Holden shut down in October this year, then we will see how much more they are worth as Australia will never produce a car again!

  • Ian

    Time for someone to design in a quick-fit child seat system too. That is the single most inhibiting item for young families using taxis or other TaaS facility other than a bus.

  • Michael Dufty

    I think if you look at the cars people currently buy, you can see that assuming people will go for something because it is the cheapest option is a long way from actual human behaviour.

    • whatsup

      The article address that point well. It’s not that people will always go for the cheapest option. It’s that there’s a well established tipping point where if the cost drops significantly while offering greater benefits, many or even most people will go for the lower cost option

      • HAGGIS1969

        BS

        • whatsup

          lol. Telling it like it is 🙂

          Care to share examples of mass-market products where the majority of people spend more than 10 times as much on products or services that offer less benefits?

      • Mina

        Not if it comes to giving up freedom of movement that is reliable and practical. Not a stupid idiot’s wet dream of a metrosexual’s unicorn.

  • Douglas Hynd

    Where substantial investment is involved change is more gradual – decisions are not just economic they are driven by social, psychological factors and facilitating governance structures.

  • ben

    I think cycling and walking will experience massive upside due to this – all of those roads will be able to be repurposed to use them for cycle ways, and they will be safe, because the autonomous cars will be able to detect the cyclists or pedestrians and not collide with them. This will lead to more people cycling and walking (as we know that cycling / walking infrastructure results in increases in both activities) which in turn will lead to health and wellbeing improvements. I wonder if anyone has modelled that?

    • Miles Harding

      Good point.
      A large number of our dopey drivers don’t stay within the carriage way and drive along with half of their car in the cycle lane. Is this just a WA thing?

      • ben

        Nope it’s an SA thing too

        • nakedChimp

          It’s an ‘I have not experienced how it is to be a cyclist’ thing.

          At least we now have the 1.5m distance thing when passing a cyclist in QLD – dunno about you guys.
          Before that became law – cyclists were startled and turned to look back at me what was up, when I slowed down to their speed, if there was not enough space to pass them safely on 2 lane roads.
          Talk about expectations.

          And yeah, if you ever rode a cycle and someone did pass you with more than 80 km/h in a distance of 1 meter you’d do the same.

          • ben

            Yes we have it too. It has made quite an impact although there are many drivers who ignore it.

          • Miles Harding

            So far, WA has failed on the 1.5 metre rule, perhaps because it was the Greens that proposed it and the Libs were in at the time. Compliance is the other issue. It’s been illegal to drive outside the carriageway for a very long time.

            Another aspect pf the EV experience it that it is easy to slow up and pace cyclists at a reasonable following distance as they negotiate traffic circles.

          • ben

            Yes but for autonomous EV they will need to tune the systems first. LIDAR are getting smaller all the time, and the ML systems to recognise bikes will improve greatly. The rise of e-bikes will help too as onboard GPS would help the system recognise their location

            http://spectrum.ieee.org/transportation/self-driving/selfdriving-cars-have-a-bicycle-problem

          • Miles Harding

            Enter the ‘bicycle algorithm’ …

          • ben

            They’ll work it out I am sure

          • Joe

            In Sydney we’ve got the 1.0 and 1.5 metre rule and as I cyclist on the road everyday I can tell you most drivers haven’t got a clue. Time to banish cars from the roads !

          • James Nilsson

            And that refrigerator you ordered van be delivered by bicycle.

        • Coley

          And a UK thing-:)

          • Joe

            And a Sydney thing

        • Donn N.

          And a PD thing.

    • JoeR_AUS

      haha, I ride a bike to work but I took a 18 year break while I dropped of my daughter/son to the school by car, later on to the buss stop. Everybody there drove as well, the only person who was close enough to walk the two kids lived less than 500m from the School . Most mums often have one in a pram – lots to carry on a bicycle.

      I can see bicycles not being the factor you think it will be, childless Alpha males maybe!

      However, ride on!

      • ben

        Yes I realise there are some impediments but a lot of what you describe can be overcome through protected cycle-paths and improvements to infrastructure.

        • JoeR_AUS

          great idea, but 50% of adults are obese, they are not going to put a leg over a top tube ever.

          Electric bicycle or motor bike has a chance but they got to be much cheaper but they will only raise accidents as once non enthusiast start to drive them, its all over!

          • ben

            Look I realise bikes are not suitable for everybody, but there are large health, economic and environmental benefits.

          • Grand2833

            Rain? Hot weather? Storms? Clothing from the drycleaners, groceries from the Wal-Mart eight miles away, dogs taken to the vet, three kids that need to go everywhere, family vacations, frequent trips to state parks, purchases from the local Home Depot or Lowe’s? Are you beginning to get my point here? It simply will not work. Bicycles and electric vehicles are a ridiculous waste of time. Cars are the cheapest and most reliable form of transportation in our society. That will never change because people will not accept anything that curtails their freedom of movement, that impacts their safety and the safety of their families. Wake up! This is the real world and real people don’t want the bicycles and the electric vehicles. Period.

          • ben

            Cycling is not suitable for every purpose, there are a mix of use-cases for which cycling is good and others where other modes of transport are good. You also have to look at the interplay between suburban living and transport modes. On EVs, they are cars. When autonomous EVs emerge you will be able to have one come and pick you up and take you to Wal-Mart, and the overall ownership cost will be much less.

        • rhcrest

          Yes a mother can carry her children and her groceries on a bike . No problem! You people are nuts

          • ben

            Not for 20 km along a freeway in the suburbs of course, but *in certain areas* it is reasonably common to see the Dutch style cargo bike carrying kids and groceries. A friend of mine has one and uses it every day.

          • rhcrest

            If that’s your choice then fine but most people are not going to do that

          • ben

            That is true. Even if you look at the Netherlands, cycling is about a third of the most frequent mode of transport, cars about 50% and public transport and walking the remainder. Where I live it is about 5%. So even if we double or triple that, we still have a long long way to go. The Netherlands were a predominately car dominated culture until they implemented a very strong policy of moving to cycling over several decades. It can be done.

    • James Nilsson

      Have you ever tried to cycle in snow at 20 below?

      • ben

        Nope, but I’ve cycled at 40 degrees Celsius. As I have said elsewhere, there is a mix of use-cases for differing modes of transport and not all of them are matched with each other. I realise this is a little difficult for people to understand.

  • Cooma Doug

    The cars will coordinate tasks autonomously.
    We will have a travel plan and it will be accessable by all cars. We will also have an energy profile and cars will be the poles and wires to the high density and normal housing. They will park at residences and share energy for all purposes.
    There will be no need to pay or notify. It will be auto. The need to request a vehicle outside the plan will be a quick word into the phone.

    • ben

      Exactly. EVs are batteries on wheels. They will have multiple functions, transport as well as mobile energy.

      I’d also like to see the impact of EVs on public transport and commuting. A fleet of EVs could go and collect people from an area / suburb and take them into their workplaces – if the passengers put in their destination to the smart phone app and the system would optimise the route for pickup and delivery, plus collecting any other passengers along the way.

      The really important thing here is the interplay between smart houses, micro grids, energy trading, domestic solar / batteries and EVs.

      As you say, you can imagine a scenario whereby a facility or house will require additional power. A fully charged EV could automatically drive to the location and provide power to that facility, or conversely if a household had excess power from its solar array, the EV could charge itself from that solar array over the grid. A little like what Reposit Power are doing now.

      • Cooma Doug

        The residential high density blocks will have ample energy 24/7. Each resident on average will have 1 car.
        Each car will have details and energy sharing arrangements with all units.
        The possibilities are endless.

        When out the cars will frequently be connected to the grid via the charging stations. This will enable functions of energy management kn the main grid. There will always be many times more battery storage connected to the grid in this way than is tequired.

        I believe the contribution of the cars in this way would greatly reduce the cost of the energy use at home.

        • Mina

          Oh, GOD!

    • Grand2833

      Idiot. What nonsense, do you really think all the people of any large city will cooperate in this ? If you think this is possible I suggest you visit a city with it’s many different minority populations. The level of violence and the amount of property crime is overwhelming. No way these people are sharing anything, they are takers, consumers. Who is to pay for all these “shared” services? The vehicles, the maintenance and upkeep, the insurance, the energy costs? No, this is a ridiculous socialist dream of some fictional nirvana. It’s not happening in the real world with real people.

    • KevTuck

      There will still be phones?

    • Mina

      Your are sh-_’n us, aren’t you?

  • Radbug

    Don’t forget EV Vespas. Unlike the ICE Vespas (etc), they have a huge advantage, they won’t damage your hearing.

    • Vox Veritas

      Huh? Speak up, please.

  • Miles Harding

    I recall that the original nuclear power argument that it would be “too cheap to meter” didn’t work out exactly as predicted.

    I feel the same will be the case here. Anybody who drives an EV on a daily basis will be familiar with how much energy it actually uses. While it is true that maintenence will be reduced, it won’t be zero and there is still cost of finance and depreciation in additon to licensing and corporate profts for the ubers that will be presumably running the fleet.

    Most state and city administrations seem to be suffering financial stress, and are having diffculty collecting rubbish** these days, so offering a free car transport service in the near future seems unlikely.

    It would probably be reasonable to predict that taxis will be displaced and public transport augmented as passengers conclude that it is still quicker to take a short ride to the station and blast down the rails instead of sit in in a traffic jam with 50,000 other ubers.

    **Packaging laws with teeth could reduce this cost dramatically, except that the dopes in local government have all signed off-take agreements with garbage-to-power operators and are now trapped in cycles of excess waste to feed boilers.

  • newnodm

    maybe by 2050.

  • David K Clarke

    I’m dubious about the prediction that the EVs will do 1.6m km. We finally gave away our 330,000km, 20 year old Toyota Corona because of worn-out upholstery, door-seals, failed heater, drafts, rattles; the power system was still in good working condition.

    • Mike Shackleton

      You design these pooled EV cars with easily replaceable components – seats that are easy to reupholster or replace – door seals are not hard to replace and a heater box that is modular in nature. They might not be stylish but they will be incredibly utilitarian. Much like the London Taxi design I would expect.

      • JoeR_AUS

        sounds like a Trabant

        • nakedChimp

          Na, the Trabants frame was rusted through after 10 years in certain places.
          Not even Unterbodenschutz helped.
          Have been driven around in them for my first 18 years 😉
          Though I think the first we had I was already 2 or so.
          And had to be replaced when I turned 7 or thereabouts.

          You should imagine an enthusiast computer case which costs around $200 or more and will last you a lot of boards/cpus/graphic cards and hdd’s/ssd’s for a more fitting comparison.

  • JoeR_AUS

    2030 this must mean that BEV cars are cheaper than ICE cars, to purchase otherwise n/a.

    Autonomous vehicles will have there place:

    My Parents are both to old, poor eye sight etc to drive they could benefit from it. Uber and Taxis too.

    The biggest hurdle for ownership is we predominately all access our vehicles at the same time, peak hour, school holidays, events. So this implies we have a fleet large enough to cover these periods but the vehicles will sit idle while we are at work, school, uni etc – bit like solar farms at night, wind farms on windless days….

    Furthermore, when we go on holidays we want a vehicles large enough to tow and carry the luggage, equipment and toys to the destination, so the BEV we need then are not the same BEV we need when you are single coming home from a party.

    Furthermore, whats the business plan for government to abandon fuel excise? They allowed 43% foreign investment into the VIC real estate market last year and the solution is a $5k fee on purchase – they really have no idea….

  • REPENTorBURN

    The real danger to America was not just a filthy muslim sodomite by the name of Obama alone, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a filthy sodomite like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a gay Obama presidency than to restore the necessary,commonsense ,Godliness and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a creature for their president or any democrat…

    The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr.gay muslim Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the gay fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. “The Republic can survive a gay Obama, who is, after all, merely a gay fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made this gay muslim creature their President.

  • TroyGale

    Just another shallow thinking author who apparently doesn’t understand that America, and may other places in the world are never to be serviced by subways, planes, etc. Hey knock yourselves out with this story because it is a bunch of hooey! Just more closed minded reasoning from people who lack worldly experience and knowledge.

  • MidAmerica2

    When it’s 20 below zero and snowing hard but I need to get to work or the doctor I don’t want to wait for some electric toy to show up….. if it even can.

    • Bobbie Irish

      Yeah! How about -40 below? Do they even work in those temperatures? Think not. Sure as heck don’t want to be stranded in some blizzard!

      • nickoury

        Is that F, C or both?

        • Dave

          Both, of course

          • nickoury

            Aw, you gave it away!

      • scott young

        But, with global warming there will be no more blizzards o -40 days…..lol

    • Jimbeau

      Electric-only vehicles CANNOT put out heat with any efficiency… the batteries die quickly. How many stories about Musk’s toys successfully being used in cold climes have you read?… It’s bull.

      • jtom

        Oh, but they’ll have solar panels on the roof of the vehicle! Just gotta keep brushing the snow off of them…and wait until dawn…and pray for sun.

        • Duocore2

          Hook up a pin wheel and blow real hard.

        • squirefld

          Solar panels can’t have any dust, dirt or bird poop on them either. You have to clean them off or lose power production.

        • Calamity_Jean

          Put wipers, like windshield wipers, on the roof. Clean the roof once and use the wipers to stay clean.

      • Willis Gray

        You can have my Tundra when you pry it from my cold dead fingers

    • fcabanski

      Yes, but you could get an electric toy in which some moron took a poop.

  • Chance Boudreaux

    Horse crap. Individualists will still own cars. Especially if the “Elite” continue to flood America with foreigners that reduce social trust for mass transit. Catch a bus in Detroit and get back to me.

    • Grand2833

      Thank you, excellent point.

    • TAG

      Or dare to ride MARTA in the ATL

      • happy1ga

        I’d rather have bareback copulation with Lena Dunham.

      • Mina

        I had two old vehicles up until I had to sell the sedan. It was untrustworthy to start. Now the truck is regularly stalling. I cannot even drive it on back streets for that reason. Must sell and save for a newer one that is reliable. Meanwhile I have become well familiar with MARTA, train and busses. I’m down to walking and sometimes pulling a 4 wheel wagon with the cooler and bungee cords. (Name isn’t Mina, btw.) Taking public transportation sucks. Hardly a restroom in sight. Long waits at street stops without seating. And I’m getting well up there in age. Feel like a regular bum wearing my sneakers down to where the soles are going to be flapping soon. Autos are expensive! I have not had to make a car payment in 33 years.

  • John (magnum)
    • NorwayviaOkinawa

      Solar has proven to be a total failure. Hello solyndra. This is all Democrat Commie bull being fed so you all will permit their continued theft and corruption. Where the eff is my jet pack!?!

      • Dazeez5555

        Agree. Electric cars subsidized by sales to government agencies, Tesla subsidized by US tax payers. These companies cannot survive on their own.

        • Garys_opinion

          As long as gasoline prices are low, and you don’t need them for anything but local driving.
          Hydrogen cars are the way to go, the exhaust is water. Hydrogen can be difficult to store because the molecule is so small that it’s hard to contain, there is also a big danger of explosion when mixed with oxygen.

          • Pumpkin King XXIII

            If electric become more and more popular than the demand for oil would decrease, that would drive the cost of gas down more causing a larger shift back to gas.
            Simple economics

          • bstoff

            Yes, but there will be a large cost for infrastructure change. It will be gradual as the market allows, just like oil-based fuels did.

          • Pat Patterson

            Hydrogen technology is a farce, maybe a hundred years.

        • terry rense

          Tesla received loans which they payed back in full with interest.

          • JerryP

            Tesla is indirectly subsidized by tax credits for buyers of electric vehicles. See IRS form 8936.

          • terry rense

            That credit has been around before Tesla was even formed. And if you get a Tesla 3 you most likely won’t get that tax credit.

          • Duocore2

            Ahhh….ya like the average working American can afford a Tesla.

          • terry rense

            The Model 3 is 35k. That’s about what the average Chevy sells for these days. All cars have gotten insanely expensive.

          • squirefld

            Did they pay back all of the subsidized tax money they got? That’s what they used to pay back their loans. Sounds like a ponzi scheme.

          • terry rense

            Did Exxon? Our AT&T? The tax money Tesla has received is pennies on the dollar compared to many household company names.

          • squirefld

            If your talking about Generally Accepted Accounting Principals, you are totally ignorant. Every company in the United States including Hershey Chocolate and the entire gun manufacturing industry gets depreciation and all legal write offs. Even people like you can write off mortgage interest. But Tesla has gotten 4.9 billion, in subsidies (real money) and he paid off a 465 million loan. He made a $4,465,000,000.00 profit from taxpayers.

          • Calamity_Jean

            And early!

      • Frank

        This is some red pill blue pill the whole universe is a virtual reality program Matrix nonsense. Public transportation is already a nightmare and ANYTHING the government subsidizes is an effort to oppress the prosperity of taxpayers wheter healthcare, auto and airline and business regulations forcing rates to be jacked up to comply or the gubmint printing press student loan monopoly ponzi scheme diluting the rarity and quality of any degree and making them more useless cause they graduate practically any student they indebt. We have a guvmint transportation subsidized boondoggle that would be bankrupt if not for the printing press just like the post office and already costing taxpayers aho knows how much to prop it up – its called AmTrak!

        • bstoff

          You’re right except the part about the Post Office. It is supported entirely by sales of postage. There is no tax support for Postal services.

      • fcabanski

        Originally, the idea was to have electric cars. Electric and steam powered cars were first. Then the internal combustion engine revolutionized the industry.

        Since combustion engines became popular, Progressives have been looking for ways to taking us back to government controlled transportation in impractical, inefficient vehicles.

      • bstoff

        I hope solar energy can eventually become efficient and affordable, it seems like where our future should be. But the government will make it useless if it controls it. Free energy belongs to individual people, not as a public, government-controlled monopoly.

    • glamdeluxe

      Sowell is great!

    • juanjeremy2012

      ITS NOT JUST LEFTISTS. THE LEFT -RIGHT THING IS A FACADE CREATED BY THE GLOBALISTS TO DISTRACT FROM THE REAL CONFLLICT WHICH IS BETWEEN THE 1%ERS (THE GLOBALISTS) AND THE 99%. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY OUR CARS, OUR PRIVACY AND OUR ABILITY TO SHOP ANYWHERE BUT AMAZON IN ORDER TO CONTROL US. EVERYONE SHOULD STOP USING AMAZON AND UBER AND START TELLING THE GLOBALISTS TO SHOVE IT SO WE CAN HAVE SOME FREEDOM.

      • bstoff

        Not really the 1%-ers as much as the .01%-ers. They are the ones to worry about, but you will never see or hear anything about them in the public. They are all above people like Soros, who is really a puppet for them.

        • juanjeremy2012

          yes ur right it ismaybe even .001% ers–the real luciferian pschopaths like bezos, the rockefellars, rothschilds etc…

  • Joseph Guidry

    If you support this you deserve to be a slave. I am going to make a bumper sticker, you want to take away my Mustang GT? You can pry it from my cold dead hands! There will be blood.

  • TonyMonterey

    People who live in Cities think they have everything figured out for the rest of us. I foresee these things vandalized and arriving with with “surprises” of all sorts of things people execrate from their body. Utopia meets the Idiocracy.

    • mcc99

      Yeah. Practical solutions from urban settings frequently don’t translate to the needs of suburbanites or country folk. But urbanites often think they should or do for some strange reason.

      • Gilligan Jones

        …you don’t understand. They do not intend for there to be…”country folks”…as robotics will replace much of Big-Ag’s tasks and costs. It is much easier to program a robot to plant, tend and harvest a crop…than it is to employ a person…even if that person is illegally in the country.

    • Gilligan Jones

      ….the elites have developed Agenda 21, Agenda 35 and Agenda 50 with this exact vision in mind. Eliminate huge swaths of the population…(5-6 billion)… and then stack the rest of the economic slaves on top of each other in technologically -controlled cities…where their every move can be traced and tracked.

      • Nick

        You need to see a doctor.

        • PoliSike

          More hate from Nick.

        • Gilligan Jones

          …you need to educate yourself…or continue to cash those checks you get from the NWO for being a treasonous-troll. Oh, and as a 25 year veteran executive with US DoD…and the retired winner of a twenty-year Federal Whistle Blowing Case against DoD…I think I know much more about the corrupt actions of your government. You sound like an uninformed idiot.

    • Nick

      That’s where most people live, dumbass. If this is what city-dwellers do in 2030, then the headline will have been true.

      • PoliSike

        Again, Nick, why is your heart filled with so much hate?

      • bstoff

        That’s where all of your “friends” live. The cities are full of consumers and “useless eaters” like yourself. You belong there. Enjoy your utopian dream. Look up utopia in the dictionary. It might open your eyes.

  • x32792

    When you factor in all the related expenses of buying and owning a car, they ain’t cheap and have very little residual value.

    • yarpos .

      For the utility and convenience provided they are cheap actually, unless you choose to continually buy new ego stroking models and fund the depreciation for everyone else.

  • John B. French

    LOL yeah right…Anyone who thinks this will be the case in 13 years is loony..

    • Grand2833

      Absolutely true, such ridiculous nonsense is more than just unbelievable, it’s loony.

      • Ellis

        “Naaaaaayy” thats what the said about horses and steam shovels.

        • TroyGale

          We still have horses don’t we?

          • KevTuck

            They shoot horses, don’t they?

          • J Michael

            Depends on their age.

          • Dumpster

            Did they shoot all of them? No. We still have horses.

          • TroyGale

            One of the worst movies of all time.
            Shame on you…

          • glamdeluxe

            Only Hanoi Jane.

          • david333

            * What can be more palpably absurd than the prospect held out of locomotives traveling twice as fast as stagecoaches?
            * The Quarterly Review, March, 1825
            * That the automobile has practically reached the limit of its development is suggested by the fact that during the past year no improvements of a radical nature have been introduced.
            * Scientific American, January 2, 1909.

            * With over fifteen types of foreign cars already on sale here, the Japanese auto industry isn’t likely to carve out a big share of the market for itself
            * Businessweek, August 2, 1968.

          • fcabanski

            You’re missing something. Autonomous cars are a step backwards, not a step forward. They’re a step back to group, rather than individual, travel. Cars give people freedom to go when they want. They brought travel to the individuals. Now you want to take travel away from each person, put it in control of central planners.

            Cars became popular because of the individual freedom they afforded.

          • Nick

            They autonomous cars still take you wherever you want to go, you paranoid drudgetard.

          • PA-1

            Not if I have to wait for it.

          • PA-1

            Sometimes I don’t know where I want to go. I just want to..go,

          • phantasm

            At what cost? It will cost a lot more when Travel is a service. My car costs me a total of 150 a month for gas and about 25 a month for maintenance. It’s paid off so I don’t have to make payments anymore. But if you want to throw it in, I’ve owned the car for 10 years and it cost 20K so say about 165 a month. If you can guarantee me that I will pay less than 350 a month to go where I want, when I want for that cost or cheaper, then I’ll buy into it. Otherwise, no way in hell.

          • Burnt Orange

            Maybe families will own ONE auto for personal travel and utilize the new method for errands, travel to work and taking kids to school No need for two or three autos per family. The whole thing might be a compromise with integration of differing methods of travel. It might NOT be an either/or situation.

            That is until the government gets involved then the rules and orders start coming from Washington. Each nation will approach this thing with differing approaches depending on their cultures and economic situation.

          • PoliSike

            So much hatred. Why are you filled with so much hatred?

          • shannon henderson

            Because he’s a lefty. They are all filled with hatred. That is how they live. Drama queens.

          • Robert Bonaiuto

            I can’t wait for your auto car to get hacked and driven off a cliff. While it’s falling you’ll scream, ” I wish I had a chevy……ahhhhhhh”

          • Taluca Lake

            Wow. You’re really a sad person. You fail to consider the role of government in all of this.

          • Casey Kowalchyk

            Except when they drive you straight to the police station for whatever thought crimes are on the menu in 2030. Paranoid? People were called paranoid once for suggesting that intelligence agencies were using your computer and phone to spy on you. Today’s paranoiac is tomorrow’s prophet.

          • fcabanski

            They do? You don’t have to wait for them to arrive at your destination? They don’t refuse to take you to a bar, for example, if you have a warrant for drunken and disorderly conduct? They will never be regulated to restrict destinations for people?

          • shannon henderson

            You are right. You are absolutely right. And I’m SURE that list will go on and on. Hadn’t looked down that hole too much because I don’t have any intention of pursuing this.

          • bstoff

            Nick, your fantasy is just that. BTW, you forgot to type in ALL CAPS to serve as a warning to others.

          • shannon henderson

            You are now officially an idiot. 2 of your comments you are judging and mocking those that read drudge. Do you have anything else in that brain of yours or do you just try to put people down? Well, I guess that makes you a typical Lefty. Nothing to say so you make fun of people. You RACIST, HOMOPHOBIC, TRANSPHOBIC, BIGOT, SEXIST pig! Sorry sweet pea but EVERYTHING in life is a slippery slope. If it wasn’t then Newton’s 1st law of motion would be incorrect.

          • Billygoattincan

            The government won’t let you rent or ride in an autonomous until there are 6 of you going to the same destination. From there, you walk.

          • Evil Otto

            Mmm, that’s some good hatred. Delicious.

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            Yes.

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            It is pretty damning.

            The pages from the journal are absolutely disgusting.

          • Shep😈✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Spoke with my son. It was the fence panel. He has already fixed it.

          • MovinToCanada

            * Americans will never be so pathetic as to choose dependency and limitation over freedom of travel

            I see your point

          • joesockit

            Look in the mirror, You are your parents. Self driving cars are the norm in the future. It will start in cities because there it makes sense. Where I see the risk is anything that upsets the grid now takes down even more infrastructure. An emp that takes out some GPS Satellites now wipes out all transportation, not just a few cars in a certain area. Battery range will also be an issue.

          • TAG

            I could get you one…

          • TroyGale

            I have some thanks!

          • Rusty Longwood

            Not many horses. Just a sliver of what we used to have. And most of those are kept for fun and sport. Just like we’ll have with cars.

          • TroyGale

            Don’t bet on it, not all of us live in cities.

          • BigDaddyJim

            Guess you’ll be part of the 40% they say will still own cars.

          • TroyGale

            More than 40%. People are becoming tired of living in the cesspools called major cities. That is being documented each year as those who can flee them.

          • Gilligan Jones

            ..I live in an area with hundreds of horses…a couple across the fence, five or six across the street…and barns or fields filled with them as I drive down the road a couple of miles from my home. And I live in Northern California…I’m sure there are many more in Texas, Oklahoma…etc…..

          • Burnt Orange

            Can you saddle one or put a bridal on a horse? They are NOT a part of everyday life. Autos might wind up the same — a curiosity or a collectors item.

          • Casey Kowalchyk

            I bridled a bit when I read this.

          • R_Swift

            BO is attempting to saddle us with government control, I for one demand he put a halter to this.

          • TroyGale

            Yes, I grew up with horses and mules in rural Pennsylvania. I have room for them on my place today, but don’t need the expense of keeping them. But I do know how to saddle and bridle a horse, and ride one too.
            And the Amish would disagree that the horse isn’t a part of everyday life. I see them every time I take a trip to Springfield, MO. Either with the family wagon, or working their fields.

          • Burnt Orange

            In case you did not GET IT I was referring to the average person. At one time most individuals could deal with taking care of a horse. Now not so much.

            Driving might go the way of the horse and buggy. And yes I know a very small percentage of people still utilize horses and buggies.
            A rhetorical question often does not seek an answer but is used as a way to illustrate a larger truth.
            The Amish are not even one half of one percent of the population of the USA.

          • TroyGale

            It isn’t rocket science, the average person has seen a movie with horses. It doesn’t take a College education to figure it out. Since there are millions of horses still in the U.S., there is enough folks to teach the helpless how to saddle and bridle them. The horse, nor the private vehicle won’t be vanishing anytime soon.

          • Burnt Orange

            Not sure the story said they would be vanishing but miles driven by drivers would be reduced by 90%. Headline overhypes story.
            My guess is individuals will probably own one auto for personal use while utilizing driverless services for some everyday trips around town and kids to school. No need for families with two or three autos. i agree that the private auto will not be going anyplace anytime soon. But changes are coming.

        • Neighbor2u

          Individuals owned horses and now individuals own cars.

          • zoomwhat

            And individuals now own cars, horses, and trucks and trailers to haul them.

          • ohiograndma

            My imagination is running wild. If the government mandated no private cars, I’m certain some other form of independent transportation would develop. Like… horses.

          • Leone

            I foresee us mandating the end of any government that outlaws private ownership of cars and trucks…We’ll restart this Republic from scratch first, my dear.

          • Mina

            got that right

          • soononbluray

            If? How can you even think like that? The government would never mandate no private cars. There would be a violent overthrow.

          • Taluca Lake

            Check out the cities that have “no car” zones. They effectively limit ownership. But fear not. As long as the UAW is contributing to democrats, there will be cars.

          • BigDaddyJim

            Public transportation and even corporate owned transportation services gives the government much more information on peoples movement and the ability to limit it when they choose.

          • Mina

            That is why their prediction won’t come true.

          • fcabanski

            That’s what people are missing. Cars give travel to the individuals. This self driving car concept takes control of travel away from individuals. It puts corporations and ultimately the government in more control of when and where people travel.

          • Nick

            The cars still take you where you want to go, tho. Better wrap another layer of aluminum foil around your head.

          • PoliSike

            Again, you can’t express yourself without the hate. Why all the hatred?

          • Taluca Lake

            He’s posting as part of his junior high civics class

          • bstoff

            “Civics class “. In public schools? No way.

          • Taluca Lake

            How silly of me!

          • Casey Kowalchyk

            The Interurbans took everyone where they wanted to go, were electric, and inexpensive to run and maintain. Where are they all now?

          • bstoff

            They went out of business because they were unpopular, inefficient and communities didn’t want to subsidize them anymore. I like the idea of public transport to avoid congestion and save energy, voluntary use would be nice to have, but this pseudo-mandatory things is not going to work for Americans who value freedom of movement. Reminds me of “Little Red Barchetta” by Rush.

          • Casey Kowalchyk

            Inefficient? Unpopular? Wrong on both counts.

            http://www.streetcarcon.com/the-book/

          • fcabanski

            How do you know there will be no regulation on where cars take certain people?

          • bstoff

            DUDE! TYPE IN ALL CAPS SO WE KNOW YOU ARE MAKING A HATEFUL SCREED! HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW NOT TO READ YOUR COMMENT????

          • cosmicwxdude

            WRONG!

          • GreyGeek77

            And the next thing you know those corporations will be dictating where you can and can’t go, just like some do now with what you want to write in talk back columns. “First do no evil” morphs into “It’s our way or the highway”.

          • bstoff

            Yep. Remember when you became old enough to drive? The sense of freedom was overwhelming. Nick wants to put a stop to that. Down with Nick!

          • Nick

            Your cell phone always tracks everywhere you go, you paranoid dumbass drudgetard.

          • PoliSike

            So full of hate.

          • GreyGeek77

            Not if you take the battery out, or put it in a type of Faraday Cage.

          • bstoff

            You mean YOUR cellphone does. We don’t all imprison ourselves voluntarily the way you do. You should stop the ad-hominem attacks if you want to be allowed to continue posting comments, Nick. An automated system of transport will not only track you, it will also move you wherever it wants you to be, regardless of your wishes. Something to think about, huh? Think about that while you take your Ritalin.

          • Evil Otto

            Your anger is hilarious.

          • cosmicwxdude

            Must be pleasant being around you. But I am glad I am not.

          • Rasheed White

            Uber and left will lobby to have it banned.

          • Burnt Orange

            What about the entire freight industry. Trucks will still do the hauling.

          • Ellis

            I would rather the 300 horsepower i have now.

        • Quick Rick

          Guess what? In 13 years we will still have horses, and we will still have cars.

          • squirefld

            They will still be big gas guzzlers.

        • TL

          I think the intent is to go back using horses. No wait, that would be infringing on their rights….

        • GreyGeek77

          When I was a kid those promoting nuclear energy were claiming that it would be so safe and cheap it would probably end up being given away as a social benefit.

          It seems that snake oil salesmen are still in business.

          • Casey Kowalchyk

            “Nuclear-powered vacuum cleaners will probably be a reality within ten years.”

            – Alex Lewyt, president of Lewyt vacuum company, 1955

          • bstoff

            Communist utopias have been all the rage for more than 100 years. It never stops. Antifa is trying to accelerate the process. Right Nick?

        • dean

          The difference is that the car was a revolutionary step in transportation that the people wanted. I do a good enough job driving myself. I have been driving for 25 years and I have no accidents or tickets. I need a self driving car as much as I need a toilet that wipes my butt for me. I am not lazy. I can do easy tasks myself. Driving is easy for me. I think there are lots of people out there who can handle the task of driving themselves.

      • Buzz Kill

        It’s Un-American, If I feel like taking a cruise at 2:00am I damn sure wil and I don’t need too log in and ask for a ride(permission).

        • rentslave

          I can’t do that.One of Obama’s Dreamers will steal my parking space.

          • Boardman

            There will be no more parking. All the cool kids will just have their cars drive up and down the hills of San Fran 24/7 and jump in when they need to. No need for parking. We are doomed.

          • diggferkel

            I’ll be back to riding horses. Let those city slickers beg for rides.

          • crazydog606

            Unless they make “horsepower” illegal lol sarc

          • SavageGulf

            There will be a high methane tax on horses.

          • obamistake

            Then the liberals will be crying about all the “Equine warming”.

          • disqus_at95K9bcZs

            Liberals are just crybabies. They are essentially negative people.

          • Chuck Roost

            Liberals are losers and academicians who believe they know better than you do how to completely run your life. The losers want what you have and the academicians want to plan your future. Califruita is almost a one-party state right now.

          • John Karpiscak

            I say let the secede. It’ll cut down tremendously on the demoncrat vote. First, we’ll allow the patriots to leave, then build the wall on our side so the loonies can’t get over here without visas.

          • wombat_7777

            Yep…put a big chain meash fence around it and let it consume itself…good riddance….

          • El_Tigre_Loco

            1984 predicted that governments will continually find things to panic their citizens with so they keep control. “We will fix it.”

          • PickyWizard

            They will NEVER be happy and they don’t want you to be either.

          • chris

            Yep, have to put a fart meter on them to regulate methane.

          • Stev

            CA is already attempting this with cows

          • wombat_7777

            when was the last time any liberal actually made any sense?

          • mycrossroads

            Not in my world

          • Monty Simmons

            NO, the government will call that animal abuse and fine you for riding an animal, including horses.

          • Marion Mitchell Morrison

            That is not really a joke. The extreme animal rights groups want to outlaw pets, too.

          • Chuck Roost

            Communist China is giving all of its 1.5 billion citizens a “good citizenship rating” between 1 and 100. The entire world government will soon do this. If you score below let’s say a 10, off to the work camps with you!

          • Loosie Goosie

            Actually, getting rid of cars we control is a commie/globalist/control freak’s wet dream. What better way to strip away our individuality and freedom than to control where we go and how we get there? Why do you think these leftist tech giants are pushing it so hard?

          • La Billyboy

            Amen… it will never happen except in the Democratic run cities.

          • Snowflake Safe Zone

            Can’t happen. They would be getting carjacked all the time.

          • Spoofy McSpoof

            Kind of hard to car jack something without a steering wheel.

          • Scott Allen

            you could make it stop moving by placing 3 boxes around the car, which would fool the sensors into thinking they were solid objects.

          • Spoofy McSpoof

            Yeah but then what are you going to do with it, get a crane and load it on a flatbed?

          • Scott Allen

            you don’t think that kids will catch on, really fast to this “prank”.
            You don’t have to steal the car to disrupt the service.
            or how about spray painting the cameras/sensors.
            Spraying the sensors is already happening now on car with low tech sensors.
            You also have to keep the sensors clean from dirt.

          • wombat_7777

            Bit hard to drive a vehicle if its GPS sensors are covered in alu foil….

          • Snowflake Safe Zone

            They gave steering wheels.

          • White Privilege

            Brilliant!

          • Everett Sykes

            It also removes ones means of escape during a disastet or other reasons to evauate an ares.

          • Chris Drongers

            Hmmmm. I drove out of Hilton Head in the evacuation before the cyclone. Thousands of cars going inland at 2miles an hour. Put us on buses and reduce the congestion to 1/40 of what happened there and increase number of persons that could be evacuated by same

          • Loachdriner

            Yep. In 2013 a forest fire swept through Black Forest, Colorado destroying 488 houses, including mine (I’ve since rebuilt w/ a smaller house but w/ a larger garage–after all, I own the land & the water rights to my well).

            As far as I know, not a single church of the 8 or ten here was touched by the fire.

            That was no time to sit awaiting a share ride. Especially for one such as I, since wounded-in-action in Viet-Nam 47 years ago, wounds that left me w/ a paralyzed leg as well as a paralyzed arm

          • PickyWizard

            Exactly! Freedom of mobility (for Americans) is a huge obstacle to the globalists’ scheme.

          • mrunpc

            Yup!

          • Terrence Jeffrey Johnson

            We have guns, too

          • John

            There actually was a movie about this back in the 80’s called The Last Chase.

            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082642/

          • PinBlog

            Up on Mystery Science Theater on YouTube at:
            https://youtu.be/ZWPspYjPi3c

          • mrunpc

            Correction: “commie/globalist/LIBERAL/DEMOCRAT control freak’s wet dream”.

