Death spiral for cars. By 2030, you probably won’t own one

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By 2030, you probably won’t own a car, but you may get a free trip with your morning coffee. Transport-As-A-Service will use only electric vehicles and will upend two trillion-dollar industries. It’s the death spiral for cars.

A major new report predicts that by 2030, the overwhelming majority of consumers will no longer own a car – instead they will use on-demand electric autonomous vehicles.

By 2030, within 10 years of regulatory approval of autonomous electric vehicles (A-EVs), the report says, 95 per cent of all US passenger miles traveled will be served by on-demand, autonomous, electric vehicles that will be owned by fleets rather than individuals.

The provision of this service may come virtually free as part of another offering, or a corporate sponsorship. Imagine, for instance, paying a token sum for a ride into town after buying a latte for $4.50. Or getting a free ride because the local government has decided to make transport easier.

TAAS choice

The report, by RethinkX, an independent think tank that focuses on technology-driven disruption and its implications across society, says this stunning and radical will be driven entirely by economics, and will overcome the current desire for individual car ownership, starting first in the big cities and then spreading to the suburbs and regional areas.

This disruption will have enormous implications across the transportation and oil industries, decimating entire portions of their value chains, causing oil demand and prices to plummet, and destroying trillions of dollars in investor value, not to mention the value of used cars.

At the same time it will create trillions of dollars in new business opportunities, consumer surplus and GDP growth.

Lead consultant and co-author Tony Seba, who specialises in disruptive technologies. His early forecasts for the enormous uptake of solar where considered crazy, but were proved right, and he has since said that new technologies will make coal, oil and gas all but redundant by 2030).

He says while the report focuses on the US, the forecasts are valid for Australia too, because the transportation industry is global. And he warns that the car you buy now may well be your last.

“This is a global technology disruption. So yes, this applies to Australia,” Seba tells RenewEconomy. “And this is going to happen despite governments, not because of governments.

“Furthermore, the disruption will start in cities with high population density and high real estate prices – think Sydney and Melbourne then Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide – and quickly radiate out to the suburbs, the smaller cities, and then rural areas.”

Indeed, there are some people who are starting to anticipate this change, considering Australian-based business models and even local manufacturing, such as those revealed on Monday by Michael Molitor, the head of a new company called A2EmCo.

Seba does not say that individual car ownership will completely disappear. By 2030, 40 per cent of cars will still be privately owned, but they will only account for 5 per cent of kilometres traveled.

Autonomous cars will be used 10 times more than internal combustion vehicles were, they will last longer – maybe one million miles (1.6 million km) – and the savings will inject an additional $1US trillion into the pockets of Americans by 2030.

Seba admits that his forecasts are hard to digest. But what he sees in the transition to autonomous EVs from privately owned petrol cars is the same he has seen for all other major transitions: what he calls the 10x opportunity cost.

It happened with the printing press, it happened with the first Model T – it cost the same as a carriage and two horses, but offered 10x the horsepower.

“Every time we have had a ten x change in technology, we had a disruption. This is going to be no different.”

And that change, he says, will happen on day one of level 5 autonomous EVs obtaining regulatory approval. “Basically, the day that autonomous vehicles are regulatory accepted, transport-as-a-service will be 10 cheaper than cost of new vehicles,” he says. And four times cheaper than the cost of already owned vehicles.

Why is this? Because everything will be cheaper.

Like his predictions on the rise of solar, and the sudden decline of fossil fuels, Seba’s calculations are driven by simple economics. Within few years, the upfront costs of AEVs will match those of petrol cars. But the depreciation costs will be minimal, because the cars, owned by fleets, will “last a lifetime”.

Maintenance costs will be significantly lower – thanks to 20 moving parts in the powertrain compared to 2,000 for petrol cars – and the miles travelled significantly higher; they will be doing 1.6 million km by 2030, more than five times more than petrol cars.

TAAS economics

Moreover, battery technology will improve, needing to be replaced only once, and old batteries will be able to used elsewhere (in the power grid). The cost of maintenance will be one-fifth the cost of current cars, the cost of finance one tenth, and the cost of insurance also one tenth.

“The survival of car manufacturers will depend on building cars with long lifetimes and low operating costs. This means that they will optimise for minimum waste of resources in building and operating vehicles, including designing vehicle platforms with parts that are interchangeable and recyclable.”

The report outlines the huge benefits from this transformation. Unclogging city roads, removing the pollution that is choking major cities, savings millions of lives from accidents and trillions of dollars in health impacts, and freeing up parking space.

We often forget about the health impacts of fuel cars. In 2015 in the OECD alone, outdoor air pollution lead to $US1.7 trillion annual economic cost from premature deaths. According to the World Health Organisation, 1.25 million people died from road traffic accidents around the world in that year, and another 50 million were severely injured.

“Autonomous vehicles will be safer than human drivers, leading to a decrease in road traffic accidents,” the report says. Although, to be sure, any such accidents caused by faulty software rather than humans will create huge controversy

The nature of the vehicles may also change – with a range of two-person, four-person, eight-person and even bigger vehicles in heavy population areas.

It will also have an impact on geopolitics – with the world no longer dependent on oil reserves for the bulk of its transportation needs. This will benefit big transport fuel importers like Australia.

The “politics of lithium,” meanwhile, are completely different to the politics of oil. Lithium is plentiful, although it needs planning to ensure that the mines are in place to extract it, and its demand can be reduced by recycling. Alternatives can be found for cobalt, currently found mostly in countries such as Democratic republic of Congo.

TAAS salesSeba recognises that most people assume that the biggest impediments to this scenario are behavioral issues such as love of driving, fear of new technology, or just habit. The cost savings, the speed, the increased safety and the extra free time will be key factors.

But he says that what he calls “pre-TaaS” companies such as Uber, Lyft and Didi have also invested billions of dollars developing technologies and services to overcome these issues. In 2016, these companies drove 500,000 passengers per day in New York City alone.

“That was triple the number of passengers driven the previous year. The combination of TaaS’s dramatically lower costs compared with car ownership and exposure to successful peer experience will drive more widespread usage of the service.

“Adopting TaaS requires no investment or lock-in. Consumers can try it with ease and increase usage as their comfort level increases. Even in suburban and rural areas, where wait times and cost might be slightly higher, adoption is likely to be more extensive than generally forecast because of the greater impact of cost savings on lower incomes.

“As with any technology disruption, adoption will grow along an exponential S-curve.”

Comments

2,193 responses to “Death spiral for cars. By 2030, you probably won’t own one”

  1. Chris Drongers Avatar
    Chris Drongers

    I am buying shares in electric power companies (initially in power station installers, later in power-sharing-sales)!
    I’ll start believing in this when (robotically connecting) charging points appear outside my 7-11 and in numbers in my shopping centre carparks.

    1. Greg Hudson Avatar
      Greg Hudson

      Tesla has already created a robo charger. Watch the video. Amazing !
      http://www.motoring.com.au/tesla-creates-robo-snake-charger-53048

    2. Mike Dill Avatar
      Mike Dill

      Power companies are going to be fighting the lower cost of solar and storage. Not a big winning play there.

    3. Peter Campbell Avatar
      Peter Campbell

      I have been charging one electric car at home for 8 years and two for over 3 years with just an ordinary power point in the carport. It is really no big deal. I rarely find public charging points to be useful or necessary for urban travel. What would be useful is fast chargers along highways and at the urban fringes to extend the range lower range EVs.

  2. Adam Smith Avatar
    Adam Smith

    Totally agree that the combustion engine is almost redundant, but will really look forward to getting my boat towed to the ramp for the cost of a latte! The grey nomads will also no doubt look forward to not owning a car. Some of this must have been thought up whilst sipping a latte and munching on a smashed advocado whatever. Sure it will be cheap, but cars have always been a personal thing and I would suggest the rich will still be buying the latest EV Porsche, Mercedes or BMW and the kids will be hotting up a 10 year old petrol WRX, with aftermarket 4 wheel electric drive and a tesla pack. The socialist utopia ideal never worked anywhere and the auto industry has always been anything but a communal pursuit.

    1. MikeH Avatar
      MikeH

      Millennials & Gen-Xers are already reducing their car usage in the USA and there is no socialism in sight. Uber & Lyfft are models of aggressive capitalism being developed to provide a more convenient service cheaper than the alternative and they are having a big impact with the transport habits of the young.

      http://time.com/money/4185441/millennials-drivers-licenses-gen-x/

      Today’s cities where the bulk of people live are quite different to when the baby boomers established the car culture – cars now just as likely to mean traffic jams. The city centres are starting to ban cars or limit access. Driving holidays are being replaced by cheap air travel.

      Whatever happens, autonomous vehicles are going to be very disruptive.

      1. Durham 52 Avatar
        Durham 52

        Baby boomers hardly “established the car culture”, as a baby boomer I was born in 1952 and wasn’t old enough to drive until 1968, the “car culture” was well and truly established by then believe me.

        1. MikeH Avatar
          MikeH

          I am sure it was since 1952 was not the start of the baby boomer generation.

          “Baby boomers are the demographic group born during the post–World War II baby boom, approximately between the years 1946 and 1964.”

          While the USA had roads and suburbs prior to the war, the US Interstate Highway system which drove the popularity of the driving holiday was built post 1956. The postwar expansion of the city into suburbs beyond the reach of existing public transport networks drove the increased use of cars in the city.

          1. Durham 52 Avatar
            Durham 52

            Yes, I’m aware that the baby boomer period started in 1946, even so the first baby boomers to reach legal driving age would have begun driving in the mid 60’s at the earliest. In fact the years designated as the baby boomer years means that boomers began driving between 1967 (assuming a driving age of 17 years) and 1981. My only point was that the culture of the car was firmly established well before the majority of baby boomers were legally behind the wheel.

          2. UncleFedele Avatar
            UncleFedele

            The “car culture” stretches back to at least the 1920s and, were I interested in researching a precise date, I could probably make the case that it was pre-1920.

            The other problem with your assertion that boomers established the car culture is that it existed pre-WWII in France, Germany, Italy, and the UK and probably other European countries. Appreciation of the freedom conveyed by individually owned automobiles and motorcycles is appreciated across all cultures advanced and prosperous enough to own them.

            The interstate highway system, which was built to facilitate moving military assets efficiently across country, did make driving holidays to more distant destinations easier, but driving holidays to closer locations were already popular as were day trips for family get aways, picnics, etc.

            The reality of automotive adoption in this and other countries is rather different that you portray.

      2. MaxG Avatar
        MaxG

        Forget this article: they asked 618 people; really?! Is this considered representative for a country where over 250m cars and light trucks are on the road, with an increase of 5m between 2014 and 2015. Someone must drive these 5m vehicles 🙂

      3. Grand2833 Avatar
        Grand2833

        There is no cheap or pleasant air travel. Their is no reduction in car usage. Anyone who can afford a car is driving a car. In our multi-racial society a car provides a physical barrier that offers protection from violent and criminal elements of our society. In an emergency situation such as wildfires, hurricanes, flooding it is gas-powered vehicles that allow the evacuation of cities and threatened areas. It is power lines and cell towers that are the first to fall in a hurricane or a badly flooded area. How do you propose to charge the batteries in thousands of vehicles fleeing a natural catastrophe? I live in New Orleans, Louisiana. The entire city was evacuated before Hurricane Katrina. People left on the trains, the buses, but most left the city in their own vehicles. Tens of thousands of people all trying to get out of the city. It took hours just to reach the city limits. Electric vehicles would have lost half their charge just getting out of the city of New Orleans. No one will risk their lives, certainly not the lives of their children, to have an electric vehicle. It’s not worth it, when it all comes down everybody is responsible for their own safety. You cannot depend on government to take care of you and your family. No one will give up their gas-powered vehicles.

        1. brother_eu Avatar
          brother_eu

          Snowflakes don’t understand that. Like moths flying right into a zapper.

        2. Calamity_Jean Avatar
          Calamity_Jean

          “Electric vehicles would have lost half their charge just getting out of the city of New Orleans.”

          No they wouldn’t. An electric vehicle standing still with its heater or air conditioner off uses a negligible amount of power. It’s not like an oil-burning car that uses fuel while idling in traffic.

          Please remember that in the 2018 model year there will be at least three battery-powered cars that will have ranges on a full charge of about 200 miles. If they left New Orleans fully charged, wouldn’t they be safe when they ran out of charge 200 miles away?

      4. Chad Burke Avatar
        Chad Burke

        Ever heard of a taxi? Uber and Lyft aren’t exactly radically new concepts. More of a step sideways.

    2. Chris Drongers Avatar
      Chris Drongers

      Some petrol cars will remain, like horses. A statement of high income.
      But if autonomous cars become common it won’t be long until manually driven cars are banned from major transport routes, school zones, entertainment areas.

      1. Grand2833 Avatar
        Grand2833

        Keep dreaming….

    3. Chris Ford Avatar
      Chris Ford

      The article does say that by 2030, “40 per cent of cars will still be privately owned, but they will only account for 5 per cent of kilometres traveled.” So those who want/need their own vehicle for specialised purpose are still catered for in the prediction.

      1. Durham 52 Avatar
        Durham 52

        Yes, just living in a rural area means needing a vehicle. I can’t see rural towns and remote properties being serviced by autonomous vehicles, most places beyond the urban fringe can barely get a bus or train! The usual “not enough people to make the service economic” argument will no doubt apply. Still if they reduce congestion in the cities, it will be nice for us country folk when we have to drive our cars to the city.

        Bring on the electric 4×4 with a 500+ klm range.

        1. Chris Ford Avatar
          Chris Ford

          … and a solar roof so it’ll charge itself. 🙂

          1. Grand2833 Avatar
            Grand2833

            What a ridiculous notion! Do you have solar cells on your roof? No, you do not or you would realize they provide very little electricity. These vehicles would have their down time during the night. No current is generated from solar cells during the night. Windmills? Not if the wind isn’t blowing, no current there. Oh, golly gee, we would have to have coal burninig electrical generation, perhaps natural gas to generate all that electricity needed for millions of electric vehicles. Better start building those power plants because you will need to triple the amount of electricity generated today in order to charge up all those electric cars. Darn, those details are always so pesky and expensive. That reminds me, who gets to pay the bill for this socialist pipe dream? Who’s going to pay the extra taxes for all this nonsense?

          2. Calamity_Jean Avatar
            Calamity_Jean

            Dream on, guy. The wave of the future is renewable and electric.

        2. Miles Harding Avatar
          Miles Harding

          Tesla Model X 100D?
          Sorry about the affordability, though.

          1. ben Avatar
            ben

            yes they are and will be expensive, but the thing is we won’t need to buy one, we will pay on a per usage basis. So the actual cost of the vehicle is secondary. How much does a plane cost? No-one owns their own, they buy a ticket

        3. BushAxe Avatar
          BushAxe

          There’s a good argument that autonomous EV’s will be able to provide cheap public transport to alot of people that are unable to drive including rural areas currently deemed unviable.

      2. Grand2833 Avatar
        Grand2833

        The “prediction” is nonsense. The left has a tendency to believe if they repeat their nonsense enough times people will begin to believe it and accept it as fact. Fortunately, the majority of the people do not fall for this tactic. Common sense prevails and people simply dismiss stories like this as more of the liberal nonsense put out by the media.