          • REALIST

            They will know, 24/7 where you have been, where you are, and where you are going….and they can record you on video while IN the State Car…..and see if you have any religious information, banned political literature, a gun GOD FORBID, etc.

          • wombat_7777

            Any software can be hacked….

          • Devine gaurdian of light

            It’s called the social credit system. And when it happens here they’ll be able to limit your caloric intake.

          • wombat_7777

            They can eat my shorts….

          • vilonia

            F*ing vegans.

          • Snowflake Safe Zone

            PETA has actually broken into labs, stolen rabbits and set them free. However, they all died.

          • mrunpc

            I hope the ones that “all died” were the PETA animals.

          • LazarusRose

            Who died? PETA or the rabbits? Don’t leave us hanging man.

          • LazarusRose

            I found one advocating no more meat or killing of any animal. A vegan site. But they still advocate killing babies before they’re born. How did those demons get out of hell?

          • Mr. Creosote

            How did those demons get out of hell?
            .
            They probably stole an electric car.

          • mycrossroads

            They will be going back one of these days forever. When our Lord returns

          • John Karpiscak

            They were given dominion over the Earth for a time when they were cast down out of Heaven when they rebelled against God, lead by Satan/Lucifer.

          • REALIST

            Babies have no rights. Animals have Privilege

          • LazarusRose

            Wow, that puts it in plain words. I was going to object but that sadly, is the truth.

          • Greg Hudson

            I guess it depends if they eat the babies instead of the animals. Fetuses are, after all just another protein source right ?

          • LazarusRose

            AS much as you are, I guess.

          • Loachdriner

            Some of these idiots still don’t realize that there once was a time when there were no grocery stores & that the difference between a hunter eating what he has killed & someone buying lamb chops or hamburger in a grocery is the store customer has someone else kill the animal whose body parts he’s going to eat.

            For the dingbats who are vegetarians, have at it, if you wish.

          • Dan Neuenswander

            I’d like to outlaw free range cats, they $hit all over the neighborhood and pi$$ on cars.

          • mycrossroads

            Sell hunting licenses

          • LazarusRose

            But they’re tasty…but be sure to skin them first. Old Chinese recipe.

          • wombat_7777

            Yeah and they can eat my shorts, if they try that prank….
            Meet my friend…mr smith & mr wess……

          • Patrick Burton

            They will also tax him for the biohazard the horse leaves behind.

          • alex carter

            I’ve lived in a rural area south of “silicon valley” and often there was as much horse traffic as car traffic. If you’re living on maybe $1500 a year, you might have a horse no problem but can’t afford the gas and insurance for a car.

          • Mary Vollmer

            How do you figure? I can afford to buy a horse, but I can’t afford to keep one.

          • FightingEagle

            Kind of like a Ferrari.

          • disqus_at95K9bcZs

            Like there is no cost to owning a horse? City folks!!

          • llewellynh

            There will be a cost to any form of transportation and the driverless cars will come in the form of a head tax and a usage tax as well.

          • La Billyboy

            You are right the Democrat party will find a way to tax anything that moves… or doesn’t…

          • OPDave

            And the allegation that driverless vehicles will have fewer accidents is totally bogus!! Driverless vehicles will hit children running into the road, will line up like lemmings to fall into any open hole in the road, and will ignore utility barriers and police lines. The downfall of driverless vehicles will be their failure to instantly adapt to real-world conditions.

            Envision a Microsoft-guided car waiting for the Patch Tuesday update…or suddenly crashing when hit by a “turn left” virus!!

          • Joe Wilson

            Calm down wild man. Computers scan the road thousands of times a second, they stop much quicker then a human can even start to react. 99.9999 percent of all accidents are HUMAN fault, not mechanical. Stop this silly panic over what is going to happen.

          • INFW

            Joe Wilson you are a racist against HUMANS. Or do you have stock in driverless cars? Obviously you haven’t seen the reports of the driverless cars that have been in accidents and have difficulty with REAL cars? Or how about the reports of the technology in cars that have just TAKEN OVER the steering when a HUMAN was in it and forced a crash. Have you bothered to look?

          • So the larger your family the more it will cost to take them somewhere.

            We will eliminate all economies of scale.

          • johnparker237

            Yeah really… like the Oatmeal said 🙂

            theoatmeal.com/story/eat_horses

          • La Billyboy

            My vet bills and food bills, not to mention the value of my time spent caring for my 2 horses was a lot more than for my 2 cars.

          • Chuck Roost

            Horse fuel costs far more than gasoline.

          • Stephen A. Weiss

            Mr. Roost,

            So? What price is too high for individual freedom to you?

          • John Karpiscak

            And it’s costs are constant, whether you use them or not.

          • Heartland Patriot

            The “cool kids” can pucker up and plant a big kiss right on America’s backside. You really think that Americans out in “the heartland” are going to give up their automobiles, especially pickup trucks and SUVs?

          • La Billyboy

            Oh come on, of course the egg shaped electric capsule will be able to take you out to the back 40 to mend a fence… Up to the ski slopes in the winter… load all your stuff in it and go cross country for 1500 miles for a vacation… yeah right.

          • Mike Betts

            You forgot about using the egg-car to tow your boat to the lake.

          • PickyWizard

            There will be no recreational boating once the lefty globalists get their way, don’t you know this?

          • Joe Wilson

            Well, yes they will. What this generation panics about the next will embrace happily. Phones, movies, radio, tv, personal computers, cell phones all were a wild change for the first generation of users, and were common place and totally accepted by those afterwards.

          • Chuck Roost

            Government will own all electric vehicles. You will be charged per mile and watched.

          • La Billyboy

            Somehow I just don’t see electric cars owned by some big gov’t controlled conglomerate ever working for the vast rural areas of the nation. This is just a big city fantasy for Democrat Socialists to control every facet of your life.

          • INFW

            vast rural areas???? Agenda 21 maps LOOK AT THEM. They are going to use “sustainable development” as NO GO ZONES for HUMANS. Look up the maps NOW! Why do you think they use GMO foods, globalists don’t eat them. Why do you think they put fluoride (neuro toxin) in water, why do you think they give mercury ladden vaccinations? Why do you think they have GEOENGINEERING spraying of our atmosphere going on? Search…What in the world are they spraying. Why do you think they ban comment sections on some articles? I’ll tell you. Because people are learning the TRUTH from comment sections and research for themselves.

          • Everett Sykes

            One is only doomed when they surrender their free will or their means of self defense like say oooh Australia.

          • INFW

            How about Venezuella? They are eating zoo animals. Look it up.

          • Greg Hudson

            Tell me what the the % of deaths by gun per capita in Australia compared to USA? The answer is here:
            http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime

          • Terrence Jeffrey Johnson

            By 2030 San Fransicko will be on trhe bottom of the bay after the Heaven-sent 10.9 “Big One”:

          • Tim Allgood

            be thankful its the space and not the car.

          • R_Swift

            You have a parking space, luxury……..

          • Abe hakim

            Same here

          • XUSAMABO

            If he hasn’t already stolen your car.

        • bobdog19006

          Oh, my Heavenly Daze. Could this be the end of the world as we know it? Why, oh, why, didn’t we LISTEN!

          it’s all so very confusing. I can’t decide whether we’re all going to be freezing to death in caves by 2030, or whether the sky is going to catch fire in 10…

          9….

          8….

          Somebody get my smelling salts! I think I’m about to swoon.

          • Thelma Mayflower

            lol!

          • 9eyedeel

            little ice age in 2029

          • John C

            “That’s great it starts with an Earthquake……” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsxavPANO8s

          • INFW

            Call Al Gore. He has some carbon credits for you to buy to line his big fat globalist pockets. Remember polar bears were going to be extict by 2007. First it was global cooling, then global warming, now its…..CLIMATE CHANGE. So who is predicting the end of the world here? Better get your carbon credits to support the globalist private jets and multiple 15 bedroom mansions in other countries while they want us living in “tiny houses” and living in “smart cities” and govt regulated driving. P.S. Polar bear numbers are increasing more than ever before and they are NOT drowning.

        • Nick

          Buzz kill, you don’t get it. The point of the article and is that the economics of autonomous cars will be such that people will choose not to own one. If you want to pay hundreds of dollars per month in leases, loans, fuel, registration, maintenance, insurance, etc so you can drive around at 2am by yourself, fine. That will just be how you choose to spend your money. Other people will likely prefer to avoid those expenses and buy other things. Christ, everything has to be spelled out for you Drudge drunk morons who only see one paranoid aspect of a situation and issue loud, uncompromising opinions.

          • paganpink

            Ride the Unicorns liberals always believe in, then! After a trillion dollars of tax payers hard earned money spent to pay people to drive them we still don’t even have 1% of sales going to electric vehicles!? Because the market doesn’t want them- regardless of you big government folks spending a Kings ransom to subsidize them with idiotic social experiments that fly in the face of common sense. Like, what fuel is used to generate electricity, and how is that better then the energy dense gasoline and its distribution network. Wake up! Geez. Read a book sometime will ya?!

          • PoliSike

            Nick, why do you express yourself so hatefully? Put aside the hatred.

          • Scott Furley

            nick is a fool. he will not step foot in one of these public bathrooms/drunk tank/automated fleet cars if they were to be available. you would be sitting in needles and fluids of all types and pet hairs of all types. people own their own cars and homes for a reason in capitalistic society.

          • Matterak

            This will only apply to huge cities not the majority of states in fly-over America, you know, where people aren’t sheep and this crap doesn’t work for any of us. Kind of like how Uber, etc operates now.

            As someone who lives in multiple northern states, these stories make me laugh. They never work in Alaska or anywhere else where it very cold and lots of snow. You need a very dependable vehicle with power to get through the snow.

            Also, most people want to be independent in the fly-over states, not dependent on some autonomous ride system. People in the huge cities are fine with being told what they can and can’t do. That much is obvious.

          • INFW

            Have you ever heard of taxes? They will raise them to force people INTO the cities. Its called Agenda 21 and Agenda 30. Uber is the stepping stone to “condition” people into NOT driving. The overton window. They will TAX us out of our cars and ins. companies will raise rates so it is no longer affordable. Wake up wake up!!!!

          • tony tyler

            that is exactly what is going on too. an easier way to control us and kill us off when they so choose..

          • Chris Drongers

            No agenda or world government at all. The cities are where the $$$$ in business and employment are. And the money buys nightlife, varied food and entertainment, and services like old folks homes and supermarkets. That is why peeps are moving to cities. Or u can listen to the crickets.

          • Moving to the cities? Not exactly. Moving out is what they are doing. Look at the Villages in Florida. Wish they would stay in the cities.

          • metusky

            You are quite wrong on your assessment that people are moving to cities. The opposite is the case. Do some research.

          • Bunky

            Hey, welcome to Detroit!
            Ha, ha, ha, ha,

          • Daniel Morgan

            Last i heard “Peeps” are fleeing cities at record rates. Big cities may be great if you are young, single, and a player but they are no place for someone with a real life.

          • Willnot B. Silenced

            For my money, I wish they would fence of the cities and keep the “peeps” in. They bring too many diseases… not to mention fleas, head lice, crabs, and progressivism…. with them.

          • Ergo

            at least there is a cure for fleas.

          • enviroknight

            I rather listen to crickets than horns, gunfire, screams and sirens…you can keep it!!!

          • Guest

            It’s also where fluoridated water is, smog, high EMFs, blaring sirens 24/7, some of the worst K-12 PUBLIC schools are, and most have high gun-control a high percentage of mentally retarded people (per capita of course)

          • PCnoMore

            I will take the chirping of crickets over the sardine can and group think mentality of city living any day.

          • Stev

            I like the sound of crickets at night and love my space. I will be retired by then and do not live in a big city now. I hate hate hate it when I have to drive to LA now

          • INFW

            Have you bothered to research Agenda 21 and Agenda 30? No world gov’t???? Wow go to sleep go to sleep or should I say…..stay asleep little sheep. Take your shots, drink the fluoride, eat GMO foods because the govt will take very good care of you. Just like they do in Venezuela. Look up Georgia Guidestones. Live in your Agenda 21 “tiny house.”

          • Chris Drongers

            Hmmm – I read the science, I use fluoridated water; do your property rights prevent me (deny me my right) to live in a ‘tiny house’ if I don’t like cleaning/heating/cooling/building a big one?; can I not have a garage and use the space for a living room instead?; should I be able to buy a fuel efficient car from Europe if I don’t want to pay for gas or an rooftop solar system from China if I don’t want to pay Duke Energy? There are the benefits of internationalism

          • INFW

            Fluoride is a neurotoxin (brain toxin) Scientist can be bought and paid for to fit their narrative and agenda. No problem if people want to live in “tiny homes” just be aware of the fact that there is social engineering going on.

          • Chris Drongers

            Fluoride is common many water sources – where it is in very low concentration people have bad teeth (also where it is very high concentration) ; in the middle teeth have fewer holes and this concentration is where fluoridation is aimed. Excessive fluoride can come from power station ash dumps (Duke, you cleaned up yet), aluminium smelters (along with oxalate, thorium, radium, ytterium, etc). Cars belch carbon particles, NOx, hydrocarbons, crash into each other and inanimate objects, consume huge chunks of tax money for roads to park on, better to reduce their number, like cats.

          • INFW

            Go ahead give up your car just don’t force your ignorance on others. P.S. Cars give off carbon MONOXIDE not DIOXIDE. Plants need carbon dioxide to survive. We give off dioxide. Are they getting rid of people next. Oh yeah I forgot, they already are with the GMO foods, FLUORIDE in the water and geoengineering chemtrails. P.S. read “The Fluoride Deception” there are good (natural fluorides) and bad TOXIC waste from phosphate companies who once had to PAY to get rid of the TOXIC waste. Read your toothpaste tube. Contact your poison control center immediately if swallowed. Are you awake yet? Or are you a Soros paid troll or a Soros computer robot (bot)?

          • Chris Drongers

            usa is about to find out how much retreating behind national trade and diplomatic barriers is going to cost – fewer cheap goods from Asia (will US drop workers pay to match), but more less influence in trade and security negotiations, less support for military actions abroad, more visa requirements to travel, brain drain to India/Europe/China/Nigeria followed by the companies that grow from the brains, banking limits, carbon tariff penalties. When the frack gas and oil run down usa will have to catch up on rest of world’s renewables quickly and expensively or go back to living under clouds of pollutants from coal. Demanding that a nation make all its own stuff held India back for 50 years, it will do the same in USA

          • Rona ✓

            Exactly

          • Guest

            When did Agenda 30 come out?!?!?!
            I know about Agenda 21–scary, un-American shit.

          • INFW

            I think last year at Bilderberg meeting. Notice 2030 the year of driverless cars. Agenda 30 and “smart cities” they are already rolling out and brainwashing making it cool “to live in tiny houses.” Uber makes it cool to be ushered around in “driverless cars.” Enslavement pure and simple.

          • paulinpittsburgh

            They’ve been trying this for decades and it’s failed miserably. The vast majority of federally mandated “safety” and “environmental” standards on cars have nothing to do with safety or the environment. They’re hidden taxes in the price of a car the sole purpose of which has been to drive the cost of buying a car high enough to be out of the reach the average consumer.

            But look at the price of a full sized pickup truck or SUV and the position they hold in over all sales and it is clear their strategy isn’t working, just as $6-8 and higher gas taxes didn’t achieve their desired affect.

            People love their cars! American consumers have demonstrated time and time again owning a vehicle is a top priority and they will simply reallocate their money however they need to in order to have the vehicles they want, and it is other parts of the economy that get squeezed as a result of these ill-conceived myopic efforts.

          • John C

            It will lead to a revolt and when it’s over Liberalism/ socialism/ Communism will be banned forever and the left will have few survivors. I pray it never comes to that but history shows what happens when government becomes such a burden on the people.

          • dean

            Many of the younger Millennials are like sheep. They just care about their phones and driving is not important to them. They also tend to gravitate towards cities. So self driving cars will appeal to many of them. Those of us who like to drive and also understand that driving in bad conditions requires a certain skill that can’t be programed into a computer will not buy into this stuff. I trust my skill to drive in snow and on ice better than a programmer in Silicon Valley.

          • TexasMom2012

            Driving yourself means independence.

          • shannon henderson

            YOU GET IT!! I’m right there with you. FREEDOM. Love it.

          • Dragonborn

            It is all about freedom. The idea of sitting in a “used taxi” does not appeal to me at all. Gross. If Big Government decides they “need you” for any reason, they control the car. No thanks. Millennials will hopefully wake up. My friends’ kid & his friends have not driven until they turned 18 & decided they really did not want Mom or Dad driving them to the Senior Prom. I think those taxi services will be mainly city oriented but will not be popular in the suburbs & rural areas.Public transportation is gross. Imagine having to wait for a vehicle to lug your groceries for your family. Or needing a truck or SUV to hit up home depot for gardening supplies. No thanks.

          • Willnot B. Silenced

            Millenial Sheep…

            “If God didn’t want them sheared, he would not have made them sheep.” – Calvaera, as played by Eli Wallach- The Magnificent Seven, 1960

          • paulinpittsburgh

            Actually, surveys the companies pushing this technology have done so that only about 20% of the target demographics has any interest in these cars or services.

          • Not Chicken Little

            Please, sheep are way more independent and many are even more intelligent.

          • HR Puff N Stuff

            Exactly! Going 4×4 in the desert or enjoying the fun and thrill of mountainous drives in your own car may be what a lot of independent-minded drivers like to do in their spare time. The convenience of an autonomous vehicle service comes with a cost… privacy.

          • JesusIsGay

            You prob also go to church

          • aamericanovice

            Not necessarily. After all, Jesus may be Gay. -:)

          • Eurobaby

            I’m going to create s religiin to destroy people like you- oh wait – it’s already been done ( sigh)

          • llewellynh

            Part of the plan though is to have us all living in urban environments. Easier to control.

          • Burnt Orange

            This will not happen over night but over a generation or two. Cars did not replace horses over night. The transition will occur naturally. Like your grandchildren won’t bother to learn to drive.
            Young people will OT buy an auto for personal use.

            What percentage of teens can even change a flat tire? How many can saddle a horse? times change and things that everyone could do at one time are no longer considered important. Driving a personal vehicle might be one.

          • INFW

            Except of course….the global elite NWO controllers.
            We “small people” will have no freedom.

          • Turd Ferguson

            Kinda like they teach small children these days they they can choose their gender? Its sick.

          • Scott Furley

            cars did not replace horses overnight , and filthy little automated public buses covered in the debris of every passenger from earlier in the day will not replace cars overnight. understand?

          • Veritasortruth

            When it comes to public transportation in the SF Bay Area, you nailed it. BART and some of the other public transportation services are a cesspool of filth. The stations are a disgrace and now they are becoming dangerous as evidence by the recent string of attacks on passengers. And to top it off, they aren’t as affordable as people make them out to be. The biggest thing BART has going for it is a shortage of parking in many of the places you might want to go. Absent that, I’d never get on the damn thing.

          • Scott Furley

            Yes good call Veritas. San Francisco is one of the wealthiest, nicest areas of the United States. Yet the BART is very dirty and last week angry young gangland teens stormed on there and took everyones purses. so good luck in Giles Parkinson automatic fleet cars, they will be first dirtied and soiled, then commandeered or ambushed by people wanting to get purses and wallets. i think the future will be self owned cars like volvos and subarus with lots of doorlocks and autotheft devices. also ways to track your kid and track your vehicle.

          • bstoff

            We should all be riding around in flying cars by now, according to the movies, news and articles like this we’ve seen over the years.

          • Billygoattincan

            You’re off your rocker.

          • Burnt Orange

            So what do you think will happen? Maybe a flying car? Or do you believe we have reached the end of automobile development. No very rich people actually drive their own autos. Many dwellers in big cities don’t even learn to drive.
            Hillary has not driven in over 35 years. Not everyone is so enamored of operating an auto as you might think.

          • Rasheed White

            Dude , your an idiot. Stop being trendy. This country was founded on owning property, not renting. Go To a third world country if you want to live like that

          • Taluca Lake

            The left can’t live with the concept of owning anything.

          • R_Swift

            They want to own what you have though.

          • Scott Furley

            true nicks dream will not come true. after one day of homeless people and heroin users using these robot fleet cars, they will have to incinerate them as biohazards. they will become filthy little public buses and pet lavatories. i guarantee it, day one.

          • Snowman 54

            Good point. We have a good way of life in America. The loons from high-density population countries like India, China, Malaysia, have been conditioned to believe it’s OK to eat bugs, live in sweat-soaked discomfort, settle for far less than their potential. They move here, have trouble adjusting, and want the rest of the country to adapt to them, be like them so they can feel good about themselves. I don’t think that’s the way it works.

            Those that don’t have that problem, soon recognize what a good way of life it is.

          • aamericanovice

            Those thoughts hold true ion our major cities don’t they? They eat bugs, live in closets then pack into public transportation like sardines. Shudder.

          • Snowman 54

            They seem to. They at once cry “where can you make money like this!” and then wail and moan about buying parking for $35,000 on the street, paying $800,000 for a 4-500 sq ft studio. For what? No privacy? No space? Claustrophobic living conditions that barely rise to the level of a large dorm room? For being as “smart” and “savvy” as they believe themselves to be, they forget the first rule of economics. Cash is a medium of exchange. It’s the assets you buy with it that have meaning.

          • Veritasortruth

            A good comment and accurate. But the Democrats and other Leftists are intent on bringing in more and more of these folks. These are their future voting constituents. They have been doing this for the past 40 years and have essentially destroyed the republic. I haven’t seen one bit of convincing evidence that we are better off as a nation than what we were 40 years ago. Not one bit. Yes, technology has been great, but that’s about it.

          • GreyGeek77

            @Nick — exaggeration doesn’t help your argument. Not all car owners pay “hundreds of dollars per month” to own and operate their cars. I pay less than $100/mo for the car I own, which I bought new in 2002. It gets 30 mpg in town and 40 mpg on the Interstate.

            Life goes on 24/7/365 and cars should be comparably accessible, even at 2am, for lots of excellent reasons.

            I would love to own an electric car but the currently available models are not affordable for me or most other people. Paying the equivalent of the annual median wage for a car, van or pickup truck is foolish, IMO, but in a free country people have that right and many can justify that expense against alternatives.

            Perhaps in 30-50 years, IF battery technology advances to the point where standard batteries can be recharged or replaced for the same cost, or less, of a tank of gas and give similar carrying capacities and ranges. This will take batteries with 10X the current capacities that are also able to be recharged in under 10 minutes. The Li-Ion battery depends on Lithium. The two major sources of Lithium are China and Bolivia. Even using all the Lithium reserves of those two countries there isn’t enough Lithium to make batteries for 1/3rd of the vehicles in the USA.

            Hydrocarbons have an unbeatable energy density. A better alternative, IMO, is to sequester CO2 from the Atmosphere. Algae farms can capture CO2 and generate fuel oils using solar radiation, even during cloudy days. That way we would be recycling the Carbon in our hydrocarbon fuels.

          • INFW

            Hey moron, what about people who have children and grandchildren out of state? You think everyone flies everywhere? Only the global NWO controllers will have the mobility and freedom we have now. WAKE UP. Its called Agenda 21 “sustainable development.”

          • qb

            Why are the economics going to be that much better for a fleet owner than a private owner? I understand the economy of scale argument. I also understand that when John Q American wants to go somewhere he isn’tgoing to be willing to wait for a car to show up. There are places in rural America that this concept will never work . The miles would effectively double for the autonomous fleet vehicle.

          • Scott Furley

            qb youre correct, the economics lead us in the other direction

          • Steven Foster

            They won’t. Localities would pile taxes on these companies like they do any other business. And insurance on passenger carrying vehicles is extremely high. The only reason uber works is cause 90% of their drivers don’t tell their insurers they work for uber

          • Turd Ferguson
          • bstoff

            Thanks Turd. I’m going to keep that link handy for all the “Nicks” I run into online.

          • TexasTeaFinder

            Not really, They will end up making it illegal to drive because that’s pretty much the only way the scheme will work.

          • Mike Betts

            One possible way the ‘progressives’ would do that is to build ‘autonomous only’ roads. They will happily steal our tax dollars to do it but will not allow us to drive our old fashioned cars on them. We see glimpses of this already with the ‘bus only’ lanes. These lanes in my area are mainly empty. And the buses that use them are carrying three or four passengers. Yet I cannot drive in that lane. My tax dollars helped to build that friggin road.

          • TexasTeaFinder

            It’s insanity. I can definitely see a good old fashioned tax revolt getting the attention of those in State Houses and DC. Of course, when they force “digital only” currency on us, that is iff the table …. probably why they want to get that pushed through so quickly.

          • Count Chocula

            You are the only person in this thread who gets it. Everyone else is a god damn moron. They have no idea how fast and hard artificial intelligence is going to upend the economy.

          • bstoff

            What use would a car, autonomous or not, be if your dream of an upended economy comes true? I would rather have enough control over my own life to make a life for myself, regardless of what the economy has done for the rest of the sheep.

          • Garrai

            And the AI crowd has been making that same prediction for fifty years. Artificial Intelligence, six decades of parlour tricks and not much to show for the billions spent. Here’s a hint for you Chocula, the human mind is not a machine, and it cannot be simulated using a machine, no matter how complex they make it.

          • Veritasortruth

            Guess you didn’t see the news today. And it’s more than just artificial intelligence. It’s the sensor technology without which artificial intelligence doesn’t mean that much.

          • Daystrom2012

            Stick it up your rear…that’s spelled R E A R. You don’t get it, but have fun following your utopian one world dream, the new Babel.

          • incognito

            Typical liberal elitism. You do admit that the ultimate goal is to take away the freedom of movement by making it so expensive that only the rich elite will be able to take a drive anywhere they want at anytime that they want to.

          • Scott Furley

            Nick, i think you dont get it. nobody will want some filthy automated car that some person just used as homeless shelter, bathroom and needle shoot up area. at least in buses you have a driver who tells homeless people and alcoholics to get out every few hours. i guess you have not ridden public transportation lately.

          • CurlyDave

            Actually I want my own automated car. Not one that has been used for all kinds of disgusting things previously.

            I tell it to come get me at home and it wakes up from wherever it lives and comes to my house. Takes me where I want to go, and then drives itself to the recharge/parking facility. Then I call it up again when I want to go back.

            As I get older, I don’t want someone else telling me when to stop driving — I want a car that can drive itself.

            And, at the end of each day it permanently wipes its memory of where it has been. I don’t need big brother knowing that.

            This is the kind of thing I could learn to love.

          • Dragonborn

            Except that I would still have a garage for it! It would just be automated, but mine. Not some yukky used piece of public transportation. Self-driving cars are one thing, taxi services are another. Self-driving, individually owned vehicles is where the market is especially with us baby boomers beginning to hit retirement. Own your own vehicle as eyesight may become poor. Still retain your ownership and independence. I agree with you!

          • aamericanovice

            Not so strange. I have an attached two car garage. We could keep the autonomous car in there much like I keep our current cars in there.

            That concept might seem strange to a city dweller though. Sorry.

          • Jeff Hamilton

            “At the end of each day it permanently wipes its memory of where it has been” 😂

          • Little Cheese

            No paranoia here, but yes while uber has been a game changer for some, it is folly to think all will abandon cars. I drive 45 miles to work, one way. Lets say i decide to hit home depot, grocery store and restaurant on the way home. Where do in-store my purchased tool while I buy groceries. Where do I store tools and groceries while I eat out? Plus I’ve got my big ass briefcase. Just isn’t practical. And if you have to own a car some ofnthe month for times like this you are going to Get the most out of this car instead of paying some other company to cart you around, at 2-4 times the rates during rush hour. Plus id like to leave the restaurant or store when I’m ready, not when my car shows up. Where I live uber can take 15 minutes or more to arrive. What makes you think someone will invest in thousands of autonomous cars to serve the thousands who live just in my neighnorhood? Not gonna happen

          • bstoff

            Oh my. So much intolerance and hate! You should seek some sort of publicly-available counseling.

          • jn jac

            Fk you Nicky

          • bstoff

            Nick. You forgot to type your screed in ALL CAPS as a warning to everyone.

          • Snowman 54

            Lots of speculation in your justification. We were, by all accounts, supposed to be paying 5 bucks a gallon plus for gas by now (outside of the city-states like Chicago, New York, LA, where you already do). And narrow minded, rather like the article author, who assumes we all live in, and want to live in, cramped, crowded apartment structures where on a good day you can smell your neighbors armpits. Not every one wants to be urbanized. In fact. It isn’t even healthy. Gimmeh my car pleeze.

          • Steve_o

            Why do liberals always have to add an insult to a comment? Perhaps they have a lack of confidence in their ideas.

          • 9eyedeel

            poor martyr Nick, has to spell things out, and yet still is unimpressive, awww

          • Jim Hoffmann

            This lengthy and long-winded answer indicates you have far too much time on your hands. Dem, perhaps? Enjoy a laugh for once: jvhoffmannjr.blogspot.com.

          • shannon henderson

            That was one person that didn’t read the article. Why don’t you chill out and stop judging all of us into one group.

          • Bill Thrower

            You have those options now you dope. Uber, taxis, mass transit etc… Yet the number of cars keeps increasing.
            And don’t forget things start out voluntary then get mandated later. How many articles have we already seen saying the problem getting driver less cars is other drivers?

            Stage is already being set to use this as an excuse to force this on people.

          • Janet Noll

            it will start in Europe and then come to California and then the rest of the US will give it the middle finger because we are not mindless followers like the liberal elite pigs are.

          • aamericanovice

            Nick. I am guessing you are a city dweller. Tough to find a parking space in front of your little condo or apartment then even worse getting a space at work. That being just down the street.

            There is another world we need you to learn about. A world where there is no bus or train to take you to the nearest store 5 miles from your home. No train line nor bus going toward where you work in any direction 15-20 miles from your home.

            This article is just another example of liberals not being able to conceptualized numbers. Sad shame.

          • ChargerBinks

            Well we were supposed to be saving $2500 a month on our health insurance but that turned out to be a lie

          • The Concerned Conservative
          • Bob

            Nothing like getting a car someone else puked on jerked off in ..

          • Bunky

            You mean like your loud uncompromising opinion?

          • Colleen Egan

            Nick, you forget that there are many people out there older than you that enjoy owning cars, driving cars, restoring cars and using cars/trucks/tractors/semis to make a living hauling things, plowing things, lifting things etc. The “other people” you refer to are CITY people which as we now know, is clearly not the majority of this country. Just the coasts and only big city people think like you do. Please, open your own mind. Look past your millenial block and uber ride. We don’t prefer to avoid those expenses and buy other things now or in the future. We don’t want to ride the bus or Uber with people like you either. I’ll keep my 1970 Corvette and wave as your autonomous robot car goes by.

          • gman2

            Hey idiot are you saying the opinions are not valid?

          • outinoz

            Nick, nice comment… you managed to take the Lord’s name in vain, and resort to name calling in just one post. I recognize a liberal when I see one.

          • CVN65

            Sure. The article makes sense to young singletons living in/near cities that need a ride to work and then again home at night. That’s not most of us. Those of us in rural/far suburbs and with kids need a vehicle multiple times a day and many multiple times over the weekend. Many people need vehicles that carry six or more people. Many people need vehicles with either large interior storage or exterior storage. Lots of people have things to tow- boats, trailers, cars, mowers. This sort of scheme works for one narrow demographic.

          • greggreen29

            This is more wishful thinking than rational thinking. Leftists have been tying to get people out of cars and suburbs for forty years. Leftists just don’t understand human nature. Most of the world is not like NYC. Most of NY is not like NYC.

          • Sane Responder

            Oh, to be liberal and so much smarter than everyone else!

          • Caligula

            Are you in the automotive business? I am, and have been for almost 30 years. Just about every “prediction” has not come to fruition, and almost nobody predicted in 1993 that GM would be bankrupt in 2009 and need a tax payer bail out. I also remember that by now we should have all been driving SMC (plastic) or all aluminum vehicles. While there are plastic body parts (bumpers) and Ford uses an aluminum alloy on their trucks, the overwhelmingly majority of cars are still made out of steel. But, go hang your hat on the assumptions in this article. Put your money where your mouth is since you’re such a know it all.

          • paulinpittsburgh

            If economics were the driving force behind owning a car, it’s not and that’s why it this concept will fail, just as public transportation has and for the very same reasons.

            The only people likely to embrace this concept are those who currently use public transportation and don’t own a car already. Mostly in high density urban areas.

            Ain’t no large number of Suburban families giving up the Navigator or F-150 to be carted around in some electric crap box.

          • johnparker237

            And you appear to have completely missed the point he tried to make, which is 100% valid: the decision about whether to own a car or not is not determined solely by economic criteria. For example, in rural areas not owning a vehicle could cost you your life if you have an injured family member – they could die while you’re waiting for your high tech electronic transportation capsule to appear.

            Not everyone is a supercilious nose-ringed urban hipster and part of the reason the general population dislikes people like that, is because they incorrectly assume that the entire population shares their opinions and priorities. Personally I have used a personal gas-driven vehicle for much of my life but at other times used public transportation for years at a time, so I am not ideological about this, both modes have pluses and minuses. But I am an adult, and just as I prefer to make my own decisions about issues like car ownership, I also grant to other adults the same right. What exactly gives so called progressives the right to lord it over everyone else and make all their decisions for them?

          • Stev

            A lot of people love cars. Personal cars may be a novelty but I will probably have one that I purchase for cash because certain ones are beautiful. That doesn’t mean I won’t use autonomous vehicles 90-95% of the time. People today have cars they seldom or never drive and that won’t change

          • moosemiester

            If it happens as a result of Market Forces it’s a good thing, but if it’s legislated into existence by imposing taxes it won’t fly, elections have consequences.

          • fcabanski

            You’re not paying attention. The Drudge people, BTW, are the adults in the room. People won’t choose this. It will be chosen for them. The purpose of this isn’t better travel. It’s control over travel.

          • El_Tigre_Loco

            FACT: Batteries don’t work well in cold weather.

          • Nick

            Will that still be a fact in 2030? I’m afraid you don’t know. Embrace humility.

          • INFW

            They will FORCE people into them by RAISED ins. rates moron. Just like taxation is used for. To tax is to control. An example is…to get people to quit smoking THEY RAISE THE CIGARETTE TAX. Agenda 21. Also in case you haven’t noticed. Many so called news articles do not allow the comment section anymore. Why???? Because others are LEARNING the truth that is not being told by Main stream telepromting reading media. I dare you…watch any of the 4 or 5 so called news outlets, they all have the same talking points. Limbaugh and Hannity played back to back clips of one news story and the main talking points were verbatim. The problem, most people watch only ONE news outlet and do not switch to see what others are saying. Govt television PROGRAMMING.

          • Nick

            LoL. You won’t be forced into anything, you paranoid retard. Markets and risk control insurance rates.

        • Taluca Lake

          Not if the Democrats get any power. They’re smarter than any of us so they’ll tell us if and when we need a car.

          • cyberdove

            Dems are Left Supremacists. A new “master race”.

          • Taluca Lake

            Ja wol!

          • roner

            THEY, of course, will always “need” a caravan of cars and private jets, because THEIR work is VERY important!!

        • tony tyler

          I agree.. most of us are not sheep. we still have free will and choose where we want to go when we want to go.. we are not property of the united nations..

          • aamericanovice

            Not exactly what the Hague thinks about you friend.

          • llewellynh

            Good example is that both Italy and Germany are taking away empty houses and hotels and rehabbing them and giving them to the new migrants. They don’t even pay the people they are taking homes from.

          • John C

            Yeah, war is coming and it will be ugly. In the end they will lose.

          • Monty Simmons

            Keep saying that – the more such has to be said the less it is true.

          • obamistake

            Despite the utopian dreams of liberals.

          • mary_podlesak

            Not yet.

          • PickyWizard

            ‘We are not the property of the united nations’

            Not yet……….better buy ammo while ya can

          • mycrossroads

            Amen Tony. Free will prevails. Keep the Faith

        • Dan-in-IN

          And then hope the car that shows up isn’t vomit filled or littered with someone’s other various wastes, especially since you mention 2 am. What do you do when the ride shows up with nasty in it because the computer running it can’t smell or see that it needs a cleanup.

        • shannon henderson

          AMEN!

        • DF

          The cost of car insurance will sky-rocket for those who want autonomous vehicles, once the insurance companies figure out self-driving cars are safer and cause fewer accidents. Yes, they’d be very, very happy to sell overpriced insurance to the last few holdouts who savor the freedom to drink and drive! 40 years ago, cars rarely had seat belts and never an airbag. The insurance companies wagged the dog on that one and slowly will do the same with autonomous cars.

          • Caligula

            Are you in the automotive business? Federal regulations and consumer requirements have more to do with how passenger vehicles are built today, not automotive insurance. Sure, insurance has some influence, but to a much lesser degree.

          • York

            Autonomous cars are death traps. I have used computers since the 80’s and the one thing I have found to be true with computers is that they will ALL and I mean ALL crash for no apparent reason doing the same task that they had done before hundred if not thousands of times before. Like the random crashing of Windows that most people have experienced at one time or another… Only when a car is traveling 60mph and it the computer that is driving it crashes you don’t just see the blue screen of death you see a car crashing off a cliff, running across the center line head on into a truck or barreling off the road into a ditch.

            Sorry but computers are no where near the place they need to be for them to be in control of a car.

          • Bryan Lynn

            Agreed. I have been testing software for 20 years, and there is always a bug someone did find!!!

          • Kevin Lane

            or 1,000

          • OPDave

            I have been in the computer industry 50+ years, and there is no way I would ever let a computer, especially with a fragile toy operating system like Windows, guide my car. Even the best and most robust industrial operating systems require a human supervisor in order to avoid catastrophies.

            Through experience, I know that whenever you hear someone alleging that “nothing can go wrong,” you should run to the nearest shelter.

          • Dumpster

            Those that want this are either really ignorant or out to make a buck.

          • izzyeddy

            All it takes is one bored hacker, any tech can tell you there’s no such thing as a hack proof computer.

          • John C

            The only computer that is hack proof is one that is not attached to any network, intranet, internet, WiFi or any other way it can be reached. It would have to be completely isolated.

          • PickyWizard

            Still vulnerable to EMP unless u got a faraday cage

          • John C

            Yes but we are discussing hacks here, not EMPs. EMPs will or can take out a lot more than just computers it can take out most modern electrical devices, especially devices which have microchips because they are very susceptible to electrical current surges/ spikes.

          • INFW

            They are run via satelite. Is that hackable?

          • John C

            Of course it is hackable, any computer that is not a closed system, any Computer that exchanges data from outside of itself is hackable. An intranet which no outside source has access to would be a closed system and safe but if anyone can get to a link in the system that too can be hacked. A Satellite is just a wireless connection, so it is hackable.

          • INFW

            They are run via satelite. I don’t know if that is hackable???? Anyone know?

          • El_Tigre_Loco

            I agree. However, they do control aircraft.

          • York

            Yes they control air craft but then aircraft also have double redundancy systems and the fact that a pilot is always sitting behind the controls in case something goes wrong… That’s not the plan for autonomous cars, they are planning on basically taking the pilots out of the equation completely…. that’s the worst idea of all.

          • Georgethehistorywonk

            Let’s also add to the “fun” possibilities computers being hacked and a solar flare hitting the earth and frying everything electrical. The last time we had a big solar flare hitting the earth was prior to the Civil War, when the only thing we had that was electrical was the telegraph. Today that sort of flare would fry computers, bring down the electric grid, and slam us back technology-wise to about 1830 – without whale oil lamps, steam locomotives, and plenty of horses to ease the shock.

          • Veritasortruth

            Most intelligent comment I have read on this site, and perhaps one of the most intelligent I’ve read on the subject of self-driving cars. I’m with you. I’ve also used and worked with computers over the past 30 years (has it been that long?), and have had my computers crash many, many times for no apparent reasons. It just happened to my home computer last night.

          • Abroche Su Cinturon

            Ha – and when it’s time for you to finally exit this planet – at least in the eyes of our all-knowing masters – they can easily hack your morning trip to the grocery into a final and fiery exit or perhaps a locked car ride to your mercy killing site.

          • paulinpittsburgh

            Except they won’t be the last few of anything, they’ll norm just as they are today, just as they will be for the foreseeable future.

            It won’t matter what sort of financial burden anyone tries to implement to force the change, people will adsorb it … just as $6-8 a gallon gasoline didn’t drive more people to rely on public transportation and drive people out of the suburbs back into the cities as these same nit-wits predicted it would.

            Driving and owning a car is not strictly a utilitarian concept as the tech fascists behind these companies seem to believe and cost in only one small component. People like their cars from the status they project to the freedom they offer and very few people will choose to give them up so Eric Schmidt, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and mark Zuckerberg can tell them where to go, when they can go and keep them under surveillance whole they’re going in the shared filth and grime of untold number of rider before them.

            If anyone who owns a car was interested in traveling this way public transportation would be utilized to a far greater extent and wouldn’t need the heavy subsidies it does.

            These concept have virtually all the problems that public transportation does and the public has rejected it resoundingly as they will this.

          • Michael Woods

            GREAT and well reasoned comment!!

          • Veritasortruth

            If you think that self driving cars will be safer you are sadly mistaken. As soon as people start to get killed by self driving cars, the trial lawyers will shut down the industry. BTW, drinking and driving is WAY down. It’s down so much that many in government, want to lower the blood alcohol content. They want the revenue.

          • El_Tigre_Loco

            “self-driving cars are safer and cause fewer accidents”
            Well, they are not off to a good start.

          • malonetax

            Insurance will likely decrease as the old folks who can’t drive and the few people who are very bad drivers will opt for the autodrivers. So insurance and accidents will decrease dramatically.

        • Joe Lizak

          Nice.

        • TwinCitiesEast

          And have it tracked. The thing will probably monitor your blood level and refuse to stop at the store so you can get a candy bar LOL.

        • David Michael

          Right, at 2 am I might need more cigarettes and beer and no way to get to the convenience store

        • LouAnnWatson

          freakin socialist propellerheads…first, rich people aren’t going to dial up a car that’s like a taxi cab. autonomous cars won’t work in rural areas because they’d be too far away from most customers to be effective. it’s just more pipe dreams. fyi…windmills only make up ,46% percent of global power needs. there’s a wonderful prediction already gone to hell

        • Chuck Roost

          Ob*ma was un-American, but he did a tremendous amount of damage to the American Way of Life during his reign.

      • wikileafs

        The Government is now a major propaganda machine. They use the media to test and try to convince us of their social control plans.

      • obamistake

        Well, consider the source: Giles Parkinson? Definitely a liberal name if ever there was.

      • David_in_NW_La

        Ha ha! Remember a few years back when the Segway was going to revolutionize urban transportation? Yeah, right.

    • CRAPPY CHANGE

      Won’t be the case in 13 years much less a 100 years. If it ever became cost prohibitive to own a car, the public would start buying fuel efficient motorcycles in mass like they do in China. This is looney liberalism on display with their ecofanatism. I like how they acknowledge their bias by making sure they point out that it is all “economics” at play in their projections. So in as little as 13 years, Americans will lose all interest mobile independence as adults and will demand to be driven around like small dependent children. These pencil pushing theorists tend to be adult-aged children themselves and seem to be projecting their own infantile delusions than sound theory.

      • City_Of_Champyinz

        Agreed, this is horse excrement. I love my Jeep, love to go off roading, and will own her for as long as I live.

      • 1sttexan49

        One thing. ALL the car companies are gearing up for this very scenario. They are putting billions into it.The subject consumes every issue of my car magazines.Like it or not? It’s coming.

        • What magazines are you reading? Green Cars?

        • DStuff

          It’s only coming if the cars sell. How did that whole Government mandated “all cars will be electric” work for the Volt?

          • Taluca Lake

            No problem – if your destination is <50 miles round trip.

          • cosmicwxdude

            And it’s not snowing or icing.

        • bstoff

          Nope. You need to broaden your horizons. Don’t speak in absolutes, you will end up absolutely wrong.

      • Gilligan Jones

        …not to mention the push back from other industries that will stretch their vision well into 2075 or later. And…ironically…I would love this technology. I am genetically epileptic, was not diagnosed till I was 49 years old… (when I was told that I had been enduring “unobserved seizures” my entire life)…and drove off a 200 foot cliff at 70 mph….(of which, I recall nothing). So I no longer drive..and even tried asking Medicare if they would cover the cost of a self-driving car…as a “medical device”. I thought they would laugh at me…but the Medicare Representative…took me seriously and tried to look up an appropriate code! So I think a portion of their vision will slowly develop…but not in the way they think it will. Their theory leaves out human motivation, which is the chink in their control-based-armor….

        • bstoff

          human motivation, in their eyes, could easily be at the end of a gun barrel.

        • Evil Otto

          Exactly. There’s a place for this, but not as the overwhelming thing that the author paints it as. I work with people who, due to disability, can’t drive. Ever. I’ve even been in the unfortunate position of having to inform teenagers that they would never be allowed to drive due to their conditions. Not a fun thing to have to tell them, because they want to be like their peers so badly. Self-driving cars offer mobility to people who lose it otherwise… but the control-freak dream of everyone giving up their cars? Not going to happen, especially in the USA.

      • fcabanski

        We’ll demand to wait for a car to collect us. And if we’re good, the car will take us to where the government allows us to go. We’re going to love that.

      • GreyGeek77

        “ecofanaticism” = ecofascism. There, fixed that for ya.

    • JDH

      You are forgetting the “snowflakes”!!

    • edbarbar

      Yeah, people are going to share a driver-less car with the local hooker and heroin addicts. Not going to happen.

      • BigDaddyJim

        Johnnycabs.

    • Nick

      It’s probably unlikely but before you confidently pronounce judgment consider that Facebook is only 13 years old and Google less than 20.

      • Jack Bauer

        Uhh so?

        • Nick

          The point is that change can, and does, happen fast and unforeseen. Christ, need to spell everything out for you drudgetarded twats.

          • Saknussemm

            Yup. You changed into a troll at puberty.

          • Okie_Vet

            change like you’re talking about happens generally through 1 of 2 ways, either through necessity such as war or because someone sees a profit to be made. Many of the 20th century’s greatest leaps forward, such as aerodynamics and jet propulsion were because of warfare. Automobiles, well someone saw a profit to be made. Did you know that there have been over 1,800 car manufacturers in the U.S. since the birth of the automobile?

          • PoliSike

            Is it beyond your ability to express yourself without the hatefilled attitude?

          • paganpink

            Hating is out! Time to change, libtard wanker!

          • bstoff

            His intolerance is triggering me. I may need a safe space.

          • jack nichols

            Using the Lords name in vane

          • bstoff

            How many appletinis are you up to at this point, Nick? Please, please, type in ALL CAPS so we will know not to read your hate-filled ad-hominim attacks.

      • Okie_Vet

        Google and Facebook are child’s play compared to this.

      • PoliSike

        Finally, Nick, a comment that is a bit snarky but at least not as hate filled. Congratulations!

        • bstoff

          Give him time.

      • bstoff

        Google and Facebook are both servants of the government and corporations, and they work against the interest of individuals and the general public. They do not serve the public and they have a monopoly on your personal information. That should tell you something about your utopian future with self driving cars for the masses replacing private transportation.

    • Larry Matters

      Did you hear what the Railroads said to the Airlines?
      …the same thing the “Beta-tape” said to the VHS-tape … who repeated it to the DVD ->

      “LOL yeah right…Anyone who thinks this will be the case in 13 years is loony..”

      Payphones said it to cell phones also.
      …and horse-drawn-carriages to horseless-carriages;

      …get the picture?

      …slide rulers to pocket calculators to ipads & iphones …

      • Casey Kowalchyk

        Why is there so much vinyl for sale right now? Shouldn’t that have stayed dead?

        • Dick Fantastic

          I appreciate the artwork and there is nothing quite like a stack of records, you feel like you really own something. Each album has its own story. However, as an audio format, IMO it is junk.

      • fustian24

        Yeah.

        So where’s the flying cars?

        Those were promised too.

        Getting part of the way to a self-driving car is relatively easy. But a real self-driving car has to KNOW so many things. What a ball looks like rolling out into a street. What old people crossing a street looks like and means to a driver. This requires the AI revolution we were promised and have not seen yet. Which means these are empty promises.

    • gadfly522

      Same amount of time that it took for the 35mm film camera to go away. 13 years or 23 years the hand writing is on the wall, digital wall that is.

    • INFW

      Its part of Agenda 21 and Agenda 30 that many have been warning about. Ins. will raise rates to make cars unaffordable to drive. We are losing our freedom. What about traveling out of state to visit relatives and children? Look up Georgia guidestones. They are replacing humans with robots. They don’t need us.

    • shannon henderson

      It’s actually worse, I think. Did you see the graph? It says around 2024, 7 years from now, that there will be almost no individual car sales. That is ridiculous.

    • way2confused

      But it is the dream of the left so they can further control us. Soon one of these loons will think it is a good idea to put ankle monitors with hearing devices on all citizens.

    • nsirchov

      Instead of autonomous cars, how about robot politicians, ya know, ones that don’t lie and steal. You will be doing mankind a much greater favor by doing that.

    • aamericanovice

      Here comes the Jetsons.

    • JesusIsGay

      It’s real old man

      • ChargerBinks

        Of course someone with a name like yours is to be taken seriously

      • not having much fun

        Why would you dismiss his point because he is an ‘OLD MAN’ in your view? Wisdom comes with age, if at all, and the youth do not have any, it takes time. 13 Years is a blink of an eye, and there will certainly be private ownership in 13 years or 20, or 25. You forget the Car collectors too!

    • Iminurbase

      The reason you’re seeing this article is because this is what the “elites” want, they use media for “predictive programming” they will end individual’s right to roam freely under the guise of “climate change” this benefits manufactures to have massive “renters” no more ownership.

      Only you can resist and change this, this article is the beginnings of their plan, so resist or succumb to their plan. Agenda 2030 is real, it used to be “Agenda 21” now it’s 2030.

    • roner

      Obviously written by city dwellers….

    • Red47 Jesus in a Che Shirt

      I am not sure how to stop it. From Bloomberg, “A single autonomous car can generate the same data trove as 3,000 people surfing the internet”. It looks as though corporations will be forcing is to ride around in other people’s old tissues and french fries 🍟.

    • Macranthunter

      My car is my office, workshop, go van. It’s how I get my gear to my client. It’s how I work and create. It’s not a means to get Starbucks – it’s how I live.

      • TexasTeaFinder

        You won’t have to give up your van, you’l just have to lease a self-driving autonomous van. Do I agree with this BS? Absolutely not, but it’s coming.

    • JustSomeGuy

      Yes. Like disposable paper clothes, communism and several other ‘inevitable’ trends, once you add human nature, it falls apart.
      Might get some traction (no pun intended) in major metros. But then, they already have an autonomous fleet there. I believe they’re called…taxicabs? And yet people still own their own cars in the city.
      File this one next to underwater cities and global warming, guys. Not. Happening.

    • rlwieneke

      the insurance companies are all in with this and have stated they will make insurance for privately owned vehicles un-affordable. Why? the general consensus is that driver-less vehicles will not speed, will not run traffic lights and stop signs, will not cause accidents.

      • TexasTeaFinder

        Correct.

    • SpinMax

      The flying car is right around the corner!!! – Popular Mechanics 1960, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65…..2014,15,16,17…

    • TheCultureWarriors

      I think this is the same person who said cars will drive themselves in 5 years. What is scary is that people with this level of utter and profound stupidity could possibly vote.

    • alanb

      Hey, its “a study.” I must be true. I wonder what they studied to make this prediction. Clearly not human nature. I recall a study sometime in the 1960s that predicted that most people would have telephones in their homes (you know, the kind wired to the wall) that people could see each other on within ten years. Hmmmmm. I can’t recall that happening. It’s possible the technology existed, but people had no desire to have people see them in whatever state they happened to be answering a phone. I’d guess “the overwhelming majority of people” are not going to want any part of this in 13 years. Hey, can I call this post “a new study” and get it reported?

    • ColBatguano

      Yes, like the 40 yr old dream of everyone owning a flying car, this is total BS. I’ve written software for automotive embedded modules for the last 30 years; engine controls, safety critical, etc. I can tell you that so-called “autonomous” vehicles will simply NOT be safe enough. I know how the sausage is made, and I know the cost sensitivity of automotive electronics. Automotive electronics are NOT made to the standards of avionics systems. The autonomous stuff is a pipe dream, it will never be safe or cheap enough to put on a huge number of vehicles. People like to be free, free to do what they want when they want to. Their desire for automobiles reflects that desire for freedom. People who are pushing this theory that cars will be “on-demand” are missing the demands of the market.

    • madmatt5

      Those loony New Yorkers went from horses to cars in about 13 years, and that was over a century ago. http://www.businessinsider.com/5th-ave-1900-vs-1913-2011-3

      The economics alone make it a no brainer. Add in increased safety, better air quality, mobility for underserved populations (blind, elderly, etc), and it becomes a total slam dunk. Personally, I can’t wait!

      I get it, change is scary, but this is absolutely happening… and FAST.

      • John C

        Nonsense, people will not want to give up their ability to travel freely. While Self driving vehicles may indeed grow in numbers, if they can perfect it to an acceptable safety level, many of those will be privately owned.

    • OPDave

      The same people who ignore the freedom advantage of personal cars probably also believe that voluntary slavery is becoming popular.

    • LazarusRose

      Weren’t we supposed to be in our own flying cars by now? “If you can imagine it, you can have it.” The devil’s own words.

    • XUSAMABO

      They’ve been telling us for years that they wanted us to pay for software by the unit of time rather than selling us a lifetime license. That model never caught on either.

    • Mike Lebowski

      I do think that in 13 years you will see this taking over in major cities. I absolutely see this happening eventually. The cost of solar vs, coal now is an example.

    • Thunder Lizard

      How many ‘predictions’ about the future have never panned out? Plenty!

    • Scott Allen
    • Antony Day

      It took 13 years for cars to displace horses… don’t be so sure.

  • KORGG

    I will own one , because I like to travel wherever and whenever I want. I will also continue to own an older model that cannot be tracked by gps.

    • Ellis

      “Comrade, you do not share the populist ideology…..what will it take to convince you? ” ” resistance is futile!”

      • D_Allen

        I’ll give up my truck when you pry it from my cold, dead @ss.

        • theoldnorth

          Your truck is in your @ss?

      • ezrvs1

        Exactly

    • jayrizzy

      But will you be able to drive it legally? Insurance is going to skyrocket once autonomous cars are the norm.

      • Palace Dog

        If the democrats are running the show, capitol punishment might be the penalty for driving a car.

        • American

          “…before the motor law.”
          https://youtu.be/PjjNvjURS-s

          • David Rodolff

            Spot on. Good one.

          • Kasper

            RUSH Rules

          • thebigleone

            Nah, it’s all about Rush and the useful idiots that still listen to Rush. I used to listen, but moved on. Rush is passé. 25,000,000.00 a year thanks to you Rushbots.

          • Pat Patterson

            You are full of leftist shiite and a commie loving stooge!

          • Kasper

            What did you move on to , Backstreet Boys?

          • bstoff

            Rush, the band, not the radio pundit. Red Barchetta is the song being referred to. You gave me a good chuckle, though.

        • John Doe

          Kidding me right. My state is a Liberal shit hole. They have stopped all executions. Some families waiting decades for justice. Now being denied by the Democrat Progs.

          • Mina

            We have the freedom to move to states that are not st holes.

          • John Doe

            I guess. That’s the chicken shit way out. Stay and fight. Move to a good State and the Progs that are employed and over taxed leave their shit holes and go to good States. Ruining it for us all. It wasn’t always a shit hole. I’m going to stay and fight!

      • glamdeluxe

        Less drivers on the road dequals lower rates.

      • jtom

        Autonomous cars will not become the norm in our lifetimes. I could take you on a ten-mile aternoon drive here on any day, and point out a half-dozen different situations which such a car could not handle. The lane closure (utility tree trimming. Be gone in a couple of hours, pal), detours (just temporary. Truck stalled.), police directing traffic (sometimes requiring you to ignore the traffic signal!), accidents, school crossing guards, stopped school buses (requiring traffic to stop on both sides of the road). Oh, sure, you could deploy gizmos all over the place to help guide the car, but who’s going to pay for that? Besides, hackers would have a field day.

      • Mina

        We will not tolerate an oppressive govt that goes that far or even close to it.

      • Lyle Petersen

        I’m told by my leftist friends that there’s this thing called civil disobedience. I’ll be looking into it when push comes to shove.

    • ezrvs1

      I’m with you!

    • Pumpkin King XXIII

      You better have an old microwave in the back seat to throw your phone in. They will be using it to follow you.

    • Nick

      … while carrying around a phone tracking you via GPS.

  • Norris Allen

    Where will the electric power come from ?

    • Donn N.

      Unicorn farts.

    • steven reynolds

      You will be taxed an electric transportation tax to cover that. Then they will have to add a ton more taxes to replace the gas tax, and on and on and on.

      • Mina

        Where are we going to get the money to pay the taxes? Rob out piggy banks of the play money we stuffed in there as kids?

    • jtom

      You didn’t take note of their OTHER forecast? The power will be FREE using our new solar and wind powered electric grids! How do these fools earn money???

    • Mina

      Oh, don’t bust their bubbles with bad thoughts and negativity. I had a brief one way discussion with a smart lady who thought it would be swell to pave roads and docks with solar panels. She blocked me for giving her a feeling of pushback that was annoying.

  • Deplorable Agent Mom

    Who decides that? Because I am NOT giving up my car, no matter how many lefties tell me too!

    • Littleredtop

      Ivanka Trump and Jeb Kurshner…that’s who.

      • Donn N.

        Who the hell is Jeb Kurshner?

        • The Blameocrats

          Apparently a fictional WH character he just made up.

        • Littleredtop

          her husband

      • Pakvi Roti

        Jared. Your hat must be too tight.

        • Littleredtop

          it’s that damn tin foil…. sorry, Jared

      • fcabanski

        Um, no.

    • Deadmau5 Patton

      you can talk big, but i’m sure a lot of horse and carriage owners said the same in their day.

      • KevTuck

        After Trump restores all the coal mining jobs, he will work to revitalize the blacksmith industry😀.

        • Rob

          It’s already happening. Look at anvil prices, they are out of control.

        • Deadmau5 Patton

          it would be good if we had some older technologies to fall back on. i’d actually support an initiative to bring back the blacksmith industry

      • Mind the store

        Horses provided independency and were replaced by much greater independency – the auto. Autonomous vehicles are regressive, “crash” independency.

        • Deadmau5 Patton

          i’m not exactly sure, but i’d guess that the younger generations value independence and sovereignty less than anyone. those old values don’t mean much to them and they’ll accept autonomous cars and every other government program without resistance.

    • ZeroLover

      It is the right wing DUI laws that is going to take your car away.

  • American
    • Dammit

      Johnny Cab!

      • Ashes

        There it is, been waiting for that quote,lol

  • MidAmerica2

    We know how relaxing it is riding with strangers for a couple of minutes in an elevator so imagine the interactive possibilities if it’s a couple hours or more in a small autonomous car and the open road.

    • Mina

      You would have your watches stolen and your pocketbooks taken and your computers etc. Then the robbers would get off and run.

  • Scatter Manx

    I would not drive a driverless car. Who knows where it would go?

  • Native New Yorker

    Oh please…..this is an absurd asumption.

  • oncemorearound

    By 2030 no one will be able to afford one….

  • jb80538

    Sounds like BS to me!

  • Littleredtop

    By 2030 I won’t need a car. So, I guess this globalist initiative is OK.

  • Vox Veritas

    And farmers won’t have tractors. Right…

    These leftist dystopians vote for Democrats — all 11 of them.

  • ShadowSandy

    Wait werent we supposed to have flying cars by now? 😃😃😃

  • TZAZ

    People that don’t have a clue about living in large states with vast distances between towns, his time line is much to short.

  • bazilman

    This “think tank” is quite obviously made up of elitist urbanite millennials or millennial-wannabees. A large portion of the population does not live in high density urban areas and for them, this pipe dream of a “ride to work as part of a latte purchase” is nuts.

  • rhcrest

    We already have these vehicles available in the form of taxis limos uber buses etc. Nothing beats having your own car available to go wherever you want whenever you want without having to involve anyone or anything else.

  • boBNunny

    I don’t think the ICE will go away anytime in the next 20 years. That said, I think Transport as a Service and self-driving cars are great for those looking to get work done, the elderly, and even drunk drivers. And in cities, the cost of owning a car is insane! Add in the high insurance, parking, increased fuel costs, etc, and it can easily be $1000 a month. Silliness to own a car in the city; especially NY, LA, or Chicago.

    • Grand2833

      No one forces you to live in those places. By all means, don’t buy a car if everything you need is within walking distance. Unfortunately that is not the case for the majority of Americans. We depend on our cars and trucks for all the necessary trips; shopping, work, schools, doctors, sporting events, dinners out with family and friends, vacations, and the list goes on and on.

  • Southernationalist

    Just wait until you have a nice summer weekend and everyone wants to hit the beach at the same time.

    • jtom

      Why wait that long? What about rush hour every day of the work week?

      • Mina

        Electric cars running out of charges waiting in line to “fill up” and waiting for construction and accidents to clear. These think tank kids are divorced from reality. And, where do they think batteries come from, a stork? It takes more than solar power to melt lead or mine minerals for other type batteries. Chemicals don’t come to factories for their use by way of magic wands. Asphalt doesn’t come from thin air. Then there is the “thing” about efficiency. Remember the fad of diluting gasoline with ethanol? How’s that working? Run up the cost of bread and ruining engines. Less horsepower per gallon.

  • Dammit

    What a crock of ….

  • ScottAg83

    Just think when the government wants to curtail travel due to martial law, you would be SOL without your own car or truck.

  • Dammit

    Just try to catch me in my Red Barchetta.

  • Dennis Jones

    I seriously doubt people are going to give up that much independence and lets face it, the technology is still not there. The electric commuter car sure, but you forget the vacation trips, runs to Home Depot/Lowes, sports events and the hundreds of other trips we make that is not job related.

  • flyfish

    Only thing I would disagree with is that Fully Atonomous Vehicles will be used in large scale operation by 2030. By 2030, FAV’s will be mostly relegated to legacy modes of transportation. Fully Autonomous Flying Drones will be the norm. Think of the cost savings around infrastructure that could realized with FAFD’s. Multiple layers of FAFD’s stacked as high as needed, on demand instant infrastructure to accommodate increased capacity. Significanlty reduced travel times….

    If you are going to completely shread a multi trillion dollar a year industry you might as well go big, really big. 🙂

  • Hyna Hammond

    AS AN ELDERLY WHO IS HAVING A VISION PROBLEM AND LIVING ALONE THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE FOR ME, AND FOR THE DISABLE WHO RELY ON OTHERS TO DRIVE, THIS IS AMAZING, ONLY, IF I AM STILL ALIVE BY 2030. LOL.

    • Lurch47

      I’m guessing NO and I am no Spring Chicken either. =0)

  • NCMike

    Battery improvements seem reasonable, but nowhere in the article have they addressed the issue of production of electricity. Currently it’s coal, hydrocarbons, and water power, with only three percent coming from solar or wind. Environmental activists oppose coal, hydrocarbons, and the damming of rivers. What’s the magic bullet that will make solar and wind economically feasible, effective and competitive with current major electricity sources?

  • Mike

    How are they going to CLEAN the cars after each short term rental? They won’t. Cars will be cleaned maybe once a week or every few days if we are lucky. I work for a major car rental agency and you wouldn’t believe how filthy cars are when the general public rents for a day. People eat chicken and sunflower seeds, leaving heaps of crumbs and shells in the cars. They just spit the shells into the cabin along with bits of seeds. They get their sticky gooey fingers all over the interior. Drinks are spilled on the seats, dash, doors and carpet. People ignore the restrictions of smoking in the car. They often smell like vape smoke and cigarettes, or even worse, B.O.. They bring their pets and the cars seats are covered in pet hair. I wouldn’t want to jump into a car that was rented by a bunch of inconsiderate people and hadn’t been cleaned. Enjoy the brave new world.

    • jtom

      Since those ‘free rides’ will be stripped and sold for parts or scrap on a daily basis, they will quit possibly stay very clean.

    • ZeroLover
    • Jack Mack

      Yeah, so does that mean all these parents will be toting around their booster seats all day as they jump from car to car as well as the stroller, baby gear, etc. So when I have to coach my kids little league team, I’ll have to haul the gear bagS! into my office for the day…..yeah my boss, office mates, and people who ride the elevator will really appreciate that.

      These stupid self-absorbed city cellar dwellers can’t imagine life outside of clubbing, sitting around sipping a latte and sitting around saying how much smarter they are than everyone else.

      13 years…hahahhahaha…If used cars and gas will be SOOO CHEAP, why would I want to do something so damn inconvenient as to waiting around for an f**ing taxi 5 times a day.

      Think tank….wow…somebody thinks themselves as important.

      • happy1ga

        Don’t forget the feminists who are into “free bleeding,” toddlers who aren’t toilet trained, people who get food poisoning or have the flu, dogs that have ticks or fleas that ride along with their masters, the people that clip their toenails while they ride, the sex addicts masturbating to porn on their phone, the heroin addict spraying blood out of a vein she tapped, heck, the list of fresh horrors you could encounter in one of these future autonomous car fleets is endless.

    • fcabanski

      Lowly humans will clean the cars. Or, better yet, only robots will be allowed to travel.

  • Albondigas

    All the bun-wad-techie-twirps can fiddle on their virtual IPads in the back seats while Electrobrain drives along and shoots live video streamed to other dopes picking their noses and exposing themselves.

    “Please do not masturbate in the vehicle; be considerate to other riders…”

  • krell51

    A car is freedom to move when and where you choose, self driving cars owned and controlled by someone else puts you at the mercy of others, no thank you!

  • Lurch47

    This is preposterous left tard BS. Huge metro areas might be more electric , but what about the outback? The US is huge and this idea won’t fly in rural areas and farming communities or Peoria. Plus, electric power is not pollution free. Nor has anyone really addressed the problem of what to do with the THOUSANDS of old worn out lithium batteries.

  • Dammit

    95% huh? I guess only 5% of the population live in rural areas.

  • Ali ByGolly

    More stupid crap from a left wing think tank staffed by idiots.

  • Dennis Jones

    somewhere along the line you have to make up for the loss of fuel tax revenue that the Fed and States depend on. They’re already feeling the crunch just with the more fuel efficient vehicles our government mandated us to buy.

  • Charlie

    “The cars will last a lifetime”. This man has taken the title of all time worlds stupidest liberal.

  • Eric

    American’s will never give up their cars, maybe in Europe where Liberal and Green politician’s are the given but not here. I also dont recall an enormous uptake of Solar unless you count the companies that the Obama admin made such a big deal about and gave them millions only to have them collapse.

    • Grand2833

      Actually, that was billions of dollars wasted on his “green energy” agenda. It was all part of his war on coal and the oil industry. Further evidence of the ignorance the man and his administration displayed as to the energy/manufacturing sector. Our modern, highly technological civilization is only possible with enormous quantities of oil being produced and consumed on a massive scale around the world. Only a fool would think our society could survive without oil, natural gas and coal.

  • Bobbie Irish

    Really? And what about people in rural areas? We live on a 3,000 acre ranch. Twenty miles from the closest town. 100 miles from the closest major Hospital. 240 miles round trip from the closest major Airport. Electric cars? How about when it is -20 below, and snowing? How about when it is -40 below, and snowing? Pipe dreams if they think all the people who live in rural settings are going to move to, or be moved to big cities. That’s why we protect our gun rights!

    • Jeff Valasek

      40 acres off grid, 9 miles from town of 350 people. NO problem getting an ‘electric car’ to come get me, and pull 800 gallons of water (6400 pounds) home down a dirt 4×4 road – right?

    • James Nilsson

      Remember, this is proposed by a “think tank” of Citiots. They do not have a clue of anything beyond a city. Food magically arrives at grocery stores, electricity comes from that plug on the wall, a carbon footprint is important, solar panels work when snow covered or north of the 50th parallel. Citiots are dumb as a bag of hammers.

      • Mr Happy Man

        Citiots. Its an intersting word with a lot of truth behind it. I’ll add it to my working vocabulary.

      • Mr Happy Man

        Actually, to many of these citiots, food isn’t found in a grocery store. It comes on a plate at an overpriced eating establishment. This requires two hours at a gym daily to work off those excess calories. As well as 70+ hour workweeks to afford eating out three times a day at overpriced eating establishments, the gym membership, and all that goes along with those two.
        In their apartments the oven is a good place to store things, because it isn’t used for anything else.

  • Who U Gettin Crazy Wit Ese

    OK faggotron.

  • yarpos .

    Surprised to see all these naysayers on a Renew blog, I thought all comment not be slavishly enthusiastic was deleted.

    I love how thing are things are just dismissed with wave of the hand. Cobalt replcement will be found, the “solution” will just radiate out magically to rural areas. So easy to be visionary when untroubled by reality.

    Like any batch of futurist projections some elements may eventually come to pass, and many wont. As none of this actually works at commercial scale in 2017, I’d suggest 2030 is just plain stupid.

    • Grand2833

      It’s liberal “magic”, just thinking it is so will make it a fact. Repeat it in the media enough times and people will start to believe it. Sorry, that only works with the liberal far left crowd. The majority of the people now realize these stories really are “fake news”. There is no truth to these “predictions”. Just people making stuff up and throwing it out there.

  • In 1937, Popular Science magazine predicted auto travel from North America to Europe via highways in undersea tubes. It was supposed to commence by 1960.

    It sorta deflates a person’s faith in predictions.

  • RichPorardo

    That will be the death nell for freedom. At any time, the government will be able to prevent you from traveling, or dictate when and where you travel. No thanks!

  • David Lee

    A series of fleets that will eventually become one Fleet with central control is the most fragile system I could think of for transportation !what we have now is decentralized but it’s very anti fragile in the sense that one crash or system failure is not going to shut down the grid -this is assuming that everybody has the kindest, most benign intentions! pathological personalities are always drawn to positions of power ;the more power they have the more pathological they act out…
    Think of a seesaw- at one end is liberty and at the other end is security. to gain one you have to give up the other. one gains leverage while the other one loses.
    Learning the difference between wanting and having is expensive and sometimes irrevocable…

  • 99magna

    Yeah and all cities were going to have “people mover” sidewalks.

  • TruthTeller (Deplorable)

    This character has obviously never lived on a farm. This ain’t happenin’ in my lifetime, which will extend beyond 2030, God willing.

  • Southernfriedyankee

    Sounds to me like someone presenting their personal “dream” as fact or reality. Can driving habits change over a period of time ? Of course. Private cars “disappear” ? Not in North America as long as Americans and Canadians remain independent minded !

  • jenkem5

    What a bunch of liberal envirotarded BS. Tell me more about electric autonomous snow plows that are going to plow my half mile long fn driveway. These people are beyond dumb.

    • CarlG

      Stick to your horse and buggy.

      • Grand2833

        Stupid comment.

  • American

    The same people that think up this stuff are the same types that think “people” would prefer to live in large metropolitan housing complexes where they can take an elevator down to street level; with shops, entertainment venues and, public mass transportation to their work is all within walking distance just around the corner.

    They call this dreamland vison of theirs: “Utopia”.

  • Jack76

    Yeah, and we’ll have a high speed train that goes from LA to SF. NOT!

    • Interest on the money borrowed to pay for “Jerry’s Choo-choo” will be greater than the anticipated revenue. It’s in their own data; digging it out is not terribly tough if I can do it. I never worked a day in the transport industry and I found it.

      It means no money for salaries, benefits, insurance, maintenace parts or electricity to power the trains. That’s no way to run a railroad.

      Brown’s a fool. Tell a friend.

      • Jack76

        He’s more than just a fool. He’s a dangerously insane socialist who will be causing us pain, hardship and misery long after he’s gone.

  • Drtender

    Leftwing people don’t like private ownership in general. This is just one more example of their socialist dream.

    • Pakvi Roti

      Then we should force them to give their own privately owned assets.

      • bstoff

        They pretend they would do that willingly, but they really believe they will be enjoying the fruits of everyone else’s work.

  • CarlG

    The zombie apocalypse will happen before then. I have watched seven seasons of The Walking Dead. I learned all what needs to be known. I will survive.

    • JBrickley

      Except none of the cars would be working a few years after the zombie apocalypse. Gasoline expires and they aren’t exactly making more in the TV show. More likely to have an EMP apocalypse so only classic cars without computers will still run… Even many motorcycles wouldn’t work. Maybe you could drive about on mopeds and lawn mowers. Just get a horse!

      • CarlG

        I live in a retirement community. I already live amongst The Walking Dead. I’ve become one badazz. I will learn more skills this fall from Season 8.

        • Grand2833

          Good for you!

    • KevTuck

      North Korea’s EMP detonation will deliver all you need… minus the zombies.

      • CarlG

        You read too much Fox News.

      • David169

        Iran has already passed a measure through their Parliament that as soon as they can get their hands on an EMP weapon they will use it on the US.

        • Grand2833

          Good times coming, they won’t do it but once so they better make it good. Someone needs to inform them of our nuclear triad. That’s nuclear weapons on land, air and sea. No matter what they do we will still have the capacity to retaliate with a massive nuclear strike on their major cities.

  • Juanca Ramirez

    Absolute nonsense!, real Americans love cars and what comes attached to it: Freedom!

  • Radbug

    EV Vespas are cool. I don’t wanna wait for an AEV so I can pop down & buy some milk! AEV’s are really good if you wanna travel further than 5 kilometres. Less than 5 kilometres, use the Vespa!

    • Grand2833

      Yeah, right, a Vespa is so good for taking the two dogs to the vet, taking the three kids to school and all their other activities, picking up the drycleaning, bringing home the groceries from my local Walmart which is eight miles away, picking up my friends for a night out or a dinner date, attending different events, family vacations or visits to our state parks. Sorry, your Vespa is just as impracticable as a bicycle or an expensive electric vehicle. In the real world, a gas-powered vehicle is an absolute necessity for anyone who is not in a hospital or a nursing home. Grow up!

      • Radbug

        Sorry Grand2833, don’t wanna grow up!

  • JBrickley

    Pie in the sky thinking. Not gonna happen.

  • northforkwings

    Wow and fusion power is only 10 years away! Peak oil, remember that one? Pulled our rental skidsteer down out of the mountains today weight 11,900 lbs 20% grades 4×4 road. Try that in your pos electric go cart. Think I’ll keep the 490 hp Ford!
    Where do these people have their heads? Oh yeah, sorry it is pretty dark in there, the smell also distorts their thinking!