        1. Calamity_Jean Avatar
          Calamity_Jean

          Wait five years, you’ll be surprised. Wait ten years and you’ll hardly find an oil-burning car.

      3. Calamity_Jean Avatar
        Calamity_Jean

        I imagine that families with children small enough to need safety seats will have their own cars, just because installing, removing, and lugging around the seats would be such a hassle. When the youngest child got big enough to use a standard adult seat belt, the parents might give up having their own car with a sigh of relief.

        1. Chris Ford Avatar
          Chris Ford

          Yep, agree. Plus, shifting 350kg of baby/kid stuff from autonomous taxi to autonomous taxi would get annoying pretty quickly. 🙂

    4. JoeR_AUS Avatar
      JoeR_AUS

      Agree,I not sure it will be redundant, after towing a boat for 120km and driving 1700km in a week last year!

      I still think hybrid is the way to go as people talk about “30km a day” but there are too many days were the rule is broken. So we will have ICE and BEV together, I know some people say BEV only but they should ride a bicycle ie they are single person back and to work only.

      Also the above report does not cover the social impact on jobs, if all couriers, uber, taxis, hire cars are replaced what will all these people do for a job?

      Eventually, the dialogue of manufacturing in the country vs importation must come up as how much pollution is generated in the Global economy by shipping/ flying all over the world – much more than ICE for personal use!

      1. nakedChimp Avatar
        nakedChimp

        Fine, BEVs don’t cover your usage pattern yet.
        Mine isn’t covered yet either.
        But I don’t post that PHEV will be the way to go. It’s too complicated and expensive and will be obvious in 5 years.

        As for the socio-economic impact of people being set free from jobs that will be done by robots/AI while still needing an income for a dignified life – well – UBI comes to mind. Financing it will be the greatest social battle the world has ever seen.

        1. JoeR_AUS Avatar
          JoeR_AUS

          PHEV and BEv will be the only option from EU as 95gm C02 per Km is mandated as fleet average for 2020.

          Yes it will be more expensive.

          Dignified life – sounds like depression to me!

  3. trackdaze Avatar
    trackdaze

    I’m not sure how this will solve congestion issues given that there will be some inefficiencies with a uberlift having to travel between gigs. Parking may be easier.

    1. Rod Avatar
      Rod

      You would hope there would be some sort of car pooling, ride sharing ability.
      Good point re the parking. Should free up some road space.

      1. ben Avatar
        ben

        I believe that some 20% of the area of the Adelaide CBD (where I live) is taken up by car-parks, either flat bed or high rise. If these are no longer required for cars, or have a massive reduction in usage, then they could be repurposed for cycle parks.

        1. Rod Avatar
          Rod

          Yay, e-bikes allowed I hope.
          Adelaide City Council would go broke!

          1. ben Avatar
            ben

            Well exactly. So that means there is a vested interest in ensuring there is large scale commuting via owner-vehicles.

          2. Rod Avatar
            Rod

            Yes, unfortunately.
            I think the ACC, along with the State Libs, had a hand in squashing the ALP proposal of a dollar a day car parking tax in the CBD

          3. ben Avatar
            ben

            That wouldn’t surprise me. The ACC own “U Park”, and I am sure make a tidy sum from it. At the same time they are the development approval regulatory authority for new car parks. Conflict of interest?

      2. trackdaze Avatar
        trackdaze

        There is the potential it leads to more cars. With one required for your service near your home near your work..etc etc …..

        1. Mike Shackleton Avatar
          Mike Shackleton

          With this statement you are demonstrating a lack of understanding about how the system would work.

          1. trackdaze Avatar
            trackdaze

            To wonder is to begin to understand Mike.

            did say potential afterall. Say for instance people abandon mass public transit in favour of a more personal service in the morning…at peak start times…..

          2. Grand2833 Avatar
            Grand2833

            No, actually he is making a good point. The system you envision is simply not feasible without a massive government infrastructure, at enormous costs, in total control of all traffic. Unworkable and unaffordable.

    2. Mike Shackleton Avatar
      Mike Shackleton

      You won’t be the only one using the car yeah? And you’ll book in your trip details – origin, destination, when you want to arrive in advance. With perfect implementation the car that arrives at the kerb to pick you up will have only completed a trip moments before, and will go onto another trip once it drops you off. In order to bring your trip cost down you will also have the option of sharing the car with someone else, which the booking system will manage so as to minimise disruption to your trip.

      Live traffic planning using apps such as Google Maps has already made traffic flow more efficient in cities.

      1. JoeR_AUS Avatar
        JoeR_AUS

        Try this for 100,000 people going to the ANZ stadium during peak hour on a wet night – and then 3 hours later to pick them all up again.

        Sure it can be done but the current generation will google a car 5 mins before they need it on there smart phone. So some central body will need to plan the cars and have them ready for the load, so it sounds like a public system and all the good things that brings!

        1. Mike Shackleton Avatar
          Mike Shackleton

          That’s a stupid example I think you’re being deliberately obtuse – that stadium is well serviced by trains why would you order up a car when you can get reasonably close to your destination using the train and then catch a share car from the station if need be?

          1. JoeR_AUS Avatar
            JoeR_AUS

            I only used a real example:

            As obviously you have never sat in the traffic jam that starts from Homebush and queues past Macquarie Park on Lane Cove RD and also backs up on Blaxland Rd to Eastwood.

    3. Miles Harding Avatar
      Miles Harding

      Another way to free up road space is to close up following distances, which could be much shorter for ‘platoons’ of 8 or 10 vehicles. Another advantage is that wind drag (for most) is greatly reduced.

      There is a lot or research being conducted at present to establish the rules and behaviour so platoons interact safely and sensibly with other road users.

      One limitation is that it is a once-off improvement and will not solve congestion if traffic density increases greatly (could double?) becuase of this empty travel between gigs. Multi-passenger travel would help, perhaps Ubers should be mini-buses and not passenger cars.

      An Uber behaving badly could also use the roads as a parking lot by causing a gridlock.

  4. john Avatar
    john

    I have a relation who has never owned a vehicle.
    He does own a push bike, if that can be determined as a vehicle.
    I expect if he ever purchases a vehicle it will be an EV.
    However the article does relate to his situation to some extent although his use of public transport is his primary travel choice.
    I would venture to say his savings from never having purchased the worst consumer item ever produced is handsomely reflected in his financial situation.

    1. Rod Avatar
      Rod

      For most of my working life I commuted by bike allowing us to have only one car (for the wife to get to work)
      No doubt about it, cars are money pits. People obsess over fuel prices but are oblivious to the standing costs.

    2. JoeR_AUS Avatar
      JoeR_AUS

      Yes transportation cost money but so does living, you do what you can afford

  5. Ian Avatar
    Ian

    Electric Vehicle does not equal autonomous vehicle. Two different concepts, but these technologies will obviously coincide in the same vehicle. I for one would be happy to have an EV without autonomy parked in my suburban drive but would equally be happy ( but scared sh-tless no doubt) to use an autonomous ICE vehicle in the city.

    1. trackdaze Avatar
      trackdaze

      If your like me Ian then you would welcome every other driver on the road have autonomous driving?

      1. Ian Avatar
        Ian

        I would much prefer if other road users chose times to travel different to my own!

      2. yarpos . Avatar
        yarpos .

        A friend of mine is eagerly awaiting autonmous vehicles. He wants to brake check them and watch the hipsters spill their turmeric lattes. He is evil though.

        1. trackdaze Avatar
          trackdaze

          I can imagine any artifical intelligence driving assistence may see just how bad driving standards are pull over to side off the road and have a big artificial cry…”its all too hard” will flash up on the screen.

          Ps:Just let him know that emergency braking tech is currently only 70% effective in avoiding a crash.

          So he has about 1 in 3 chance of smelling like tumeric. Not good.

    2. Jan Veselý Avatar
      Jan Veselý

      It§s the economy. When you an auto drives really a lot of km, the purchase costs are becoming secondary, the operation cost starts to rule. EVs are much cheaper to operate.

      1. JoeR_AUS Avatar
        JoeR_AUS

        Hmm I don’t know anybody (unless retired and cash upped) who buy a vehicle from cash.

        So the lease/loan is the most expensive part not the ruining costs and once they get to a certain age you upgrade as its cheaper to buy new then run a old car (unless low miles). The argument that you will not need to upgrade…. who wants a 10year BEV when you can have a better new one!

        A BEV needs to be cheaper than ICE from the start then it will come down to your personal usage, distance, etc

        1. Jan Veselý Avatar
          Jan Veselý

          I think you didn’t get it. The trick is in transport-as-a-service model. In that case, car will be owned by some service providing company, customers will pay for the ride. What is certain, that with this business model, cars will be 10-15x more utilized (200k km per year, not per lifetime). So, the cost of purchase will not be so important, service provider will gladly purchase twice as expensive product while it has 4x lower fuel costs and cheap maintanence.
          Why we are so sure? Just look at air traffic, railways, shipping or trucks, service vehicles.

          1. JoeR_AUS Avatar
            JoeR_AUS

            Not true

            If the general public cold afford planes, helicopters, ships, trucks etc we would all have are own as the Wealthy already do!

  6. Steven Zilm Avatar
    Steven Zilm

    Someone had better tell the guys that just paid $500k for a 1970 GT Falcon and the $1M for the Channel 7 A9X Torana they made big mistakes! Giles, I don’t think I’ll start selling my classic car collection just yet!…. But the Electric Hatchback Torana project is underway….

    1. JoeR_AUS Avatar
      JoeR_AUS

      post pictures soon!

      Wait till Holden shut down in October this year, then we will see how much more they are worth as Australia will never produce a car again!

  7. Ian Avatar
    Ian

    Time for someone to design in a quick-fit child seat system too. That is the single most inhibiting item for young families using taxis or other TaaS facility other than a bus.

    1. Jan Veselý Avatar
      Jan Veselý

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isofix
      I have that in my car, works fine.

  8. Michael Dufty Avatar
    Michael Dufty

    I think if you look at the cars people currently buy, you can see that assuming people will go for something because it is the cheapest option is a long way from actual human behaviour.

    1. whatsup Avatar
      whatsup

      The article address that point well. It’s not that people will always go for the cheapest option. It’s that there’s a well established tipping point where if the cost drops significantly while offering greater benefits, many or even most people will go for the lower cost option

      1. HAGGIS1969 Avatar
        HAGGIS1969

        BS

        1. whatsup Avatar
          whatsup

          lol. Telling it like it is 🙂

          Care to share examples of mass-market products where the majority of people spend more than 10 times as much on products or services that offer less benefits?

      2. Mina Avatar
        Mina

        Not if it comes to giving up freedom of movement that is reliable and practical. Not a stupid idiot’s wet dream of a metrosexual’s unicorn.

  9. Douglas Hynd Avatar
    Douglas Hynd

    Where substantial investment is involved change is more gradual – decisions are not just economic they are driven by social, psychological factors and facilitating governance structures.

  10. ben Avatar
    ben

    I think cycling and walking will experience massive upside due to this – all of those roads will be able to be repurposed to use them for cycle ways, and they will be safe, because the autonomous cars will be able to detect the cyclists or pedestrians and not collide with them. This will lead to more people cycling and walking (as we know that cycling / walking infrastructure results in increases in both activities) which in turn will lead to health and wellbeing improvements. I wonder if anyone has modelled that?

    1. Miles Harding Avatar
      Miles Harding

      Good point.
      A large number of our dopey drivers don’t stay within the carriage way and drive along with half of their car in the cycle lane. Is this just a WA thing?

      1. ben Avatar
        ben

        Nope it’s an SA thing too

        1. nakedChimp Avatar
          nakedChimp

          It’s an ‘I have not experienced how it is to be a cyclist’ thing.

          At least we now have the 1.5m distance thing when passing a cyclist in QLD – dunno about you guys.
          Before that became law – cyclists were startled and turned to look back at me what was up, when I slowed down to their speed, if there was not enough space to pass them safely on 2 lane roads.
          Talk about expectations.

          And yeah, if you ever rode a cycle and someone did pass you with more than 80 km/h in a distance of 1 meter you’d do the same.

          1. ben Avatar
            ben

            Yes we have it too. It has made quite an impact although there are many drivers who ignore it.

          2. Miles Harding Avatar
            Miles Harding

            So far, WA has failed on the 1.5 metre rule, perhaps because it was the Greens that proposed it and the Libs were in at the time. Compliance is the other issue. It’s been illegal to drive outside the carriageway for a very long time.

            Another aspect pf the EV experience it that it is easy to slow up and pace cyclists at a reasonable following distance as they negotiate traffic circles.

          3. ben Avatar
            ben

            Yes but for autonomous EV they will need to tune the systems first. LIDAR are getting smaller all the time, and the ML systems to recognise bikes will improve greatly. The rise of e-bikes will help too as onboard GPS would help the system recognise their location

            http://spectrum.ieee.org/transportation/self-driving/selfdriving-cars-have-a-bicycle-problem

          4. Miles Harding Avatar
            Miles Harding

            Enter the ‘bicycle algorithm’ …

          5. ben Avatar
            ben

            They’ll work it out I am sure

          6. Joe Avatar
            Joe

            In Sydney we’ve got the 1.0 and 1.5 metre rule and as I cyclist on the road everyday I can tell you most drivers haven’t got a clue. Time to banish cars from the roads !

          7. James Nilsson Avatar
            James Nilsson

            And that refrigerator you ordered van be delivered by bicycle.

        2. Coley Avatar
          Coley

          And a UK thing-:)

          1. Joe Avatar
            Joe

            And a Sydney thing

        3. Donn N. Avatar
          Donn N.

          And a PD thing.

    2. JoeR_AUS Avatar
      JoeR_AUS

      haha, I ride a bike to work but I took a 18 year break while I dropped of my daughter/son to the school by car, later on to the buss stop. Everybody there drove as well, the only person who was close enough to walk the two kids lived less than 500m from the School . Most mums often have one in a pram – lots to carry on a bicycle.

      I can see bicycles not being the factor you think it will be, childless Alpha males maybe!

      However, ride on!

      1. ben Avatar
        ben

        Yes I realise there are some impediments but a lot of what you describe can be overcome through protected cycle-paths and improvements to infrastructure.

        1. JoeR_AUS Avatar
          JoeR_AUS

          great idea, but 50% of adults are obese, they are not going to put a leg over a top tube ever.

          Electric bicycle or motor bike has a chance but they got to be much cheaper but they will only raise accidents as once non enthusiast start to drive them, its all over!

          1. ben Avatar
            ben

            Look I realise bikes are not suitable for everybody, but there are large health, economic and environmental benefits.

          2. Grand2833 Avatar
            Grand2833

            Rain? Hot weather? Storms? Clothing from the drycleaners, groceries from the Wal-Mart eight miles away, dogs taken to the vet, three kids that need to go everywhere, family vacations, frequent trips to state parks, purchases from the local Home Depot or Lowe’s? Are you beginning to get my point here? It simply will not work. Bicycles and electric vehicles are a ridiculous waste of time. Cars are the cheapest and most reliable form of transportation in our society. That will never change because people will not accept anything that curtails their freedom of movement, that impacts their safety and the safety of their families. Wake up! This is the real world and real people don’t want the bicycles and the electric vehicles. Period.