    • JoeDisqus56

      There’ll be 490 hp electric go carts you can rent for a little more than the regular ones. Don’t worry.

      • Grand2833

        You know nothing about automobiles or trucks. I suspect you know even less about those electric go carts. I don’t mind you indulging your liberal fantasies, but don’t try to force them on the rest of us.

        • JoeDisqus56

          won’t have to. The vast majority of people will recognize the value and your 490 diesel will become a specialty item that costs 5x what it does now. You’ll either have to keep an ancient one running or accept the electric replacement.

    • yarpos .

      If pulling power is your core argument you have lost, very high torque from zero revs is one of the features of electric vehicles. There are many othe practical reasons current generation EVs fall short, especially for you kind of needs.

      • northforkwings

        Weight range 3 min refueling you might call it real muscle. Not happening with batteries.

        • yarpos .

          can only agree 🙂

  • JasonX

    Dumb. If I want to go somewhere I want my own vehicle at my own time to take me there not some government funded stupid system

  • Rob

    I want my flying car. We were supposed to have flying cars in the year 2000.

  • auh2064

    Alright, so what if I want to go hiking in the mountains? Will the magic electric car take me to the trailhead and be back to pick me up afterwards?

    • JasonX

      No, it will only take you to your local Starbucks and back.

      • David169

        Who still buys at Starbucks after the insult to our military?

        • Rob

          liberals

  • KevTuck

    Yeah, but will I look cool cruising the block in it?

  • grassy knoll ✓ᴰᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ
    • Grand2833

      God bless you, that is just too funny! I needed a good laugh and that did it. Thanks.

    • juanjeremy2012

      THATS HILARIOUS IM SITTING HERE LAUGHING AND JERKING MY CHICKEN AT THAT

  • disqus_rhGhEfUHvy

    According to this report we don’t need to do anything about “Global Warming”,
    Climate Change” or whatever they want to call it since this will take care of the problem all on its own.

  • auh2064

    Will the magic electric car have a trailer hitch so it can haul my boat to the lake?

  • dltaylor51

    WE’LL just let the democrats be shuttled around in electric gumball machines while the rest of us drive our cars where and whenever we decide.

  • Throwback 59

    To paraphrase a famous saying in the US: they will take my car when they pry my cold dead hands from the steering wheel.

  • Cary Michael Cox

    Hey mate – where are you going to get all of this electricity for these little A-EVs?

    Solar accounts for only 1% of electric generation worldwide you stupid bloke. In 13 years solar and I’ll throw in wind are going to ramp-up to replace all coal/natural gas/hydro, and nuke power?

    These two sources are unreliable to sustain your Utopian Dream.

    Have you heard of planed-obsolescence? No company makes anything that lasts forever for a reason. Even Elon Musk.

    Maybe they should have you write the comics and leave business to the big-boys at the table.

    I could go on and on about the fallacies of your article, but you are not worth it.

    You want to put some cash down on your prediction?

    Cary Michael Cox

    • Grand2833

      Great comment.

  • R Davis

    A textbook I had about 16 years ago stated boldly that Honda would not be a major maker of cars in just a few years but would continue to build engines. Total fail, and I knew that when I read it. Same here. We’re not giving up our cars, you’d have riots.

  • David169

    I believe this prediction was made by a group of liberals smoking crack. Whoever they are they don’t know a single thought about the the way un-brainwashed American people are wrapped. I can see where this would be attractive to someone with multiple DUIs or disqualified from driving for medical reasons. To the average person this would be an insult and a nightmare. Further just like the government has manufacturers install listening and viewing systems in TVs and phones, I’m sure everything that is said or done in these cars will be recorded. Buy the way can one of these electrics haul my 14,000 pound fifth wheel trailer half way across the US?

    • auh2064

      You won’t be allowed to have a trailer. They leave too much of a carbon footprint.

      • northforkwings

        Good luck with that.

  • disqus_rhGhEfUHvy

    I think we can put as much into this report as reports in the 2000’s of Artic ice-free summers in 5-6 years, of telecommuting in the early 1990’s, a new ice age in the 1970’s and flying cars in the 1960’s.

  • Palace Dog

    Gotta love the “10 year window”. I’m still waiting for the ice age to hit that was ‘predicted’ in the 1970’s “10 year window”.

    • Mina

      Readers’ Digest had an article about 1959-60, “The Coming Ice Age”. I remember it because I presented it to the chemistry II class.

    • fcabanski

      Hopefully, the self driving cars will have either pontoons or skis, since either global warming will cause the oceans to rise or global cooling will cause an ice age.

  • uhavetobekidding

    The left is hilarious. They think if they tell us this kindofKrap enough times then we will eventually believe it. I am not going to believe any of this until I get my George Jetson solar panel flying car that was promised us.

  • grassy knoll ✓ᴰᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    They’ll still be making small block v8’s in 2030- and imagine how much hp they will produce then.

  • Flyoveryou

    Pure BS

  • Sigmund Tomas

    I thought we were all going to be under water or cooked to death by climate change. Not clear on which. Depends on which doomsday left wing loon you read.

  • northforkwings

    Bet the these guys will be the first, and only passengers on those new pilotless airliners!

  • Jack Coyote

    Millennials. You never know. But I’m not buying into this.

  • dyrwolf

    No mention of the expense of electricity cost, which are high due to conversions (at production of the electric power, and to turn that into kinetic energy, both of which are very inefficient). Who will,pay for this free stuff?

    • Grand2833

      That’s just it, they’re not free, nothing is free.

  • borgy

    I used to sit in the school library in the 60’s and read Popular Science and Popular Mechanics. They said their would be flying cars by now. WHERE ARE THE FLYING CARS!?!?

  • jack

    What a load of leftest crap.

  • 1twothree4

    Yah, suuure it will. Just like we were all gonna have flying cars by 2000. Dolts.

  • WTF?

    Regardless of the liberal zombies the media likes to show on the news. REAL Americans will NEVER give up their cars. The freedom mindset is baked into the cake, you will never be able to control us.

  • Mike Danger

    Utter nonsense. “If” everyone lived in urban mega-cities the argument might have merit however as one moves outward from the cities through the suburbs and into rural America the advantages for car ownership increases.

    Similarly the projections for the demise of the internal combustion engine are based upon unrealistic assumptions. The author needs to stay away from the kool aid…

    • Grand2833

      The author is pushing an agenda. They cite his prediction for solar energy but leave out the enormous cost of government subsidies that make it affordable for the average homeowner. It is 25,000.00 for the installation of solar cells on your roof in my state of Louisiana. The federal government has a subsidy of thirty percent (30%) and that is a federal credit of 7,500.00. The state government has a subsidy of fifty percent (50%) and that is a state credit of 12,500.00. That is a total cost of 5,000.00 for the homeowner to purchase and install solar cells on the roof of the house. Is it affordable? Only with massive government subsidies and those are paid by the hard-working taxpayers.

      • Mina

        Things could be worse in outlook, if a dem were to become pres in near future and the balance of power changes in congress. But there is a limit to what even socialists can accomplish before society breaks down. Watch Venezuela.

  • foxfire

    This will be the end of car sex as we know it. <>

    • Grand2833

      No, that would continue and the next riders would be sitting on those same seats. Not a pleasant thought…

      • David169

        As I said below the government would be recording everything said and done in these cars.

  • Suzanne

    You act like everyone drinks lattes. People drive because they like to be free and independent in the privacy of their own car. I don’t think this will happen unless it is FORCED on us by some leftist or globalist government because they believe in that nonsense of ‘climate change global warming’ and don’t believe in the freedom of the individual. Sounds like a dream some leftist New Yorker thought up because he’s never driven a car in his life and takes a taxi everywhere he goes.

  • myforest40

    BS

  • JohnnyVoxx

    Take your “self-driving” cars and shove them up your ass.

  • corax

    Hogwash. Pure envronazi hogwash

  • a_b704

    I will be 70 then. But if I can still safely drive, I will still own one. Hopefully, the same 2000 Taurus I own now, since it is paid for 😉

    • 69XLCH

      When I was young I liked new cars but I found out I didn’t like payments. Older paid for cars are fine for me. It helps being a man and a mechanic. I know it’s riskier for women.

      • a_b704

        As long as my 1990 truck, and 2000 car, keep passing the required state inspections, I will keep them. especially since I only drive about 5000 miles a year. And I know a guy at work paying $600 a month for a Mustang. LOL.

  • ezrvs1

    What a laughable load of eco-crap. Have any of these pasty faced, pencil necked, pinheads ever ventured outside the city? I think not.

  • gary schroeder

    if we make Jay Leno
    our next POTUS
    cars will stay viable forever
    i promise you that GM FORD CHRYSLER

  • 69XLCH

    Popular Mechanics said we were all gonna have flying cars by 1990 .

  • BobWhiteRevisited✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

    I don’t think so. Americans love their freedom. There is no way we give up the open road and the inherent freedom of that. Think about this plan they are concocting. Once they control travel, they control YOU. Want to go somewhere that ‘autonomous vehicle’ does not travel, then too bad for you. Who knows what all things, but this an absolute means of enslavement.

  • ezrvs1

    I will give up my car (an SUV & Pickup truck) when they pry my cold dead fingers off the steering wheel.

  • EmeraldAl

    These idiots pushing the Battery power = renewable meme.
    Battery = stored energy.
    You just add one more waste product that isn’t made from a renewable source, plus the energy to make it and dispose of it, and then move the original smokestack out of sight while adding time and further constraints to restore the vehicles ability to move.

  • MysteryMan

    So how the heck are people that actually work for a living going to bring tools and equipment from their homes to construction sites. How are farmers going to get feed, equipment, food where they need to be.
    This article forgets that for their future to be realized you first have to have the total urbanization of the entire population. A trend that is of late getting some push back from young crunchies that are starting to realize that being part of the sheeple population of a city might not be the best way to spend their lives.

    • CSATejano

      I am with ya.

      These dummies don’t think straight. They have an idea which in their minds is just wonderful and think everyone will agree with them. Of course reality kicks in and suddenly those that disagree are the enemy.

  • Dumpster

    I doubt it. These ‘reports’ are hardly every right.

  • John Doe

    Very Un-American. Only liberals will be for giving up freedom of choice. Death to Liberals. Commie bastards.

    • David169

      Apparently you have not been watching “news”. The current crop of liberals feel empowered to attack you and cause great physical harm or death if you don’t agree with them. Liberalism is a mental defect, it is an ignoring of reality and insisting upon the alternate reality in the liberals brain.

  • Harry Canyon

    I’d love to see an electric autonomous vehicle tow my boat. (Btw, it won’t be an electric autonomous boat)
    Another commie bastard we-know-what’s-best-for-everybody-else think tank wet dream.

  • John Doe

    From my cold dead hands Winston.

  • bill clintoon

    You will have to pry my auto out of my dead hands….because I LOVE driving.

  • Unbelievable

    This may work in wacko NYC but it sure ain’t gonna work where I live! I’ll never give up my freedom of owning my own vehicle.

  • Maud St James

    This is the silliest, most liberal-wishing thing I’ve ever heard. Control a person’s ability to move where and when he wants and he becomes a slave. Anyone who loves freedom, who loves choice will fight this obscenity as hard as possible. Freedom must be defended.

  • Drew

    I too am having a hard time believing this is real close to happening (in the next decade or so)….at least in places an hour or more outside of major cities. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but I don’t see people in more rural areas giving up their vehicles for this type of thing anytime soon…I mean I don’t think most rural areas and towns outside the metro areas even have Uber type services yet.

  • MysteryMan

    Freedom of movement, personal mobility … is one of the foundation principles of a free people. People that are free to move, are MUCH harder for any government to control or manipulate. Hence of the first thing any oppressive government does is restrict the movement of it’s citizens.
    First step to removing freedom of movement … control the means by which the people move.

  • David Rodolff

    Where can I get a set of those rose-colored glasses the author was wearing? Who made up those graphs? Totally unrealistic. Individually owned vehicles increasing sales steadily until 2020, and then in 4 years dropping to zero? Give me a break. I’ll always want my own vehicle.

    • john mcginnis

      Actually auto sales in general are headed for a heartbreak some where between the 2018 to 2020 model years. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-12/flood-lease-vehicles-set-wreak-havoc-new-car-sales

      • Mina

        We could have a national depression or collapse in society when SS goes broke as well as medicare and Medicaid. Then when we no longer buy from China what happens to the millions employed in the selling of junk and the collection of broken junk? No jobs and no currency. That is more realistic than not having enough personal autos or having the govt mandate and provide electric transportation.

        • john mcginnis

          As far as SS is concerned the simple fix is that the age to collect is jacked to 90yo. Poof! No Problem. But you have a improper impression of SS and the economy. SS is extractive. So it folding would be a good thing for the economy but a disaster for dependants. SS produces nothing.

  • Dannimal Ateu

    And in 8 years uber over took taxis in every city they operate in. Think about that. How long have we had taxi’s? And in 8 years most people have uber or lyft app.

    • MysteryMan

      Ubers are taxis from an operational point of view. No difference. Merely a different technology to put the customer in touch with the service.

      • glamdeluxe

        Don’t ruin his liberal dementia.

  • glamdeluxe

    What a load of poop. I guess these people never go to rural areas, third world countries etc.

  • lopagus1

    gosh…by 2030 i’ll be 70. hopefully i’ll still be alive. i’ll still own a car, and my harley?…well, i’ll give up my harley when you pry it from my cold, dead [email protected]@!!!

  • BillyBobThorton

    Not gonna happen. The cost will not be less the owning your own car. Let’s put it this way. You can buy perfectly good transportation for under 10k that will last 10 years. So 1000 a yr. plus maintenance+gas+insurance. Worst case $2400 a year. No way you can use autonomous taxis for that amount and have anywhere near the convenience level.

  • Recall ads from the 50’s of driverless cars with mom, dad and 2.2 kids playing board game in the back of the cars. Hasn’t happened and hope I DEROS before it happens.

  • SNAKESRULE

    I have a 2015 tacoma…i guarangodamtee I’ll have it in 2030.

  • +One

    According to Popular Mechanics when I was a kid, we all should have had flying cars by now.
    Imagine the tremendous taxes the government will levy against these fleets of electric cars. No more road tax from fuel, no huge base of car ownership paying registration fees,etc.

    That latte will cost $20, and the ride will cost $50. They forgot to factor in inflation….but on the bright side, you’ll be earning $15/hour…..

  • ObamaReally Suucks

    total bullshit…….do you want to sit in a “car” that some crack head whore just got out of,,,,and she is wearing no panties and has 3 different sexuallly transmitted DISEASES ????
    THAT my friends is a REAL possiblity

  • lopagus1

    what good would a car be for nancy pelosi? she’s already senile…she can’t drive. this is just the ticket for that nasty [email protected]

  • WaitingForTheStorm

    Bull crap. I live almost 15 miles from the nearest town and I use a truck for managing my property. The only way I won’t have a personal transport vehicle is if I am dead.

  • disciple2819

    Or… instead I would rather take a ride in a 1968 Firebird supercharged 400 that gets 12 miles to the gallon at best. Keep your AEV. I choose the freedom of choice.

    • john mcginnis

      1970 GTO, 400, quarter lifters, 4pack. 11mpg never passed up a gas station but the mileage was the same at 10mph or 110mph. Yeah baby! Sorry I ever sold that car.

  • posse rush

    Nothing more than another system of control .. NO THANKS >>>

  • john mcginnis

    The author/think tank is combining two factors and assumes they both must occur together. That is false. The two techs:
    a) Autonomous electric vehicles.
    b) Sharing said vehicle as the dominant mode of travel.

    (a) Can be quite successful without the need for (b) to be a factor. Fact the same tech that will make the electric vehicle less expensive would also be true for private ownership.

    (b) is already operating at one level, Uber and Lyft. But what makes Uber/Lyft is the fact that they are not paying for the burden of capitalization of the product (aka car) the user operator is. That changes a business model radically if they are buying the product. Compare the cost of Uber vs Hertz for say the same 50mi ride.

    The author also makes another critical miscalculation — Most of the major urban centers in this country already have public transport. AEVs will not change that picture much vs say taking SEPTA, BART, MARTA, etc. Finally there is the factor that won’t change at all. Getting into the public AEV that previous ride little johnny barfed all over the back seat will continue the experience NYers face every day.

    Besides, why not continue the Uber model with AEVs? I buy one, I turn it loose to earn money for me, but block out the time slots that I need it for. I make money for ME, not pay to someone else.

  • Rick Carlton

    To paraphrase George Carlin; “bull crap.” Wait until the hazmat maintenance crisis associated with worn out Li-ION batteries finally bubbles up. That’ll be a real electric moment to be sure! (sarc off).

  • allhaileris

    This can’t possibly hold true outside the large cities of the world. People who live and work in them have zero clue what life is like for everyone who doesn’t live that way.

  • Dazeez5555

    And people who don’t live in the major cities would do what? Come on, is this propaganda paid for by electric and driverless car companies? I guess they need more government money.

  • Scott Dailey

    This was obviously written by left coast idiots. The middle of the country does not look like New York City.

  • Jeff Teague

    Seems to me I recall an old saying,” There’s no such thing as a free ride.” The Lure of another “free” government program will get rid of your independent mobility. What about paying off a car and owning it free and clear for five years without payments. Personally I’ll keep my wheels for as long as the government allows me to drive.

  • tree207

    Manufacturers are now arguing that the consumer who “purchases” anything which requires extensive software for onboard computers to operate, does not “own” the item, but owns only the right (privilege) to operate that item.

    Regulation will force repair of vehicles to be done by only authorized agents due to the ownership rights of the inherent software contained in the vehicles. Expect the manufacturers to lobby successfully for the prohibition of the use of pre software vehicles (the ones an individual can keep in operation by themselves).

    • john mcginnis

      expect hell, that is already happened with farm tractors.

      • tree207

        Thank you. Another bit of news that is not in the news.

  • Tim Brown

    Bullcrud. I will never let a friggin computer drive me. The damn ones we have at work don’t work half the time as it is. And this BS about free rides..yeah for welfare people who get everything for free now anyway

  • Jon Rice

    Get serious….

  • So why aren’t trains and light rail more popular? I don’t look forward to the day when I’m forced to ride in an electric soda can that smells like weed, body odor, or having to find urine and feces in there from the last homeless guy who got a ride.

    No thanks, cars mean freedom and it’s that freedom that keep people buying them. I’ll stick with my 17mpg truck and be happy.

  • steven reynolds

    So, will I be able to call one of these to take me down the 60+ miles of beach on the Padre Island national sea shore? I think I will keep my 4×4 suburban tyvm anyway.

  • jtom

    Another idiot with a forecast. Where does one start with this absurdity? Ok, consider the impact on the grid if even a significant fraction are electric. (And a solar and wind powered grid, you say!!). Just why should some company pay for my daily work commute, in any type of vehicle? What about my drive to see the inlaws – 900 miles away? Now, what are the minimum requirements for this to happen: breakthrough in battery technology (been waiting fifty years for that. No breakthrough, just small, incrimental improvements). Autonomous cars. Might work in the city in limited situations, not in the ‘burbs (would they ‘see’ that school crossing guard holding up the stop sign?). Then you need a change in human behavior. Having a car gives one a feeling of control, and many ENJOY driving. How much capital would be required to bring this change over? I have two cars, one is twenty years old, the other, sixteen. If I bought a car in the next decade, which I will, I would not replace it in thirteen years.

    This forecast is too stupid to even be stupid. It’s worse than the mind-numbing forecast that a stable and reliable solar and wind powered electrical grid could be achieved anywhere near as cheaply as fossil fuel generating plants.

    • BobJohnson994

      Its because they have stock in some company and they are writing as someone else.

  • Zigger

    Completely unrealistic.

  • Jeff Teague

    Agenda 21…. Everyone will live in big cities.. the rest of the world will look like Road Warrior Thunderdome….. Yeehaw!

    • HankWil74

      There won’t be any farmers left; but the plants will become sentient and grow themselves… it’ll be awesome!

    • David169

      Agenda 21 isn’t very popular. I saw some targets for sale that were blue helmets.

  • 55_Angus

    I see it working on a limited basis for city dwellers, but how the heck am I gonna pile a group of kids and their camping gear into a robot driven thing to go camping out in a national forest somewhere ? Need a ‘burb for that ,

    • Jeff Teague

      At that point they will not want you to leave the City reservation. You might damage the wild life. Besides, the carbon tax would be out of this world. Your presence would be offensive to animals and animal rights activists everyplace would be on your butt for breathing the air! Cultural appropriation of animals is not cool. And living in the wild is beautiful for the people in the Amazon but not you baby. Be thankful for your 10 foot square cubicle apartment that they’re going to give you and free ride in a tin can, keep your mouth closed.

      • steven reynolds

        OMGawd, im so glad i’m in my final years of life.

        • Jeff Teague

          Hahaha

  • BobJohnson994

    This article was written by people that have an investment interest in driverless cars.

  • Dee Gee

    It reminds us prediction five years back, that polar cups are going to melt and the ocean water will flood costal areas. One polar cup melt partial, the other got thicker,
    costal areas are not flooded. Solar is fantastic, why Tesla is using dirty power
    from coal ? Factory should be disconnected from grid and run on solar power
    year around. How many thousands tons of coal Tesla uses to produce so called clean car ? We can say that death of cars will be here, if Tesla produces solar
    locomotive which will pull 600 tons on regular basis in any train and weather, any place.

  • Garys_opinion

    They have been predicting it for years, along with dropping a pill in the gas tank and adding water.
    Years ago, when the automobile industry first started, my grandfather owned a blacksmith shop in Ligonier, Pa. where he shod horses. One day a man stopped by and offered him the Ford franchise for the area. My grandfather told him “No, those things will never catch on”.
    Nobody knows what the future holds.

  • Ratcraft

    I live in liberal utopia. Just north of Seattle. I am 4.8 miles from work. Still no busses. Drive, ride my motorcycle or bicycle. No bus. I take a busy 4 lane road for 4.4 miles of that distance. No bus. Real busy stretch of road, no bus. It’s laughable. Yet in 13 years the grid will be full of electric powered free transports to anywhere anytime? Okay, yeah sure.

  • StandingO

    Garbage. Get a horse.

  • zero2sixty™ Trumpturd King

    I love my solar, my bill went from $475 per month down to $0

    • Grand2833

      No, don’t believe that. Lots of solar going up with government subsidies, no one is saying their monthly bill is going down to zero. Oh, and, by the way, what is the life expectancy for that solar cell array on your roof? Isn’t it about ten years if you’re lucky? After that you’re back on the grid or purchasing another system. Better hope they still have those government subsidies when you go to replace those solar cells.

      • zero2sixty™ Trumpturd King

        I dont need your belief or OK, just wish i would of done solar sooner…

  • Scott Davis

    ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

    Good luck getting the key for my Challenger off of me!

  • RIR fan

    Let’s put it this way. When I want to go, I don’t want to wait. I’ll be buying a new VW GTI or Focus RS soon, and I can’t wait to whip past creaky electric cars driving snowflakes around. Like a Grand Prix every time you hit the road, and you always win.

    • Scott Davis

      My challenger is just as quick as the 69 camero ss I had before it… much better gas mileage. But I pity the fool in the Smart Car.

  • Zorro

    Just as NASTY as taking the Subway in New York or Greyhound anywhere. Public Transportation is FILTHY!

    • Scott Davis

      Take the metro in London — you’ll end up with black snot the next day. And that was 15 years ago…

  • KevinF

    This isn’t a “major new report”, it’s nothing but pure hype and obvious nonsense.

    • Grand2833

      Thank you for that bit of common sense.

  • odysseus660

    Let me guess. More car pools. My family will sit with some other loud rude people on cell phones. I love this left wing garbage.

  • carlos

    We are getting closer to enjoying a ride in The Jetsons car.

    • steven reynolds

      It will be more like the Jetsons dumpster…enjoy the ride.

      • carlos

        Jetsons didn’t have a dumpster but thanks for being snarky.

        • steven reynolds

          Git out of toon town and join the real world and think about how nasty these things will be.

          • carlos

            The world is going to hell. Enjoy the ride and a beer. Have a nice day.

          • steven reynolds

            Wow,, I agree with you 100 %

  • Mike .

    I ride a motorcycle. What happens to those? Will a riderless bike appear at my doorstep ready for me to hop on the back?

  • Beaver Eater

    Everyone will be fitted with their own personal baby stroller if we keep electing these freaking control freaks.

  • Samster

    Not if we the people have any say. Wishful thinking from the NWO wanting to have us all in mass transit cattle cars–won’t happen if we remain free.

  • ibeshrinkwrapped

    bull shit.

  • FreeToChoose

    Idiots…..

  • Ralloh

    Thirteen years? Bull pucky. They will have to pry my steering wheel from my cold dead hands.

  • Wally

    A city in 13 years like Chicago, NY or LA? There will be nobody left except MS-13, black gangs and a few die hard gays and trendies. Trust me fly over country will still have big blocks and duallys rolling the coal.

  • Jeve Stones

    Total BS. This might work in major cities, but much later than 2030. This article forgets that demand drives markets. Will people give up the freedom that comes with vehicle ownership? Not in this lifetime. My favorite places to drive and frequent are dirt roads that aren’t on any GPS, and without electricity. It’s my opinion that people will reject this technology, environment be damned. The internal combustion engine is freedom.

  • Katz P. Ajamas

    predicts that the everyone will have a job by 2030. While robots do all the complicated work, everyone else, as part of a government mandated fitness program, will take turns powering the public rickshaw network.

  • biggerbeerfan

    “…a free ride because the local government has decided to make transport easier.”

    Hmm, seems like I’ve heard advice – or something – about being offered a “free ride”???

    • carlos

      If you like your car..you can keep your car.

  • Western

    You are an idiot. What a maroon.

  • Mr Happy Man

    That is 12 1/2 years away. I bought my last car that I just got rid of 13 years ago. Ie, my time of ownership is longer than this future scenario.
    So what does all this mean? That means I don’t buy it. 12 1/2 years isn’t a very long time. Especially given that AI has a lot of bugs to work out, as well as the fear of hacking.
    Futurists have been dramatically wrong repeatedly in the past. If one sees the exhibits and promises of the 1962 World’s Fair, which was all about futurism, we can see that the today is considerably different than what they predicted that 50 years from that date would be. The world of today resembles the world of 1962 much more than it resembles the world of the Jetsons. The thing that futurists repeatedly fail to grasp is that the average person simply doesn’t embrace every single innovation that comes along. Except in Seattle or Silicon Valley, the average person adapts to innovation only when necessary to do so – as that is when we can afford to do it. Which is why the world doesn’t look anything like the futurists predict.

    • rentslave

      They didn’t realize that the Democrats’ 3-E-Egregious Egalitarian Equation would drain away precious resources that would have made that future possible.

  • rentslave

    With all of the new parts I’ve put into my 1998 Cavalier,it should last until 2030.

    • JRS

      I had a Cav in ’93. That thing was a champ. Nothing to look at it ‘Chick Magnet’ but boy it got me there. That’s your thesis!

  • LAURA KEY

    Who and how will cattle be hauled from farm to farm? How will hay and feed be hauled? How will building supplies for barns, homes and fences? How about hauling new construction supplies?
    The snowflakes think it is all about them….. because they have tunnel vision. Farmers and ranchers have WIDER vistas.

    • steven reynolds

      Shut up and eat your salad. And don’t e v e n think about cutting down a tree to build a n y t h i n g

  • Ontime

    What if I want to go camping with my family amd we have a bunch of gear and the dog? How about when I drive out into the desert ro go shooting? How about when I need to replace part of a roof for my home or buy sheet material that is 4×8, or even buy and bring home 40 bags of concreat to pour a new slab for a shed? How about if a newborn just wont go to sleep at 3:30 am and you want to take them for a soothing drive?

    • rentslave

      They think that everyone is a Democrat.

  • Karen Callahan

    Government would love it that people didn’t have their own personal cars. It is just one more step to a totalitarian government. Take away people’s freedom to drive where they want, when they want in their own personal cars. Control transportation, you control when and where citizens can go.

  • Ge0ffrey

    Cowpie

  • Stuck_in_Ca√→

    I will be buried in my Camaro and that will happen well beyond 2030.

    • steven reynolds

      I’m going to go out Bonnie and Clyde style in my suburban.

    • JRS

      F ya! So cool.

  • Look787

    No one knows what 2030 is going to bring. Who knows, America might be in a Civil War by then

    • rentslave

      We’re not now?

    • carlos

      2030: President Ivanka Trump.

  • FloatingIdeas

    This is a great dream for people who live, work, go to school, and stay within a 10-20 mile area. This will do nothing for long-distance commuters, unless carpool options and school bus tactics are used.

    The major issues are people who enjoy life. Camping, long drives, motorcycles, beach goers, vacation people who would rather spend a couple hundred dollars driving to Disney rather than spending thousands flying.

    Keep your utopian style of being a lemming, follow everybody else like in the movie “Lego Movie,” and I will laugh as I drive by.

    The only thing that would entice me is having auto-pilot set to GPS. That would be a much nicer reality.

    • FloatingIdeas

      Just keep singing “everything is awesome”

      • carlos

        Ray Stevens “Everything is beautiful”

        • FloatingIdeas

          The streak

          • carlos

            He was a hit maker.

          • steven reynolds

            Grampa voted democrat

    • rentslave

      I do 95 per cent of my driving in a 10-20 mile area but this nonsense won’t help me.Tomorrow,I’ll drive to the barber shop,then get some milk at the store,then go home to change,then drive to the high school track,then drive to the gym,then drive home.What would that service cost?

      • FloatingIdeas

        Oh….. it will be absolutely free. In fact, they will have cars deliver that stuff to you.

        • FloatingIdeas

          The government will create even more sponges than they already have

  • MikeR

    Fake news.

    • JRS

      The scary thing here is this genius got a tax payer paid grant to create this dreck. The Aussies are much tougher than this. Step up mates.

  • MrClean417

    It’s the same problem with all things socialist. everyone will only take what they need. Right? Hasn’t worked yet, ever but the high and mighty still keep trying. I like the last line that deals with those of us in the suburbs.
    “Even in suburban and rural areas, where wait times and cost might be
    slightly higher, adoption is likely to be more extensive than generally
    forecast because of the greater impact of cost savings on lower incomes”
    Ya, when we take away everyone’s job and decide how much money they should get while working in the gulag, they’ll realize they will ride what we tell them. After all, we’re gutting their paycheck.
    And I used to think the absolute lunacy of the world portrayed in “Rollerball” was a hoot. 7 or 8 ultra wealthy men controlling the whole world. Only if the college trained sheep allow them.

  • Bob Loblaw

    Thanks, but I’ll keep my car. Idiots.

  • Dave Williams

    You can’t get GDP growth when all you are doing is replacing something with something else. And guess what , MORON, it will never happen in your lifetime or mine.

  • GabbaGabba

    I had the unfortunate opportunity to go to Denver last week. You would not believe the mass of cracker box, single unit, socialist utopian dwellings that are going up there. For those sheep who live their lives according to the globalist, central planners edict, when things go south, and you do not have wheels with which to high-tail it out of your wonderfully diverse cities, you will succumb to them. Bigly.

    • rentslave

      If they hack the EBT system,there will be many mini-Mogadishus popping up.

  • Brad

    All you people dismissing this aren’t just wrong. You’re incredibly wrong. You’ll give up your car voluntarily because the benefits will be enormous. Even more so for autonomous driving.

    • Pakvi Roti

      No I will not. Never.

    • steven reynolds

      Name one benefit?

      • Jack Hammer

        Less people die on the roadways

        • steven reynolds

          Prove it.

          • Jack Hammer

            Less morons driving = less morons running into cars and people. common sense

          • steven reynolds

            so these tin cans are perfectly capable of never having accidents?

          • Jack Hammer

            They have already been tested and have shown to be FAR safer than human drivers.

          • steven reynolds

            They are crashing all the freakin time

          • Jack Hammer

            No they aren’t. The rate of crashes or driver error is a fraction of humans.

          • steven reynolds

            Yes they are. Besides, crashing is just a price we pay for one of our freedoms. I guess you dont care about freedoms. If this is such a grand idea, have you given up driving yet?

          • Jack Hammer

            30k people are killed on the road every year, many more are injured. The cost is high. driverless cars have already been tested and the rate of accidents is FAR less than humans. Go research it yourself.

          • steven reynolds

            Im not going to worry about it . Not happening in my life time anyway.

          • Jack Hammer

            The rate of technological advancement doubles every few years now.

          • GabbaGabba

            How rich is it that you misspelled ‘common sense’?

          • Jack Hammer

            Ad hominem attacks are used by people that can’t make factual points.

          • GabbaGabba

            I’m not rebutting your point. I’m pointing out your initial misspelling. And the fact is, you incorrectly spelled the word ‘common sense’ when seeking to rebut Steven Reynolds while calling other people ‘morons’. Glad you corrected it. Now this thread is about nothing. Have a great night.

          • Jack Hammer

            Drunk Driving fatalities and crashes would be reduced significantly. No question

      • Brad

        Someone/thing else takes care of maintenance.

        Someone/thing else cleans it.

        Someone/thing else fuels it.

        You only pay for as much car as you use. No more than that.

        You can use different cars depending on your immediate need.

        That’s 5.

        • steven reynolds

          I enjoy doing my own maintenance. Public transportation will never never come close to the cleanliness of my cars and trucks. I have different vehicles to handle the needs of the task at hand.
          Nice try.

          • Brad

            You’re free to pay two or three times in order to have multiple vehicles. Most people won’t because they’d rather not waste money on depreciating assets.

            Why do your own maintenance when you can share the costs with several other people? It’s a waste of your time/money.

            If you want a cleaner car, you can pay for the better car service. That’s called capitalism. If someone wants a cleaner car someone will provide that service.

            You haven’t even begun to think this through.

          • steven reynolds

            you did not need to go past your first sentence. By the time you got to paragraph 2.. I see you are a good lil socialist.

          • Brad

            That’a not socialism. That’s the market providing something better (smarter) than individual ownership and people drivers. Capitamism will bring this regardless of what public transportation does.

            I’m not a socialist. I’m a capitalist, but in order to argue you have to name call.

          • steven reynolds

            It’s socialism if you force others to participate in your plan of sharing this and that. Name calling is a lot different than calling you out on ideology..

          • Brad

            I named several that will apply to 90% of people. You may be an exception. But even that’s unlikely.

          • steven reynolds

            This idea might be a good fit for the new generation of people these days. Hard to find someone over 25 that has ever even added air to a tire, or knows how.

    • JRS

      Blw me. You can pry me from my GTO.

    • Jack Hammer

      People are idiots on the road. This would save thousands of lives per year.

    • GabbaGabba

      You have an absolutely incorrect perspective on the American psyche. It’ll take generations of brainwashing to breed the car lover out of Americans. It’s in our blood. The Europeans will likely submit to this foolishness and loss of freedom (that is, after all what a car provides. Freedom) but V8 is STILL a religion to many and I’m not talking about the vegetable drink.
      I’ve never seen a Fast and Furious movie. But it’s pretty obvious, the next generation isn’t buying this Prius, battery powered crap any more than mine did. Muscle car sales are through the roof.

      • JRS

        God bless you GG.

        • GabbaGabba

          Vroom, vroom, JRS. You too.

  • nope.

  • Jack Hammer

    This sounds inevitable. You are all faggots

    • steven reynolds

      Ya know, words like that can get you arrested these days.

  • Spazzz

    In 1970, Popular Mechanics said we’d all be flying helicopters by the turn of the century….

    • Jack Hammer

      Yeah but the Technology is here right now. It’ll happen

      • JRS

        Jack: I usually refrain from calling someone out: You have a cool handle and are probably a righteous dude/dudette. Live up to your name. Go buy a Mustang or something. Live a fulfilled life. No matter how short.

        • Jack Hammer

          If you need a car to fulfill you then you more serious problems. I can be cool and content with nothing or with everything

          • JRS

            Best success then.

  • Greg

    Until cars can be charged up for free by the sun electric cars being any kind of significant mode of transportation is just wishful thinking.

    • Jack Hammer

      New road technology allows you to charge your car as you drive. The UK is going to use it,

      • Info warrior E

        Will it tow my boat to the lake and back without a charge?

        • Jack Hammer
          • Info warrior E

            Sorry to burst your bubble but not one of these vehicles can pull a damn thing! You think they can pull the roof off my tesla so I can pull my fifth wheel as well?

          • Jack Hammer

            The benefit for society would be exponential. You’ll go along like everybody else.

          • Info warrior E

            I don’t want to be like anybody else ever ewwww. I see these tech nerds riding in mini cars while I’m sitting in my truck cracking up at them and wondering why the male has devolved into a square!

          • Jack Hammer

            The technology is apolitical. These type of advancements will help do away with all of the left vs right nonsense that never ends.

          • Info warrior E

            So your all for cutting everybody’s penis and clits off so there is no difference? Sorry man but ever heard of different strokes for different folks? Nobody wants to conform and nobody wants to be like everyone else. We want to make different amounts of money, we want to drink different kinds of beer, we want three brands of trucks to buy, and we want freedom! It’s odd that tech people or just weirdos in general actually think you can provide a single income to everybody and force them to live like a robot. Not gonna happen to many people will take advantage of every little part of tech till it collapses it’s called finding loopholes in stupid technology. This is why some people don’t use conformist sites like Facebook or instagram, it’s why some choose to put zero info out there for others to see. I go camping and boating I’m an American that travels I don’t sit in solidarity in a big city I think city boys don’t know much about anything. I’ll take my freedom and guns over anything this communist leftist ideology can provide. When the chips come for your wrists I’ll take the bullet!