          3. ben Avatar
            ben

            Cycling is not suitable for every purpose, there are a mix of use-cases for which cycling is good and others where other modes of transport are good. You also have to look at the interplay between suburban living and transport modes. On EVs, they are cars. When autonomous EVs emerge you will be able to have one come and pick you up and take you to Wal-Mart, and the overall ownership cost will be much less.

        2. rhcrest Avatar
          rhcrest

          Yes a mother can carry her children and her groceries on a bike . No problem! You people are nuts

          1. ben Avatar
            ben

            Not for 20 km along a freeway in the suburbs of course, but *in certain areas* it is reasonably common to see the Dutch style cargo bike carrying kids and groceries. A friend of mine has one and uses it every day.

          2. rhcrest Avatar
            rhcrest

            If that’s your choice then fine but most people are not going to do that

          3. ben Avatar
            ben

            That is true. Even if you look at the Netherlands, cycling is about a third of the most frequent mode of transport, cars about 50% and public transport and walking the remainder. Where I live it is about 5%. So even if we double or triple that, we still have a long long way to go. The Netherlands were a predominately car dominated culture until they implemented a very strong policy of moving to cycling over several decades. It can be done.

    3. James Nilsson Avatar
      James Nilsson

      Have you ever tried to cycle in snow at 20 below?

      1. ben Avatar
        ben

        Nope, but I’ve cycled at 40 degrees Celsius. As I have said elsewhere, there is a mix of use-cases for differing modes of transport and not all of them are matched with each other. I realise this is a little difficult for people to understand.

  11. Cooma Doug Avatar
    Cooma Doug

    The cars will coordinate tasks autonomously.
    We will have a travel plan and it will be accessable by all cars. We will also have an energy profile and cars will be the poles and wires to the high density and normal housing. They will park at residences and share energy for all purposes.
    There will be no need to pay or notify. It will be auto. The need to request a vehicle outside the plan will be a quick word into the phone.

    1. ben Avatar
      ben

      Exactly. EVs are batteries on wheels. They will have multiple functions, transport as well as mobile energy.

      I’d also like to see the impact of EVs on public transport and commuting. A fleet of EVs could go and collect people from an area / suburb and take them into their workplaces – if the passengers put in their destination to the smart phone app and the system would optimise the route for pickup and delivery, plus collecting any other passengers along the way.

      The really important thing here is the interplay between smart houses, micro grids, energy trading, domestic solar / batteries and EVs.

      As you say, you can imagine a scenario whereby a facility or house will require additional power. A fully charged EV could automatically drive to the location and provide power to that facility, or conversely if a household had excess power from its solar array, the EV could charge itself from that solar array over the grid. A little like what Reposit Power are doing now.

      1. Cooma Doug Avatar
        Cooma Doug

        The residential high density blocks will have ample energy 24/7. Each resident on average will have 1 car.
        Each car will have details and energy sharing arrangements with all units.
        The possibilities are endless.

        When out the cars will frequently be connected to the grid via the charging stations. This will enable functions of energy management kn the main grid. There will always be many times more battery storage connected to the grid in this way than is tequired.

        I believe the contribution of the cars in this way would greatly reduce the cost of the energy use at home.

        1. Mina Avatar
          Mina

          Oh, GOD!

    2. Grand2833 Avatar
      Grand2833

      Idiot. What nonsense, do you really think all the people of any large city will cooperate in this ? If you think this is possible I suggest you visit a city with it’s many different minority populations. The level of violence and the amount of property crime is overwhelming. No way these people are sharing anything, they are takers, consumers. Who is to pay for all these “shared” services? The vehicles, the maintenance and upkeep, the insurance, the energy costs? No, this is a ridiculous socialist dream of some fictional nirvana. It’s not happening in the real world with real people.

    3. KevTuck Avatar
      KevTuck

      There will still be phones?

    4. Mina Avatar
      Mina

      Your are sh-_’n us, aren’t you?

  12. Radbug Avatar
    Radbug

    Don’t forget EV Vespas. Unlike the ICE Vespas (etc), they have a huge advantage, they won’t damage your hearing.

    1. Vox Veritas Avatar
      Vox Veritas

      Huh? Speak up, please.

  13. Miles Harding Avatar
    Miles Harding

    I recall that the original nuclear power argument that it would be “too cheap to meter” didn’t work out exactly as predicted.

    I feel the same will be the case here. Anybody who drives an EV on a daily basis will be familiar with how much energy it actually uses. While it is true that maintenence will be reduced, it won’t be zero and there is still cost of finance and depreciation in additon to licensing and corporate profts for the ubers that will be presumably running the fleet.

    Most state and city administrations seem to be suffering financial stress, and are having diffculty collecting rubbish** these days, so offering a free car transport service in the near future seems unlikely.

    It would probably be reasonable to predict that taxis will be displaced and public transport augmented as passengers conclude that it is still quicker to take a short ride to the station and blast down the rails instead of sit in in a traffic jam with 50,000 other ubers.

    **Packaging laws with teeth could reduce this cost dramatically, except that the dopes in local government have all signed off-take agreements with garbage-to-power operators and are now trapped in cycles of excess waste to feed boilers.

  14. newnodm Avatar
    newnodm

    maybe by 2050.

  15. David K Clarke Avatar
    David K Clarke

    I’m dubious about the prediction that the EVs will do 1.6m km. We finally gave away our 330,000km, 20 year old Toyota Corona because of worn-out upholstery, door-seals, failed heater, drafts, rattles; the power system was still in good working condition.

    1. Mike Shackleton Avatar
      Mike Shackleton

      You design these pooled EV cars with easily replaceable components – seats that are easy to reupholster or replace – door seals are not hard to replace and a heater box that is modular in nature. They might not be stylish but they will be incredibly utilitarian. Much like the London Taxi design I would expect.

      1. JoeR_AUS Avatar
        JoeR_AUS

        sounds like a Trabant

        1. nakedChimp Avatar
          nakedChimp

          Na, the Trabants frame was rusted through after 10 years in certain places.
          Not even Unterbodenschutz helped.
          Have been driven around in them for my first 18 years 😉
          Though I think the first we had I was already 2 or so.
          And had to be replaced when I turned 7 or thereabouts.

          You should imagine an enthusiast computer case which costs around $200 or more and will last you a lot of boards/cpus/graphic cards and hdd’s/ssd’s for a more fitting comparison.

  16. JoeR_AUS Avatar
    JoeR_AUS

    2030 this must mean that BEV cars are cheaper than ICE cars, to purchase otherwise n/a.

    Autonomous vehicles will have there place:

    My Parents are both to old, poor eye sight etc to drive they could benefit from it. Uber and Taxis too.

    The biggest hurdle for ownership is we predominately all access our vehicles at the same time, peak hour, school holidays, events. So this implies we have a fleet large enough to cover these periods but the vehicles will sit idle while we are at work, school, uni etc – bit like solar farms at night, wind farms on windless days….

    Furthermore, when we go on holidays we want a vehicles large enough to tow and carry the luggage, equipment and toys to the destination, so the BEV we need then are not the same BEV we need when you are single coming home from a party.

    Furthermore, whats the business plan for government to abandon fuel excise? They allowed 43% foreign investment into the VIC real estate market last year and the solution is a $5k fee on purchase – they really have no idea….

  17. REPENTorBURN Avatar
    REPENTorBURN

    The real danger to America was not just a filthy muslim sodomite by the name of Obama alone, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a filthy sodomite like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a gay Obama presidency than to restore the necessary,commonsense ,Godliness and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a creature for their president or any democrat…

    The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr.gay muslim Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the gay fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. “The Republic can survive a gay Obama, who is, after all, merely a gay fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made this gay muslim creature their President.

  18. TroyGale Avatar
    TroyGale

    Just another shallow thinking author who apparently doesn’t understand that America, and may other places in the world are never to be serviced by subways, planes, etc. Hey knock yourselves out with this story because it is a bunch of hooey! Just more closed minded reasoning from people who lack worldly experience and knowledge.

  19. MidAmerica2 Avatar
    MidAmerica2

    When it’s 20 below zero and snowing hard but I need to get to work or the doctor I don’t want to wait for some electric toy to show up….. if it even can.

    1. Bobbie Irish Avatar
      Bobbie Irish

      Yeah! How about -40 below? Do they even work in those temperatures? Think not. Sure as heck don’t want to be stranded in some blizzard!

      1. nickoury Avatar
        nickoury

        Is that F, C or both?

        1. Dave Avatar
          Dave

          Both, of course

          1. nickoury Avatar
            nickoury

            Aw, you gave it away!

      2. scott young Avatar
        scott young

        But, with global warming there will be no more blizzards o -40 days…..lol

    2. Jimbeau Avatar
      Jimbeau

      Electric-only vehicles CANNOT put out heat with any efficiency… the batteries die quickly. How many stories about Musk’s toys successfully being used in cold climes have you read?… It’s bull.

      1. jtom Avatar
        jtom

        Oh, but they’ll have solar panels on the roof of the vehicle! Just gotta keep brushing the snow off of them…and wait until dawn…and pray for sun.

        1. Duocore2 Avatar
          Duocore2

          Hook up a pin wheel and blow real hard.

        2. squirefld Avatar
          squirefld

          Solar panels can’t have any dust, dirt or bird poop on them either. You have to clean them off or lose power production.

        3. Calamity_Jean Avatar
          Calamity_Jean

          Put wipers, like windshield wipers, on the roof. Clean the roof once and use the wipers to stay clean.

      2. Willis Gray Avatar
        Willis Gray

        You can have my Tundra when you pry it from my cold dead fingers

    3. fcabanski Avatar
      fcabanski

      Yes, but you could get an electric toy in which some moron took a poop.

  20. Chance Boudreaux Avatar
    Chance Boudreaux

    Horse crap. Individualists will still own cars. Especially if the “Elite” continue to flood America with foreigners that reduce social trust for mass transit. Catch a bus in Detroit and get back to me.

    1. Grand2833 Avatar
      Grand2833

      Thank you, excellent point.

    2. TAG Avatar
      TAG

      Or dare to ride MARTA in the ATL

      1. happy1ga Avatar
        happy1ga

        I’d rather have bareback copulation with Lena Dunham.

      2. Mina Avatar
        Mina

        I had two old vehicles up until I had to sell the sedan. It was untrustworthy to start. Now the truck is regularly stalling. I cannot even drive it on back streets for that reason. Must sell and save for a newer one that is reliable. Meanwhile I have become well familiar with MARTA, train and busses. I’m down to walking and sometimes pulling a 4 wheel wagon with the cooler and bungee cords. (Name isn’t Mina, btw.) Taking public transportation sucks. Hardly a restroom in sight. Long waits at street stops without seating. And I’m getting well up there in age. Feel like a regular bum wearing my sneakers down to where the soles are going to be flapping soon. Autos are expensive! I have not had to make a car payment in 33 years.

    1. NorwayviaOkinawa Avatar
      NorwayviaOkinawa

      Solar has proven to be a total failure. Hello solyndra. This is all Democrat Commie bull being fed so you all will permit their continued theft and corruption. Where the eff is my jet pack!?!

      1. Frank Avatar
        Frank

        This is some red pill blue pill the whole universe is a virtual reality program Matrix nonsense. Public transportation is already a nightmare and ANYTHING the government subsidizes is an effort to oppress the prosperity of taxpayers wheter healthcare, auto and airline and business regulations forcing rates to be jacked up to comply or the gubmint printing press student loan monopoly ponzi scheme diluting the rarity and quality of any degree and making them more useless cause they graduate practically any student they indebt. We have a guvmint transportation subsidized boondoggle that would be bankrupt if not for the printing press just like the post office and already costing taxpayers aho knows how much to prop it up – its called AmTrak!

        1. bstoff Avatar
          bstoff

          You’re right except the part about the Post Office. It is supported entirely by sales of postage. There is no tax support for Postal services.

      2. fcabanski Avatar
        fcabanski

        Originally, the idea was to have electric cars. Electric and steam powered cars were first. Then the internal combustion engine revolutionized the industry.

        Since combustion engines became popular, Progressives have been looking for ways to taking us back to government controlled transportation in impractical, inefficient vehicles.

      3. bstoff Avatar
        bstoff

        I hope solar energy can eventually become efficient and affordable, it seems like where our future should be. But the government will make it useless if it controls it. Free energy belongs to individual people, not as a public, government-controlled monopoly.

    2. glamdeluxe Avatar
      glamdeluxe

      Sowell is great!

    3. juanjeremy2012 Avatar
      juanjeremy2012

      ITS NOT JUST LEFTISTS. THE LEFT -RIGHT THING IS A FACADE CREATED BY THE GLOBALISTS TO DISTRACT FROM THE REAL CONFLLICT WHICH IS BETWEEN THE 1%ERS (THE GLOBALISTS) AND THE 99%. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY OUR CARS, OUR PRIVACY AND OUR ABILITY TO SHOP ANYWHERE BUT AMAZON IN ORDER TO CONTROL US. EVERYONE SHOULD STOP USING AMAZON AND UBER AND START TELLING THE GLOBALISTS TO SHOVE IT SO WE CAN HAVE SOME FREEDOM.

      1. bstoff Avatar
        bstoff

        Not really the 1%-ers as much as the .01%-ers. They are the ones to worry about, but you will never see or hear anything about them in the public. They are all above people like Soros, who is really a puppet for them.

        1. juanjeremy2012 Avatar
          juanjeremy2012

          yes ur right it ismaybe even .001% ers–the real luciferian pschopaths like bezos, the rockefellars, rothschilds etc…

  21. Joseph Guidry Avatar
    Joseph Guidry

    If you support this you deserve to be a slave. I am going to make a bumper sticker, you want to take away my Mustang GT? You can pry it from my cold dead hands! There will be blood.

  22. TonyMonterey Avatar
    TonyMonterey

    People who live in Cities think they have everything figured out for the rest of us. I foresee these things vandalized and arriving with with “surprises” of all sorts of things people execrate from their body. Utopia meets the Idiocracy.

    1. mcc99 Avatar
      mcc99

      Yeah. Practical solutions from urban settings frequently don’t translate to the needs of suburbanites or country folk. But urbanites often think they should or do for some strange reason.

      1. Gilligan Jones Avatar
        Gilligan Jones

        …you don’t understand. They do not intend for there to be…”country folks”…as robotics will replace much of Big-Ag’s tasks and costs. It is much easier to program a robot to plant, tend and harvest a crop…than it is to employ a person…even if that person is illegally in the country.

    2. Gilligan Jones Avatar
      Gilligan Jones

      ….the elites have developed Agenda 21, Agenda 35 and Agenda 50 with this exact vision in mind. Eliminate huge swaths of the population…(5-6 billion)… and then stack the rest of the economic slaves on top of each other in technologically -controlled cities…where their every move can be traced and tracked.

      1. Nick Avatar
        Nick

        You need to see a doctor.

        1. PoliSike Avatar
          PoliSike

          More hate from Nick.

        2. Gilligan Jones Avatar
          Gilligan Jones

          …you need to educate yourself…or continue to cash those checks you get from the NWO for being a treasonous-troll. Oh, and as a 25 year veteran executive with US DoD…and the retired winner of a twenty-year Federal Whistle Blowing Case against DoD…I think I know much more about the corrupt actions of your government. You sound like an uninformed idiot.

    3. Nick Avatar
      Nick

      That’s where most people live, dumbass. If this is what city-dwellers do in 2030, then the headline will have been true.

      1. PoliSike Avatar
        PoliSike

        Again, Nick, why is your heart filled with so much hate?

      2. bstoff Avatar
        bstoff

        That’s where all of your “friends” live. The cities are full of consumers and “useless eaters” like yourself. You belong there. Enjoy your utopian dream. Look up utopia in the dictionary. It might open your eyes.

  23. x32792 Avatar
    x32792

    When you factor in all the related expenses of buying and owning a car, they ain’t cheap and have very little residual value.

    1. yarpos . Avatar
      yarpos .

      For the utility and convenience provided they are cheap actually, unless you choose to continually buy new ego stroking models and fund the depreciation for everyone else.

  24. John B. French Avatar
    John B. French

    LOL yeah right…Anyone who thinks this will be the case in 13 years is loony..

    1. Grand2833 Avatar
      Grand2833

      Absolutely true, such ridiculous nonsense is more than just unbelievable, it’s loony.

      1. Ellis Avatar
        Ellis

        “Naaaaaayy” thats what the said about horses and steam shovels.

        1. TroyGale Avatar
          TroyGale

          We still have horses don’t we?

          1. KevTuck Avatar
            KevTuck

            They shoot horses, don’t they?

          2. J Michael Avatar
            J Michael

            Depends on their age.

          3. Dumpster Avatar
            Dumpster

            Did they shoot all of them? No. We still have horses.

          4. TroyGale Avatar
            TroyGale

            One of the worst movies of all time.
            Shame on you…

          5. glamdeluxe Avatar
            glamdeluxe

            Only Hanoi Jane.

          6. david333 Avatar
            david333

            * What can be more palpably absurd than the prospect held out of locomotives traveling twice as fast as stagecoaches?
            * The Quarterly Review, March, 1825
            * That the automobile has practically reached the limit of its development is suggested by the fact that during the past year no improvements of a radical nature have been introduced.
            * Scientific American, January 2, 1909.

            * With over fifteen types of foreign cars already on sale here, the Japanese auto industry isn’t likely to carve out a big share of the market for itself
            * Businessweek, August 2, 1968.

          7. fcabanski Avatar
            fcabanski

            You’re missing something. Autonomous cars are a step backwards, not a step forward. They’re a step back to group, rather than individual, travel. Cars give people freedom to go when they want. They brought travel to the individuals. Now you want to take travel away from each person, put it in control of central planners.

            Cars became popular because of the individual freedom they afforded.

          8. Nick Avatar
            Nick

            They autonomous cars still take you wherever you want to go, you paranoid drudgetard.

          9. PA-1 Avatar
            PA-1

            Not if I have to wait for it.

          10. PA-1 Avatar
            PA-1

            Sometimes I don’t know where I want to go. I just want to..go,

          11. phantasm Avatar
            phantasm

            At what cost? It will cost a lot more when Travel is a service. My car costs me a total of 150 a month for gas and about 25 a month for maintenance. It’s paid off so I don’t have to make payments anymore. But if you want to throw it in, I’ve owned the car for 10 years and it cost 20K so say about 165 a month. If you can guarantee me that I will pay less than 350 a month to go where I want, when I want for that cost or cheaper, then I’ll buy into it. Otherwise, no way in hell.

          12. Burnt Orange Avatar
            Burnt Orange

            Maybe families will own ONE auto for personal travel and utilize the new method for errands, travel to work and taking kids to school No need for two or three autos per family. The whole thing might be a compromise with integration of differing methods of travel. It might NOT be an either/or situation.

            That is until the government gets involved then the rules and orders start coming from Washington. Each nation will approach this thing with differing approaches depending on their cultures and economic situation.

          13. PoliSike Avatar
            PoliSike

            So much hatred. Why are you filled with so much hatred?

          14. shannon henderson Avatar
            shannon henderson

            Because he’s a lefty. They are all filled with hatred. That is how they live. Drama queens.

          15. Robert Bonaiuto Avatar
            Robert Bonaiuto

            I can’t wait for your auto car to get hacked and driven off a cliff. While it’s falling you’ll scream, ” I wish I had a chevy……ahhhhhhh”

          16. Taluca Lake Avatar
            Taluca Lake

            Wow. You’re really a sad person. You fail to consider the role of government in all of this.

          17. Casey Kowalchyk Avatar
            Casey Kowalchyk

            Except when they drive you straight to the police station for whatever thought crimes are on the menu in 2030. Paranoid? People were called paranoid once for suggesting that intelligence agencies were using your computer and phone to spy on you. Today’s paranoiac is tomorrow’s prophet.

          18. fcabanski Avatar
            fcabanski

            They do? You don’t have to wait for them to arrive at your destination? They don’t refuse to take you to a bar, for example, if you have a warrant for drunken and disorderly conduct? They will never be regulated to restrict destinations for people?

          19. shannon henderson Avatar
            shannon henderson

            You are right. You are absolutely right. And I’m SURE that list will go on and on. Hadn’t looked down that hole too much because I don’t have any intention of pursuing this.

          20. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            Nick, your fantasy is just that. BTW, you forgot to type in ALL CAPS to serve as a warning to others.

          21. shannon henderson Avatar
            shannon henderson

            You are now officially an idiot. 2 of your comments you are judging and mocking those that read drudge. Do you have anything else in that brain of yours or do you just try to put people down? Well, I guess that makes you a typical Lefty. Nothing to say so you make fun of people. You RACIST, HOMOPHOBIC, TRANSPHOBIC, BIGOT, SEXIST pig! Sorry sweet pea but EVERYTHING in life is a slippery slope. If it wasn’t then Newton’s 1st law of motion would be incorrect.

          22. Billygoattincan Avatar
            Billygoattincan

            The government won’t let you rent or ride in an autonomous until there are 6 of you going to the same destination. From there, you walk.

          23. Evil Otto Avatar
            Evil Otto

            Mmm, that’s some good hatred. Delicious.

          24. Shep????✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ Avatar
            Shep????✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Yes.

          25. Daniel Ramos Avatar
            Daniel Ramos

            Hey Shep…my Aunt Bernina would like you to check in on her. Be a good chap and say hi will you please?

          26. Shep????✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ Avatar
            Shep????✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Yes. Working on a merger. Still at office. We have a conference call and other work to do.

            I noticed her fence had panel blow out. I’ll take care of that as soon as I can.

          27. Shep????✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ Avatar
            Shep????✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Links for Antifa + Communists + Nambla

            https://www.google.com/search?q=antifa+communists+nambla&oq=antifa+communists+nambla&aqs=chrome..69i57.17000j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

            It is pretty damning.

            The pages from the journal are absolutely disgusting.

          28. Shep????✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ Avatar
            Shep????✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Spoke with my son. It was the fence panel. He has already fixed it.

          29. MovinToCanada Avatar
            MovinToCanada

            * Americans will never be so pathetic as to choose dependency and limitation over freedom of travel

            I see your point

          30. joesockit Avatar
            joesockit

            Look in the mirror, You are your parents. Self driving cars are the norm in the future. It will start in cities because there it makes sense. Where I see the risk is anything that upsets the grid now takes down even more infrastructure. An emp that takes out some GPS Satellites now wipes out all transportation, not just a few cars in a certain area. Battery range will also be an issue.

          31. TAG Avatar
            TAG

            I could get you one…

          32. TroyGale Avatar
            TroyGale

            I have some thanks!

          33. Rusty Longwood Avatar
            Rusty Longwood

            Not many horses. Just a sliver of what we used to have. And most of those are kept for fun and sport. Just like we’ll have with cars.

          34. TroyGale Avatar
            TroyGale

            Don’t bet on it, not all of us live in cities.

          35. BigDaddyJim Avatar
            BigDaddyJim

            Guess you’ll be part of the 40% they say will still own cars.

          36. TroyGale Avatar
            TroyGale

            More than 40%. People are becoming tired of living in the cesspools called major cities. That is being documented each year as those who can flee them.

          37. Gilligan Jones Avatar
            Gilligan Jones

            ..I live in an area with hundreds of horses…a couple across the fence, five or six across the street…and barns or fields filled with them as I drive down the road a couple of miles from my home. And I live in Northern California…I’m sure there are many more in Texas, Oklahoma…etc…..

          38. Burnt Orange Avatar
            Burnt Orange

            Can you saddle one or put a bridal on a horse? They are NOT a part of everyday life. Autos might wind up the same — a curiosity or a collectors item.

          39. Casey Kowalchyk Avatar
            Casey Kowalchyk

            I bridled a bit when I read this.

          40. R_Swift Avatar
            R_Swift

            BO is attempting to saddle us with government control, I for one demand he put a halter to this.

          41. TroyGale Avatar
            TroyGale

            Yes, I grew up with horses and mules in rural Pennsylvania. I have room for them on my place today, but don’t need the expense of keeping them. But I do know how to saddle and bridle a horse, and ride one too.
            And the Amish would disagree that the horse isn’t a part of everyday life. I see them every time I take a trip to Springfield, MO. Either with the family wagon, or working their fields.

          42. Burnt Orange Avatar
            Burnt Orange

            In case you did not GET IT I was referring to the average person. At one time most individuals could deal with taking care of a horse. Now not so much.

            Driving might go the way of the horse and buggy. And yes I know a very small percentage of people still utilize horses and buggies.
            A rhetorical question often does not seek an answer but is used as a way to illustrate a larger truth.
            The Amish are not even one half of one percent of the population of the USA.

          43. TroyGale Avatar
            TroyGale

            It isn’t rocket science, the average person has seen a movie with horses. It doesn’t take a College education to figure it out. Since there are millions of horses still in the U.S., there is enough folks to teach the helpless how to saddle and bridle them. The horse, nor the private vehicle won’t be vanishing anytime soon.

          44. Burnt Orange Avatar
            Burnt Orange

            Not sure the story said they would be vanishing but miles driven by drivers would be reduced by 90%. Headline overhypes story.
            My guess is individuals will probably own one auto for personal use while utilizing driverless services for some everyday trips around town and kids to school. No need for families with two or three autos. i agree that the private auto will not be going anyplace anytime soon. But changes are coming.

        2. Neighbor2u Avatar
          Neighbor2u

          Individuals owned horses and now individuals own cars.

          1. zoomwhat Avatar
            zoomwhat

            And individuals now own cars, horses, and trucks and trailers to haul them.

          2. ohiograndma Avatar
            ohiograndma

            My imagination is running wild. If the government mandated no private cars, I’m certain some other form of independent transportation would develop. Like… horses.

          3. Leone Avatar
            Leone

            I foresee us mandating the end of any government that outlaws private ownership of cars and trucks…We’ll restart this Republic from scratch first, my dear.

          4. Mina Avatar
            Mina

            got that right

          5. soononbluray Avatar
            soononbluray

            If? How can you even think like that? The government would never mandate no private cars. There would be a violent overthrow.

          6. Taluca Lake Avatar
            Taluca Lake

            Check out the cities that have “no car” zones. They effectively limit ownership. But fear not. As long as the UAW is contributing to democrats, there will be cars.

          7. BigDaddyJim Avatar
            BigDaddyJim

            Public transportation and even corporate owned transportation services gives the government much more information on peoples movement and the ability to limit it when they choose.

          8. Mina Avatar
            Mina

            That is why their prediction won’t come true.

          9. fcabanski Avatar
            fcabanski

            That’s what people are missing. Cars give travel to the individuals. This self driving car concept takes control of travel away from individuals. It puts corporations and ultimately the government in more control of when and where people travel.

          10. Nick Avatar
            Nick

            The cars still take you where you want to go, tho. Better wrap another layer of aluminum foil around your head.

          11. PoliSike Avatar
            PoliSike

            Again, you can’t express yourself without the hate. Why all the hatred?

          12. Taluca Lake Avatar
            Taluca Lake

            He’s posting as part of his junior high civics class

          13. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            “Civics class “. In public schools? No way.

          14. Taluca Lake Avatar
            Taluca Lake

            How silly of me!

          15. Casey Kowalchyk Avatar
            Casey Kowalchyk

            The Interurbans took everyone where they wanted to go, were electric, and inexpensive to run and maintain. Where are they all now?

          16. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            They went out of business because they were unpopular, inefficient and communities didn’t want to subsidize them anymore. I like the idea of public transport to avoid congestion and save energy, voluntary use would be nice to have, but this pseudo-mandatory things is not going to work for Americans who value freedom of movement. Reminds me of “Little Red Barchetta” by Rush.

          17. Casey Kowalchyk Avatar
            Casey Kowalchyk

            Inefficient? Unpopular? Wrong on both counts.

            http://www.streetcarcon.com/the-book/

          18. fcabanski Avatar
            fcabanski

            How do you know there will be no regulation on where cars take certain people?

          19. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            DUDE! TYPE IN ALL CAPS SO WE KNOW YOU ARE MAKING A HATEFUL SCREED! HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW NOT TO READ YOUR COMMENT????

          20. cosmicwxdude Avatar
            cosmicwxdude

            WRONG!

          21. GreyGeek77 Avatar
            GreyGeek77

            And the next thing you know those corporations will be dictating where you can and can’t go, just like some do now with what you want to write in talk back columns. “First do no evil” morphs into “It’s our way or the highway”.

          22. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            Yep. Remember when you became old enough to drive? The sense of freedom was overwhelming. Nick wants to put a stop to that. Down with Nick!

          23. Nick Avatar
            Nick

            Your cell phone always tracks everywhere you go, you paranoid dumbass drudgetard.

          24. PoliSike Avatar
            PoliSike

            So full of hate.

          25. GreyGeek77 Avatar
            GreyGeek77

            Not if you take the battery out, or put it in a type of Faraday Cage.

          26. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            You mean YOUR cellphone does. We don’t all imprison ourselves voluntarily the way you do. You should stop the ad-hominem attacks if you want to be allowed to continue posting comments, Nick. An automated system of transport will not only track you, it will also move you wherever it wants you to be, regardless of your wishes. Something to think about, huh? Think about that while you take your Ritalin.

          27. Evil Otto Avatar
            Evil Otto

            Your anger is hilarious.

          28. cosmicwxdude Avatar
            cosmicwxdude

            Must be pleasant being around you. But I am glad I am not.

          29. Rasheed White Avatar
            Rasheed White

            Uber and left will lobby to have it banned.

          30. Burnt Orange Avatar
            Burnt Orange

            What about the entire freight industry. Trucks will still do the hauling.

          31. Ellis Avatar
            Ellis

            I would rather the 300 horsepower i have now.

        3. Quick Rick Avatar
          Quick Rick

          Guess what? In 13 years we will still have horses, and we will still have cars.

          1. squirefld Avatar
            squirefld

            They will still be big gas guzzlers.

        4. TL Avatar
          TL

          I think the intent is to go back using horses. No wait, that would be infringing on their rights….

        5. GreyGeek77 Avatar
          GreyGeek77

          When I was a kid those promoting nuclear energy were claiming that it would be so safe and cheap it would probably end up being given away as a social benefit.

          It seems that snake oil salesmen are still in business.