          • Jack Hammer

            non-conformity is another form of conformity. Just look at all of the technology people use now. 20 years lots of “non-conformists” said they’d never get a cell phone, then they said they’d never get a smart phone. Automation will do away with a lot of jobs in the near future. a lot of people will end up unemployable. So unless you want to 3rd world crime rates in your neighborhood a universal basic income. Eventually Technology will make money obsolete

    • JRS

      Hell, how are they going to charge them in CA? Home of the dipstick, land of the utility challenged.

  • juanjeremy2012

    THIS IS ALL A PLAN TO CONTROL OUT LIVES AND MAKE US MORE DEPENDENT ON CORPORATIONS. I DONT KNOW ANYONE THAT WANTS A SELF DRIVEN CAR OR WHO WANTS THEIR DRIVEN CAR TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM SO THEY CAN BE FORCED TO USE UBER FOR EVERYTHING THEY DO. JUST SAY “NO” TO A FUTURE OF ENSLAVEMENT BY GLOBALIST CORPORATIONS LIKE AMAZON, UBER, FACEBOOK ETC…

    • JRS

      Or frozen pizza. That sh-t is awful.

  • There is so much wrong with this study that it’s hard to know where to start. So I won’t, except to say that the premise is as flawed as the proof. If cities are not willing to confiscate the earnings of all its inhabitants, they will collapse under the weight of their own hubris and waste. Survival and freedom exist in small units – small cities, towns, hamlets, and crossroads. Now, if you want to discuss hovercraft over current vehicles, THAT’S a conversation we can have.

  • Info warrior E

    So this ride hailing service is gonna bring a one ton electric truck To my house and tow my boat to the lake for free? Hahah yeah they would truly love to conform Americans into their sick ideals of teaching children about tranny’s and giving us a ride in a vehicle expected to crash roughly two miles down the road. Tech is dying if you can’t see that then stop writing articles about it!

  • KevinF

    I actually used to be an automotive market research analyst — one of the few in the world in my field, in fact. So let me explain what IMHO is the purpose of such a hyperbolic report as this. It’s NOT to accurately predict what will be happening in ten years. The purpose of this report, I’d say, is to fill a market demand for reports predicting what this report predicts. There are entrepreneurs in the field of self-driving cars and related “TaaS” ideas who are trying to pull money from venture capitalists or bankers; there are companies trying to get money or acquisitions from Investment bankers; there are even humble managers trying to push ideas in their corporations.

    What these folks are looking for is some apparently objective, third-party analyst providing “evidence” for their own wacky idea. No one actually thinks market research analysts have a crystal ball. It’s simply 3rd-party ammunition for your argument. If you can write such a report, you can sell it to these desperate people. I used to sell reports for $10,000 or more — literally emailing out the PDF file to customers as my deliverable — and my reports were merely sensible reports for middle managers forecasting slight changes in this or that market. Imagine what you can do in today’s tech-bubble market to these bro-entrepreneurs.

    So here we have a report predicting that the 260 million light vehicles currently in operation will be abandoned by EVERYONE within a few years. That the 17 million cars a year US new-car market will totally evaporate to zero in just a few years. That not only hipsters in San Francisco but also rednecks in Arkansas will lose all interest in vehicle ownership and rely on Uber to get around. Based on what actual evidence? None. Based on what trend? None. Don’t worry, this report will serve its purpose and sucker dumb journalists needing an article and venture capitalists who are spraying-and-praying money to every idea in sight. But, no one expects rational people to believe any of this horse shit.

    • Info warrior E

      Most sensible explanation made!

    • JRS

      Let’s boil it down. Like every other left wing, elitist prediction, they punt it out there 30-50 years because they will be DEAD when the time comes and proves their theories wrong! (In the interim, our tax dollars fund these douche canoes).

    • fcabanski

      You hit the nail on the head.

  • TAG

    I live in a 100% cellular coverage service area negatively impacted by terrain. There are NO DISCOUNTS for that.

    Population 550. Nearest grocery store 6.8 miles on pavement. Humans outnumbered by cows by factor of five.

    I have to drive over two miles to call 911 and even then get “network failure” errors.

    Tell me about all this tech advancement

    • Info warrior E

      Sounds like you have the life.

  • Shawn Lerch

    Here we go! More social engineering by presenting absolute BS as “science”. Must be the same scientists that told us 30 years ago we would be a giant block of ice, and the same scientists that 20 years ago said New York would be under water. Now those charletons say it’s “Climate Change”. Same hoax, BS, propaganda scam science playbook for 30 years

    • carlos

      “Climate Change”.

      They’re already trying to get carbon taxes passed. That will hurt drivers even more with taxes for emissions. Guilt some into giving up the car because “the car industry has a fever”

  • konc2

    These people have to be the most stupid carbon life forms on the planet, they obviously don’t live out in middle and rural America, so all of their ignorant blather is just that, blather.

    • JRS

      Freedom Konc. Enough said.

  • NYC1977

    The heck with that. I love old cars and will never give them up.

    • Info warrior E

      Here here

  • Jose Alverez

    Pretty funny, but maybe in New Joke City or Washington D.C..
    Written by another little ivory tower cretin.

  • Rogertc1

    In the North country electric cars do not do well making a 75 mile trip at 10 below zero. Why are there no underground subways in Lincoln Nebraska?

    • Info warrior E

      Because trucks, mud tires, and freedom! God bless America!

      • JRS

        And jumper cables! The bigger the better!

  • Nashville Jam

    Seems hard to imagine now, but it makes sense to me. The one thing that doesn’t quite jibe is that it means a dramatic reduction in fossil fuel consumption. Electricity doesn’t grow on trees, it’s generated. Today, most of that generation comes from fossil fuels. That will continue to be the case for a long time to come because, as the author of the article points out over and over, lower cost is the main factor influencing consumer choice. And alternatives to fossil fuels will never be cheaper, without hidden costs like subsidies, especially if they are scaled up to try and capture a much larger share of total power generation because at that point the so-far hidden problems of trying to generate, retain and distribute power on a massive scale will become evident.

  • RegisteredDemocrat

    How about the compared maintenance costs? Because I just spent $6300 to replace the battery pack in my wifes Leaf. That would last nearly 10 years of fuel + oil changes for my Fiesta which routinely gets 45mpg.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m a firm believer that all vehicles should be government owned and operated (100% autonomous of course) in the long run. Citizens should only have the privilege of ride-sharing or taking mass transit.

    • Info warrior E

      Why should people be robots?

    • Info warrior E

      Why should we be communist America?

    • headachecured

      You actually admit to being a moron?

      • Leone

        Check his fake username and upvote record…We’ve seen this Lefty troll before…A frequent flier moron for sure.

    • Info warrior E

      Ride sharing or buses are not a privelage it’s a punishment

  • JV

    In 1963 they also predicted flying cars by 1980

    • headachecured

      Dam! I want my flying car!!!

    • Leone

      We actually had flying cars in 1980…But nobody wanted to buy them…Where do you land? It’s a long crowded drive from the nearest airport…Just as soon drive straight home…Just saying.

  • I already don’t own a car, it’s useless to me since I own a truck. Living in the country things are different, and we don’t care how they do things in asphalt alley.

    • Info warrior E

      God bless you

  • Rogertc1

    Transporters like on Star Trek will eliminate the need for any vehicles by 2031. I read this on the internet.

    • AC7880

      Nano Nano.

    • Mina

      Of course, then, that makes it true.

  • Leone

    I call BS….Nobody is giving up their cars or their freedom to travel, at will, except the city dwelling metrosexual Left….And most of them already take taxis.

    Personally, I prefer my pickup truck for its towing capacity and utility…But to each their own.

    • Mina

      I have three large piles of limbs and twigs in the back yard ready to haul to the land fill to be composted to produce natural gas to power Atlanta City vehicles. Mayor of Atlanta “Mr Toonerville Trolley” now says he wants every city vehicle to run on natural gas by some future year. Hopefully we can vote that socialist out and he can move to California. I can’t put the piles in the front, because there is not enough space between the mail box and the new construction next door. So, I guess I’ll have to wait for an electric self-driving truck to come along and what…?

  • AC7880

    Yeah right. In only 13 years most cars will be gone. LOL!!! Who believes this kind of tripe?

  • paganpink

    I would bet 50 thousand dollars that this prediction- LIKE SOLAR- will not happen! And the notion that increasingly complex self driving vehicles will virtually last forever is nothing short of idiotic. The cost and benefits of the extraordinary energy density of fossil fuels has beaten silly forecasters like this fellow decade after decade. We still have less then 1% electric vehicles on the road after expending more then a trillion dollars of tax payers money pushing them in the last decade alone. Fake news. Fake scirnce. Fake predictions!

  • headachecured

    BS!

  • JDSoCal

    “Enormous uptake of solar”? On what planet is that, LOL.

  • Info warrior E

    When the left want you to conform so badly ask yourself why.

    • Bernard Marx

      In a word- “CONTROL” ….

      😉

  • Stephen A. Weiss

    At first glance and without finishing the report I think it’s incorrect and in areas of the United States in which I have lived TaaS is very, very impractical. In example my permanent primary residence lies in a geographically restrained physical area wherein no more than 80,000 people reside over an area approximately 20 miles wide measured North to South and 100 miles long East to West separated by a major river ranging in width from as little as 200 yards and as wide as one mile with no more than 7 bridges in total. An additional factor working against a prophecy such as this report is an extremely high character trait of individualism and practical situations such as the occasion in which an individual has need for emergency medical transportation to one of the three hospitals over the entire area.

  • ohiograndma

    This article reveals a complete misunderstanding of how rural areas operate.

  • tvor03

    “By 1963, we will have a dozen permanent colonies on the moon… “

    • Bernard Marx

      Sure! And it will look like “Space 1999″….

      😉

  • NoMoreMrNiceGuy

    No one will be eating sandwiches in 2030.

  • T E Lawrence

    I will be 82 in 2030, probably legally blind & I wont give a hoot!

    What difference does it make????????????

  • Gordon Fraser

    They’d have to pry my car from my dead fingers. I concede gov may force it upon the city dwellers but they bloody deserve it.

  • Maria-Erlinda Martinez

    Like “The Cloud” (i.e., the more than three decades old dream of Oracle’s Larry Ellison, of replacing personal, autonomous, computers into dumb-terminals hooked to servers that will host all what those terminals will request…if allowed by the powers that be, which one day could be government), this ruse of “fleet-owned transportation” is another step towards collectivization. The day government is leftist enough, it will take possession of “The Cloud” and fleet-owned transportation, along with healthcare (which is where Obamacare points to), and so forth.

    Of course, the “ultimate aim” (Marx’s) is the world as a ONE community, i.e., world communism. It is all in Marx’s and Engels’ writings; just read what those sadomasochist psychopath maniacs, and their followers, wrote, and keep writing, and pushing for…and in the process, causing terrible horrors, as what last century saw in the, thank God, Soviet Union and its satellites, Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy (fascism, and its cousin, Nazism, are forms of socialism, and any form on socialism is, in varied degrees, a steppingstone towards communism, i.e., “the ultimate aim”). Of course, despite the canard of complete equality, there will always be those who finagle creating a cusp that they escalate and become the rulers, and live like kings, while making the “masses” live like worker-ants, to which effect those rulers employ all forms of suppression, repression, and subjugation. Try to watch on Youtube the Costa-Gavras’ French movie “The Confession” (L’aveu, in French) with Yves Montand and Simone Signoret. [Gavras is an idealist communist who, however, denounces the inherent horrors committed in the name of socialism and communism.]

    Some fools still adhere to socialism and communism; which, in free societies, they are unrestrained. But the huge problem is that in their maniacal pursuit of their sadomasochistic utopia, they will keep harming millions and millions. But they are very cunning; for example, they call themselves “progressives”, term which has is origin in this context, in Marx’s contention that humanity is, per his distorted materialistic dialectic interpretation of humanity’s past and present, and envision of its future, humanity is inevitably “progressing” toward his version of socialism, as a inevitable steppingstone toward “the ultimate aim”, his version of communism.

    Don’t be fooled by those who call themselves “progressive” knowing very-well what the term means (e.g., Hillary, Obama, Van Jones, Richard Durbin, Elizabeth Warren, and thousands of others in the ideology/doctrine/praxis nucleus of the Democrat Party…which should not to be confounded with the DNC, although the two overlap to some extent). Many ignoramuses pick the term “progressive” and tag it upon themselves out of their crass ignorance, as, a prima face, it sounds very attractive. Rest assured that is not as real progress, as in science, medicine, engineering, technology, etc; it is “progress” to proto-human kind of life, if that can be called living.

    Of course there are millions of bastardized free-enterprise operators who, in the pursuit of even a meager one dollar profit will help materialize Lenin’s prophesy: “The capitalists will sell us the ropes with which we will hang them.”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0fdaba04c230295e8728902e2338d048d7684db7668a5b55f107b04bfa26ee17.jpg

  • JDH

    not going to happen….people still like to control their destiny!

  • LINYRoadKing

    Lol these are the same people who told use the polar ice caps would be gone by 2005, half the costal regions would be under water by 2010 and in the 1980’s they said within 20 years everything would be fully automated. What people have to realize is federally funded programs within tech and science have to put out exaggerated predictions to keep their grant money coming in. Will their be self driving cars probably. Will they be mandatory lol come on. You’re going to tell a rural family they have to surrender their cars and trucks to use services that will charge up the ass lol. Maybe the urban brain dead liberaltards but it will be impossible to cover the hundreds of millions who want independent free travel.

  • Bernard Marx

    “Speed is the freedom of soul”…..

    😉

  • mcc99

    On-demand transport is very attractive. But it lacks the level of convenience that pvt. car ownership provides. When ppl want to go somewhere, they want to leave immediately, typically. Waiting even 10 mins. for a ride to arrive is enough to break the system. The only rsn ppl in big cities put up with waiting for taxis and uber rides is b/c they can’t afford to own a car in that city. Being eco-conscious has nothing to do with the decision. Autonomous cars may be popular in big cities when they get loose. They may put taxis and uber drivers out of business. Fine. But don’t kid yourselves into thinking suburbanites and country folk will gladly wait 10-30 mins for an auto. car to show up to take them somewhere. Ppl may buy self-driving cars, yes, but forego ownership to wait for an auto. car to appear? This economic decision has already been made when considering taxis and ubers in suburbs and in the countryside. The ppl have already spoken. They’d rather own than wait for a car to come and get them.

  • Jane Dowe

    Bull$#it. People will still own cars. I take this article with a boulder sized grain of salt. Cars are ingrained in the psyches of Americans
    Back in 1963, these same yy5pes of people predicted thst we’d all have flying cars by 1973.

  • Done

    Retarded liberal hacks…. I forsee in 13 years the writer of this trash will be handing me my food at the DRIVE THRU….

  • oahumike

    They’ll have to pry my SUV from my cold, dead hands.

  • Old Sod

    You will see a paperless bathroom first.

  • Bernard Marx

    And by 2055 Teleportation will pull the plug on the snazzy “Autonomous Car Industry”…..

    😉

  • Freeway

    1st) I will always prefer to drive myself as long as I am able. The independence of driving without being tracked by some rideshare’s software is also appealing.

    2nd) Self driving cars are at a MINIMUM 10 years away. And once they get here it will take ANOTHER 10 years to be able to drive on almost every road.

  • Ron Johnson

    Will this car put my boat in the water?

    I’m calling BS on the whole thing

    • Jack Hammer

      WIll your ability to put your boat in the water save 30k lives on the road every year?

      • steven reynolds

        So we should all just sit in our little cube house and look at each other for fun .Bow to the picture of the latest eco god of the time. Ask for permission to go outside and get our allotment of sunshine…I just dont want to live in your world at all , any, none

      • Ron Johnson

        If putting my boat in the water saves 1 person its worth it.

        You realize the author is completely out of touch with reality, don’t you?

    • hammerstamp

      It’ll put the boat and the car in the water and then give you a fireworks show when the battery explodes.

      • Ron Johnson

        Probably programmed to never get closer than 20′ to water

  • Hillbilly_WV

    “Why is this? Because everything will be cheaper.”

    When has this ever happened?

    • Freeway

      I know right? Like they never heard of inflation. A regular size candy bar is now around $1.29 at a convenience store. I remember it costing $0.50 20 years ago.

  • Orlin Pettit

    Wishful thinking run amok… by someone who, if I were to hazard a guess, lives in New York City.

  • Dan Egan

    The author’s vision seems to be based on an assumption of free electricity.

    • sleeperd

      Isn’t that incredible..!? I’ve often asked proponents of electric cars… many of whom profess to be strident “enviromentalists”.. who hate coal fired power plants… WHERE WILL YOU GET THE ELECTRICITY TO POWER TENS OF MILLIONS OF AUTO’s..???
      Most often I’m met with a blank stare.

      • Jack Hammer

        Solar technology on Roads. geothermal, wave, solar, wind. Its all out there

        • sleeperd

          Yes.. and they’re all so wildly successful because they’re all so cost effective…

          • Jack Hammer

            Everything is becoming less and less cost effective. our debt and money expansion and borrowing will make all of this inevitable. System will fail

          • sleeperd

            Jack… I have no idea what you’re talking about….
            Do you…???

          • Jack Hammer

            Most people don’t. We have over 3 trillion dollars in circulation right now, we had about 800 billion 10 years ago. So things have become more expensive, outsourcing has increased along with part time employement. consumer debt rises coupled with 1.3 trillion in student debt, all while running over a 20 trillion national deficit that we will never pay back. has any of this gotten you rich? no. system will fail soon

  • Robert Catt

    No doubt the article was written by Elon Musk

  • Johnny Wendigo

    G..

  • sleeperd

    Like so many other elements of our society, the operation of automobiles has become feminized. I offer the notion that most women – not all – but most do not enjoy driving a 3,000 lb. moving vehicle at any substantial speed. The industry has responded by encumbering autos with every device possible to relieve the driver of any responsibility, i.e., engine lites, GPS systems, backup videos, etc. etc… all of which have added tens of thousands to the cost of a new vehicle… and made it virtually impossible to do any work on the vehicle yourself.
    Most auto insurance commercials are designed to scare the daylights out of women by elucidating all the horrible things that can happen to you when driving a car…(“I totaled my car by smashing it into a tree.. and the insurance co. will only pay for 3/4 of the cost…”)
    The entire movement to force driverless cars on us is nirvana to many women.. and now some metrosexual males.
    The auto industry is being emasculated.

    • Bernard Marx

      Why I buy pre 1996 vehicles – easier to work on and less of the b.s. you stated

    • happy1ga

      If it makes you feel any better, there’s still a few of us old school, Gen X gals around. I drive a 69 Dodge Charger with a Bulldog .44 on the seat beside me when I’m alone. When I have any of my 8 grandchildren with me, it is relegated to the lockbox under the seat. 🙂
      I am definitely anti emasculating males! The sheer criminality is mind boggling. 6 of my grandchildren are fine young males & I will not stand for anyone feminizing or demonizing them. Over my dead body, and that .44 is ALWAYS loaded.

      • sleeperd

        Then you go, girl… locked and loaded.

  • hammerstamp

    I have a feeling this idea will receive a collective middle finger from those who like doing their own driving.

  • CFLAP

    Corporate greed is going to kill the auto industry. cars are already unaffordable without 7-10 year financing.

    • Jack Hammer

      applause

    • Mina

      The price per basic vehicle cannot rise about the ability of the average joe to buy one. Not for long. If the companies cannot sell enough they go out of business. In capitalism there should be competitors starting up to under sell. We need to protect the small businesses. If not then we will be like V in SA. They are starving down there under socialism.

  • Joe Mcg

    Americans will not give up their freedom.

    • Bernard Marx

      FRRrrrEeeedooooom!!

  • Jim Gonzales

    I also want to see them drive in the snow. Would never put my life in the hands of one of these during winter period.

  • bobussery

    Fake news, way bogus projections…sponsored news = sales pitch.

  • Jolat

    Keep dreamin

  • Doug Day

    Cities. Big cities.

  • Shadowking

    American individualism says “No.”

  • Jack Hammer

    Americans will be conditioned to accept Taas as the norm and Individual driving as the exception over time. Rural areas will not be as economically viable. And as we can all see the rest of the world is immigrating here, Mexico, South America, India and especially the chinese. The US population will grow and grow. will Reach 1 billion by 2100

  • Eric Meckes

    With country’s moving more toward VAT Tax’s which increases taxation on every single part that goes into the manufacturing of a vehicle, within 10 years nobody will be able to afford a car anyway, with average prices already creeping upward so drastically, the average car is already up into the high 40’s to high 50’s, once Governments are able to gain complete control over our transportation, our healthcare, our living accommodations and what we can and cannot eat, it will be game over for freedom. And by the way, this person who made all the claims must be another Al Gore Barack Obama buddy like their friends who tried to sell us Solyndra, ended up costing the taxpayers billions between all their now defunct solar companies which I’m sure have paid them both handsomely with OUR money.

  • Jolat

    Will they make an autonomous electric vehicle with 707 horsepower like the dodge hellcat? I’m sure the owners of those cars didn’t care much about their monthly budget allotment. You see my dear Aussie neighbors, efficient and cost effective does not apply to everything. Especially here in America. Enjoy your drones. We have GT’s, SS’s, SRT’s and AMG’s. See you at the finish line.

  • topknot

    I paid $1000.00 for the very used car I drive…

    The internal combustion engine is the most beautiful thing humans ever invented. Sorry, EV nerds… IC cars are and will be king until the last drop of oil runs dry.

  • Duocore2

    Can you say virus?

  • dave davies

    MAY IS PERSECUTE A BAPTIST MONTH IN THE USA…PLEASE DO NOT HIRE OR RENT TO A BAPTIST

  • factscount

    Stupid people writing stupid predictions that can never come true. Freedom to move independently is the order of this day, yesterday, and tomorrow day. This idea is from an entrepreneur who will never be.

  • rob

    Will such a future increase the use of coal to generate electricity?

  • Ann_Banisher

    Ok, even if you assume that its all autonomous electric cars in the near future, how does that reduce congestion? People are still traveling on the road.
    Where does all the new electricity comes from? Unless the grid is powered by nuke or hydro, it’s still carbon based.
    This is just delusion piled on top of fantasy.

  • azgirl

    The really cool thing is that they will be pollution-free because they are electric. /sarc However, the places where the electricity comes from may be another matter.

  • factscount

    If our education system keeps producing these empty-headed freaks, this could happen!!

  • PRONESE

    Rethink, Please keep your chart remarks to yourselves. Most of Us are not buying it.

  • Gomez Addams

    Yes, and as Ted Danson predicted, the earth will be uninhabitable (global warming) by the year 2000. Nim-rods …

  • krisatkins

    Never happen. No electric vehicle could ever go where I did this weekend. Plus, no cell service available to call for pickup.

  • azgirl

    Or another possibility is, once they have somewhat of a monopoly on transportation, it might cost you 20 bucks to take a ride around the block.

  • ben

    Wow this article must have made it into the feed of a right wing nut job group in the USA, judging by the comments.

    • Jack Hammer

      Just reactionaries. Critical thinking and analysis is hard work.

      • ben

        For a moment there I was taking them seriously.

        • Jack Hammer

          People are averse to change. I’m more center-right but i see technology as alleviating stupidity in society and fixing things rather than politics

          • disqus_9gWXa5XKeC

            Oh I agree. I’d characterise myself as a moderate centrist politically with a heavy science-technology bent. The major benefits to society, IMHO, have come through technology – mass vaccination, mass communication, the internet, rollout of sewerage systems, mass production, agricultural systems and so on. I see the future of clean scale-out distributed solar and storage, smart grids, AEVs, automation etc dealing with much of the “stupidity alleviation”.

          • Gomez Addams

            In other words, a Nerd in momma’s basement who has never kissed a girl

          • disqus_9gWXa5XKeC

            Well I am certainly a nerd

          • Gomez Addams

            Ta-Daaaa … a moment of agreement ! Now, if only the demon-cats and re-pubic-ans could learn that art of political compromise …

          • disqus_9gWXa5XKeC

            While I can’t really comment on American politics, I really have to wonder how you are going to possibly forge a consensus, if the sort of dialogue I have seen on the internet is any example. Such hyperpartisanism is not going to do your country any good whatsoever. I wish you all the best.

          • Jack Hammer

            There are no solutions politically. Technology is the only thing that can “save” us.

          • Gomez Addams

            She BLINDED ME with SCIENCE !!

          • disqus_9gWXa5XKeC

            That’s what I’m beginning to think to. Look at energy. We’re now seeing the potential for energy efficiency at the domestic and industrial levels contributing to a massive reduction in demand, and thus CO2e emissions. Same for scale out solar, domestic batteries and so on

    • Gomez Addams

      Yes, we deplorables are an ignorant, snot-slinging, teeth-deprived and IQ-deprived lot. We soooooooo depend on the intellectual pontification of self-appointed arbiters of truth such as yourself. Do continue with your wisdom, so I’ll know what to do with myself tomorrow. And then go eff yourself.

      • ben

        Thanks for your kinds words Gomez. You really shouldn’t be so hard on yourself. I really liked the TV show you were in, what have you been up to since?

  • Their model-contrived stats and charts notwithstanding, the “death of private car ownership” is total crap… period.

    • Jack Hammer

      New cars are getting more expensive. Monetary policy has priced out a lot of people and it will get worse. This will end up being necessary, People will still own cars sometimes, but it’ll be older cars. no more new ones, except for the super rich.

  • JSpicoli

    Such a blowhard nerd fantasy. Because computer controlled everything is he answer.

    No one alive today will ever see the day when there are truly autonomous vehicles on an open roadway in the United States or anywhere on earth

    Our current roads will not sustain them. And there is a major logic problem of decisions that is being taken for granted

  • James Matters

    No one is going to steal off in the night with their girlfriend by calling for a pod…

    • Jack Hammer

      He’ll have to take her out in an older used car. new cars will be out most peoples price range

      • James Matters

        Where have you been for the last 15 years?

        • Jack Hammer

          Monetary policy will make everything more expensive. Already has. Credit will get tighter, less people will buy new cars

          • James Matters

            Its the EPA, CPA and NHTSA that’s already taken care of affordability. 28 years ago you could buy an affordable Civic that got 50mpg. Then the government stepped in and mandated all kinds of equipment that loaded down cars requiring bigger engines, which required bigger chassis which required bigger suspensions, which required bigger brakes, which required more horsepower… And the spiral keeps getting worse.

  • Pat Patterson

    Utter hogwash by people wasting to sell us a utopian bill of goods!

  • RightLeaner

    yeah, yeah, yeah. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Blah, blah, blah. If anything else, it’s a dystopian dream to control our coming and goings. No freedom to come and go as you please.

    • Jack Hammer

      What will happen will be that new cars will be phased out, by a result of inflation and cost and by design. You’ll still find used cars but TaaS will become very common too.

      • Hedley Lamar

        So you’re saying the U.S. auto fleet will look like a newer version of Cuba and we’ll have to make our own replacement parts like they do.

        • Gomez Addams

          What are you worried about? It’s 1868 … you can sue her !

          • Hedley Lamar

            Good one!

  • Tyler

    That 3rd graph of projected sales is laughable. It’s going to level out at 17 million for the next 5 yrs before a huge decline from 17million to almost 0 in the span of 4yrs until almost nobody owns their own car. Ha, not a chance!

  • You really cannot make this shirt up. You just can’t.

    There are half a dozen articles every day now that I think would justify a lawsuit by The Onion. Maybe they’re not plagiarism but they’re so obviously copycatting the Onion idea that they ought to pay a royalty.

    THIS gets today’s prize and I’m not going to bother explaining the basics about which this guy has no clue.

  • jimbopeep

    Yeah right. Just like the gore and obama predictions. A gut full of crap trying to scare someone. It is all BS. The climate change, CO2 scares, etc.

  • wjr123

    This must be the same bunch that thought Solyndra was a great deal.

  • happy1ga

    Sounds horrible. Hope I’m dead by then.

  • Bridger54

    So the government and their toy cars will come haul my wood? Or will they take the trailer into the back country for me? That would be great. Hey, could you help plow my 1/4 mile of driveway in the winter as well, I can’t tell you how I am looking forward to that. We can even take the snow machines out on one. The future is going to be great!

  • St Joe Blues

    This is just more claptrap from the Agenda 21 crowd. These loonies will do anything they can to control people. There are too many freedom-loving people for this to happen.

  • AuldGuy

    I got 20 bucks sez ur wrong…

  • Golfendude

    Come and try to take mine away please!

    • Jack Hammer

      If 2 DHS dump trucks came to your neighborhood to collect firearms tomorrow you would hand them over.

      • squirefld

        Sorry. Not in the United States.

        • Jack Hammer

          We’ve put people in internment camps so anything can happen

          • squirefld

            Only Democratic Franklin D. Roosevelt has done that to citizens. Well, if the Democratics regain power, maybe so.

  • Mr_Milmont

    You can pry my Harley and vintage Vette out of my cold dead hands.

  • C Dartagnan

    I’ll stash this little predictive gem right in the basement alongside the super hurricanes, solar roads, head transplants and colonies on Mars that we can expect in the next 20 years.

  • Wrong_track

    This guy is delirious and knows nothing – – – –

  • Hedley Lamar

    So….an ad for Tesla stock….

  • rlhailssrpe

    The probabilities of this Nirvana are close to zero. One huge, unmentioned issue is risk. Autonomous vehicles, in their infancy, have already killed more people than all of the US nuclear power plants. If the legal standard of strict liability is applied, a reasonable decision per this article, the industry may vanish. Off normal events, snow storms, a deep puddle, deer on the road, are very difficult for electronics. They have no mercy, will happily drive off a cliff.

    And the second issue is the energy supply, a grid that does not exist, built of break-through technologies, which do not exist. And may never commercially exist.

    File this under dreams, invest in carbon fuel extraction, pay your light bill and save for your next car.

  • Jack Hammer

    lot of nutters said they’d “never get cell phones” too.

    • HoReeFook

      Shared ride=Mersa, vomit, love juice….think Taxi Driver…..Are you talkin’ to me?

  • Gordon Preston Brown

    One more avenue of control of the masses. Sorry, Charlie, I am not going to use your car rental service. I will continue to drive myself to where I want to go and when.

    • Jack Hammer

      Alex Jones would be proud.

      • Red-Pilled Conservative

        You can feel free to take the bus while waiting for your fairy dust-powered autonomous death trap. Me and my ’62 T-Bird are going cruisin’.

        • Jack Hammer

          It’s funny that you are conservative and use red pill jargon considering the originators of that phrase are far left kooks and one is a transgender.

          • Red-Pilled Conservative

            I’m not sure what that has to do with anything. I’m sure that a lot of Ford’s stockholders are also loony moonbats, but that never stopped me from buying their product.

            My “red pill” moment came when I realized that the Red Team and the Blue Team are just two sides of the same DC duopoly, which has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of this article. Troll harder, Jack.

          • Jack Hammer

            the term “red pill” comes from the matrix. The creators of the Matrix are far left kooks. To compare that to shareholders at a car company is naive.

          • Red-Pilled Conservative

            Again, what does it matter who originated the term? It isn’t as though “red pill” has exclusive currency to the far left just because it was conceived by a couple of loony kooks.

            “Red pill” denotes a moment of having become “awoken” to a truth. Truth isn’t a left-wing or right-wing concept. It just is. My analogy is therefor valid.

  • I predict RethinkX will be out of business within 2 years as the idea of disruption is as antiquated as the term Web 2.0. “Disruption” is just a buzz word that is quickly losing traction. Companies don’t want disruption, they say they do, but in reality they often pay money to find potential disruptions and then spend more money to buy their way out of the cross-hairs. Sear’s and JC Penny’s are pretty much the only two companies that have felt a “disruption”.

  • Zardoz Wiz

    fake news by fake writers offering fake bullshytte as news. media comedy at its worst. cheaper to operate? cheaper to insure? cheaper to buy? dont make me laugh. most of this will be forced by laws made by socialist progs after they seize power. get stuffed

  • Sailordude

    I’m in the top 1% now, so I’ll be in the minority as far as auto owners come 2030. The classes separate more and more. But I’m calling fake news on this one anyway. Maybe in 30 years, not 13.

  • Jack Hammer

    13 years ago the Smart Phone didn’t exist. Now it rules billions of lives. Things change fast

  • allessior

    I’m in the technology business. Anything that is software driven is inhehrently unreliable. Flying an airplane via automation is 1 billion times easier than driving cars via an automaton because there are simply too many cars, landmarks, people, and non-deterministic dynamics. It WILL BE A DISASTER and the many accidents will destroy it’s own market.

    • Jack Hammer

      40,000 people died in car accidents in the US last year over 4 million injured, driving is getting less safe.

      • HoReeFook

        Due to distraction….err cell phone usage while driving. Go play in driverless traffic.

      • C Dartagnan

        Actually automobile deaths peaked in 1969 at a rate of about 26 per every 100k in population (with the exception of 1933 – 1937 and 1941) and have decreased ever since. In 2014 the rate was about 10.25 per 100k people and considering that miles driven annually have increased at the same time, from 1.11 million miles per year to 3.02 million per year during the same time period, it’s a lot less serious than you’re making it sound. In fact, deaths overall from automobile accidents has declined.

      • allessior

        Software is even worse. You can’t even get 99.000% availability (referred to as “2 Nines”) from software, and it is more like 90.000%, or “One Nine”. Therefore, your outages per day caused by software bugs would be somewhere between 14mins and 2.5hrs. Even 5 seconds of outage in a car will cause a crash.

        If you assume 14mins per day, that is 365 x 14mins = 5,110mins = 85mins per year. 85mins/5sec = 5100sec/5sec = 1,020 accidents per year PER CAR, assuming “2 Nines” Availability.

        If you assume “One Nine” availability, the more likely case for software, then you have 365 x 2.5hrs = 912.5 hrs/yr = 54,750 mins/yr = 3.3 million seconds/yr. 3.3mil sec/ 5sec = 657,000 accidents per year PER CAR.

        This does not include the hardware-induced accidents. Hardware is much more reliable but it will add to the 657,000 accidents per year per car caused by driverless cars.

        You can do the math for total accidents in the USA by multiplying the number of expected driverless cars by 657,000 accidents per car per year. Whoa!

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ae6670eff8be0d458cbb168b6d0a6dbd1973afa034d4f63e22707460cc5db3f.png

  • HoReeFook

    Taas=Motion sickness, lack of privacy, potential hacking, liability, government control of trip route & destination, etc. Economics, please….it’s a surrender of personal liberty

  • jbenson2

    Autonomous cars have to solve the legal nightmare first.

  • david333

    * What can be more palpably absurd than the prospect held out of locomotives traveling twice as fast as stagecoaches?
    * The Quarterly Review, March, 1825
    * That the automobile has practically reached the limit of its development is suggested by the fact that during the past year no improvements of a radical nature have been introduced.
    * Scientific American, January 2, 1909.

    * With over fifteen types of foreign cars already on sale here, the Japanese auto industry isn’t likely to carve out a big share of the market for itself.
    * Businessweek, August 2, 1968.

    • Jack Hammer

      Applause

    • HoReeFook

      Malthaus, over population, ice age…1970’s. Al Douchebag Gore, “global warming, now “climate change”….

    • Gilligan Jones

      ….
      This ‘telephone’ has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication.Western Union internal memo, 1876.

  • Harvey42

    How does the state make up the revenue lost from speeding, reckless driving and DUI

    fines? Will riding in a autonomous vehicle while blotto become a crime?

  • soononbluray

    Pathetic graphs for a pathetic article. Probably produced by guys with those stupid manbuns on their heads.

  • starrrgirl

    and what if you want to take your three large dogs to the vet?

    • HoReeFook

      No problem. As long as they are wet, Ms. Jackie Hammer will play “red rocket” with them…..

    • Christopher Mathieu

      The statists have thought of everything.

      • Gilligan Jones

        …what…you mean the part about them being able to track you even better 24 / 7…than do already? A key point that was not mentioned in the article…you think that might be a motivator…eh? They think we are dumb…

  • Wooby

    NEVER. I strip away the old debris, that hides a shining car
    A brilliant red Barchetta, from a better, vanished time
    Fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar!
    Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime…

    • HoReeFook

      Rush classic. You sir, have won the internet for the day!

  • Tracksuit Al

    Buy a stick shift now as an investment.
    Driving a real car will become a luxury.

  • Lowell Reed

    Can I be the first or will I have to take a number and get in line to shout “BULLSHIT”!!!

  • mac mcintire

    New York under water 2001, out of oil, 1999. Polar ice caps gone, 2010. Yeah, experts with there own agenda

  • Paul Bunce

    In thirteen years I’ll probably still have the cars I own now. But I may have to have a driver as I’ll be 84.

  • JIm Kress

    In the war between Liberty (owning your own vehicle with freedom to travel wherever you want) and tyranny (Transport-As-A-Service that controls where and when you can travel), Liberty will win.

  • soononbluray

    No, Americans love the fun of driving their own vehicles way too much.