          1. Casey Kowalchyk Avatar
            Casey Kowalchyk

            “Nuclear-powered vacuum cleaners will probably be a reality within ten years.”

            – Alex Lewyt, president of Lewyt vacuum company, 1955

          2. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            Communist utopias have been all the rage for more than 100 years. It never stops. Antifa is trying to accelerate the process. Right Nick?

        6. dean Avatar
          dean

          The difference is that the car was a revolutionary step in transportation that the people wanted. I do a good enough job driving myself. I have been driving for 25 years and I have no accidents or tickets. I need a self driving car as much as I need a toilet that wipes my butt for me. I am not lazy. I can do easy tasks myself. Driving is easy for me. I think there are lots of people out there who can handle the task of driving themselves.

      2. Buzz Kill Avatar
        Buzz Kill

        It’s Un-American, If I feel like taking a cruise at 2:00am I damn sure wil and I don’t need too log in and ask for a ride(permission).

        1. rentslave Avatar
          rentslave

          I can’t do that.One of Obama’s Dreamers will steal my parking space.

          1. Boardman Avatar
            Boardman

            There will be no more parking. All the cool kids will just have their cars drive up and down the hills of San Fran 24/7 and jump in when they need to. No need for parking. We are doomed.

          2. diggferkel Avatar
            diggferkel

            I’ll be back to riding horses. Let those city slickers beg for rides.

          3. crazydog606 Avatar
            crazydog606

            Unless they make “horsepower” illegal lol sarc

          4. SavageGulf Avatar
            SavageGulf

            There will be a high methane tax on horses.

          5. obamistake Avatar
            obamistake

            Then the liberals will be crying about all the “Equine warming”.

          6. disqus_at95K9bcZs Avatar
            disqus_at95K9bcZs

            Liberals are just crybabies. They are essentially negative people.

          7. Chuck Roost Avatar
            Chuck Roost

            Liberals are losers and academicians who believe they know better than you do how to completely run your life. The losers want what you have and the academicians want to plan your future. Califruita is almost a one-party state right now.

          8. John Karpiscak Avatar
            John Karpiscak

            I say let the secede. It’ll cut down tremendously on the demoncrat vote. First, we’ll allow the patriots to leave, then build the wall on our side so the loonies can’t get over here without visas.

          9. wombat_7777 Avatar
            wombat_7777

            Yep…put a big chain meash fence around it and let it consume itself…good riddance….

          10. El_Tigre_Loco Avatar
            El_Tigre_Loco

            1984 predicted that governments will continually find things to panic their citizens with so they keep control. “We will fix it.”

          11. PickyWizard Avatar
            PickyWizard

            They will NEVER be happy and they don’t want you to be either.

          12. chris Avatar
            chris

            Yep, have to put a fart meter on them to regulate methane.

          13. Stev Avatar
            Stev

            CA is already attempting this with cows

          14. wombat_7777 Avatar
            wombat_7777

            when was the last time any liberal actually made any sense?

          15. mycrossroads Avatar
            mycrossroads

            Not in my world

          16. Monty Simmons Avatar
            Monty Simmons

            NO, the government will call that animal abuse and fine you for riding an animal, including horses.

          17. Marion Mitchell Morrison Avatar
            Marion Mitchell Morrison

            That is not really a joke. The extreme animal rights groups want to outlaw pets, too.

          18. Chuck Roost Avatar
            Chuck Roost

            Communist China is giving all of its 1.5 billion citizens a “good citizenship rating” between 1 and 100. The entire world government will soon do this. If you score below let’s say a 10, off to the work camps with you!

          19. Loosie Goosie Avatar
            Loosie Goosie

            Actually, getting rid of cars we control is a commie/globalist/control freak’s wet dream. What better way to strip away our individuality and freedom than to control where we go and how we get there? Why do you think these leftist tech giants are pushing it so hard?

          20. La Billyboy Avatar
            La Billyboy

            Amen… it will never happen except in the Democratic run cities.

          21. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
            Snowflake Safe Zone

            Can’t happen. They would be getting carjacked all the time.

          22. Spoofy McSpoof Avatar
            Spoofy McSpoof

            Kind of hard to car jack something without a steering wheel.

          23. Scott Allen Avatar
            Scott Allen

            you could make it stop moving by placing 3 boxes around the car, which would fool the sensors into thinking they were solid objects.

          24. Spoofy McSpoof Avatar
            Spoofy McSpoof

            Yeah but then what are you going to do with it, get a crane and load it on a flatbed?

          25. Scott Allen Avatar
            Scott Allen

            you don’t think that kids will catch on, really fast to this “prank”.
            You don’t have to steal the car to disrupt the service.
            or how about spray painting the cameras/sensors.
            Spraying the sensors is already happening now on car with low tech sensors.
            You also have to keep the sensors clean from dirt.

          26. wombat_7777 Avatar
            wombat_7777

            Bit hard to drive a vehicle if its GPS sensors are covered in alu foil….

          27. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
            Snowflake Safe Zone

            They gave steering wheels.

          28. White Privilege Avatar
            White Privilege

            Brilliant!

          29. Everett Sykes Avatar
            Everett Sykes

            It also removes ones means of escape during a disastet or other reasons to evauate an ares.

          30. Chris Drongers Avatar
            Chris Drongers

            Hmmmm. I drove out of Hilton Head in the evacuation before the cyclone. Thousands of cars going inland at 2miles an hour. Put us on buses and reduce the congestion to 1/40 of what happened there and increase number of persons that could be evacuated by same

          31. Loachdriner Avatar
            Loachdriner

            Yep. In 2013 a forest fire swept through Black Forest, Colorado destroying 488 houses, including mine (I’ve since rebuilt w/ a smaller house but w/ a larger garage–after all, I own the land & the water rights to my well).

            As far as I know, not a single church of the 8 or ten here was touched by the fire.

            That was no time to sit awaiting a share ride. Especially for one such as I, since wounded-in-action in Viet-Nam 47 years ago, wounds that left me w/ a paralyzed leg as well as a paralyzed arm

          32. wideEyedPupil Avatar
            wideEyedPupil

            Churches tend to be at the center of towns on the top of extensively cleared hills. They made sure they got there first back in the day. Or perhaps your god loves churches and hates 488 families, who knows that could be it.

          33. PickyWizard Avatar
            PickyWizard

            Exactly! Freedom of mobility (for Americans) is a huge obstacle to the globalists’ scheme.

          34. mrunpc Avatar
            mrunpc

            Yup!

          35. Terrence Jeffrey Johnson Avatar
            Terrence Jeffrey Johnson

            We have guns, too

          36. John Avatar
            John

            There actually was a movie about this back in the 80’s called The Last Chase.

            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082642/

          37. PinBlog Avatar
            PinBlog

            Up on Mystery Science Theater on YouTube at:
            https://youtu.be/ZWPspYjPi3c

          38. mrunpc Avatar
            mrunpc

            Correction: “commie/globalist/LIBERAL/DEMOCRAT control freak’s wet dream”.

          39. REALIST Avatar
            REALIST

            They will know, 24/7 where you have been, where you are, and where you are going….and they can record you on video while IN the State Car…..and see if you have any religious information, banned political literature, a gun GOD FORBID, etc.

          40. wombat_7777 Avatar
            wombat_7777

            Any software can be hacked….

          41. Devine gaurdian of light Avatar
            Devine gaurdian of light

            It’s called the social credit system. And when it happens here they’ll be able to limit your caloric intake.

          42. wombat_7777 Avatar
            wombat_7777

            They can eat my shorts….

          43. vilonia Avatar
            vilonia

            F*ing vegans.

          44. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
            Snowflake Safe Zone

            PETA has actually broken into labs, stolen rabbits and set them free. However, they all died.

          45. mrunpc Avatar
            mrunpc

            I hope the ones that “all died” were the PETA animals.

          46. LazarusRose Avatar
            LazarusRose

            Who died? PETA or the rabbits? Don’t leave us hanging man.

          47. LazarusRose Avatar
            LazarusRose

            I found one advocating no more meat or killing of any animal. A vegan site. But they still advocate killing babies before they’re born. How did those demons get out of hell?

          48. Mr. Creosote Avatar
            Mr. Creosote

            How did those demons get out of hell?
            .
            They probably stole an electric car.

          49. mycrossroads Avatar
            mycrossroads

            They will be going back one of these days forever. When our Lord returns

          50. John Karpiscak Avatar
            John Karpiscak

            They were given dominion over the Earth for a time when they were cast down out of Heaven when they rebelled against God, lead by Satan/Lucifer.

          51. REALIST Avatar
            REALIST

            Babies have no rights. Animals have Privilege

          52. LazarusRose Avatar
            LazarusRose

            Wow, that puts it in plain words. I was going to object but that sadly, is the truth.

          53. Greg Hudson Avatar
            Greg Hudson

            I guess it depends if they eat the babies instead of the animals. Fetuses are, after all just another protein source right ?

          54. LazarusRose Avatar
            LazarusRose

            AS much as you are, I guess.

          55. Loachdriner Avatar
            Loachdriner

            Some of these idiots still don’t realize that there once was a time when there were no grocery stores & that the difference between a hunter eating what he has killed & someone buying lamb chops or hamburger in a grocery is the store customer has someone else kill the animal whose body parts he’s going to eat.

            For the dingbats who are vegetarians, have at it, if you wish.

          56. Dan Neuenswander Avatar
            Dan Neuenswander

            I’d like to outlaw free range cats, they $hit all over the neighborhood and pi$$ on cars.

          57. mycrossroads Avatar
            mycrossroads

            Sell hunting licenses

          58. LazarusRose Avatar
            LazarusRose

            But they’re tasty…but be sure to skin them first. Old Chinese recipe.

          59. wombat_7777 Avatar
            wombat_7777

            Yeah and they can eat my shorts, if they try that prank….
            Meet my friend…mr smith & mr wess……

          60. Patrick Burton Avatar
            Patrick Burton

            They will also tax him for the biohazard the horse leaves behind.

          61. alex carter Avatar
            alex carter

            I’ve lived in a rural area south of “silicon valley” and often there was as much horse traffic as car traffic. If you’re living on maybe $1500 a year, you might have a horse no problem but can’t afford the gas and insurance for a car.

          62. Mary Vollmer Avatar
            Mary Vollmer

            How do you figure? I can afford to buy a horse, but I can’t afford to keep one.

          63. FightingEagle Avatar
            FightingEagle

            Kind of like a Ferrari.

          64. disqus_at95K9bcZs Avatar
            disqus_at95K9bcZs

            Like there is no cost to owning a horse? City folks!!

          65. llewellynh Avatar
            llewellynh

            There will be a cost to any form of transportation and the driverless cars will come in the form of a head tax and a usage tax as well.

          66. La Billyboy Avatar
            La Billyboy

            You are right the Democrat party will find a way to tax anything that moves… or doesn’t…

          67. OPDave Avatar
            OPDave

            And the allegation that driverless vehicles will have fewer accidents is totally bogus!! Driverless vehicles will hit children running into the road, will line up like lemmings to fall into any open hole in the road, and will ignore utility barriers and police lines. The downfall of driverless vehicles will be their failure to instantly adapt to real-world conditions.

            Envision a Microsoft-guided car waiting for the Patch Tuesday update…or suddenly crashing when hit by a “turn left” virus!!

          68. Joe Wilson Avatar
            Joe Wilson

            Calm down wild man. Computers scan the road thousands of times a second, they stop much quicker then a human can even start to react. 99.9999 percent of all accidents are HUMAN fault, not mechanical. Stop this silly panic over what is going to happen.

          69. INFW Avatar
            INFW

            Joe Wilson you are a racist against HUMANS. Or do you have stock in driverless cars? Obviously you haven’t seen the reports of the driverless cars that have been in accidents and have difficulty with REAL cars? Or how about the reports of the technology in cars that have just TAKEN OVER the steering when a HUMAN was in it and forced a crash. Have you bothered to look?

          70. EJ Moosa Avatar

            So the larger your family the more it will cost to take them somewhere.

            We will eliminate all economies of scale.

          71. johnparker237 Avatar
            johnparker237

            Yeah really… like the Oatmeal said 🙂

            theoatmeal.com/story/eat_horses

          72. La Billyboy Avatar
            La Billyboy

            My vet bills and food bills, not to mention the value of my time spent caring for my 2 horses was a lot more than for my 2 cars.

          73. Chuck Roost Avatar
            Chuck Roost

            Horse fuel costs far more than gasoline.

          74. Stephen A. Weiss Avatar
            Stephen A. Weiss

            Mr. Roost,

            So? What price is too high for individual freedom to you?

          75. John Karpiscak Avatar
            John Karpiscak

            And it’s costs are constant, whether you use them or not.

          76. Heartland Patriot Avatar
            Heartland Patriot

            The “cool kids” can pucker up and plant a big kiss right on America’s backside. You really think that Americans out in “the heartland” are going to give up their automobiles, especially pickup trucks and SUVs?

          77. La Billyboy Avatar
            La Billyboy

            Oh come on, of course the egg shaped electric capsule will be able to take you out to the back 40 to mend a fence… Up to the ski slopes in the winter… load all your stuff in it and go cross country for 1500 miles for a vacation… yeah right.

          78. Mike Betts Avatar
            Mike Betts

            You forgot about using the egg-car to tow your boat to the lake.

          79. PickyWizard Avatar
            PickyWizard

            There will be no recreational boating once the lefty globalists get their way, don’t you know this?

          80. Joe Wilson Avatar
            Joe Wilson

            Well, yes they will. What this generation panics about the next will embrace happily. Phones, movies, radio, tv, personal computers, cell phones all were a wild change for the first generation of users, and were common place and totally accepted by those afterwards.

          81. Chuck Roost Avatar
            Chuck Roost

            Government will own all electric vehicles. You will be charged per mile and watched.

          82. La Billyboy Avatar
            La Billyboy

            Somehow I just don’t see electric cars owned by some big gov’t controlled conglomerate ever working for the vast rural areas of the nation. This is just a big city fantasy for Democrat Socialists to control every facet of your life.

          83. INFW Avatar
            INFW

            vast rural areas???? Agenda 21 maps LOOK AT THEM. They are going to use “sustainable development” as NO GO ZONES for HUMANS. Look up the maps NOW! Why do you think they use GMO foods, globalists don’t eat them. Why do you think they put fluoride (neuro toxin) in water, why do you think they give mercury ladden vaccinations? Why do you think they have GEOENGINEERING spraying of our atmosphere going on? Search…What in the world are they spraying. Why do you think they ban comment sections on some articles? I’ll tell you. Because people are learning the TRUTH from comment sections and research for themselves.

          84. Everett Sykes Avatar
            Everett Sykes

            One is only doomed when they surrender their free will or their means of self defense like say oooh Australia.

          85. INFW Avatar
            INFW

            How about Venezuella? They are eating zoo animals. Look it up.

          86. Greg Hudson Avatar
            Greg Hudson

            Tell me what the the % of deaths by gun per capita in Australia compared to USA? The answer is here:
            http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime

          87. Terrence Jeffrey Johnson Avatar
            Terrence Jeffrey Johnson

            By 2030 San Fransicko will be on trhe bottom of the bay after the Heaven-sent 10.9 “Big One”:

          88. Tim Allgood Avatar
            Tim Allgood

            be thankful its the space and not the car.