  • IronHead Pete

    To Dream…The Impossible dream!
    No Way this happens…who wrote this..this is idiotic~

  • HoReeFook

    Sammy Hagar comeback…

  • Chuckie

    More fake news from the climate change nut bags!

  • G2

    Though seen in a movie I despise (Singles), Tom Skerret puts it pretty plainly.

    https://youtu.be/TK3wRamLsxY

  • BC

    “AGENDA 21” people…or what is it now, AGENDA 2030 I’ve heard too…..don’t be deceived

  • RETUSAF1995

    In the 1930’s they were saying in the 80’s cars won’t have rubber wheels too. Today in 2017 i can’t believe we still have telephone wires and power lines on wooden poles lining the streets, same things we had at the turn of the century.

  • Rally N

    This greenie idiot does not understand that the private automobile is not just transportation on demand, it is fundamentally one of few true expressions of freedom and personal identity that exist in the world today. Think of cars in those terms…..that aint going away anytime soon or ever. Notice that this lunatic isnt saying that personal clothes and styles are going away in 15 years in favor of generic, vanilla clothes that would be far cheaper and cleaner to produce.

    • Tracksuit Al

      When you and I turned 16, we wanted to get our driver’s license. Things have changed. 16 year olds these days are getting their licenses at older ages. Now it’s their smart phone that is freedom. Driving a car was freedom for past generations but it isn’t as much anymore especially when mom and dad are tracking your location and speed.

      • C Dartagnan

        You must not have kids.

      • Rally N

        Very true when we were 16, and cars were cheaper, particularly used cars. Kids are going for wheels later in life. My first car was a used 1969 Camero SS i bought when i was 17 for $1,300 from money i made in high school as a cook. My boys love their phones, but they also had used cars they loved too…..but i had to loan them money to buy them because their jobs didnt pay enough to afford a decent one.

  • njlowrider

    YOU LOOKING FOR TROUBLE? CAUSE YOU’LL GET IT! DON’T F##K WITH OUR CARS MOFO’S! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!

  • Sagramore

    Except for the fact that people love to drive and don’t want to take a taxi to the mini mart to buy a Gatorade.

  • computerjockey

    Horse crap. People like to drive. Cars aren’t going to be obsolete.

  • AuldGuy

    More horse$#it from the left.

  • Mick McCall

    We’ll all be drink’n that free Bubble Up and eat’n that rainbow stew.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRDOrCFIY4c

  • party-defender-slayer

    Some of these writers was beamed aboard a Alien spaceship, and probed. I’m uncertain if the beaming, or probing, left them mad. PS– I was around, and operated heavy battery equipment, for 38 years. It did improve a lot, along with most things. But once you see a battery fire, or explosion. You won’t be that big on battery vehicles. PS– and it is common.

  • Mina

    Ain’t gonna happen despite the think tank’s graphs. Not in USA

  • Dan Stalcup

    I predict this prediction will be radically wrong. People like owning their cars to much.

  • Teddy Heaton

    What a load of crap.

    You do realize that cars didnt make people stop riding trains and horses, dont you?
    People will own cars forever, just like people will own tents, even though we invented houses while back.

    I think what you mean is ‘by 2030 you probably wont be allowed to drive cars inside of the socialist, wage-slave, prison cities’. I can certainly see THAT being true.

  • D. Jackson

    HAHAHAHAH! That is complete liberal bullshit.

  • Robert

    60% drop in ownership. 100% increase in price. 50% fewer manufactures and models. 200% increase in repair costs. And what happens with the CYBERATTACK? BTW keep predicting Climate Change too.

  • Stinky Man

    Drudge –> click-bait

  • Sir Knight

    BS.

  • Les Morpions

    So, 13 years is a flash and this sort of article is written or sourced by/from someone for whom 13 years is a large percentage of their total time on this Earth.

    Neckbeards, Millenials, SJWs, and college students stand down. Your predictions are stupid. Life is more than Periscope, earbuds and Twitter.

  • It would be so easy to car jack an autonomous car or truck. Just stand in front of it and it wouldn’t move and the people or goods could be looted at leisure.

  • Communist, utopian BS

  • GTyrebiter

    In the 70’s it was ‘Global Cooling’. It was a farce. Somewhere along the way it morphed into ‘Global Warming / Climate Change.’ Also a farce. Now this. OMFG.

    Libs hate oil / gas / coal. I ‘get’ it. What they don’t ‘get’ is that this will never fly . . . at least not until the oil / gas / energy in general companies, along with the auto industry (and all their associates) can control this new technology. The US congress would never allow such a thing until the people in those industries can be made part of the solution. I just don’t see that as ever happening and if it does happen it will be over a much longer period of time.

    In order for this scenario to have any traction it assumes the entire world will go along with it! DUDE! We can’t get the Russians, Chinese & Indians to comply with pollution standards! What on earth makes you think they’ll go along with this?? They all have the same energy base as us! It’s gonna take time for any such idea to take hold . . . certainly not 13 years!

    Balderdash, I tell you!

    • AndoverAndy

      It won’t matter because the oceans will have risen and drown New York City.
      Perhaps autonomous power boats to take you about…

  • TwentyPoundGorilla

    Sweet. So rich people arrive at work in their loaded supercrew pickups, and everyone else floats in on the “poor people” EVs. Cars are a global status symbol. They always will be. A hundred years from now, they still will be. It’s human nature. It’s 2017 and people still hunt with a bow & arrow.

  • Clem

    What a load of CRAP !!!

  • Done With It

    This by the same sort of people who told us fifty years ago that early in the new century we’d all be on mass-transit and cars would be a thing of the past. Let me know when my flying car gets here, or mass transit works anywhere but downtown in large cities.

  • joe schmo

    Another globalist pipe dream… I seriously don’t believe this will happen unless we are under the thumb of Marxists.

  • Safe Space Invader ™

    Civil disobedience will be necessary on this.

    I will never submit to your Agenda 2030. Never.

  • Matthew Kilburn

    Private car ownership isn’t going anywhere. What all these touters of a communally-owned paradise fail to remember is that most people who have their own cars *use them at the same times of day*. Rush hour in any major city is enough to fill five lanes of freeway around the start and end of the workday; but those freeways otherwise sit almost empty the rest of the time.

    I need a car at the same time my neighbor needs a car at the same time my coworker needs a car. If we wanted to travel in the same vehicle as strangers, we could already carpool. And no autonomous vehicle company is going to be able to put one car in three places at once.

  • Scott Davis

    Who comes up with this garbage? 2030 is only 13 years from now! Absolutely idiotic!

  • Safe Space Invader ™

    This is post modern neo-Marxist revolutionary dogma.

    Do you people really want a war? Take away people’s cars.

  • Sam Crider

    According to that last graph in 7 years automobile production in the US will come to a permanent end. You either have to be a real idiot or a total a$$hole to say that with any confidence. The RenewEconomy office meetings must be like a circle jerk wrapped in a wet dream. Keep thinking with your hearts libtards.

    • Charles J Jernigan

      That’s not what the chart projects. What it does project is that the demand for non-whatever cars is zero. The projection may be wrong; the conclusions are not wrong.

  • Saknussemm

    In 13 years? I highly doubt it – maybe by 2045-50. The infrastructure needs upgrading first. Get out of the way and let President Trump make it happen.

  • old tired & poor

    Self driving cars will pass quickly. All it will take is a few fatal accidents.And they are coming. You can bet on it.

    And the ecological footprint of an expanded electric fleet will be massive. Between lithium mining, (Most of which is done in countries that hate us) disposal of spent battery packs and the coal fired electric plants that produce about half of our power – the public will have a rude awakening. when the whole tally is in.

    All of this article is just a Greenie’s wet dream.

    • Safe Space Invader ™

      They have already happened. Did you know that there was a congressional oversight committee that kept a double fatality quiet for 88 days until a Tesla quarterly earnings report was released? American corruption at its worst.

    • Saknussemm

      Lithium won’t be a necessary component of batteries in the near future.

  • Corky Boyd

    There is no doubt on demand autonomous vehicles will displace taxis in urban areas. They may even displace a good portion of rapid transit because they provide portal to portal service that rapid transit can’t. But they won’t make much of a dent in private auto use. Why? Because of cost. Assume there is a $5 minimum per ride. Play bridge at Joanie’s house, that’s $10 round trip. See a movie 10 bucks. Go to the grocery store another $10. Play golf at the club, way more because of the distance. You can lease a small car for $199/month plus tax. That’s about $7 or $8 per day and its ready to go when you are.

    Private cars will be around for a long time.

  • Vet for Trump

    Biggest crock of cow patties I ever heard.
    NO WAY will Americans give up their cars.

  • fcabanski

    Computer Car: “Sorry, Dave, I have to drive you off this bridge to avoid an accident with that other car. The people in there are more important than you are.”

    • Mina

      while singing, “Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer true. I’m half crazy over the love of you…”

  • Joseph P. Campbell

    BS!

  • DerRotMax

    I bet if the author had been writing in the 1950s, he’d be one of the morons predicting that we’d all be in flying cars by the 1980s.

    • Red47 Jesus in a Che Shirt

      I have mine.
      Oh wait…flying CARS, not pigs. Lol.

      • Insurance Panda is a SCAM

        No flying pigs.

        No need to bring Hillary or Rosie O’Donnell into the conversation.

  • Red47 Jesus in a Che Shirt

    It is unlikely that the infrastructure to support this could be built in 13 years. It is more likely to be true of larger cities where people pay per ride already, or pay exorbitant amounts to park their cars.
    I am wondering where all the extra electricity is going to come from since the current infrastructure is already old and overtaxed according to what I have read, and the last administration shut down so many power plants.

  • Carlos the Dangerous

    Why don’t we just skip all this and go straight to teleportation?

  • Matt Esquire

    No way, maybe in Europestan but not in America.

  • McG

    What do you expect to happen to the people in 90% of Australia’s land area?

  • ImaObserver

    Dumber than a box of rocks. It may be true in metropolitan areas but in rural America it is impossible. The motor vehicle is a tool of agriculture and of recreation and standardized routes will never be practical for use by the farmer, rancher, outdoor enthusiast. etc.

  • JuvenileCourtLifer

    This must be a joke. Absolutely laughable. Who writes this crap?

  • PopeyeinFL

    Personally I,m hoping that in 13 years we have the Jetson’s flying saucers!

  • Rick Martinez

    There is a plan to start taxing us by the mile. Starting in 2013 all new cars have a Black Box device that tracks your mileage and driving habits. The future plan is no private vehicles and people either walk, ride a bicycle or use mass transit. Google United Nations AGENDA 21 and AGENDA 2030.

    • phantasm

      Yes- but most people are not informed enough to pay attention to these things or even care.

  • tjb357452

    How will this work in rural, and suburban areas ? Will they mandate electric trucks for those with boats, and travel trailers ? How will “autonomous” work when I want to travel to my favorite hunting/fishing locations ? How about going for a drive ? These clowns think they’re going to be able to move 450 million people with “autonomous vehicles”, and eliminate privately owned transportation ? Absolute nonsense.

  • phantasm

    The only places this might work are cities such as NY, Boston, Chicago. For the majority of people who drive 25 – 50 miles a day for work, this makes no sense. It will not be cost effective to not own a car- and you lose the freedom of travelling anytime you want, where you want. Don’t think so in my lifetime- though I could see some of this happening in the further future.

  • stlfedup

    HOGWASH !!!!!!!!!!

  • Tokenn

    I doubt this will happen quite as quickly or universally as the article suggests, but I wouldn’t bet against it as a rising trend. I plan to retire in just a few years, and I’ll be buying a car at the same time, If I keep that car for 10 years or more, I’ll be nearly 80 by the time it wears out…and I won’t care to be driving by that time anyway. A self-driving Uber will be the perfect answer for oldsters past their driving years.

  • bstoff

    This article is an advertisement. The public policy they advocate, which will make them rich, will also limit free travel for those who aren’t given permission to receive the transportation for whatever reason the controllers of the transportation system decide.
    Limiting free travel to certain persons, essentially imprisonment, will be much easier to implement when everyone is dependent upon the public service.

  • Tim Allgood

    delusional stupidity,

    1. This is totally dependent on fictitious economic assumptions from someone who clearly knows even less about economics then he does about electric cars.

    2. He wasnt right about solar. He was dead wrong about it. It exists only as a very expensive, government subsidy dependent, sub par energy source that works alongside traditional power generation. Nowhere has solar supplanted traditional energy for the simple reason that its completely unreliable. The much higher cost and low energy production dont help either.

  • Jay Phillips

    Yeah that will be great for the millennials who live less than 10 miles from the big mega cities on the coasts. The ones who live at home with their parents, who don’t want to pay for anything, like healthcare, cellphones, college educations, Internet, or have any interest in owning a home or car. The rest of us who live out in the country, who enjoy the fresh air, the beautiful mountains and rivers, the open plains, yeah, we need electric cars that don’t even have enough juice to get us into town and back. We’ll have to stop a couple times along the way and wait an hour while the batteries recharge. You wiz bang genius “scientists” why don’t you rent a car sometime, since we know you don’t own one, and try driving across the Arizona desert or over the Rocky Mountains or through the Appalachians and then go back to your sterile lab and write a paper about the real world. Not that imaginary bubble you live in.

    • Robert Bonaiuto

      Millennials live at home and their mommies and daddies drive them where they WANT to go cuz they don’t NEED to go anywhere.

  • Laura

    Get in the same vehicle after a sick person or homeless person with bedbugs rode and I will bet $1 that you will head to the dealership.

  • RichardC55

    What codswallop. Part of what this study says is somewhat true now, in that in places like New York City, lots of people don’t have cars of their own, using mass transit and taxi services (including Uber, of course) instead. So, to be partially true requires only that this trend in major cities continue, but with people switching to on-demand electric vehicles instead of mass-transit. But, there are serious problems. Cars are not short-term investments, so many of the cars now in use will remain in use. Further, once you get away from major metropolitan areas, you run into an entirely different problem: wait time. On-demand vehicles need a high utilization rate to be economical, and there are vast portions of the country where achieving a high utilization rate will be a significant problem, since having enough vehicles to keep wait times short will mean there must be a significant surplus of vehicles.

    Right now, if I want to go somewhere, I don’t have to wait. My car’s cost amortizes over ten to fifteen years, but my utilization rate (though low) is in hundreds of miles a week. My car was not expensive. I am a busy person,. I can’t waste time waiting for an on-demand vehicle, and the frequency with which I travel between towns is high enough that I will routinely change the availability of vehicles in these towns. This makes an on-demand system less than desirable for me, and I know a rather significant number of people here in non-metropolitan America who have similar travel requirements.

    Another question: What about rush hours? Those times will demand larger numbers of vehicles, and these are likely to be tied up in traffic, to some degree. But, the surplus of vehicles needed to deal with traffic rushes means that they will be under utilized in non-peak times.

    What RethinkX is imagining is a disruption due to technology, but will that disruption really happen if the technology actually is disrupting the lives of half the citizens?

  • wjf3

    I worked in pollution abatement for the last +35 years, that has been the dream of environmental nut jobs since the first Earth Day, which I attended by the way. When asked back then they hadn’t a clue as to how to get Americans out of their cars. But then the EPA created rules so stringent as to make cars illegal, miles per gallon, crash tests, 10-12 speed transmissions to obtain the tail pipe miles per gallon fatwas from on high. The EPA and out here AQMD don’t drive the cars they expect us to want. One high up EPA ash wipe drives a 1953 Volkswagen talk about pollution. Most people in America cannot car pool, take a bus, walk to work. Most people in America NEED A VEHICLE to get to work. Plus most people cherish the calmness of driving and being alone. Lastly the real reason they want our cars gone is they see people on their own as being free, they won’t say that until , if you act like you agree and are couple of expensive bottles of wine later, to get an EPA mucky muck to sign off on your abatement equipment requires fine dining and monetary bribes. WE WILL HAVE CARS IN 50-60 YEARS NO MATTER WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL NUT JOBS SAY. By the by the air is cleaner than it was in 1900.

    • Robert Bonaiuto

      Here here. Abolish the EPA. Make “pollution” a state issue.

  • Larry Matters

    Did you hear what the “Beta-tape” said to the VHS-tape … who repeated it to the DVD?

    “LOL yeah right…Anyone who thinks this will be the case in 13 years is loony..”

  • James1754

    An end to the ability of people to travel where they want, when they want?
    Now wouldn’t that please the left wing wannabe totalitarians.

  • I’d bet against this headline, especially in America. I’ve seen your weird art-deco homogenized goofy transport rental schemes in action across Europe, and it’s pretty damn gay.

    While it may work for effete Europeans and Californians, it won’t work for America at large; it’s contrary to our nature.

    • Robert Bonaiuto

      I’ve seen your weird art-deco homogenized goofy transport rental schemes in action across Europe, and it’s pretty damn gay.

      That has to be the sentence of the year. I’ll be laughing at that for a week….

  • op_ed

    Orrrrrrr . . . we as freedom loving individualists that believe it’s a human right to wake up in the morning, get a wild hair and grab a big wad of cash, jump in our privately owned vehicle, fill up and drive wherever, whenever we want, plop down cash to eat and sleep when needed – and it should be no one in the government or industry business where we are or how we got where we stopped. “F” tech meant to control and enslave!!!

  • Insurance Panda is a SCAM

    If this comes even close to happening, the progressive/socialist Democrats will cheer, and it won’t be because of less pollution (which they actually don’t care about anyway).

    It’s all about CONTROL.

    They want Americans to be mostly dependent upon public transportation, which is considerably more restricted in it’s flexibility to where & when you could go.

    The progressive/socialists will tell YOU where you can go, WHEN you can go, and HOW you can go. In addition, it will be oh so much easier to track your whereabouts.

    Obama is a HUGE advocate of jamming everyone into cities, and out of the suburbs. Why? Government control and monitoring your activities.

    Want a sample of what it would be like? Just look to Europe. Mass waves of sheep.

    • Mina

      They got our health system already ruined with their program designed to fail to implement one govt controlled system. We are fighting back against social engineering. O can go back to his bath house and be a pot head again.

  • JohninRedding

    Sounds like wishful thinking by uptopian liberals. It is so easy to conger up these wild ideas and then demand everyone work toward that end.

  • Kevy-Lotion

    Oh yeah, it MUST be true! ….I’ll park it next to my flying car! Hahaha!! How do you have the nerve to tell such lies?

  • John27

    Maybe in San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle. But not in the rest of the country.

  • peer89

    “Lead consultant and co-author Tony Seba, who specialises in disruptive technologies. His early forecasts for the enormous uptake of solar where considered crazy, but were proved right, and he has since said that new technologies will make coal, oil and gas all but redundant by 2030).”

    Am I really supposed to take this story seriously?

  • Burnt Orange

    Maybe the savings in usage of imported and domestic oil could be put toward the national debt. The disruption to the economy would be off set by lowering the debt. Cheap oil could be used for other things like heating and the trucking industry.

    All most all Fortune 500 companies from the 1950’s don’t exist any more. Country is still here and will be going strong in a while.

    Change or DIE is often heard. IF this change is implemented over time we will survive and thrive. The future is coming pay attention.

  • Larry Matters

    Wake me up after the North Korean EMP puts Fred Flintstone in the White House – and Barney Rubble as CEO of the newly merged “Apple-Google-Amazon-IBM-Microsoft-Intel”

  • imagine waiting for hours because demand was too high and no vehicles available. mass transit has totally failed to diminish the demand for a personal vehicle and the only way that will ever happen is when they make it too expensive to own and drive your own car.

  • Just saying

    Corporations don’t vote. People do and those greedy 1%’WRs that want more profit from taking millions of people from working will have to hide when pitchforks come out. Let me think about this… remember hybrids we’re going to take over or electric cars? Yeah right. They haven’t. I can’t believe this PR agancy you found a website willing to publish this garbage. When one of these 1%’era finds out his million dollar Ferrari is worth nothing because it’s going to be in a museum, this will stop. The answer is not replacing cars but rather taking to the air.

  • Robert Bonaiuto

    Never gonna happen. To those who would risk their lives and the lives of their families to “autonomous” transport, well, your not going to be missed. We can’t even stop hackers on desktops and you’ll let a computer system drive you in a metal box at high speeds. Yeah, ok. Not to mention giving up your freedom? I could go on and on. Uber’s about to crash out of the market as well. It’s all smoke and mirrors. More leftist environmentalist cult wishful thinking. One final note, global warming = greatest hoax on the history of mankind. Plz don’t call it climate change either. That’s when I walk in from the hot sun to my cold ac’ed house….climate change!

  • Futch

    So how do I haul a boat or pick stuff up at home depot? What about off roading? What about gravel roads? I think this is just for pea brained New Yorkers and butt headed LA types who have never seen a tree outside of a park.

  • Taluca Lake

    That $4.50 ride will be $45 if the government’s involved. And if it’s Chicago, they’ll put a tax on top of that

  • Scott74

    Another liberal dream, for the ash heap …

  • LYNNDH

    The Idjit does not live in the Midwest or West or South. Must be a LA guy or Chicago or NY.

  • MovinToCanada

    This is pure, 100% unadulterated communist BS

    • mark carpenter

      They are control freaks aren’t they?

      • MovinToCanada

        They have to be. No one would buy their garbage if they werent able to force feed it.

        • mark carpenter

          ditto that

  • mark carpenter

    Pretty sure my customers won’t like the fact that I’ll no longer be able to get to their service calls in a timely manner. My guess is that this prognostication will go by the wayside – kinda like algore’s global warming b.s. about coastal cities around the world being underwater by now.

  • DavidPeoria

    A dial-up electric car will not get me to my home in the middle of nowhere on some 20 miles of logging roads.

    • Clemsworld

      Somebody tell Jerry Brown so the bullet train is no longer needed.

  • Turd Ferguson

    Yeah come take my truck and motorcycle.
    People wont stand for this. Between the idiotic environmentalists and technocrat marxist, we will have another Fort Sumter
    Its just a matter of time.

  • qb

    Technology may very well change the type of car people travel in but not the ownership . Americans simply are not going to give up independent vehicle ownership in the next 13 years. Ain’t gonna happen. Maybe in Paris but not in Dallas.

  • gildersleeve

    I wonder, does taking LSD to write an article like this a requirement or is the writer just naturally nuts?

  • Casey Kowalchyk

    I keep a lot of things in a vehicle at any given time. The comfort and familiarity of MY car can’t be had in some generic fleet vehicle.

  • Ron

    More fake news from the folks who bring you fake news. They say nothing in this article about the logistics of how tens of millions of people will get to and from their jobs with this so-called service, let alone how it will double the traffic in local areas with this hairbrained idea by having a vehicle taken to a home first, and then taken to the person’s place of business. But this is an Australian site. Liberalism really is a mental disease.

  • Harold Janson

    Haha, for nogs sure, maybe. Those with agency who are not braindead will still drive

  • simus1

    This fable to the future is from Oz, where some loony left state governments have trouble keeping the lights on due to their “advanced thinking energy strategies”.

  • JohnBreland

    And weren’t we all supposed to be jetting around in flying cars by now?

  • Taluca Lake

    Troll alert: Nick

  • op_ed

    Orrrrrrr . . . we as freedom loving individualists that believe it’s a human right to wake up in the morning, get a wild hair and grab a big wad of cash, jump in our privately owned vehicle, fill up and drive wherever, whenever we want, plop down cash to eat and sleep when needed – and it should be no one in the government or industry business where we are or how we got where we stopped. “F” tech meant to control and enslave!!!

  • Robert Hoover

    So how am I going to get to Frackville from Mahanoy city ?

  • tedlv

    Wow. Stupid rules.

  • wcplace

    It will save SOOO many lives! Of course there comes the UN with pregnancy licenses and saving the Planet from Humans. This story is BS!

    • Clemsworld

      Just like gun control across the world. It works very well in Mexico where guns are banned because there hasn’t been a shooting there in the last 15 seconds.

      • tedlv

        As with Chicago.

      • wcplace

        You win! Best post of the DAY!

  • delong

    Transportation as a service? It’s called a freakin taxi, and I’m not waiting an hour for someone to give me a ride to pick up some milk down the street.

  • Clemsworld

    Looks like some companies have Pot as an employee benefit because someone here is smoking something.

  • gotye

    Then,when most every one or even 50% of us are using this, some smart hacker will figure out how to shut down entire countries. Just, Bamn! We’ll be royally screwed up and probably miles from home!

  • The Evil One

    One crash and a multi-million dollar lawsuit will put this idea out to pasture.

  • Creldarix

    I won’t own a car in 13 years. I’ll still own three cars in 13 years. This is pie in the sky environmental madness.

  • Smellvin Therat

    I’ll still own my ’66 vette…

  • Jean

    Yes if the Democrats get in again we will be driving a donkey and a cart to save the planet. Only thing is what are you going to do with the donkey waste.

    • Charles Nash

      And the donkey’s methane! They already want to outlaw cowfarts in California.

  • Rowbear

    Not long ago, there was a study stating that if California reached ten percent of vehicles being electric, powering them would require the entire electricity generation in the state.

  • Charles Nash

    Rainbow unicorns and self-licking lollypops are just as likely.

  • Scott Furley

    This will no way happen because for sure no one wants some elses filthy car. will this car clean itself? I live in florida and for sure would be ten homeless people riding in the automated car all week before you get a ride on sunday. your clothes, your suits, would be disgusting. you would get in the self driving fleet automatic car and it will have been used as a bathroom or drug room or graffiti art showroom. I have no faith in this sea of half humanity in south florida to respect these fleet owned cars the author is speculating about. if they have a way for cheap or free automated cars to clean themselves after each use, why dont they already install this technology in Florida buses and cabs? the miami and broward buses have all kinds of interesting elements who live on these buses in a stuper all day. you would have to put cameras in the auto cars so could send the cleaning bill. the Tri Rail system is also very dirty, with everything thrown all over it everyday, and luckily a few cleaning people walking through to pick up things.

  • HHP

    Pure unadulterated Bull Shit.

  • T S the Deplorable

    Nonsense. These are the same guys who 40 years ago said we’d all be using public transportation and Amtrak by now.

  • Johndoe

    I call BS…No frikkin way are most Americans going to use a taxi service and give up their vehicles.

  • Robert Portmanteau

    bullshit people.

  • arcsinice

    This utter lunacy – hallucination bought to you by the nasty IPA swilling/ski cap wearing hipsters who sit around all day and “think”………………….

  • tony tyler

    you can take your new world order agenda 21 cars and go straight to hell…

  • David Johnson

    So, instead of one car making two trips, one from your home to work and one from your work to your home, there will be 4 trips. One from consolidated parking to your home to pick you up and one to take you to work. Then one to go back to the consolidated parking lot. Then the reverse. 4 trips, twice the driving and twice the congestion.

  • Scriptor

    This story is right up there with “by 2014, the polar ice caps will be no more”, and we all know how that one turned out.

    • bstoff

      I really miss the polar ice caps. So sad that they’re gone now, huh?

  • tony tyler

    it will be like Obamacare . ” if you own your car and like your car you can keep your car. ” yeah right ..get bent government .

  • gelceea

    I like my gas guzzling truck. I am not interested in relying on someone else to get me somewhere. It is a vital freedom to go get in my truck and take off down the road. This article is junk from stoopid people who have no idea what it is.

  • Geezer Power

    A liberal wet dream, nothing more.

  • Racher

    You can have my car when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

  • Mac-101

    THEY may make it mandatory to have a self driving care which the average person would NOT be able to afford to buy or maintain it in the high state of maintenance that would be required keep it driving safely, A big win for the Globalist!

  • aNativeTexan

    Will never happen! No one will ever trust an AI car to always make the right decision & the ability to hack the electronics on the car should be a big warning to Humans.

  • RonaldWest

    So what are contractors supposed to do? Are they trying to tell us in 13 years there will no longer be a need for plumbers, painters, landscapers, electricians, etc, etc hence no need for vans or pickup trucks? What a crock!

  • Bagger

    Giles – Please don’t teach on the side. You live in a bubble. Buy yourself a muscle car and get back to balanced journalism.

  • jn jac

    Another progressive pipe dream

  • Hannah Warde

    this Seba guy says everything will be cheaper………so we will be so mechanized and digitized and whateverelse-ized that jobs will be scarce and the population will be enhanced by multiples given the new migratory and cultural norms of different cultures moving to be global………so Seba says that these autonomous cars will be possibly free but one has to buy a latte perhaps to take the trip…….okay – with population growth and lack of manufacturing and production due to the excessive and unstoppable mechanization of our culture and work habits – there will probably be very very few jobs and lots and lots of homeless people and vagrants and unless there is a cop in every autonomous car there will be chaos…………this paragraph really bothers me: “The report, by RethinkX, an independent think tank that focuses on technology-driven disruption and its implications across society, says this stunning and radical will be driven entirely by economics, and will overcome the current desire for individual car ownership, starting first in the big cities and then spreading to the suburbs and regional areas.”…………….so it looks like the whole intention is to become a socialistic global world where the desire to individually own a car will be turned into a dirty word like individualism……….so that will be added to sexism, racism, fascism…….etc etc.

  • Chris

    Hillary has a 90% to win the election too, Right ? Fake news.

  • Chris USA

    Horrific accidents will be constant problem until they ban humans from driving altogether. And even without humans behind the wheel, when the tech will fails, gets hacked, whatever…the results will also be disastrous.

  • Big Deal

    I am still waiting for flying cars and our moon colony – which were supposed to happen about 15 years ago.

  • Clark9017

    I had an image of riding a horse into town because the nutjobs made it impossible to buy and insure a car, which is okay for anyone in a large city where they don’t mind being told what to do and live like sheeple in cookie cutter neighborhoods. But as for me I choose to live in a peaceful rural area where I can go outside and think clearly and enjoy the night sky in complete privacy.

  • Bill K

    nonsense. They dont take into account the consumer’s desire to own a car, or the freedom owning an auto provides.

  • Snowman 54

    Ooooh. Pretty graphs. They and the study miss the point and don’t mention key things driving the desire for a private mode of transportation.
    1. The 95 or so per cent of the land mass of the USA where driving distances to and from services are long, and where work is not ten floors down.
    2. Freedom of movement, freedom of escape, freedom of mobility
    3. The ability to go pick up ten bags of dirt at the hardware for the yard without paying a stupid expensive delivery fee.
    4. A driver you can trust with your life.
    5. Relative economics. Is it still cheaper to pay for transportation service when you’re taking hour family of four across the state to grandma’s house for the holiday?
    6. Did I mention having a driver you could trust, and not be trying to sell you MDMA, reefer, cid, crank, crack, blow who will dump you off on the nearest curb when you turn them down?
    7. And highest on the list. The ability to go wherever you want, when you want, as quicky or slowly as you want, with whomever you want, without being treated like you’re being treated like a commodity the way airlines treat their customers.
    8. And last on the list. Owning something. As opposed to the zero-gain rental alternative. Your cabbie doesn’t appreciate the way say, a 1963 split window Corvette has/does.

    And I almost forgot. Anonymity. Computers were supposed to be safe, secure, and private. Right. Can we say ransomware? The state does NOT need to know where we are going, who we are with, why we are going, 24 hours a day seven days a week.

    This reads more like a marketing sell job than it does a news article.

  • dean

    Not me. I like to drive and driving around in glorified golf carts does not interest me either.

  • Chris Straus

    The last time I recall using public transport (apart from airplanes) was a London bus about twenty years ago…the guy directly across from me was picking his nose, the guy in front of me was loudly saying “f***” every third word…and of course the bus itself (like just about everything else in London) was filthy. I’m afraid the brainiacs who come up with these idiotic theories and prognostications fail to take into account that most important of all variables – human beings.

  • dean

    I live in a place that gets snow in winter. I have zero confidence that these self driving cars can drive around with 6 inches of snow covering the sensors and having snow covering the lanes on the road.

  • kjj

    Not going to happen in our lifetime!

  • Mikey1109

    I’ll believe it when I see it. Experts are always coming up with predictions for the future and most the time they are wrong.

    • Flippy Hambone

      The problem with the future is it ain’t what it used to be

  • dean

    The people pushing these self driving cars are those developing these cars. There is no mass public push for these things. Sure there will be a market for these cars but I believe far fewer people will buy into these things at least over the next 20 years than these people think. There are still a lot of people out there who like to drive. They see a self driving car to be about as appealing as a self playing version of Call of Duty.

  • Flippy Hambone

    You may not own a car, but I will.

  • mickey bitsko

    Nonsense. We’ll all have personal jet packs.

  • tec

    Sam old pie in the sky unrealistic crap story regurgitated. America alone has what? 100MM cars. Exactly what would we do with all of these cars? And let’s not forget the underlying infrastructure and businesses that support them. Auto parts stores, mechanics/garages, new and used auto dealers, gas stations, etc… Sorry, maybe I’m old fashioned but I don’t see it happening. At least not in that time frame and those numbers.

  • sabrose

    When government controls transportation you can kiss your privacy and independence goodbye.

  • Lee Sanders

    Can you imagine sitting down in a dirty, graffiti filled autonomous public taxi. If you’re lucky enough to get one that didn’t have the faint scent of urine and used bubble gum stuck everywhere you would still be afraid to touch anything. I’ll keep my own transportation, thank you.

  • Ronald Jackson

    only a loon would write a story like this, it could never happen . the person that wrote this story should write stories for the si fi channel.

  • Troyboy

    I hope I don’t live that long ! I getting there fast I don’t fit in this new world thinking of government doing all my thinking !! EVIL !!

  • Ronald Jackson

    owning a car is a thing called freedom to move freely and go anywhere without begging for a ride

  • Mickawber

    Undesirables will hide in the boot of the vehicles for a victim to get in. Hackers will interfere and cause the auto vehicles to wreck and go out of control. People will use the bathroom in them or start immigrant cooking fires in them. Thanks but no thanks! Agenda 21 transport, no thanks!

  • Mickawber

    This story is like some wuss millennial snowflake’s wet dream or something…

  • davebr

    Statistics provided by Michael Mann.

  • Minute Matt

    So if your wife is pregnant and her water breaks…guess you’ll have to login to get to the hospital in time? This is the same glorious nonsense just like trying to get rid of cash.

  • David Morris

    Right, by the 1990’s we’ll all have flying cars and vacation on the Moon

  • no_more_commie_propaganda

    This is another dream from the climate change central planning communists who want to control this part of the economy too and incrementally tax / regulate / and fear monger fossil fuels out of the price reach of the masses. The elite’s will keep the fossil fuels for their jets and private high-classy luxury, but its public transportation for the rest of us.

    Sure, the government can destroy trillion dollar industries (look what obamacare has done to healthcare). The leftists love these utopia ideas, but they are not held accountable by results, and socialism always fails. But they never want to be held accountable, they just want you to know they care more than everyone else (especially you).

    Capitalism and free markets are the 10,000 years of human history proven way to eliminate hunger, poverty, and foster innovation. Communism destroys.
    I am all for renewable fuels and technological innovation, but it has to be driven by the market, not by the government outlawing industries and reducing consumer choice. If someone or some company can crack the code and fly rockets into space or jet liners on solar panels, advanced batter tech, or olive oil, then great. But that will ONLY happen if its driven by innovation and competition. The government centrally planning it wont figure it out because it has no incentive to make it better.
    In the end, The government wants autonomous, self driving cars because it takes another freedom away from people and they can tax you by the mile or your carbon footprint / impact to the environment. Its a form of control and won’t happen unless its created by entrepreneurs.

    Socialist / Communist / Central Planning doesn’t work.

  • Dick Fantastic

    Can’t wait until my autonomous electric whatsamobile decides it can’t make it up my road in the middle of a snowstorm when it’s below zero and blowing hard some winter in the near future.

  • Ron Traguer

    This will happen as soon as we get that flying car.

  • D A

    More communist central planning Globalist Climate Change happy horses h it. All designed to have absolute complete control over our lives.

    Phooooc off ……… get outta my life. Life. Liberty and the pursuit of FreeWill…..learn it,live it, love it !

  • Ron Traguer

    They’ve also proclaimed the death of muscle cars for decades.

    • robert corbett

      If someone had told me I could have an affordable muscle car back in the 1980s with 400 plus HP 20 years in the future I would have laughed inside my 100 HP K car.

  • ADDgolfer

    Maybe in NYC. You think LA will get rid of their ride? Don’t even consider middle America.

    • robert corbett

      I would bet money this article was written in NYC by ultra liberal millenials.

      • ADDgolfer

        In their own bubble oblivious to how the interior lives, works and plays.

  • Aaron Adamson

    What absolute crap.

    Ever heard of trailerboats?

    Thought not.

  • Roger Cotton

    Wishful thinking by those in the Democrat Party who are in thrall to environmentalist fanatics..

    • robert corbett

      exactly however the problem is they may have enough sheep to buy into this herding operation within the next 50 to 100 years.

  • ActivistAngel

    Good. They can’t release anti gravity technology until all cars are computerized. Can you imagine giving 16 year olds a flying car?
    Each one needs to be installed with an override kill switch that bypasses all computers and pulls the car over and stops. Otherwise the CIA can kill more journalists.

  • Joe Johnson

    This will not happen. Nobody wants to order a ride in some crappy car and wait for it to show up. Also, ghetto people will undoubtedly trash these things, hookers will be turning tricks in them, they won’t be near as popular as predicted.

  • robert corbett

    I call bull crap on the no car by 2030 prediction. I recall as a teenager in the 1960s by now we would be commuting in flying cars. In fact I can travel 60 miles from my home and see Omish still using horses for transportation. This looks like some greenie globalist agenda propaganda to condition people to live in cities and accept even more public transportation which is not even close to free but subsidized by my gasoline taxes and other government. Apparently those billboards mass transit subsidies aren’t enough to make even bus or subway transportation free. Anytime you are offered something for free hold on to your wallet and personal liberty (freedom of movement). Free transportation would ultimately mean big government and corporation would decide where you need to go, how often you go, when you should go, or whether you should be allowed to go to any particular place at all. In short you will need to take my car when you can pull my cold dead hands off the steering wheel.

  • I’m glad I don’t live where that will be happening.

  • BigDonutz

    “Autonomous cars will … inject an additional $1US trillion into the pockets of Americans by 2030.”

    The economy is based on market forces. If people have an extra trillion in their pocket, than that means everything else goes up in price until everything’s scarce and unaffordable again, like real estate, etc.

    • robert corbett

      This would be no more free than existing buses trains airplaines boats. The issue is always who pays and how much is taken from the most productive to make it “free” or almost free for someone else. Think Obama phones or food stamps. BTW isn’t Uber losing money?

  • Hal Slusher

    Still waiting for the flying cars we were promised

  • Jim Thompson

    Pretty soon these self driving disasters will kill someone and the insurance will skyrocket. At one point you’ll be signing liability documents and such… that will be the end of this crap.

  • ~Rose~

    Ewwww. I don’t want to ride a communal vehicle.

  • American Eagle

    Bullshit and no thanks to smelly buses and faces.

  • Hal Slusher

    Oh joy my taxi showed up and smells like ass, puke, semin and old tuna fish.

  • Fred863

    Don’t you think aging Americans will BUY one of these when they can no longer legally drive? I know I will. I’ll still be independent and won’t have to rely on a ‘shared’car.

    • robert corbett

      I am 65 so my current 35 year old wife or 2 1/2 year old son should be able to take me where I want to go in my own friggen car when the time comes.

  • Pax Romana

    No car owners! Loony Liberal wishful thinking. Everyone becomes cog
    in the government machine. I’m surprised they’re not pushing that
    everyone will use bicycles to save the planet.

    At the 1939 Worlds Fair, the World of Tomorrow showed what life would be like in 50 years. Everyone used Flying Cars! So I KNOW this 2030 prediction is gonna happen. For sure!

    • Giovanni Sagredo

      This is not Liberal, this is economic. The Liberals, if they do anything, will slow it down.

      • robert corbett

        ……by slow it down you mean the liberals would take your car and issue you a “free” bicycle and a bus pass.

  • The_Usual_Suspect61

    I call bullshit.

  • robert corbett

    Yet one more reason to re-elect Trump in 2020 and put 60 + conservatives in the Senate.

    • Mikey1109

      You’ve got that correct. Over the last eight years I’ve had enough of liberals and their lousy policies to last me the rest of my life.

      • robert corbett

        Imagine the government doing for cars what they did for heath care and freedom of speech.

        • Mikey1109

          I just saw an article today that stated that we should expect another Health Care insurance premium increase next year for Obamacare. I sure wish they would get rid of Obamacare, I’m really tired of subsidizing other peoples insurance by paying high premiums and outrageous deductibles.

          • Giovanni Sagredo

            You are not paying for other people’s insurance with 0bamaCare. Because 0bamaCare is not insurance, it is pre-paid health care.

            Of course, with anything pre-paid when you go to collect what has already been paid for… you want as much as you can get. This explodes out of control… real fast.

          • Mikey1109

            That is not what I have been hearing from knowledgeable sources. Those sources say we are subsidizing other people’s insurance through higher premiums and ridiculous deductibles. The premiums and the deductibles that I am paying now compared to what they used to be are ridiculous and something needs to change. Getting rid of Obamacare would be a good start.

          • Giovanni Sagredo

            You didn’t get my point…

            0bamaCare is NOT insurance, it’s pre-paid health care.

            If a person pre-paid for lunch at a very expensive restaurant, i guarantee, not only would that person over stuff their face, they’d try to get things out in their hands, their pockets, and even their shoes.

          • Mikey1109

            I have never heard it called what you say it is.. From everything I’ve heard it’s Healthcare insurance and it was a replacement for the program prior to Obamacare. Even if you are correct, it’s still needs to go away. I will be the first to admit that prior to Obamacare the old Healthcare insurance System had it’s problems and needed improvements and needed things fixed. As far as I’m concerned that would be a good starting point to go back to. They can work from that point.

          • Giovanni Sagredo

            I buy fire insurance… i pray every day that i will not need to collect on that policy.

            I buy health insurance (the old major medical type)… i pray every day that i will not need to collect, no broken bones, no heart attack, no cancer.

            I get pre-paid health care, i want prescriptions for aspirin, once i meet my deductible, i’ll visit the dermatologist if my nose itches.

            What do you mean “Even if you are correct, it’s still needs to go away”? How stupid can you be??? It is BECAUSE i am correct that this needs to go away.

          • Mikey1109

            No, how stupid can you be? Re-read my post and try to comprehend this time. I said, I have always heard it called healthcare insurance not pre paid healthcare like you say It is. After that comment, I also said no matter what it’s called (which means I’m admitting that maybe you’re right) it needs to go away. Did you get it that time smart aleck or do you need to read it again,

  • Why wouldn’t people still own their own vehicles? You will not get rid of car culture, especially in the US. At least older cars weren’t vulnerable to hackers.

    • Giovanni Sagredo

      In LA and Miami you are correct about the Car Culture.
      In NYC, Chicago, Boston, not so much.

  • ReReg

    It’s what the elite is working toward while they own Lear Jets.

  • Jeff

    I read this article and what do I see, an ad from my local Cadillac dealer trying to sell me a car.

    • robert corbett

      …….don’t worry the Caddy should outlast the no car idea.

      • Giovanni Sagredo

        For a little while… a very little while.
        The Maserati will last longer.

      • Jeff

        No doubt. The article seems to be a rehash of bad ideas from the 1970s about public shared bikes and “electric cars” that were more like golf carts.

  • robert corbett

    Like we don’t already depend enough on the grid and electric power. One Carrington EMP and we get a mass population kill.

  • Giovanni Sagredo

    The 10x factor is BS.

    In the larger-ish cities owning a car (i used to own one in a large US city) is painful. If the total cost is 1.5x that will be enough. I will not have to drive it through slow annoying rush hour traffic, i will not have to park it, not have to fuel it, not have to finance it, not have to fix it, not have to clean it.

    The biggest hurdle is going to be legal. One issue will be regulatory, the other issue will be liability. If there is an accident whose pockets will the ambulance chasers be able to dig into, and by how much?

    So the biggest obstacles will be from the Liberal side… trying to protect the sheeple with regulations.

    Batteries, traditionally the biggest obstacle for EVs, will not be an issue. If the cars are owned in fleets and since downtime costs money, batteries will be swappable in an under 30 second automated operation.

    • bstoff

      This idea makes sense only for congested urban areas, and could be forced upon those living there. Urbanites are easily herded into things like this. Outside of urban areas? No way.

      • Giovanni Sagredo

        I agree, to a degree.

        NYC, Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, and Chicago will be the first “victims” in roughly that order. Because the “Car Culture” is lower and the pain of ownership is higher, love of tech and green higher.

        Those population centers are about 15% of the US population. It will not be instantaneous, but by the time those population centers have mostly converted, the price will have dropped and other population centers will come into play… expanding and expanding.

        Eventually this will also absorb suburbia. When the cost of car ownership is higher than using a fleet car, why own one? And with a fleet car I can go out, intoxicate myself, and still get home with convenience.

        The only remaining obstacles will be time convenience and hauling stuff. If i live in a rural area getting the fleet car will take too long. If i have lots of equipment i need in the back of my pickup, i will still own my pickup.

  • Carl Anon

    I refuse to give up driving. It’s more than going from point A to point B, it’s therapeutic. Beware those who would take that away from me after a 12 hour day.

  • TexasMom2012

    It would be another way for the government to use to coerce behavior. No way would I willingly hand over another area of my life. I’m still seething over being forced to pay for so much medical insurance that I do not want nor do I need.

  • Steve Crompton

    Its obvious that this “study” has been done by a green company that desperately wants to get rid of cars and replace them with their “autonomous vehicles” Its a load of crock and using New York is a meaningless example since that City has been using mass transportation in a big way for the last 100 years. Try that in LA, San Antonio or Phoenix – its not going to happen. And I recently read another article that says that self-driving vehicles being used in a big way are getting caught up in legal and insurance problems that could tie them up for decades, so that puts another hole in their “study.” Now, will more people buy electric and hybrid cars? YES, but they are still going to be driving them just like cars are being driving now.

  • Firestopper

    Rubbish, you’ll never separate people from their cars – not now, not in 1000 years – this is more al gore bullshyte!

    • Giovanni Sagredo

      At 10x the price of ownership… people will switch.

  • bstoff

    Great idea for the millennials with PHDs on their way to their Starbucks jobs 5 miles away. Everybody else, not so much. Force it on yourselves, utopians.

  • Ron Davis

    I will never submit to the evils of self driving cars!!!! I don’t even like automatic transmissions! Gimme 2 doors, 2 seats and a 5 speed manual and I’m happy.

    • Giovanni Sagredo

      And a 10x price tag… you’ll switch. It just may take longer.

  • 9eyedeel

    “study by think tank” oooh SOUNDS SERIOUS VERN we better do what the flying pig tells us

    experts are MEDIOCRE LYING WHORES, we have expert testimony to prove that

  • †Col.Duncan†

    Uh anyone try and force me to do anything will be shot. I will never give up control of my automobile, just look at what happened to Hastings..

  • Giovanni Sagredo

    It’s a price issue… at some point, why bother?

    Unless the government tries to either regulate it, or force it. Either of which will slow this down. Leave it to economics, people will switch.

  • Troll

    This is one of those articles I feel dumber for having read. First off, solar energy only spiked because government pigs spent trillions in subsidies (wasting taxpayer money to give fellow pigs like Solyndra and Google “incentives”) fabricating the illusion that solar energy is economically viable. If this idiot predicted the spike based on market, his credibility is officially shot. Solar panels are NOT VIABLE. The only reason they exist is pig subsidies. That’s why Google’s epic billion dollar failed solar thermal plant didn’t even use solar cells.

    Secondly, 14 years is NOT enough to phase out half a billion cars and trucks.

    Thirdly, only a person with a gun to their head will give up their pickup or favorite sedan in favor of a glorified taxi voucher. It would take at least a couple generations of zombie sheep (Americans dumber than millennials) to eventually be brainwashed into thinking the corporatocracy should own them.

    And finally, there’s nothing efficient about a car that has to drive twice as far to get a person the same number of miles.

    • Giovanni Sagredo

      Solar is not being propped up by the Government. They tried. And that slowed things down. And Solyndra is the PERFECT example. It should have been allowed to die, Solar would have happened faster.

      This will be pure economics. Unless the government gets involved, which will only slow it down.

      You’re right about the pickup… particularly if you store stuff in the back. But the sadan… toast.

      • Troll

        What do you mean, “tried”? Solar is STILL being propped with subsidies.
        https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2016/05/15/oilprice-solar-power-companies-subsidies/84331716/

        • Giovanni Sagredo

          BS.

          From YOUR article “tax incentives granted the solar power sector that have repeatedly proved that they are *NOT* doing sector players any favors” (emphasis added).

          It would happen faster (and nicer) if the Government would keep out of it.

          • Troll

            And from my article, they are still happening. The facts are the takeaway, not the garbage analysis of the facts. The only consumers of solar cells are the government and massive “progressive” businesses like Google. There’s also niche markets like backup power supplies and the couple of homeowners that grabbed them thanks to massive subsidies.

          • Giovanni Sagredo

            You are correct, the subsidies ARE still happening. And they are only slowing things down by keeping the non-viable sections alive.

  • dok dokki

    Only if government gets in the way aka leftists taxing individual ownership into extinction.

    • Troll

      They’ll probably run over a few hundred people with cars driven by fake terrorists and then ban them “for your protection.” Those people are so unbelievably evil, I wouldn’t put anything past them.

    • Giovanni Sagredo

      Nope. The economics will drive this. Leftist could only slow it down.

      • Troll

        Economics will not “drive” it, but good pun. It’s not economically viable, so cronyism will drive it if it ever happens. It’ll be like Uber or Snapchat, losing over a billion a year, but so large, people will think it’s worth billions.

        • Giovanni Sagredo

          Try to own a car in NYC. Where your parking space may actually cost more than the car. Economics.

          • Troll

            And yet, there’s over a million cars there. And apparently there’s a ton of them moonlighting as Uber drivers.

          • Giovanni Sagredo

            Yes, because if you need a car… you have no choice. With a cheaper choice to car ownership, people will stop owning cars.

  • HondoCogburn

    Soylent Green is right around the corner.

    • Troll

      That was a pretty good pun too.

      • HondoCogburn

        Thanks, we’re headed for a brave new world.

  • Trogg

    Who do you sue when these autonomous vehicles make a mistake and destroy property or lives? Yes, people in very congested cities like New York would go for such a service, but for the rest of us no. I see a very different future for the automobile. Thorium nuclear reactors will make electricity 200 times cheaper than it now is. This means electric cars will be more viable. Hydrogen and oxygen separated from water will be the new fuel for motor transport, possibly in fuel cells. Commuter cars half the width of conventional cars will be part of the mix, there by running two in a lane similar to motor cycles ( Look up Tango Electric car on You Tube). It will also be possible to make hydrocarbon fuels form sea water with such abundant electricity. This article reads like an agenda 21propoganda peace. Sorry, there will be no new world order elites and technocrats.

    • Troll

      There’s some really great power technology being explored right now. Algae and fuel cells have quite the potential, as you pointed out. Cars can be refitted to run on anything from recycled cooking oil to jet fuel. Batteries are kind of getting better and capacitors are as well. Breeder reactors using thorium and “depleted uranium” should have happened decades ago.

      In order for most of this to happen, though, gas will have to get scarce enough for people to consider alternatives. The long term investment is too ponderous otherwise. As long as gas prices stay below $3, who’s going to buy a hybrid? Even with subsidies, very few people will. And why replace half a billion cars with more expensive cars if it will only save you money 30+ years down the road?

      Nuclear is the one that’s currently viable, being the cheapest known energy source. People are too afraid of it, though.

  • Mike M

    Retarded theory.

  • Mike Maliska

    The problem I see with this article is it’s trying to say two things and they are only getting it half right.

    1.) Electric cars will become cheaper and more people will go this route. (Yes, I agree this will happen)

    2.) Cars sold to Individual and families will decrease and everyone will just want to use Ubur and Lift. (Sure as the next generation of kids can’t afford a car and just borrow mom and dad’s car or simply use Ubur and List sales will decrease, however once the kids start having families and move out of the city they will need a car. Individual car ownership will not go away.)

    • Giovanni Sagredo

      Why would you need a car? You open your cell, tell it “i need a car to the mall” and by the time you have put on your coat it’s waiting outside your door.

      You don’t have to tip the “driver”. You will not even need to walk from the parking lot to the mall entrance, since you will get out at the mall entrance. And you will watch youtube video the whole way. And it will cost less (this is the main point) than owning a car.

      • Russian Under Your Bed

        Cause the government is going to have your car stop and pick up some drunks also going that way. You’ll get stabbed even though there are cameras in there stupid will not realize it like people that still can’t figure out cops can pull up cellphone records.

  • Linda Almonte

    Maybe in liberal cities. But the other 90% of the country in suburban and rural areas have zero interest .

  • buckeyejim

    Right !!! In the 50’s we were told ” 20 years from we will all have flying cars. and you will clean you kitchen with a hose.

  • cudapup

    Yup and by the year 2000 we will be in flying cars and homes will be built underwater because land will be so scarce.

  • davebr

    Complete bollox.

  • cudapup

    Fact is, the western world with the path its on will loose flush toilet technology, electricity will be on 2hrs a day and your grandkids will marvel at how Ala built the Eiffel tower.

  • sam

    Rubbish.

  • evoval

    According to Deagle com by 2025 the population in the USA will be 69 million, ooop’s that number was revised to 64 million, so for the unlucky 300 million they’re probably right!

  • Russian Under Your Bed

    Self driving cars are gonna crash a lot outside of well mapped big cities. I was trying to figure out why online maps have a break near my house where the road goes through. When I hit satellite view the reason was there, a large oak leaning over the road and the stupid software can’t figure it out. With that view It really does look like a dead end at both ends. Others are dead ends and claim they go through. Someone is going into the lake.

    Even in the city it’s going to be fun between lane closings or a wrecked cars/object that matches the horizon.

  • Chris Drongers

    Nick gets it. No governmemt is going to make your gas car piloted by you illegal. The insurance companies will make it too expensive to operate, even a first gen self driving car will have a crash rate so much lower than a Good ‘ol boy that you won’t be able to afford to pay your insurance, or if uninsured the person you hit, or the homeowner whose mailbox you took out on a wide corner on snow will sue you back to a bough shed in the woods. Private property rights are what will kill human driven cars.

    • KhadijahMuhammad

      “The insurance companies will make it too expensive to operate”

      Pure conjecture without data to back it up.

      • Chris Drongers

        Precedent: cost of insuring Florida beachfront property against rising seas without federal subsidy and the Army Corps of Engineers as backup. A foreseeable, therefore assessable and chargeable risk

        • KhadijahMuhammad

          Apples and oranges. Let’s stick to autos, shall we?

          Insurance rates rise and fall based on perceived risk. The conjecture here is that self-driving vehicles will prove to have *substantially* less risk than personally driven vehicles. If it’s 10% or 20%…..that’s not going to change current reality much at all. A decade ago when gas prices were hitting 4-5-6 dollars a gallon, it was noted that people didn’t change their driving habits until the cost to operate their vehicles nearly doubled.

          So, we need to have at least a 40-50% decrease in premiums to cause a market change. What we dont know yet is how much safer (if at all) a self-driving vehicle will be compared to a human driver **in a fully tricked out vehicle with a complete array of sensor aids**. We of course do not have that data because so few vehicles with 360 degree audio and visual sensors, and automatic braking, are in service.

          My instinct tells me that the human computer, given the same access to potential collision data as the self-driving car, will perform within 10-20% of the self-driving, thus no massive shift to self-driving takes place.

          • Chris Drongers

            I agree that humans will follow the boiled frog re response to incrementally increasing costs. Better to get the autodrive 99.999% right then hit drivers with a 100-200% premium to drive yourself. Or charge by the mile in self or auto drive mode. Abyway, evidence suggests that a significant percentage of drivers prefer checking phones or texting to actually driving

          • Giovanni Sagredo

            For the user using a fleet car personal insurance cost will drop 100%.

  • JoeAmerica

    I despise getting on airplanes. They’re filthy, smell of hundreds of former passengers, fat, perspiring people, people wearing dreadlocks, eating burgers, coughing, vermin laden vehicles and cramped seats. All this in an effort to save money? I’ll keep my vehicle and gladly pay the price.

  • Grutch

    Im still going to ride my fkn motorcycle.

  • picar99

    Here we have an excellent example of agenda driven journalism, which is a major reason why no one with half a brain trusts the media.

  • KhadijahMuhammad

    What seems to be forgotten is that people often enjoy driving.

    • Chris Drongers

      And some enjoy riding horses. So? Not many horses commute in Queens or Butte.

  • Another Commenter

    “Autonomous” cars will go where the State and the corporations want you to go. And if they don’t want to provide transportation, you’ll walk. Private cars = freedom. Autonomous cars = totalitarian dystopia.

  • Mike Gilmer

    This is pure fantasy tree hugging male bovine feces.

  • Elwood Slub

    Morons!

    • Chris Drongers

      Yeah, i know. The petrol fumes have fugged their brains

  • ManWithout A Country

    Another Obama wet dream… Remember Al Gore’s end of the world prediction (now passed)? Electric everything (batteries, solar panels, et. al.) cost more to produce then the old combustion vehicle.

    Like Obama said, “If we can get gas to $10.00/gal, we can sell electric cars.” The true liberal philosophy.

    • Elwood Slub

      Obozo wet dream….with which moron did he/it have the dream

      • ManWithout A Country

        With his bud, domestic American terrorist – ghost writer… figure it out yourself.

  • Neal Schultz

    I call shenanigans on this. This is all about promoting the Agenda 2031 where people no longer live (or can buy) single family homes and we must all live in smaller high rise apartment houses and everyone must take public transit all in the name of greater government regulation and control of your life. Fight this FUTURE FAKE NEWS. This is just crazy. They tried forcing us into car pools but that didn’t work…because in each work place people come from 20 different locations and all need to do 20 different things and times and places after work. This is is just the latest argument to get us all thinking like Captain Planet and give up more of our freedom to live in a government supplied dome. Soon….they globalists will be charging us for the air we breathe. “Hey it’s just a cleaning fee to keep everyone breathing the best air possible!”. Unh huh. Stay sharp people….. Just remember GREEN is the new RED…..

  • WorthC

    Here we have an excellent example of agenda driven journalism, proposing a preposterous scenario that in 13 short years from now a huge, century old industry will be dead, replaced by a new huge industry whose components and infrastructure presently do not exist. It’s no coincidence that the proposed industry will be essentially state controlled, shaped by tax codes, and drastically restrictive to individual freedom, the author’s risible fig leaf of “economically driven” change notwithstanding. These people are scary. They want everything you have, and everything you’re ever going to have.

  • Captain chaos

    This concept fails to consider the most important thing in people’s lives…time. I can get to work faster if I get in my car and go right now. I don’t have time to be at the mercy of something over which I have no control. I am not alone.

    The aev is just a repackaged existing product. It is a motor vehicle. Nothing has changed in terms of getting from point a to point b except that it will take longer. The change from horse to car was embraced because of an increase in speed (distance/time). This service will be a convenience but I don’t see it as an everyday way of living unless it can get from a to b faster than I can right now

  • Peter Trzop

    I want to be a futurists! You can make stuff up and no one will be around to care if you are right.

  • froggy546

    More nonsense from the likes of people like Gore. Full of bull and no substance. I will keep my car as I have no intention of letting the government know where I am going, when I am going and if I am going.

  • shannon henderson

    The longer I live the more I see that most people do not love freedom, enjoy being slaves. I don’t want to have to called someone/something and wait for a car, even if it’s 1 minute. I want to be able to go when I want to go and when I want to go without a third party being involved.

  • shp

    Yes, this might work in libturd states where they’re paying 19 cents a kilowatt hour for power and around three dollars for a gallon of gas but not in the rest of the country where they’re paying 11 cents for a kilowatt hour and closer to two dollars for a gallon for gas.

    But keep trying, there’s a fool born every minute.

  • cyberdove

    What good are cheaper products when nobody has a job?

  • Rhonie Briley

    This is the same type of report that we heard back in the 1960’s, saying we will have flying cars, and everyone would have one by the year 2000. Where is my flying car?

    • Buck Glynn

      THey also predicted the sea would flood NY and Florida.

  • FredRicksberg

    Right. Great thinking tank.

  • Dan

    Most states can not find the funds to fix the potholes in the roads and cities are far worse. Pipe dream wish piece.

  • No doubt criminals and organized crime will jump at this technology. This think tank seems to be suffering from a migraine.

  • Buck Glynn

    If the Democrats Have their Way, we will be a poor Third World Country dominated by Hispanics and Muslims by 2030.. Terrorism will be the headline daily.

    • SavageGulf

      At least the women won’t be allowed to drive. They might be half right.

  • SavageGulf

    I thought we’d all be dead from global warming by then. What a relief. No wonder Earnhardt retired.

  • mrgb

    “A brilliant red Barchetta….”

  • sodacrackers2

    Either that or we will be begging the Amish for help on how to live off the grid!

  • Ranger_Ric

    Yeah yeah… When I was in grade school in the 70s I was told by the time I graduated, all road signs would be in kilometers and we would have flying cars by the time I graduated.

    • Giovanni Sagredo

      All US road signs ARE in 62.5% Kilometers (and they have been since before the 70s).

    • Will

      Yep. In the 60s, we were told that the family car would fly and roads would become obsolete, that the first child would be born on the moon in 1980, and we would colonize Mars by 2000. ‘They’ also said we would run out of water by 2000, but would have frozen to death from Global Cooling by 1990 anyway.

      As far as metric signs, we were supposed to convert Jan 1, 1976, but Congress chickened out Nov 1975 just before their Thanksgiving-Christmas recess. Back then, all road signs already were dual and many filling stations had bought pumps selling in liters. Plus, I, like many kids, had only learned the metric system years earlier in grade school. Then Congress mandated that everyone return to the English system. I still don’t understand what an ounce is.

  • oldvlc

    This is bravo sierra. In fact I think this whole website is bravo sierra. This is what happens when you use education to brainwash students.

  • Trump Rules

    We will all be delivered by drones owned by bezos

  • recallpost

    Only liberals will be without cars.

  • Steve Lobber

    Ha! Sounds more like a communistic society, where no one owns property, but all is property of the state. Crackpot dreamers and the claim one’s predictions about solar power has come true – well, solar power went from 1% to 2% of the total power in use. Well, a lot of Obama cronies were able to take $millions from government (our) funds to pay for their pie in the sky scams (ex. Solyndra).

  • John Bball

    25 years ago these forward thinkers said a global ice age was coming shortly.
    Then 15 years ago we were told global warming will put us 5 feet under water in 10 years.
    50 years ago these forward thinkers told us we would have nuclear powered cars and electricity would be too cheap to meter.

  • John Bball

    Wont do ride sharing for the same reason i don’t do the bus….. I want to avoid bed bugs, drunkard’s vomit, used condoms, jerry curl on the windows, druggies needles etc etc etc.

  • Fathom40

    “Lead consultant and co-author Tony Seba, who specialises in disruptive technologies. His early forecasts for the enormous uptake of solar where considered crazy, but were proved right, and he has since said that new technologies will make coal, oil and gas all but redundant by 2030).”

    This one quote tells you all you need to know about how idiotic this article is.

  • Dd1055

    These silly and foolish electric cars will be powered by solar, wind, and unicorn flatulence. Rubbish..

  • way2confused

    what will happen to the tens of millions of auto manufacturing jobs? Where will these people work and what will they do. And last I heard, electric cars can’t go more than a few hundred miles on a single charge. What abut those of us who what to drive across country? Oh, right, UN Agenda 21 will confine us to the coasts living in shoe boxes and the middle of the country will be off limits to most people–elitist globalists will be exempted.

  • YesMeansNOMeansYES

    Amazing to me how so many people are excited to be useless

  • Billygoattincan

    The author is trawling for fools and naifs. Never gonna happen. Just another rationale for the millenials to delay savings, hoping that millenials will keep spending and further delay savings because no car will be needed.

  • Bill Thrower

    pure BS.
    First of all people will still want to take trips so they will need cars. They will still need their pickups to get yard supplies, waste removal, lumber for home projects etc…
    When you can pile a family of four with luggage into one of these electric cars in Chicago and take it all the way to Disney World in Orlando FL then we will talk.

    So sick of liberals thinking everyone lives in a major city and just can’t wait to be dependent on the government for everything.
    Think about it. Do you really want the government to control when, where or even IF you will be allowed to travel?

  • fatticous

    All of these predictions are always 13-20-50 years out so no one will remember or care.It’s just designed to get you into an uproar about something,IE the stupid global warming crap that is just weather!!

    • Gabby Johnson

      good point. BTW, per 1970’s geniuses we are supposed to be under 100 ft of snow right now…..ho hum…

      • Drive-by-Comment

        Parts of California got 50 feet this past winter. It was snowing a few weeks ago.

        • Gabby Johnson

          hmm, maybe there is an upside to all this after all?

  • Gabby Johnson

    Idiotic progressive nonsense posing as bellwether. Cage liner journalism at its worst! I would expect this type of nonsense in NYT or Yahoo or WAPO or LATimes.

    Anyhoo, its just like the garbage about Trump hating Bannon. Psy-ops pure and simple. Drive the narrative by driving the discourse by making up stories.

    Wishful thinking. Is the author related to ALGORE?

  • acidulous

    Sounds like a globalist’s wet dream. Leftists don’t like the peasants owning cars. Just like they don’t like them living outside of jammed urban settings. They want them to reply on public transport. Call it anything you want, what is described is essentially public transportation. Bet none of the jobs losses and disruptions will cause them to rethink immigration though. Keep bringing in more and more peasants and subject the rest of us to a peasant lifestyle. No thanks.

  • Jeff Hamilton

    Zero chance I’m giving up my truck and the freedom it provides to have a latte and a ride in an autonomous car. Maybe younger generations will not want that same freedom, but I’m not remotely interested.

  • Aaron Dervrak

    This…might….be true in some of the larger metropolitan areas, but I can guaran-damn-tee that no company or local government is going to send a “free” car out the 50 miles of rough dirt and gravel roads in my rural area every time I want to make a beer run or go grocery shopping. My pickup will still be hauling me around in 2030 and long after…

  • claymore cluepile

    yah sure youbetcha….next thing you know some looney will be predicting that people will fly through the air by the millions in great silvery tin cigar tubes with tiny wings at over 500 miles an hour using engines that have no propellers

  • ata777

    maybe YOU won’t own a car, but I sure as hell will

  • Paul Rodgers

    Keep on dreaming and spouting your political agenda. When you grow up you will see that the people of the world are smarter than you and we recognize that there is NO green energy alternative that is COST EFFECTIVE at this time or any time in the near future. The ONLY reason that wind and solar power have gained any traction is because of MASSIVE government subsidies, many of which ended in taxpayer losses.

  • Drive-by-Comment

    Insane.

  • sentinel45

    The kind of bs you get from writers who live in coastal cities. They have absolutely no clue. Personal car = freedom = America.

  • J2

    The article fails to mention that EVs are relatively low ranged vehicles, and that battery technology has hit a plateau. It also ignores the fact that the subsidies for EVs are going to go away under Trump, while at the same time the regulatory burdens imposed on coal, oil, and gas under Obama are getting repealed.

    Electric still isn’t competitive with gas when it comes to travel range and cost per mile.

  • Dennis

    People in giant cities have already by in large stopped buying cars. This isn’t going to affect smaller cites and rural areas much at all though.

  • Gerrett Sipsma

    Your all missing the real point staring us in the face. Why are we allowing think tanks to take over true democracy. Are you not sick of college and university educated (spoiled children) deciding our future for us, all the while sidestepping our input? I also have no doubt the one percent while still have garages filled with gas guzzlers.

  • Mike Oswald

    I’m 52 now, I’ll be riding Harleys well into my 90s.

  • oscar1939

    And Hillary was going to be elected in 2016

  • Humility

    Sure! Every government plan says it will save money … and then bureaucracy happens.
    .
    Taxes! Taxes! Taxes! Give ’em all to the wonderful pigs who will redistribute equally.

  • Mike

    I hate writers that inject acronyms (ICE, Taas, etc) without ever telling you what they mean. Also, terrible grammar in several areas. Its almost as if the author did not check his work.

  • Jay Iff

    But how will “gangstas” do drive by shootings?!?!?

    • T-grondo

      True…and what will bank robbers do without their “get away drivers”?

      • not having much fun

        They will most likely ‘speed away’ not to exceed posted speed limit…loll

  • Gorilla Mojo

    have fun installing a evs in southside Chicago!

  • Janet Noll

    No way you elite pigs. You want us groveling, living in tents, without any ways to protect ourselves and now foresee the masses unable to transport, keep dreaming. We know your greatest fears and see it with every zombie movie. Keep the memories clear and in focus, make us too mad and we will come for you and drag you out of your homes and eat you.

  • FU

    THIS IS MORE of the demented democRATS big government taking away personal freedoms. Pick n’ flick those democRAT boogers.

  • JS biggs

    Yes, and we’ll all have flying cars by 2015. Think Mcfly, think!

  • kleronomia

    Bullcrap. Absolute bull. Then there wouldn’t be anymore fast and furious movies. But in all seriousness I don’t think the guy sees how deep the love affair goes between some car owners and their vehicles, whether it’s a car, truck, sportscar or whatever, I don’t see people giving up on private ownership.

  • Areyoukiddingme

    Big brother has gotten way too big

  • Think of all the revenue streams that will end:
    #1 Drunk Driving Fines/Lawyers costs
    #2 Car Insurance- FYI There is no way in hell they will exist if these cars are perfect.
    #3 Drive Thru / Food
    #4 Taxi Drivers UBER will be the First to die IMO
    #5 Auto body shops
    #6 The List goes on and on Add to it
    ***** Add to it

  • kcsparky

    Someone is smokin’ way too much crack!

  • ernldo

    BS! I don’t live anywhere close to a city, and they want my pickup, send the same clowns that want my firearms, but it won’t be easy…..

  • Colleen and Ross

    The article is intriguing but overstates the percentage of people that won’t own cars or use them. My guess is the elites and even upper middle class will still power up and run their fossil commuters to the office. Also guess this outfit never heard of a pick up truck, Fords number one selling vehicle.

    • aamericanovice

      Why would a city dweller know what a pickup truck is or why a person would have one?

  • Eurobaby

    This is right up there with hydrofarms, monorails, and Mars colonies…

  • Bob

    Another global warming scam … people are not going to give up the independence of driving when and where they desire. The model does not account for peak demand, congestion, charging, utility transmission load increases (electrical transmission lines cannot handle the additional loads and have a long lead time to add capacity). Globalist pipe dream.

  • Bunky

    We’ll all be zooming around in jet packs before this happens.

  • Joe Lizak

    Globalists dream. A cashless society, zero individual car freedom, iris scans at every turn and 90% of people living in 100 story micro apartments in large eco-cities.

    • CumExApostolatus

      Don’t forget soylent green. We don’t want to waste anything.

  • Mike

    Solar over fossil fuels? Really? Unit per Unit….right now you cannot get the amount of energy out of solar than a lump of coal will provide. There are more BTU’s available in that lump of coal. Until solar panels can capture and use more than20% of solar radiation and battery technology can improve to store that energy, solar will not be viable for the masses. The U.S. has over 200 years of energy between clean coal and natural gas

    • aamericanovice

      Liberals have a huge problem conceptualizing numbers. Give them a break.

      • Mike

        Yep. Reminds me of the time a oil activist walked up to me to sign a petition to ban oil. I told her, no thanks, I like the products that come from oil…like computers, tires, cars, medical supplies, …and that pen you are using…

    • Joe Lizak

      Solar and electric car technology is being surpressed from the public.

      • Mike

        Righhhhttt…those evil oil businessmen are keeping all new technology from taking over. Actually those same oil companies are investing in solar and battery technology…because if there is sure chance of it actually overtaking oil revenues…they want to be the first to be there…

  • Smitty

    I don’t think the author understands that a great portion of the country is rural and suburban. The future is supposed to be about “convenience”, and waiting for a fleet car is not convenient. Therefore, it won’t happen.

  • Red47 Jesus in a Che Shirt

    Bloomberg has an article with the real reason this is going forward:
    “A single autonomous car can generate the same data trove as 3,000 people surfing the internet, ”
    There is nothing left for the human. We are simply consumers now..

  • Joe Lizak

    Remember in the 1950’s they told us by the year 2000 everyone will be driving cars that fly? I don’t see many George Jetsons…. do you?

  • mind gorilla

    driving, home ownership, 1st amendment, 2nd amendment, jobs, freedom, gender …it’s all in the PAST and will be gone by 2030 – signed your progressive masters

  • not having much fun

    Cab companies have been around for years, so have buses, and other public transportation. These are most effective in cities, but how has that had any effect of car ownership? Auto ownership is at an all time high. Uber and Lyft, pray on the lower classes, to convince them to use their own vehicle to ferry people around. For some temporary cash, the owner / operator, uses his time and health of his vehicle (depreciation). Not too bright. So UBER and LYFT, create an app to make it easier for rider and operator to connect, and the app sets the price, of which Uber takes a large slice. Great buisness concept, but not to terribly good for the operator, as they will need a new car in short order, not to mention their double SS payments to FED and other FED taxes.

  • Monty Simmons

    LOL. No way the lawyers in black robes (judges), cops and government will let this happen. Too much money in being road pirates and shaking down the driving citizen for money.

    Consider this, the cops and lawyers in black robes always tell us how dangerous speeding is and such “danger” justifies the court’s actions in taking a drivers money and perhaps even putting a driver in jail, perhaps ruining the driver’s life, etc.

    So one would think if the government could stop speeding it would, right? Wrong. If no one exceeded the speed limit or drove badly the need for lawyers in black robes, road pirates, and its associated revenue stream would be significantly reduced! Further, these lawyers in black robes and cops may act like they “hate” taking actions that ruin driver’s lives but they actually love it. Nothing makes a judge happier than sending a citizen to jail although such judge will profess to her last breath the opposite is true.

    Now consider this, if a driver got a speeding ticket EVERY TIME he went over the speed limit, how many people would speed? Almost none. Great, right, all we have to do is monitor drivers so that a very high percentage of time they speed they get a ticket. Use a black box in all cars that knows how is driving and monitors the drivers speed and location. When the driver speeds, the black box records the location, speed and time and transmits a ticket when in range of a wireless signal.

    Could easily be done with today’s technology. But the government will not implement such a system as it would have a huge impact and almost eliminate all speeding. But then what would all the lawyers in black robes and road pirates do?

    Point is, the government wants people to get caught speeding X percent of the time where X is low enough that people continue to speed but and only get caught X percent of the time.