          89. R_Swift Avatar
            R_Swift

            You have a parking space, luxury……..

          90. Abe hakim Avatar
            Abe hakim

            Same here

          91. XUSAMABO Avatar
            XUSAMABO

            If he hasn’t already stolen your car.

        2. bobdog19006 Avatar
          bobdog19006

          Oh, my Heavenly Daze. Could this be the end of the world as we know it? Why, oh, why, didn’t we LISTEN!

          it’s all so very confusing. I can’t decide whether we’re all going to be freezing to death in caves by 2030, or whether the sky is going to catch fire in 10…

          9….

          8….

          Somebody get my smelling salts! I think I’m about to swoon.

          1. Thelma Mayflower Avatar
            Thelma Mayflower

            lol!

          2. 9eyedeel Avatar
            9eyedeel

            little ice age in 2029

          3. John C Avatar
            John C

            “That’s great it starts with an Earthquake……” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsxavPANO8s

          4. INFW Avatar
            INFW

            Call Al Gore. He has some carbon credits for you to buy to line his big fat globalist pockets. Remember polar bears were going to be extict by 2007. First it was global cooling, then global warming, now its…..CLIMATE CHANGE. So who is predicting the end of the world here? Better get your carbon credits to support the globalist private jets and multiple 15 bedroom mansions in other countries while they want us living in “tiny houses” and living in “smart cities” and govt regulated driving. P.S. Polar bear numbers are increasing more than ever before and they are NOT drowning.

        3. Nick Avatar
          Nick

          Buzz kill, you don’t get it. The point of the article and is that the economics of autonomous cars will be such that people will choose not to own one. If you want to pay hundreds of dollars per month in leases, loans, fuel, registration, maintenance, insurance, etc so you can drive around at 2am by yourself, fine. That will just be how you choose to spend your money. Other people will likely prefer to avoid those expenses and buy other things. Christ, everything has to be spelled out for you Drudge drunk morons who only see one paranoid aspect of a situation and issue loud, uncompromising opinions.

          1. paganpink Avatar
            paganpink

            Ride the Unicorns liberals always believe in, then! After a trillion dollars of tax payers hard earned money spent to pay people to drive them we still don’t even have 1% of sales going to electric vehicles!? Because the market doesn’t want them- regardless of you big government folks spending a Kings ransom to subsidize them with idiotic social experiments that fly in the face of common sense. Like, what fuel is used to generate electricity, and how is that better then the energy dense gasoline and its distribution network. Wake up! Geez. Read a book sometime will ya?!

          2. PoliSike Avatar
            PoliSike

            Nick, why do you express yourself so hatefully? Put aside the hatred.

          3. Scott Furley Avatar
            Scott Furley

            nick is a fool. he will not step foot in one of these public bathrooms/drunk tank/automated fleet cars if they were to be available. you would be sitting in needles and fluids of all types and pet hairs of all types. people own their own cars and homes for a reason in capitalistic society.

          4. Matterak Avatar
            Matterak

            This will only apply to huge cities not the majority of states in fly-over America, you know, where people aren’t sheep and this crap doesn’t work for any of us. Kind of like how Uber, etc operates now.

            As someone who lives in multiple northern states, these stories make me laugh. They never work in Alaska or anywhere else where it very cold and lots of snow. You need a very dependable vehicle with power to get through the snow.

            Also, most people want to be independent in the fly-over states, not dependent on some autonomous ride system. People in the huge cities are fine with being told what they can and can’t do. That much is obvious.

          5. INFW Avatar
            INFW

            Have you ever heard of taxes? They will raise them to force people INTO the cities. Its called Agenda 21 and Agenda 30. Uber is the stepping stone to “condition” people into NOT driving. The overton window. They will TAX us out of our cars and ins. companies will raise rates so it is no longer affordable. Wake up wake up!!!!

          6. tony tyler Avatar
            tony tyler

            that is exactly what is going on too. an easier way to control us and kill us off when they so choose..

          7. Chris Drongers Avatar
            Chris Drongers

            No agenda or world government at all. The cities are where the $$$$ in business and employment are. And the money buys nightlife, varied food and entertainment, and services like old folks homes and supermarkets. That is why peeps are moving to cities. Or u can listen to the crickets.

          8. clb45para Avatar

            Moving to the cities? Not exactly. Moving out is what they are doing. Look at the Villages in Florida. Wish they would stay in the cities.

          9. metusky Avatar
            metusky

            You are quite wrong on your assessment that people are moving to cities. The opposite is the case. Do some research.

          10. Bunky Avatar
            Bunky

            Hey, welcome to Detroit!
            Ha, ha, ha, ha,

          11. Daniel Morgan Avatar
            Daniel Morgan

            Last i heard “Peeps” are fleeing cities at record rates. Big cities may be great if you are young, single, and a player but they are no place for someone with a real life.

          12. Willnot B. Silenced Avatar
            Willnot B. Silenced

            For my money, I wish they would fence of the cities and keep the “peeps” in. They bring too many diseases… not to mention fleas, head lice, crabs, and progressivism…. with them.

          13. Ergo Avatar
            Ergo

            at least there is a cure for fleas.

          14. enviroknight Avatar
            enviroknight

            I rather listen to crickets than horns, gunfire, screams and sirens…you can keep it!!!

          15. Guest Avatar
            Guest

            It’s also where fluoridated water is, smog, high EMFs, blaring sirens 24/7, some of the worst K-12 PUBLIC schools are, and most have high gun-control a high percentage of mentally retarded people (per capita of course)

          16. PCnoMore Avatar
            PCnoMore

            I will take the chirping of crickets over the sardine can and group think mentality of city living any day.

          17. Stev Avatar
            Stev

            I like the sound of crickets at night and love my space. I will be retired by then and do not live in a big city now. I hate hate hate it when I have to drive to LA now

          18. INFW Avatar
            INFW

            Have you bothered to research Agenda 21 and Agenda 30? No world gov’t???? Wow go to sleep go to sleep or should I say…..stay asleep little sheep. Take your shots, drink the fluoride, eat GMO foods because the govt will take very good care of you. Just like they do in Venezuela. Look up Georgia Guidestones. Live in your Agenda 21 “tiny house.”

          19. Chris Drongers Avatar
            Chris Drongers

            Hmmm – I read the science, I use fluoridated water; do your property rights prevent me (deny me my right) to live in a ‘tiny house’ if I don’t like cleaning/heating/cooling/building a big one?; can I not have a garage and use the space for a living room instead?; should I be able to buy a fuel efficient car from Europe if I don’t want to pay for gas or an rooftop solar system from China if I don’t want to pay Duke Energy? There are the benefits of internationalism

          20. INFW Avatar
            INFW

            Fluoride is a neurotoxin (brain toxin) Scientist can be bought and paid for to fit their narrative and agenda. No problem if people want to live in “tiny homes” just be aware of the fact that there is social engineering going on.

          21. Chris Drongers Avatar
            Chris Drongers

            Fluoride is common many water sources – where it is in very low concentration people have bad teeth (also where it is very high concentration) ; in the middle teeth have fewer holes and this concentration is where fluoridation is aimed. Excessive fluoride can come from power station ash dumps (Duke, you cleaned up yet), aluminium smelters (along with oxalate, thorium, radium, ytterium, etc). Cars belch carbon particles, NOx, hydrocarbons, crash into each other and inanimate objects, consume huge chunks of tax money for roads to park on, better to reduce their number, like cats.

          22. INFW Avatar
            INFW

            Go ahead give up your car just don’t force your ignorance on others. P.S. Cars give off carbon MONOXIDE not DIOXIDE. Plants need carbon dioxide to survive. We give off dioxide. Are they getting rid of people next. Oh yeah I forgot, they already are with the GMO foods, FLUORIDE in the water and geoengineering chemtrails. P.S. read “The Fluoride Deception” there are good (natural fluorides) and bad TOXIC waste from phosphate companies who once had to PAY to get rid of the TOXIC waste. Read your toothpaste tube. Contact your poison control center immediately if swallowed. Are you awake yet? Or are you a Soros paid troll or a Soros computer robot (bot)?

          23. Chris Drongers Avatar
            Chris Drongers

            usa is about to find out how much retreating behind national trade and diplomatic barriers is going to cost – fewer cheap goods from Asia (will US drop workers pay to match), but more less influence in trade and security negotiations, less support for military actions abroad, more visa requirements to travel, brain drain to India/Europe/China/Nigeria followed by the companies that grow from the brains, banking limits, carbon tariff penalties. When the frack gas and oil run down usa will have to catch up on rest of world’s renewables quickly and expensively or go back to living under clouds of pollutants from coal. Demanding that a nation make all its own stuff held India back for 50 years, it will do the same in USA

          24. Rona ✓ Avatar
            Rona ✓

            Exactly

          25. Guest Avatar
            Guest

            When did Agenda 30 come out?!?!?!
            I know about Agenda 21–scary, un-American shit.

          26. INFW Avatar
            INFW

            I think last year at Bilderberg meeting. Notice 2030 the year of driverless cars. Agenda 30 and “smart cities” they are already rolling out and brainwashing making it cool “to live in tiny houses.” Uber makes it cool to be ushered around in “driverless cars.” Enslavement pure and simple.

          27. paulinpittsburgh Avatar
            paulinpittsburgh

            They’ve been trying this for decades and it’s failed miserably. The vast majority of federally mandated “safety” and “environmental” standards on cars have nothing to do with safety or the environment. They’re hidden taxes in the price of a car the sole purpose of which has been to drive the cost of buying a car high enough to be out of the reach the average consumer.

            But look at the price of a full sized pickup truck or SUV and the position they hold in over all sales and it is clear their strategy isn’t working, just as $6-8 and higher gas taxes didn’t achieve their desired affect.

            People love their cars! American consumers have demonstrated time and time again owning a vehicle is a top priority and they will simply reallocate their money however they need to in order to have the vehicles they want, and it is other parts of the economy that get squeezed as a result of these ill-conceived myopic efforts.

          28. John C Avatar
            John C

            It will lead to a revolt and when it’s over Liberalism/ socialism/ Communism will be banned forever and the left will have few survivors. I pray it never comes to that but history shows what happens when government becomes such a burden on the people.

          29. dean Avatar
            dean

            Many of the younger Millennials are like sheep. They just care about their phones and driving is not important to them. They also tend to gravitate towards cities. So self driving cars will appeal to many of them. Those of us who like to drive and also understand that driving in bad conditions requires a certain skill that can’t be programed into a computer will not buy into this stuff. I trust my skill to drive in snow and on ice better than a programmer in Silicon Valley.

          30. TexasMom2012 Avatar
            TexasMom2012

            Driving yourself means independence.

          31. shannon henderson Avatar
            shannon henderson

            YOU GET IT!! I’m right there with you. FREEDOM. Love it.

          32. Dragonborn Avatar
            Dragonborn

            It is all about freedom. The idea of sitting in a “used taxi” does not appeal to me at all. Gross. If Big Government decides they “need you” for any reason, they control the car. No thanks. Millennials will hopefully wake up. My friends’ kid & his friends have not driven until they turned 18 & decided they really did not want Mom or Dad driving them to the Senior Prom. I think those taxi services will be mainly city oriented but will not be popular in the suburbs & rural areas.Public transportation is gross. Imagine having to wait for a vehicle to lug your groceries for your family. Or needing a truck or SUV to hit up home depot for gardening supplies. No thanks.

          33. Willnot B. Silenced Avatar
            Willnot B. Silenced

            Millenial Sheep…

            “If God didn’t want them sheared, he would not have made them sheep.” – Calvaera, as played by Eli Wallach- The Magnificent Seven, 1960

          34. paulinpittsburgh Avatar
            paulinpittsburgh

            Actually, surveys the companies pushing this technology have done so that only about 20% of the target demographics has any interest in these cars or services.

          35. Not Chicken Little Avatar
            Not Chicken Little

            Please, sheep are way more independent and many are even more intelligent.

          36. HR Puff N Stuff Avatar
            HR Puff N Stuff

            Exactly! Going 4×4 in the desert or enjoying the fun and thrill of mountainous drives in your own car may be what a lot of independent-minded drivers like to do in their spare time. The convenience of an autonomous vehicle service comes with a cost… privacy.

          37. JesusIsGay Avatar
            JesusIsGay

            You prob also go to church

          38. aamericanovice Avatar
            aamericanovice

            Not necessarily. After all, Jesus may be Gay. -:)

          39. Eurobaby Avatar
            Eurobaby

            I’m going to create s religiin to destroy people like you- oh wait – it’s already been done ( sigh)

          40. llewellynh Avatar
            llewellynh

            Part of the plan though is to have us all living in urban environments. Easier to control.

          41. Burnt Orange Avatar
            Burnt Orange

            This will not happen over night but over a generation or two. Cars did not replace horses over night. The transition will occur naturally. Like your grandchildren won’t bother to learn to drive.
            Young people will OT buy an auto for personal use.

            What percentage of teens can even change a flat tire? How many can saddle a horse? times change and things that everyone could do at one time are no longer considered important. Driving a personal vehicle might be one.

          42. INFW Avatar
            INFW

            Except of course….the global elite NWO controllers.
            We “small people” will have no freedom.

          43. Turd Ferguson Avatar
            Turd Ferguson

            Kinda like they teach small children these days they they can choose their gender? Its sick.

          44. Scott Furley Avatar
            Scott Furley

            cars did not replace horses overnight , and filthy little automated public buses covered in the debris of every passenger from earlier in the day will not replace cars overnight. understand?

          45. Veritasortruth Avatar
            Veritasortruth

            When it comes to public transportation in the SF Bay Area, you nailed it. BART and some of the other public transportation services are a cesspool of filth. The stations are a disgrace and now they are becoming dangerous as evidence by the recent string of attacks on passengers. And to top it off, they aren’t as affordable as people make them out to be. The biggest thing BART has going for it is a shortage of parking in many of the places you might want to go. Absent that, I’d never get on the damn thing.

          46. Scott Furley Avatar
            Scott Furley

            Yes good call Veritas. San Francisco is one of the wealthiest, nicest areas of the United States. Yet the BART is very dirty and last week angry young gangland teens stormed on there and took everyones purses. so good luck in Giles Parkinson automatic fleet cars, they will be first dirtied and soiled, then commandeered or ambushed by people wanting to get purses and wallets. i think the future will be self owned cars like volvos and subarus with lots of doorlocks and autotheft devices. also ways to track your kid and track your vehicle.

          47. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            We should all be riding around in flying cars by now, according to the movies, news and articles like this we’ve seen over the years.

          48. Billygoattincan Avatar
            Billygoattincan

            You’re off your rocker.

          49. Burnt Orange Avatar
            Burnt Orange

            So what do you think will happen? Maybe a flying car? Or do you believe we have reached the end of automobile development. No very rich people actually drive their own autos. Many dwellers in big cities don’t even learn to drive.
            Hillary has not driven in over 35 years. Not everyone is so enamored of operating an auto as you might think.

          50. Rasheed White Avatar
            Rasheed White

            Dude , your an idiot. Stop being trendy. This country was founded on owning property, not renting. Go To a third world country if you want to live like that

          51. Taluca Lake Avatar
            Taluca Lake

            The left can’t live with the concept of owning anything.