    If no one has a car the ability for lawyers in black robes to abuse their power and put citizens in jail and cops to play road pirate almost goes away. No way the government will support letting that happen.

  • Bossman

    now explain to me how they were so correct on solar power, hardly see anyone adopting this and it would go nowhere without government subsidies.

  • Yukiko

    We’ll all be living on and driving boats because global warming will have melted the ice caps and flooded the world. There won’t be any need or use for automobiles.

  • CombatMissionary

    This depends on electric cars having batteries that both have enough energy density to have ranges competitive with gas cars, plus rechargeability times approaching that of a simple fuel-up, and being as cheaply manufactured as internal combustion engines, as well as on the majority of Americans living in super-population -dense areas.

    The problem is that we’re moving to a virtual workforce model; when most white-collar workers telecommute, we can expect to see people moving away from city centers with their crime and crappy schools, and more people moving to small towns where the housing is cheaper. If we also continue to see virtual schools grow, this trend can be expected to increase, as people won’t be chained to a few magnet neighborhoods to have access to good middle- and high schools.

    Also, people wanting to live in superdense urban centers for the night life while having serial cohabitative relationships tend to have very few children, and this trend is only going to get more so with the rise of the MGTOW movement, birth control pills for men and/or young men getting vasectomies, as well as disillusioned young men getting fembots in order to avoid relationships with feministic harpies.

    Couple this with ever-more-advanced robotics cutting out manufacturing jobs, and we may be looking at an exploding economy (assuming Trump can get taxes and the welfare state under control), and we might start seeing most of the population living in the suburbs or even rurally again.

  • Charlie Victor Alpha

    I’ll own a car, because I want to.

  • not having much fun

    Try hooking up a 5th wheel onto an electric car. I think that the towing and camping industry will have some sway as to private ownership of vehicles. Cities may benefit from this, but not in fly over country.

  • canoe39

    It will be a lot more years than this prediction before electric cars make sense dollar wise.

  • Joe Lizak

    The EV-1 would get 180 miles per charge. It worked perfect for nearly every driver. There was zero maintenance except for tires. It was a fantastic car. So big oil crushed them in the Arizona desert. (Who Killed the Electric Car) … a great documentary.

    • shp

      Yes, 180 miles when it was warm outside and that went down to what, half that during the winter months? You know gas powered engines don’t lose that kind of range based on the weather, right?

      And are you supposed to own another vehicle when you want to take a trip further than 90 miles from home one way?

      And I’m still waiting for those electric charging stations every ten miles on the Interstate. You know, where you can find Big Oil to fill up? Where’s Big Electric?

      And as long as half the country is paying around $2 for a gallon of gas electric cars aren’t going to be in favor.

      Hello

      • Joe Lizak

        Most gay men say…. “HELLO”?

        • shp

          ROFL at you, kid.

          That’s the best you got?

          You must not own anything, because even an idiot such as yourself should also know an electric car isn’t towing a boat, RV, trailer, etc.

          Go back to your Mom’s basement, sonny.

        • T-grondo

          And what is the matter with being gay?

  • Bobby Walker

    bullshit of the highest order, not in fifty years

  • ikazuchi01

    “Or getting a free ride because the local government has decided to make transport easier.” – Ah, the government “free ride” – because no one will pay for that out of their taxes. It just will magically happen from the government money tree and “cost” the government to supply, not us.

  • Mary Berg

    Oh yeah?! I’ll give up my car when you can pry my cold, dead hands from the steering wheel, with my .380 safely by my side, of course.

  • Mr Dave

    The same happen to the printing press? Better checknagain, the printing press is very much alive and well on planet earth.

  • alex carter

    Fewer and fewer people can afford one.

  • mostcool

    This article must have been written by a bot. What a horrible example of editing.

    Hire an editor.

    • T-grondo

      The editor couldn’t get a ride to work!!!!

      • Joe Lizak

        LOL’s

    • CumExApostolatus

      It’s edited by a person whose native tongue isn’t English. I’d guess a Chinese person.

  • PatriotPenumbra

    We’re also supposed to be under water in 13 years because of global warming…..again…

    • CumExApostolatus

      Check out Ray Waru on “Project Seal” and there is also a recent news article titled “Tsunami Bomb Tested Off New Zealand Coast” which happened during WWII. Scribd has a document from 1950 titled, “The Final Report of Project Seal”.

  • Joe Lizak

    There is only one way this could happen. Globalists start WW3. Nearly all of America is wiped clean. They rebuild all infrastructure according to Agenda 21. People are slaves.

  • ricco

    My prediction: autonomous cars will be dirty, smell bad (puke and urine) and be full of graffiti inside and out.

    • Joe Lizak

      I see you rode in a New York cab too.

      • ricco

        former Bronxite

        • Joe Lizak

          My brother went to Prat.

    • T-grondo

      Cleaning out the autonomous cars will be one of those “jobs of the future”!

  • Colleen Egan

    Mr Seba obviously lives in a big city with little or no touch with the world outside the block he lives on. He takes the bus or train or rides in Uber or cabs. He probably doesn’t own a car or if he does, doesn’t know what make/model it is or anything about it other than where the key goes on the dash and how to put gas in it. Otherwise, no idea. He can’t drive a stick either. He uses VR for porn at least once a week. What he doesn’t know is the world outside his own thoughts and head. There are millions of collector cars in garages in this country. All of which use leaded gas. Farmers will never give up “cars/trucks” something has to plow the field. 2030 is only 13 yrs from now. Millenials who write this stuff confuse the rest of us who actually live in the real world. In 13 years, I will be 64 yrs old. I will still be driving my 1970 Corvette with lead additive in the tank and a fuel cap that vents to the atmosphere. Because I can. Cars will be gone in 2030! No, Mr Seba, you’ll just be 13 yrs older and hopefully wiser. You should get outside once in a while and get the smell of your mothers basement and that coffee shop off ya.

  • jeffH

    Solar is sill 12% of electric grid.What heavy penetration are They referring to.

  • Reddog

    Look how the world just got hacked by ransomware. How about GPS jammers?…It is after all a satellite radio signal. Can we really trust driverless cars on the road in great numbers when they’ve crashed before? I’d feel safer on a horse.

  • Wearyman

    This is idiotic. Battery power technology is NOWHERE NEAR where it needs to be for this to happen. Yes, some batteries exist that get about halfway to the goal this guy is predicting, but they are incredibly unstable and unsafe to use in automotive applications. This isn’t just a matter of the structure of the batteries, but of the chemistry and physics involved with how they work. As Mr. Scott was fond of saying: “Ya canna’ change the laws of physics!” Until such time as a brand new battery tech is developed that is lightyears better than current battery tech, we will still be driving regular cars for the foreseeable future.

    Of course, none of that touches on the massive cultural shift that would be required for this to happen. Yes, Uber is popular in cities and even suburbs due to the high cost of car ownership. But even there the “uberites” do mostly WANT cars, they just aren’t practical on a cost basis. And in the suburbs and countryside they are pretty much a requirement to get anywhere.

    However, when we realize that the excess cost of ownership is MOSTLY imposed upon car owners in a top-down fashion via government regulation we can see the answer to fixing that problem. If we lighten up regulation on the car manufacturers and oil producers the cost of auto ownership would decline dramatically. We could utterly do away with the CAFE standards, for starters, then dump mandatory Ethanol blending and allow the industry to create a uniform fuel standard, cutting down an 50 different state’s worth of custom fuel blends, etc. These are just a couple examples, but there is PLENTY that we can do to improve auto ownership.

    Also, the truth is: PEOPLE LIKE THEIR CARS. A car is still very much a personal statement, and an issue of Freedom of Movement. If you are dependent on a pay-to-play service to get anywhere, you are dependent on someone else and something else. Americans prefer independence. It’s kind of our thing. I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

  • Mickey Mouse

    Remember in the fifties, by 2000 we would all have rocket packs, or flying cars.

  • Macranthunter

    This assumes all people do is go to work. Americans DO things. They carry things. They MAKE things. Things that you can’t carry in Uber. Cars aren’t transportation in the US -they are a means to production. Articles like this are wishcasting not predictions. They hope that by saying Americans won’t own cars maybe they can CONVINCE them not to own cars.

  • Speedzzter

    I’ll be glad when the idiots go to self-driving welfare cars. More fuel for me and I’ll be able to slash my way through traffic (intimidating the computer-controlled autonomous cars into yielding with daring moves only a skilled human driver can make)

  • Joseph D.

    …”Because electricity is free!”

  • Joe Lizak

    Globalists have pipe dreams. Then they pay a writer $500 bucks to put it in print. Let the idea fly in the wind…. see what the reaction is. See what might stick. This “no car for you” idea is flying like a lead balloon.

  • Edward Brandwein

    If the industry doesn’t find a way to make an affordable car it might be true. Already many younger folks no longer desire a car the way people from my generation did years ago. Between the cost of the car, the insurance, gas repairs, etc, its too expensive for a lot of people now.

    • Joe Lizak

      Your words are true. My 28 year old neighbor has no interest is owning a car. It’s stunning.

    • Wearyman

      It’s not the industry doing this though, It’s the government. Regulations on the auto industry (and all the connecting industries that feed into the auto industry, such as oil, tires, electronics, steel, etc.) have been regulated nearly to death in the US. If we can dump much of this regulation, then we can drastically reduce the cost of doing business, and thus the cost of car ownership.

      • CumExApostolatus

        It isn’t the ‘government’. It’s the government taking orders from the corporate overlords.

      • Edward Brandwein

        Agreed. But the industry needs to lead that charge. So far, all I see is prices continuously rising. There is no pressure on anyone to go the other way. The market will kill the auto industry all by itself if it continues for too much longer.

  • Bilderberg Chairman

    Shove that right up your ar$e Soros – (SIDEWAYS)

  • Old GM commercial, It’s not just your car, it’s your freedom

    In the middle ages serfs were not allowed to travel outside of 5 miles from the Lord’s manner. It’s just no your car, it’s your freedom.

  • Who cares?

    So the kid that just got out spit on the floor, the creep next door masturbated in the car an hour ago, the smelly lady upstairs takes her cats to the vet in it and leaves hair everywhere, little brat down the street grabbed every bar and rail with his sticky grubby hands…yeah just sounds pleasant! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e4583256abd596f2569de629f6ab944b6cc012ed1efe6c693382b545a4ecfce7.jpg

  • Bilderberg Chairman

    Here’s a better idea: overthrow the globalists, hang them lamp-posts, use their assets to pay off national debts and build border walls and require Israel to take in 5 million refugees.

  • S Campbell

    so, he predicts that all global car companies will have to share 5 million cars globally in sales……. new EVs will last forever he says. what a dreamer !

  • Fed Up Taxpayer

    Didn’t even get past the first paragraph. What a load of tripe.

  • CumExApostolatus

    The article states: “The report, by RethinkX, an independent think tank that focuses on technology-driven disruption and its implications across society, says this stunning and radical will be driven entirely by economics, and will overcome the current desire for individual car ownership, starting first in the big cities and then spreading to the suburbs and regional areas.” (AN INDEPENDENT THINK TANK… Now, that IS humorous!)
    The reason these ‘think’ tanks are so prescient is they are TOLD what the agenda is and they are told what parts are to be pushed out to the public, on what timetable and in what increments.
    The powers that be have decided that this is the ‘century of change’ and you have too large a ‘carbon footprint’ and You are a cancer on the planet. You know what the gold standard of care is for cancer, right? It’s cut, slash, and burn with toxic chemicals which eventually get rid of you rather than cure the cancer.
    So YOU are going to be TAXED INTO THE GROUND and that’s why you aren’t going to own a automobile. It’s because you won’t be able to afford to purchase one or maintain one between all the ‘carbon’ taxes and associated ‘mileage’ taxes, ‘gasoline consumption’ and heating oil consumption taxes, etc. you’ll be paying.

    The article further states: “This is a global technology disruption. So yes, this applies to Australia,” Seba tells RenewEconomy. “And this is going to happen despite governments, not because of governments.”
    That’s right Seba. Because Seba knows that governments take their marching orders from transglobal corporations which take their marching orders from those who own and run the money system.

    “Seba does not say that individual car ownership will completely disappear. By 2030, 40 per cent of cars will still be privately owned, but they will only account for 5 per cent of kilometres traveled.”

    That’s right Seba. Because Seba has been told by his corporate masters that eventually private ownership of transportation will be only for ‘necessary travelers’ —likely meaning corporate masters and the bureaucrats who run this shytty system for the money lenders.

    Will this all happen by 2030?? Unlikely. But this is article is used as predictive programming, to get you ready for the next step in the agenda. So get ready, peasants.

  • rdsouza

    How will these cars get built/run when the power availability will fluctuate every time the sun goes behind a cloud? Or we get a snow storm that covers the solar panels? Will we have nukulear stand by generators (those would take at least 2-5 years to steam up?)? Glad I did not buy a big boat listening to Al Gore….now these folks are saying we will not be under water.

  • Dnice

    lol, nice dream leftists…. I will never give up the freedom of MY OWN TRUCK….. It is the definition of freedom, freedom to go wherever I want whenever I want

  • Michael Berry

    Interesting. However this sort of utopian dream never quite seems to work out the way predictors think it will.

  • obamistake

    Just more liberal pie-in-the-sky utopian dreams. Giles Parkinson? That’s the most liberal name I’ve ever heard.

    Having a car represents freedom. I can go wherever I want, whenever I want. Reliance on something is a liberal thing.

  • Smarter Than You

    This article is about as credible as the glaring misspelling of “where” above.

  • blacknblue2

    Didn’t even spend a second reading such an idiotic idea. Did the author give one thought to the time frame? In thirteen years the author feels that this will happen?

    Time to crawl out from under those urban area sheets and look at the rest of the world. I would guess that many if not the majority of people living in Manhattan do not own a car. So it this author is looking through the prism of an urbanite — I can see where they are confused.

  • MDatBeach

    When you walk out of the grocery store and have to wait 15 minutes for a car to take you back home 3 miles, you will be wishing you had your old car back…..but of course by then, our groceries will probably be drone delivered to our homes

  • gman2

    Will they let me ride my motorcycle, how will I get my boat to the lake? What about pulling my travel trailer to a campground? I’m so screwed.

  • atheistinside

    Here comes the liberal utopia!
    I-just-can’t-wait to give up all of my privacy, liberty and freedom of movement!

    BTW this is all about the radical leftist plan of herding people into forced AGW scam compliance.

  • Guest

    This is absolutely insance. I don’t drive into town to buy a latte – as a stay at home mom, I’m driving kids to and from school and their various activites, running multiple errands in different locations, and trying to start a business requiring travel to multiple locations in different towns with products to sell to retail and stock – all while living in an area which receives over 250 inches of snow each winter with steep roads requiring 4-wheel drive vehicles to handle the roads in the winter.

    It seems that everyone at the above mentioned “think tank” lives in a flat area without tough winters and without children or multiple locations to drive to and from for their occupations. Bah Humbug!

    • CVN65

      Sounds like a bunch of techno nerds living in or near a big city. They cannot wrap their minds around a different reality.

  • cosmicwxdude

    Perhaps someday, but there will still be PLENTY of cars 13yrs from today. The electric autonomous cars are far from being ready today and people like their privacy. Remember when the Segway was going to change everything?

  • BobbyD

    This is crap similar to the now famous Google glasses. The reason for private transportation is convenience and control. Just look at rush hour traffic in any large city full of one passenger cars. They could car pool or take public transportation but they DON’T want to. Moreover the cost of private ownership is way cheaper as the driver is free, storage is free and much of the car care is free. The comparison of a horse-drawn buggy to a Model T is irrational. Whomever wrote this report, ‘You’re not a think-tank but rather just a bunch of academics sucking off society with silly studies.’

  • Michael

    And they’ll be an impact on new construction. If A-EVs are the norm in 2030, what are new, detached single family homes going to look like in 2031? I wonder if garages, as we know them now, will disappear from new construction.

  • Earl Gill

    Sounds like master planning by those who want to run your life. Give up your freedoms for their promise of utopia. No thanks but we do need to worry about the central planner who will force this on all of us by first outlawing self driving cars into the cities.

    • Sean G.

      Only problem with that is our cities are controlled by the left and the left loves control and this will be tired…

  • Sean G.

    And in other news, restaurants have made kitchens obsolete, cleaners have killed off the private ownership of washing machines… Yeah right… more global loony tunes stuff…

  • SteveStuning

    BULLSHlT! When they come for my car, they had better come for my guns as well, because nobody is getting either of them.

  • BBould

    It will take a cultural revolution for this to happen and that can’t happen in less than a generation.

  • J.d. Jackson

    Nope. This is the article and dream of some pimple-faced 20 something who lives in his parent’s basement, has never dated a girl, much less spoken with one, and believes that Star Trek is real. Americans will not be giving up their instruments of freedom.

  • Daniel Morgan

    So, i live 50 miles from an urban area? Someone is going to pick me up in an electric car? And an electric vehicle is going to pull our 5th wheel?

  • SurfCfl

    These morons probably live in a city where car ownership and storage is a
    hassle. It’s just another example of how lefties are incapable of imagining life outside
    of their bubble.

  • Evil Otto

    Yeah, this goes in the same circular file that all other such “predictions” go into.

  • 50gary

    Buy a coffee for $4.50 and get a ride. Ha, coffee will more likely be $20.00 only you won’t have 20 dollars any dollars for that matter. Cashless transactions are coming and will be the law (for your own protection of course), you’ll never see money, and that will mean you have no money. The word money will become obsolete, banned even just like so many words are today. There won’t be any taxes because the power will have all your “money” work credits. You will be controlled by your station (class) in life. True communism, the end of self.

  • CVN65

    Yeah. We’re going to buy cars for four more years then tail off precipitously over three additional years. Bunch of idiots that never get out of the urban jungles. I live in the sticks and we have two uber drivers. Two. For a huge geographic area. And they only really want to stick to a narrow area between a few towns. What about having to make multiple trips or go to the grocery store? What about dropping kids off to multiple schools/daycare? Will each segment be a trip, charged separately? This whole thing is ridiculous. People like the independence of their own cars and some people, like me, love automobiles and view driving as a pleasure. Lots of twisty back roads where I live- mucho fun.

  • HAHAHAHA!!
    I’ll be keeping my car and will be driving it.

  • threetoesknows

    Maybe they should have said for anyone living in a very large city. I could see this in New York, but not in Minot North Dakota…or Texas…

    • Mac-101

      Didn’t THEY make the tolls so high it is unaffordable to drive across the bridges into NYC daily?

  • TwinCitiesEast

    General Motors and Ford will buy up all this tech and we will never see it in our lifetime.

  • Burner57

    I have a 1957 Chevy and a 1931 Ford Model A.
    I will never stop driving them.

    • chris

      No computers and they look cool.

    • chris

      After the first EMP, people will be begging you for a ride.

  • chris

    I remember all the predictions in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s. Disneyworld Tomorrowland is a great example. People thought we would be in George Jetson type cars by now. This type of transportation may work for Urban areas but not in Suburban, semi rural and rural areas. I go 10+ miles to kids school, one way. Add in sports practice after school and a run to a store,the cars would run out of juice. No doubt that autonomous vehicles are coming, they have a long way to go. No way I would trust them on the winding roads and low water crossings in the Hill Country in Texas. You are going to have to pry away the pickup trucks, Suburbans and Escalades and other SUV’s.

  • dicksi

    Not believing it! I remember reading Popular Science magazines during the 1950’s that promised flying cars by the year 2000. Didn’t happen!

  • Richard_Wiggler

    if the lunatic left kooks have there way
    cars won’t be the only thing in a death spiral.

  • nicthstic

    I like the idea that the auto insurance industry will be under pressure to survive the transition in his future world scenario. Car insurance is a ripoff as many uninsured and underinsured drivers are subsidized by the majority. As far the replacement of existing vehicles, I hope to have my current 18 year old Volvo on the road in 2030 with 1 million miles on the odometer. As long as I can buy or maybe 3D print the parts, the cost should not be too different from the car-on-demand business model.

  • Willnot B. Silenced

    Nonsense
    Green nonsense… the worst kind.

  • Andrew Shoop

    Speed, Free Time, Convenience in favor of TaaS? How do they figure that? How can it be more convenient/faster/take less time to use a service that has to drive out to my home/apartment to pick me up than to just hop in my car that’s already there?

    I understand the maintenance is somewhat easier, but if you just stick to newer cars, maintenance takes <2 hrs / year. Plus 5-10m/week if you consider pumping gas as maintenance.

    Even if you only take an average of 3 trips per day, a 5 minute delay waiting for your ride to show up is 15 minutes/day. And at least 2 trips are guaranteed every business day (to work from home/from work to home), plus anywhere else you need to go. Groceries, gym, visiting friends, etc.

  • chris

    At first it will be pushed as a cost saving program, less traffic and convenience. When that doesn’t work, local governments like San Francisco will mandate it as a requirement to save the planet. In the end, it will be a forced transfer of wealth to the people running the autonomous cars. Will it save money, no. Will it save time, no. Will it save the planet, of course not. Will the autonomous car companies make billions, yes.

  • jakartaman

    This sounds nice but it is an other way our freedom is being taken away.
    Our car ownership will be taken away and you will not be allowed to have your own transportation – Next goes the guns
    Stay alert folks –

  • mitwit

    The timeline is probably off but the end result seems plausible in the cities. What of the resistance of the many stakeholders imbedded in today’s system? Taxi drivers will be the first complainers but not much of a resistance bloc. Petroleum companies, parking lots, auto shops, car sales and leasing will all resist. My question is when do we change the infrastructure designs and growth plans…when will the pols give the new way the go ahead and change their plans. Gas taxes? Many future changes.Where did I leave my buggy whip?

  • Jeff Smith

    And there will be a record of everywhere you go.

  • Bill

    Wishcasting at its finest. I dont see the number of new ICE cars dropping to zero by 2024 any time soon. There are products planned for 2021 already booked and in development now.

  • Jimmy Krakorn

    Well according to the great climate scientist Al Gore, we’re all supposed to be dead by now anyway. I live in a remote rural area. I do not have cell phone service or high speed internet as of this date. And you say I’m going to be able to get a ride to work? Do you ever get out of the city? Maybe you should.

  • Jeff Smith

    Maybe in the cities, but not within 13 years. What happens in a rural area where the fleet dispatcher is 20 miles away (rural Maryland) or 100 miles away (rural Texas)?

    • 7RS

      You are on the right track but think hundreds in Texas not just 100.

  • 7RS

    This report is is mostly globalist fantasy. A few state DOTs are spending money on trying to implement a strategy for autonomous infrastructure and it’s simply too complex and more importantly, there is no market for it. A few engineers and small departments in automakers are invested but probably realize these technologies will be only used to increase vehicle safety.

  • IhateLiberals

    Yet another pecker breath futurist spewing nonsense.

  • Lyle Petersen

    Anti-freedom zealots. Also known as the left.

  • Tommy T

    His only reasoning on the 2030 guess is some 10x rule? No mention of the actually technology in his theory.

  • Rjack

    If they said autos would be replaced by aero-cars then I might agree because there are a few now that can be bought. I think they are promoting this concept because it would be a gold mine for personal information gathering. Places one goes, shops, stores, friends visited, casual trips, everything, every tidbit of your life exposed for information farming.

  • Houston

    Imagine how crowded our streets would be if this was even possible. Instead of driving from your house to your destination and back, all these autonomous vehicles would have to drive to your house, to your destination and back, and then back to their own storage space. A lot more driving. Also, since no one really wants to wait around for an available car, we’d have to have almost as many of these autonomous cars as the cars we have today. Otherwise, you may not get to your doctor’s appointment on time, or get to the theater before the show started. And who will keep the cars clean? A lot of people will trash a car that doesn’t belong to them. This article can’t be taken seriously.

  • RedStateSteve

    Another stupid article written by someone who lives in NYC, LA, Chicago, Boston,etc. Who has no idea there are 10’s of millions of people who live in areas where a car/truck is a must, where no mass transit will ever exist

  • H2 🇺🇸

    Let the brainwashing begin. Solar is a joke, what exactly was he right about it? People are suckers , a friend has it, said his electric bill dropped to 35 a month , but now he has a 200 dollar a month lease for the panels on his roof, a freaking lease, and if you wanna sell your house, then what??

    Ohhh the lives it will save, bbbbbb sss fear mongering to nudge you out of your cars

  • DallasTexas

    It’s funny that the author cites prior solar power predictions to give the think tank credibility. A solar revolution that failed to happen. Always ten years away. Still less than 1% after decades of crazy growth predictions.

  • Mind the store

    Having got a planning degree, this is in the vein of what the urbanites envision – end home rule, remove local zoning (current HUD housing act moving poor, prescribed percentage monorities, into affluent areas if city receives HUD monies), precepts of Agenda 21 and so on.

  • AZ Cowboy

    Total BS. A stupid dream of liberal weenies who live in cities. They can’t even drive car with manual transmission and they write garbage like this and get paid.

  • Janet Williams

    His predictions about solar? Doesn’t mean much. It’s subsidized.
    Fifty times, per unit of energy, as much as fossil fuels. Some authorities say three hundred times, per unit of energy, as much as fossil fuel.
    THAT is the only reason anyone puts in solar.

    In Germany, they were gung ho on solar. After a few years of subsidizing it, they started building new coal-fired plants.

    PS – If we subsidized ping pong that much, we’d see a ping pong table in every single living room in America.

  • Roy Tyrell

    Meet the jetsons…

    Some “futurism” has a profound and clever understanding of both human nature and economics. This has neither.

    America is too cheap and corporate minded to spend money on what REALLY needs attention: infrastructure. (see: mass transit)

    So this is the new fanasy. Slum dwellers living in crumbling cities will have cheerful, for profit, CIA approved surveillance bots ferrying them about.

    Rome is burning

  • 5topAmnesty

    All good and fine – but then why the h3ll are we spending TRILLIONS on new trains, when everyone will soon have door-to-door service?

    Answer – Democrats, and their donors.

    • Roy Tyrell

      How do you get from “door to door” with freeways having potholes the size of moon crater..

      That “communist” public spending… lol

      • 5topAmnesty

        Funny, I don’t have a problem driving on roads where I live. Perhaps you live in a Democrat-run area, or maybe you just don’t try to avoid road hazards?

        • Roy Tyrell

          Like Houston…. but don’t worry – we make sure to pass that cost onto you

          • 5topAmnesty

            Yea, the Dems have run that city for DECADES. Sorry to hear of your situation.

  • hiram floss

    yep, jammed into “green housing towers” with a “sustainable” 100sq ft living space, no car, insects for food, 24/7 tracking of your movements. where do I sign?….

    • Roy Tyrell

      No S–t. Americans are sheep

    • David Michael

      Yip — its UN Agenda 2030

  • Mike_in_AL

    All you Luddites who refuse to jump on the wagon don’t need to worry about yukky, unsanitary things being done in the public utility electric vehicle by the last user. I’ve just invented the “cardom”. When you step through the door you are enveloped in a sheath of non-porous, sterile biodegradable non-plastic plastic (with an individual, personal breathing tube to the clean, electrified outside air). What happens in the “cardom” stays in the “cardom”. When you leave the car, the “cardom” goes with you, so no one ever sees any evidence of previous users!

    • Roy Tyrell

      The rest of the world has embraced mass transit… for CENTURIES.

      The self driving car is America being both too cheap and broke to fix fundamental problems.

      • BinRaleigh

        Centuries? Over 200 years? think about that for a moment.

        Mass transit works in urban areas. It become ineffective in suburban and rural areas. This is true not just in the US but in Europe as well.

        • Roy Tyrell

          Continental Europe, China, Japan, Russia… about every advanced functioning large landmass economy in the world has mass transit not just in cities but between every small town and village.

          But hey, Mexico, Central America, Africa… no mass transit. So… we’re in good company

          • BinRaleigh

            So your assertion is there is no mass transit in the US? You must never have been to NYC, Washington DC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Atlanta, Orlando, San Francisco, Seattle, Denver. And I do believe you can get between any two cities via airplane.

            But if you want to go to Milford NH, Northfield Vt. Wanatchee Wa, Waxahachee Tx or Hickory NC and put in mass transit systems that no one will use because they would have to drive to get to the transit station to pay a parking fee and a rail fee, then a cab at the other end… Feel free.

            Mass transit works for urban areas not suburban/rural.

      • Mike_in_AL

        Read some history. Public transportation was very much in use in the larger cities in the U.S. in the previous two centuries. Did you know that in the early part of the 20th century you could go from the beaches near L.A. all the way to Riverside (over 60 miles) on public transit (trolleys, streetcars and interurbans)? By the middle of the last century nearly all of the larger systems were bankrupt, demolished or had fallen into disuse. The problem is that for public transportation to really work you have to take away the alternatives, which is not really a problem for folks who don’t like freedom anyway.

  • Ed Donnelly

    The one word not used anywhere in this article is “freedom.” This is the single greatest attribute of owning a vehicle. Freedom is worth what I currently pay. Most car owners feel the same way, which is liberals continuously seek greater power over our lives.

    I can envision ultra-dense population centers mandating these autonomous vehicles. Imagine all the big-government regulations that will follow:

    -Mandates on operating hours.
    -Preference will be given to “VIPs” and those willing to pay extra. Thanks to liberals, the middle class is vanishing in this country. Soon it will be the rich and the poor. The rich will always have advantages. One would be a fool to believe this new system will be fair and equitable.
    -To cut down on demand, riders will have to provide a justification for needing the ride. You might be able to catch a ride to a friend’s house or to a movie, but you’ll have to wait for people riding for “more important” reasons.

    Big government liberals already pass laws and write regulations to make car ownership expensive. The predictions of this article will become realized only if liberals make car ownership cost prohibitive…in other words, only by taking away our freedom.

  • latinos_for_trump

    This news are sooooooooo FAKE.. IN 10 YEARS I WILL BE DRIVING MY NEW BENZ

  • BinRaleigh

    For city dwellers this is already true, they use taxis and public transportation. For the rest of the country this analysis does not hold water. This does not deal with the realities of suburban and rural life.

    Simply put if you need to run to the grocery store it will become a planned event that takes many times longer than it needs to.

    Will the US, actually pick any country, move toward electric cars, yes for relatively short trips. Will they completely give up their cars? Some will, maybe even the majority, but a significant percentage simply cannot.

  • theAdorableDeplorable

    He’s right.

    I’ll be driving a truck.

    For your average city dweller/suburban commuter that all works fine. Until it doesn’t. What if I want to stop at Wal-Mart, then run to the movies, then hit a fast food joint or restaurant afterwards. There’s just going to be a vehicle magically waiting for me? More likely I’ll be standing in a queue on a street corner waiting for some grafittied, urine smelling bucket of autonomous bolts to ramble to the Car Stop, pick me up, break down 1/4 mile later leaving me locked in side, looking for a can opener.

    But, again, I’ll still be living in a rural area, driving my truck. The author of this article and all his mal-aligned millenial friends can keep their autonomous drone-mobiles.

    I’ll pass.

    • David Michael

      Under this Agenda 2030 plan people in the country will be moved to human settlements as part of the “rural cleansing”. You cannot access all the government/corporate services in the country — and they cannot watch you out there

  • robertv

    Tabloid B.S.

  • gabbro

    They need to RethinkX their whole projection. It may work if you live in a city, like NYC, and never need a car now because of buses, taxis, and the subway, but for people like me, who live in the middle of nowhere, a personal vehicle is a necessity. Plus, what will happen to just going for a ride? What if you need to take a quick run for a gallon of milk or some other last minute item? Spontaneous travel would be severely curtailed, and life would not be worth living.

    Besides, I ride a motorcycle and there’s no way their little electro whatevers are going to replace that.

  • DaveInKS

    All these people talking about “freedom” in their ICE vehicles are wrong.

    The government controls these in multiple ways. The fuel supply can be cut off (think WWII rationing), the registration can be revoked, the taxation can be made murderous on ICE vehicles etc. Economics will trump perceived “freedom” every time (think smartphones).

    If you think you are free because of your ICE vehicle you are, IMHO, sadly mistaken.

  • NowACurmudgeon

    I believe Popular Science magazine predicted this type of stuff in the 60’s. Still waiting.

  • David Michael

    This is straight out of UN Agenda 2030 “sustainable” development (Smart Cities) which is to control every aspect of our lives–globally–incl how we think. Under this plan, car ownership (and property) will be regulated out of existence. You will be transported to a low-paying factory job or indoctrination center (skrewl)in an old government owned bus. You will be living in a human settlement–public housing. Oh, it will not be free–it will be paid for by corporate sponsorship (from higher prices on products) and taxes on individuals. This is a communist plan folks. Better go to your city councils and ban all these projects. How stupid can people get?

    • David Michael

      Pretty damned stupid

    • BinRaleigh

      Sorry no factory jobs allowed in the US, those must be “globalized” to ensure US workers remain dependent upon the state

  • travlr009

    Nonsense

    Bunch of Progs sitting around indulging in self pleasuring fantasies

  • JHX

    Remember phone booths? Remember how you didn’t want to touch the sides of one because they were gross? I wonder what a crowd share EV will be like?

    • theAdorableDeplorable

      The smell alone will be vomit inducing.

  • disqus_at95K9bcZs

    What??? No cars???? Written be a mushy headed liberal who has never ventured outside the big city into the dangerous countryside. Sheesh!! Sure not my vision of the future America.

  • JHX

    Once all the cars are gone, it is a simple matter to force everyone into automated mass transit.

    Who wants to be trapped on a bus these days?

  • Paul Allen

    Let’s see; in 2030 I’ll be 103 yrs old and may have trouble getting out of my Z4. But I won’t give it up without a fight.

  • Caligula

    I’ve been in the automotive business for almost 30 years and one thing is for sure. The prognosticators will be proven wrong – because they’ve always been wrong. I can remember the ridiculous assumptions that were made about 25 years ago, and none included GM going bankrupt in the 2000’s. However, they did assume that most cars would be made out of plastic (SMC) or aluminum. While some vehicles do have plastic elements and Ford’s new truck line is an aluminum alloy, most passenger vehicles are still made mostly out of steel. These folks are making assumptions based on a static model, but that model will change ever year because some technologies haven’t even been created yet, and unknown world events affect these assumptions.

    • JHX

      My corvette is made from SMC.. But, I agree they have been wrong more than not.

      However, Generation M is so divorced from anything we have seen before, they might actually make this scheme viable.

  • naro wampanoag

    By 2030 we would rarely leave our house. Work will be virtual from home. Travel will be virtual-and the world will become so homogenized that one place will look and feel pretty much like another. Shopping will be on line. There will be little reason to leave home except for a stroll.

  • llewellynh

    Sure have a whole lot of roads, tunnels and bridges to fix before this can even be thought of. Driving where I live has become a game of dodging potholes!

  • Russell Hicks

    Jokes are supposed to be funny. This is beyond moronic.

  • Lib Serum

    Those dependent on centrally controlled transportation are much easier to control. The people who put together these stats and predictions don’t see themselves in the picture. Who will wait 5 minutes for a ‘transport unit’ for a 2 minute drive to the store?
    This idea will have to be bred into the new sheeple.

  • Gina Armstrong

    Notice everything is geared toward CIDIOTS and KENNEL DWELLERS/

  • Deplorable White Bread

    I call BS on this…maybe by 2130, but definitely not 2030.

  • Jim Schulz

    LOL!! And in 2015 the Earth will burn up due to global warming. These leftist nutjobs should be in the business of stand up comedy instead of trying to predict the future with their cracked crystal balls.

  • mg

    Just make sure the fleets are owned by enough people that they are competitive and there is no price fixing, like our airlines and the NYC taxis.

  • Dave R

    Futurists have a long history… of being almost always wrong.

  • Joe_E_in_the_IE

    I love the innocent naive optimism of these articles from the 1940s and 1950s.

    Oh, really? You’re joking, right?

  • pearl87 ✓ᴰᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    This is the wet dream of the lefty globalists, whose desire to enslave others is an obsession. Preventing the free movement of the masses is essential to their scheme.

    • CopyKatnj

      Exactly!

  • Guest

    This is utter bullshit. I bought a car the day I got my drivers license.

  • SoCal

    What a joke news rags are.
    He predicted the rise in solar and the decrease in fossil fuels?
    How did that work out?
    Pure BS.
    Sure hope no one wasted money paying for this factual silliness.

  • TrumpConfidimus

    I remember when they told us we would be flying around in vehicles seen on The Jetsons.

  • 1rockhall2

    I live in a rural area to go anywhere you need a car. I guess they want us to get a buckboard and a pair of horses. Stupid!

  • biffula

    Maybe some day down the line, but not in 13 years.

  • HenryC

    Yeah, right, the car has been dying for 50 years as it is to be replaced by public transport. Only thing is the number on the road keeps climbing, year after year.

  • Roy Tyrell

    Before I tagged as some leftie – I own a full size pickup (2015 Titan Pro 4x with every obnoxious goodie, bought new from a dealer desperate to get off lot).

    I wil own and drive my gas guzzling (relatively) low tech behemoth till the day I die.

    To those of you in squirrel boxes driven by computers. I look forward to my game of PACMAN

    • naro wampanoag

      Enjoy giving your money to an Arrrab

      • Roy Tyrell

        The reserves in west texas shale will last 100 years.

        We will create the worlds largest sinkhole pumping it all out – but it is there

        • naro wampanoag