          52. R_Swift Avatar
            R_Swift

            They want to own what you have though.

          53. Scott Furley Avatar
            Scott Furley

            true nicks dream will not come true. after one day of homeless people and heroin users using these robot fleet cars, they will have to incinerate them as biohazards. they will become filthy little public buses and pet lavatories. i guarantee it, day one.

          54. Snowman 54 Avatar
            Snowman 54

            Good point. We have a good way of life in America. The loons from high-density population countries like India, China, Malaysia, have been conditioned to believe it’s OK to eat bugs, live in sweat-soaked discomfort, settle for far less than their potential. They move here, have trouble adjusting, and want the rest of the country to adapt to them, be like them so they can feel good about themselves. I don’t think that’s the way it works.

            Those that don’t have that problem, soon recognize what a good way of life it is.

          55. aamericanovice Avatar
            aamericanovice

            Those thoughts hold true ion our major cities don’t they? They eat bugs, live in closets then pack into public transportation like sardines. Shudder.

          56. Snowman 54 Avatar
            Snowman 54

            They seem to. They at once cry “where can you make money like this!” and then wail and moan about buying parking for $35,000 on the street, paying $800,000 for a 4-500 sq ft studio. For what? No privacy? No space? Claustrophobic living conditions that barely rise to the level of a large dorm room? For being as “smart” and “savvy” as they believe themselves to be, they forget the first rule of economics. Cash is a medium of exchange. It’s the assets you buy with it that have meaning.

          57. Veritasortruth Avatar
            Veritasortruth

            A good comment and accurate. But the Democrats and other Leftists are intent on bringing in more and more of these folks. These are their future voting constituents. They have been doing this for the past 40 years and have essentially destroyed the republic. I haven’t seen one bit of convincing evidence that we are better off as a nation than what we were 40 years ago. Not one bit. Yes, technology has been great, but that’s about it.

          58. GreyGeek77 Avatar
            GreyGeek77

            @Nick — exaggeration doesn’t help your argument. Not all car owners pay “hundreds of dollars per month” to own and operate their cars. I pay less than $100/mo for the car I own, which I bought new in 2002. It gets 30 mpg in town and 40 mpg on the Interstate.

            Life goes on 24/7/365 and cars should be comparably accessible, even at 2am, for lots of excellent reasons.

            I would love to own an electric car but the currently available models are not affordable for me or most other people. Paying the equivalent of the annual median wage for a car, van or pickup truck is foolish, IMO, but in a free country people have that right and many can justify that expense against alternatives.

            Perhaps in 30-50 years, IF battery technology advances to the point where standard batteries can be recharged or replaced for the same cost, or less, of a tank of gas and give similar carrying capacities and ranges. This will take batteries with 10X the current capacities that are also able to be recharged in under 10 minutes. The Li-Ion battery depends on Lithium. The two major sources of Lithium are China and Bolivia. Even using all the Lithium reserves of those two countries there isn’t enough Lithium to make batteries for 1/3rd of the vehicles in the USA.

            Hydrocarbons have an unbeatable energy density. A better alternative, IMO, is to sequester CO2 from the Atmosphere. Algae farms can capture CO2 and generate fuel oils using solar radiation, even during cloudy days. That way we would be recycling the Carbon in our hydrocarbon fuels.

          59. INFW Avatar
            INFW

            Hey moron, what about people who have children and grandchildren out of state? You think everyone flies everywhere? Only the global NWO controllers will have the mobility and freedom we have now. WAKE UP. Its called Agenda 21 “sustainable development.”

          60. qb Avatar
            qb

            Why are the economics going to be that much better for a fleet owner than a private owner? I understand the economy of scale argument. I also understand that when John Q American wants to go somewhere he isn’tgoing to be willing to wait for a car to show up. There are places in rural America that this concept will never work . The miles would effectively double for the autonomous fleet vehicle.

          61. Scott Furley Avatar
            Scott Furley

            qb youre correct, the economics lead us in the other direction

          62. Steven Foster Avatar
            Steven Foster

            They won’t. Localities would pile taxes on these companies like they do any other business. And insurance on passenger carrying vehicles is extremely high. The only reason uber works is cause 90% of their drivers don’t tell their insurers they work for uber

          63. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            Thanks Turd. I’m going to keep that link handy for all the “Nicks” I run into online.

          64. TexasTeaFinder Avatar
            TexasTeaFinder

            Not really, They will end up making it illegal to drive because that’s pretty much the only way the scheme will work.

          65. Mike Betts Avatar
            Mike Betts

            One possible way the ‘progressives’ would do that is to build ‘autonomous only’ roads. They will happily steal our tax dollars to do it but will not allow us to drive our old fashioned cars on them. We see glimpses of this already with the ‘bus only’ lanes. These lanes in my area are mainly empty. And the buses that use them are carrying three or four passengers. Yet I cannot drive in that lane. My tax dollars helped to build that friggin road.

          66. TexasTeaFinder Avatar
            TexasTeaFinder

            It’s insanity. I can definitely see a good old fashioned tax revolt getting the attention of those in State Houses and DC. Of course, when they force “digital only” currency on us, that is iff the table …. probably why they want to get that pushed through so quickly.

          67. Count Chocula Avatar
            Count Chocula

            You are the only person in this thread who gets it. Everyone else is a god damn moron. They have no idea how fast and hard artificial intelligence is going to upend the economy.

          68. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            What use would a car, autonomous or not, be if your dream of an upended economy comes true? I would rather have enough control over my own life to make a life for myself, regardless of what the economy has done for the rest of the sheep.

          69. Garrai Avatar
            Garrai

            And the AI crowd has been making that same prediction for fifty years. Artificial Intelligence, six decades of parlour tricks and not much to show for the billions spent. Here’s a hint for you Chocula, the human mind is not a machine, and it cannot be simulated using a machine, no matter how complex they make it.

          70. Veritasortruth Avatar
            Veritasortruth

            Guess you didn’t see the news today. And it’s more than just artificial intelligence. It’s the sensor technology without which artificial intelligence doesn’t mean that much.

          71. Daystrom2012 Avatar
            Daystrom2012

            Stick it up your rear…that’s spelled R E A R. You don’t get it, but have fun following your utopian one world dream, the new Babel.

          72. incognito Avatar
            incognito

            Typical liberal elitism. You do admit that the ultimate goal is to take away the freedom of movement by making it so expensive that only the rich elite will be able to take a drive anywhere they want at anytime that they want to.

          73. Scott Furley Avatar
            Scott Furley

            Nick, i think you dont get it. nobody will want some filthy automated car that some person just used as homeless shelter, bathroom and needle shoot up area. at least in buses you have a driver who tells homeless people and alcoholics to get out every few hours. i guess you have not ridden public transportation lately.

          74. CurlyDave Avatar
            CurlyDave

            Actually I want my own automated car. Not one that has been used for all kinds of disgusting things previously.

            I tell it to come get me at home and it wakes up from wherever it lives and comes to my house. Takes me where I want to go, and then drives itself to the recharge/parking facility. Then I call it up again when I want to go back.

            As I get older, I don’t want someone else telling me when to stop driving — I want a car that can drive itself.

            And, at the end of each day it permanently wipes its memory of where it has been. I don’t need big brother knowing that.

            This is the kind of thing I could learn to love.

          75. Dragonborn Avatar
            Dragonborn

            Except that I would still have a garage for it! It would just be automated, but mine. Not some yukky used piece of public transportation. Self-driving cars are one thing, taxi services are another. Self-driving, individually owned vehicles is where the market is especially with us baby boomers beginning to hit retirement. Own your own vehicle as eyesight may become poor. Still retain your ownership and independence. I agree with you!

          76. aamericanovice Avatar
            aamericanovice

            Not so strange. I have an attached two car garage. We could keep the autonomous car in there much like I keep our current cars in there.

            That concept might seem strange to a city dweller though. Sorry.

          77. Jeff Hamilton Avatar
            Jeff Hamilton

            “At the end of each day it permanently wipes its memory of where it has been” ????

          78. Little Cheese Avatar
            Little Cheese

            No paranoia here, but yes while uber has been a game changer for some, it is folly to think all will abandon cars. I drive 45 miles to work, one way. Lets say i decide to hit home depot, grocery store and restaurant on the way home. Where do in-store my purchased tool while I buy groceries. Where do I store tools and groceries while I eat out? Plus I’ve got my big ass briefcase. Just isn’t practical. And if you have to own a car some ofnthe month for times like this you are going to Get the most out of this car instead of paying some other company to cart you around, at 2-4 times the rates during rush hour. Plus id like to leave the restaurant or store when I’m ready, not when my car shows up. Where I live uber can take 15 minutes or more to arrive. What makes you think someone will invest in thousands of autonomous cars to serve the thousands who live just in my neighnorhood? Not gonna happen

          79. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            Oh my. So much intolerance and hate! You should seek some sort of publicly-available counseling.

          80. jn jac Avatar
            jn jac

            Fk you Nicky

          81. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            Nick. You forgot to type your screed in ALL CAPS as a warning to everyone.

          82. Snowman 54 Avatar
            Snowman 54

            Lots of speculation in your justification. We were, by all accounts, supposed to be paying 5 bucks a gallon plus for gas by now (outside of the city-states like Chicago, New York, LA, where you already do). And narrow minded, rather like the article author, who assumes we all live in, and want to live in, cramped, crowded apartment structures where on a good day you can smell your neighbors armpits. Not every one wants to be urbanized. In fact. It isn’t even healthy. Gimmeh my car pleeze.

          83. Steve_o Avatar
            Steve_o

            Why do liberals always have to add an insult to a comment? Perhaps they have a lack of confidence in their ideas.

          84. 9eyedeel Avatar
            9eyedeel

            poor martyr Nick, has to spell things out, and yet still is unimpressive, awww

          85. Jim Hoffmann Avatar
            Jim Hoffmann

            This lengthy and long-winded answer indicates you have far too much time on your hands. Dem, perhaps? Enjoy a laugh for once: jvhoffmannjr.blogspot.com.

          86. shannon henderson Avatar
            shannon henderson

            That was one person that didn’t read the article. Why don’t you chill out and stop judging all of us into one group.

          87. Bill Thrower Avatar
            Bill Thrower

            You have those options now you dope. Uber, taxis, mass transit etc… Yet the number of cars keeps increasing.
            And don’t forget things start out voluntary then get mandated later. How many articles have we already seen saying the problem getting driver less cars is other drivers?

            Stage is already being set to use this as an excuse to force this on people.

          88. Janet Noll Avatar
            Janet Noll

            it will start in Europe and then come to California and then the rest of the US will give it the middle finger because we are not mindless followers like the liberal elite pigs are.

          89. aamericanovice Avatar
            aamericanovice

            Nick. I am guessing you are a city dweller. Tough to find a parking space in front of your little condo or apartment then even worse getting a space at work. That being just down the street.

            There is another world we need you to learn about. A world where there is no bus or train to take you to the nearest store 5 miles from your home. No train line nor bus going toward where you work in any direction 15-20 miles from your home.

            This article is just another example of liberals not being able to conceptualized numbers. Sad shame.

          90. ChargerBinks Avatar
            ChargerBinks

            Well we were supposed to be saving $2500 a month on our health insurance but that turned out to be a lie

          91. Bob Avatar
            Bob

            Nothing like getting a car someone else puked on jerked off in ..

          92. Bunky Avatar
            Bunky

            You mean like your loud uncompromising opinion?

          93. Colleen Egan Avatar
            Colleen Egan

            Nick, you forget that there are many people out there older than you that enjoy owning cars, driving cars, restoring cars and using cars/trucks/tractors/semis to make a living hauling things, plowing things, lifting things etc. The “other people” you refer to are CITY people which as we now know, is clearly not the majority of this country. Just the coasts and only big city people think like you do. Please, open your own mind. Look past your millenial block and uber ride. We don’t prefer to avoid those expenses and buy other things now or in the future. We don’t want to ride the bus or Uber with people like you either. I’ll keep my 1970 Corvette and wave as your autonomous robot car goes by.

          94. gman2 Avatar
            gman2

            Hey idiot are you saying the opinions are not valid?

          95. outinoz Avatar
            outinoz

            Nick, nice comment… you managed to take the Lord’s name in vain, and resort to name calling in just one post. I recognize a liberal when I see one.

          96. CVN65 Avatar
            CVN65

            Sure. The article makes sense to young singletons living in/near cities that need a ride to work and then again home at night. That’s not most of us. Those of us in rural/far suburbs and with kids need a vehicle multiple times a day and many multiple times over the weekend. Many people need vehicles that carry six or more people. Many people need vehicles with either large interior storage or exterior storage. Lots of people have things to tow- boats, trailers, cars, mowers. This sort of scheme works for one narrow demographic.

          97. greggreen29 Avatar
            greggreen29

            This is more wishful thinking than rational thinking. Leftists have been tying to get people out of cars and suburbs for forty years. Leftists just don’t understand human nature. Most of the world is not like NYC. Most of NY is not like NYC.

          98. Sane Responder Avatar
            Sane Responder

            Oh, to be liberal and so much smarter than everyone else!

          99. Caligula Avatar
            Caligula

            Are you in the automotive business? I am, and have been for almost 30 years. Just about every “prediction” has not come to fruition, and almost nobody predicted in 1993 that GM would be bankrupt in 2009 and need a tax payer bail out. I also remember that by now we should have all been driving SMC (plastic) or all aluminum vehicles. While there are plastic body parts (bumpers) and Ford uses an aluminum alloy on their trucks, the overwhelmingly majority of cars are still made out of steel. But, go hang your hat on the assumptions in this article. Put your money where your mouth is since you’re such a know it all.

          100. paulinpittsburgh Avatar
            paulinpittsburgh

            If economics were the driving force behind owning a car, it’s not and that’s why it this concept will fail, just as public transportation has and for the very same reasons.

            The only people likely to embrace this concept are those who currently use public transportation and don’t own a car already. Mostly in high density urban areas.

            Ain’t no large number of Suburban families giving up the Navigator or F-150 to be carted around in some electric crap box.

          101. johnparker237 Avatar
            johnparker237

            And you appear to have completely missed the point he tried to make, which is 100% valid: the decision about whether to own a car or not is not determined solely by economic criteria. For example, in rural areas not owning a vehicle could cost you your life if you have an injured family member – they could die while you’re waiting for your high tech electronic transportation capsule to appear.

            Not everyone is a supercilious nose-ringed urban hipster and part of the reason the general population dislikes people like that, is because they incorrectly assume that the entire population shares their opinions and priorities. Personally I have used a personal gas-driven vehicle for much of my life but at other times used public transportation for years at a time, so I am not ideological about this, both modes have pluses and minuses. But I am an adult, and just as I prefer to make my own decisions about issues like car ownership, I also grant to other adults the same right. What exactly gives so called progressives the right to lord it over everyone else and make all their decisions for them?

          102. Stev Avatar
            Stev

            A lot of people love cars. Personal cars may be a novelty but I will probably have one that I purchase for cash because certain ones are beautiful. That doesn’t mean I won’t use autonomous vehicles 90-95% of the time. People today have cars they seldom or never drive and that won’t change

          103. moosemiester Avatar
            moosemiester

            If it happens as a result of Market Forces it’s a good thing, but if it’s legislated into existence by imposing taxes it won’t fly, elections have consequences.

          104. fcabanski Avatar
            fcabanski

            You’re not paying attention. The Drudge people, BTW, are the adults in the room. People won’t choose this. It will be chosen for them. The purpose of this isn’t better travel. It’s control over travel.

          105. El_Tigre_Loco Avatar
            El_Tigre_Loco

            FACT: Batteries don’t work well in cold weather.

          106. Nick Avatar
            Nick

            Will that still be a fact in 2030? I’m afraid you don’t know. Embrace humility.

          107. INFW Avatar
            INFW

            They will FORCE people into them by RAISED ins. rates moron. Just like taxation is used for. To tax is to control. An example is…to get people to quit smoking THEY RAISE THE CIGARETTE TAX. Agenda 21. Also in case you haven’t noticed. Many so called news articles do not allow the comment section anymore. Why???? Because others are LEARNING the truth that is not being told by Main stream telepromting reading media. I dare you…watch any of the 4 or 5 so called news outlets, they all have the same talking points. Limbaugh and Hannity played back to back clips of one news story and the main talking points were verbatim. The problem, most people watch only ONE news outlet and do not switch to see what others are saying. Govt television PROGRAMMING.

          108. Nick Avatar
            Nick

            LoL. You won’t be forced into anything, you paranoid retard. Markets and risk control insurance rates.

        4. Taluca Lake Avatar
          Taluca Lake

          Not if the Democrats get any power. They’re smarter than any of us so they’ll tell us if and when we need a car.

          1. cyberdove Avatar
            cyberdove

            Dems are Left Supremacists. A new “master race”.

          2. Taluca Lake Avatar
            Taluca Lake

            Ja wol!

          3. roner Avatar
            roner

            THEY, of course, will always “need” a caravan of cars and private jets, because THEIR work is VERY important!!

        5. tony tyler Avatar
          tony tyler

          I agree.. most of us are not sheep. we still have free will and choose where we want to go when we want to go.. we are not property of the united nations..

          1. aamericanovice Avatar
            aamericanovice

            Not exactly what the Hague thinks about you friend.

          2. llewellynh Avatar
            llewellynh

            Good example is that both Italy and Germany are taking away empty houses and hotels and rehabbing them and giving them to the new migrants. They don’t even pay the people they are taking homes from.

          3. John C Avatar
            John C

            Yeah, war is coming and it will be ugly. In the end they will lose.

          4. Monty Simmons Avatar
            Monty Simmons

            Keep saying that – the more such has to be said the less it is true.

          5. obamistake Avatar
            obamistake

            Despite the utopian dreams of liberals.

          6. mary_podlesak Avatar
            mary_podlesak

            Not yet.

          7. PickyWizard Avatar
            PickyWizard

            ‘We are not the property of the united nations’

            Not yet……….better buy ammo while ya can

          8. mycrossroads Avatar
            mycrossroads

            Amen Tony. Free will prevails. Keep the Faith

        6. Dan-in-IN Avatar
          Dan-in-IN

          And then hope the car that shows up isn’t vomit filled or littered with someone’s other various wastes, especially since you mention 2 am. What do you do when the ride shows up with nasty in it because the computer running it can’t smell or see that it needs a cleanup.

        7. shannon henderson Avatar
          shannon henderson

          AMEN!

        8. DF Avatar
          DF

          The cost of car insurance will sky-rocket for those who want autonomous vehicles, once the insurance companies figure out self-driving cars are safer and cause fewer accidents. Yes, they’d be very, very happy to sell overpriced insurance to the last few holdouts who savor the freedom to drink and drive! 40 years ago, cars rarely had seat belts and never an airbag. The insurance companies wagged the dog on that one and slowly will do the same with autonomous cars.

          1. Caligula Avatar
            Caligula

            Are you in the automotive business? Federal regulations and consumer requirements have more to do with how passenger vehicles are built today, not automotive insurance. Sure, insurance has some influence, but to a much lesser degree.

          2. York Avatar
            York

            Autonomous cars are death traps. I have used computers since the 80’s and the one thing I have found to be true with computers is that they will ALL and I mean ALL crash for no apparent reason doing the same task that they had done before hundred if not thousands of times before. Like the random crashing of Windows that most people have experienced at one time or another… Only when a car is traveling 60mph and it the computer that is driving it crashes you don’t just see the blue screen of death you see a car crashing off a cliff, running across the center line head on into a truck or barreling off the road into a ditch.

            Sorry but computers are no where near the place they need to be for them to be in control of a car.

          3. Bryan Lynn Avatar
            Bryan Lynn

            Agreed. I have been testing software for 20 years, and there is always a bug someone did find!!!

          4. Kevin Lane Avatar
            Kevin Lane

            or 1,000

          5. OPDave Avatar
            OPDave

            I have been in the computer industry 50+ years, and there is no way I would ever let a computer, especially with a fragile toy operating system like Windows, guide my car. Even the best and most robust industrial operating systems require a human supervisor in order to avoid catastrophies.

            Through experience, I know that whenever you hear someone alleging that “nothing can go wrong,” you should run to the nearest shelter.

          6. Dumpster Avatar
            Dumpster

            Those that want this are either really ignorant or out to make a buck.

          7. izzyeddy Avatar
            izzyeddy

            All it takes is one bored hacker, any tech can tell you there’s no such thing as a hack proof computer.

          8. John C Avatar
            John C

            The only computer that is hack proof is one that is not attached to any network, intranet, internet, WiFi or any other way it can be reached. It would have to be completely isolated.

          9. PickyWizard Avatar
            PickyWizard

            Still vulnerable to EMP unless u got a faraday cage

          10. John C Avatar
            John C

            Yes but we are discussing hacks here, not EMPs. EMPs will or can take out a lot more than just computers it can take out most modern electrical devices, especially devices which have microchips because they are very susceptible to electrical current surges/ spikes.

          11. INFW Avatar
            INFW

            They are run via satelite. Is that hackable?

          12. John C Avatar
            John C

            Of course it is hackable, any computer that is not a closed system, any Computer that exchanges data from outside of itself is hackable. An intranet which no outside source has access to would be a closed system and safe but if anyone can get to a link in the system that too can be hacked. A Satellite is just a wireless connection, so it is hackable.

          13. INFW Avatar
            INFW

            They are run via satelite. I don’t know if that is hackable???? Anyone know?

          14. El_Tigre_Loco Avatar
            El_Tigre_Loco

            I agree. However, they do control aircraft.

          15. York Avatar
            York

            Yes they control air craft but then aircraft also have double redundancy systems and the fact that a pilot is always sitting behind the controls in case something goes wrong… That’s not the plan for autonomous cars, they are planning on basically taking the pilots out of the equation completely…. that’s the worst idea of all.

          16. Georgethehistorywonk Avatar
            Georgethehistorywonk

            Let’s also add to the “fun” possibilities computers being hacked and a solar flare hitting the earth and frying everything electrical. The last time we had a big solar flare hitting the earth was prior to the Civil War, when the only thing we had that was electrical was the telegraph. Today that sort of flare would fry computers, bring down the electric grid, and slam us back technology-wise to about 1830 – without whale oil lamps, steam locomotives, and plenty of horses to ease the shock.

          17. Veritasortruth Avatar
            Veritasortruth

            Most intelligent comment I have read on this site, and perhaps one of the most intelligent I’ve read on the subject of self-driving cars. I’m with you. I’ve also used and worked with computers over the past 30 years (has it been that long?), and have had my computers crash many, many times for no apparent reasons. It just happened to my home computer last night.

          18. Abroche Su Cinturon Avatar
            Abroche Su Cinturon

            Ha – and when it’s time for you to finally exit this planet – at least in the eyes of our all-knowing masters – they can easily hack your morning trip to the grocery into a final and fiery exit or perhaps a locked car ride to your mercy killing site.

          19. paulinpittsburgh Avatar
            paulinpittsburgh

            Except they won’t be the last few of anything, they’ll norm just as they are today, just as they will be for the foreseeable future.

            It won’t matter what sort of financial burden anyone tries to implement to force the change, people will adsorb it … just as $6-8 a gallon gasoline didn’t drive more people to rely on public transportation and drive people out of the suburbs back into the cities as these same nit-wits predicted it would.

            Driving and owning a car is not strictly a utilitarian concept as the tech fascists behind these companies seem to believe and cost in only one small component. People like their cars from the status they project to the freedom they offer and very few people will choose to give them up so Eric Schmidt, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and mark Zuckerberg can tell them where to go, when they can go and keep them under surveillance whole they’re going in the shared filth and grime of untold number of rider before them.

            If anyone who owns a car was interested in traveling this way public transportation would be utilized to a far greater extent and wouldn’t need the heavy subsidies it does.

            These concept have virtually all the problems that public transportation does and the public has rejected it resoundingly as they will this.

          20. Michael Woods Avatar
            Michael Woods

            GREAT and well reasoned comment!!

          21. Veritasortruth Avatar
            Veritasortruth

            If you think that self driving cars will be safer you are sadly mistaken. As soon as people start to get killed by self driving cars, the trial lawyers will shut down the industry. BTW, drinking and driving is WAY down. It’s down so much that many in government, want to lower the blood alcohol content. They want the revenue.

          22. El_Tigre_Loco Avatar
            El_Tigre_Loco

            “self-driving cars are safer and cause fewer accidents”
            Well, they are not off to a good start.

          23. malonetax Avatar
            malonetax

            Insurance will likely decrease as the old folks who can’t drive and the few people who are very bad drivers will opt for the autodrivers. So insurance and accidents will decrease dramatically.

        9. Joe Lizak Avatar
          Joe Lizak

          Nice.

        10. TwinCitiesEast Avatar
          TwinCitiesEast

          And have it tracked. The thing will probably monitor your blood level and refuse to stop at the store so you can get a candy bar LOL.

        11. David Michael Avatar
          David Michael

          Right, at 2 am I might need more cigarettes and beer and no way to get to the convenience store

        12. LouAnnWatson Avatar
          LouAnnWatson

          freakin socialist propellerheads…first, rich people aren’t going to dial up a car that’s like a taxi cab. autonomous cars won’t work in rural areas because they’d be too far away from most customers to be effective. it’s just more pipe dreams. fyi…windmills only make up ,46% percent of global power needs. there’s a wonderful prediction already gone to hell

        13. Chuck Roost Avatar
          Chuck Roost

          Ob*ma was un-American, but he did a tremendous amount of damage to the American Way of Life during his reign.

      3. wikileafs Avatar
        wikileafs

        The Government is now a major propaganda machine. They use the media to test and try to convince us of their social control plans.

      4. obamistake Avatar
        obamistake

        Well, consider the source: Giles Parkinson? Definitely a liberal name if ever there was.

      5. David_in_NW_La Avatar
        David_in_NW_La

        Ha ha! Remember a few years back when the Segway was going to revolutionize urban transportation? Yeah, right.

    2. CRAPPY CHANGE Avatar
      CRAPPY CHANGE

      Won’t be the case in 13 years much less a 100 years. If it ever became cost prohibitive to own a car, the public would start buying fuel efficient motorcycles in mass like they do in China. This is looney liberalism on display with their ecofanatism. I like how they acknowledge their bias by making sure they point out that it is all “economics” at play in their projections. So in as little as 13 years, Americans will lose all interest mobile independence as adults and will demand to be driven around like small dependent children. These pencil pushing theorists tend to be adult-aged children themselves and seem to be projecting their own infantile delusions than sound theory.

      1. City_Of_Champyinz Avatar
        City_Of_Champyinz

        Agreed, this is horse excrement. I love my Jeep, love to go off roading, and will own her for as long as I live.

      2. 1sttexan49 Avatar
        1sttexan49

        One thing. ALL the car companies are gearing up for this very scenario. They are putting billions into it.The subject consumes every issue of my car magazines.Like it or not? It’s coming.

        1. DooDooMcGhee Avatar

          What magazines are you reading? Green Cars?

        2. DStuff Avatar
          DStuff

          It’s only coming if the cars sell. How did that whole Government mandated “all cars will be electric” work for the Volt?

          1. Taluca Lake Avatar
            Taluca Lake

            No problem – if your destination is <50 miles round trip.

          2. cosmicwxdude Avatar
            cosmicwxdude

            And it’s not snowing or icing.

        3. bstoff Avatar
          bstoff

          Nope. You need to broaden your horizons. Don’t speak in absolutes, you will end up absolutely wrong.

      3. Gilligan Jones Avatar
        Gilligan Jones

        …not to mention the push back from other industries that will stretch their vision well into 2075 or later. And…ironically…I would love this technology. I am genetically epileptic, was not diagnosed till I was 49 years old… (when I was told that I had been enduring “unobserved seizures” my entire life)…and drove off a 200 foot cliff at 70 mph….(of which, I recall nothing). So I no longer drive..and even tried asking Medicare if they would cover the cost of a self-driving car…as a “medical device”. I thought they would laugh at me…but the Medicare Representative…took me seriously and tried to look up an appropriate code! So I think a portion of their vision will slowly develop…but not in the way they think it will. Their theory leaves out human motivation, which is the chink in their control-based-armor….

        1. bstoff Avatar
          bstoff

          human motivation, in their eyes, could easily be at the end of a gun barrel.

        2. Evil Otto Avatar
          Evil Otto

          Exactly. There’s a place for this, but not as the overwhelming thing that the author paints it as. I work with people who, due to disability, can’t drive. Ever. I’ve even been in the unfortunate position of having to inform teenagers that they would never be allowed to drive due to their conditions. Not a fun thing to have to tell them, because they want to be like their peers so badly. Self-driving cars offer mobility to people who lose it otherwise… but the control-freak dream of everyone giving up their cars? Not going to happen, especially in the USA.

      4. fcabanski Avatar
        fcabanski

        We’ll demand to wait for a car to collect us. And if we’re good, the car will take us to where the government allows us to go. We’re going to love that.

      5. GreyGeek77 Avatar
        GreyGeek77

        “ecofanaticism” = ecofascism. There, fixed that for ya.

    3. JDH Avatar
      JDH

      You are forgetting the “snowflakes”!!

    4. edbarbar Avatar
      edbarbar

      Yeah, people are going to share a driver-less car with the local hooker and heroin addicts. Not going to happen.

      1. BigDaddyJim Avatar
        BigDaddyJim

        Johnnycabs.

    5. Nick Avatar
      Nick

      It’s probably unlikely but before you confidently pronounce judgment consider that Facebook is only 13 years old and Google less than 20.

      1. Jack Bauer Avatar
        Jack Bauer

        Uhh so?

        1. Nick Avatar
          Nick

          The point is that change can, and does, happen fast and unforeseen. Christ, need to spell everything out for you drudgetarded twats.

          1. Saknussemm Avatar
            Saknussemm

            Yup. You changed into a troll at puberty.

          2. Okie_Vet Avatar
            Okie_Vet

            change like you’re talking about happens generally through 1 of 2 ways, either through necessity such as war or because someone sees a profit to be made. Many of the 20th century’s greatest leaps forward, such as aerodynamics and jet propulsion were because of warfare. Automobiles, well someone saw a profit to be made. Did you know that there have been over 1,800 car manufacturers in the U.S. since the birth of the automobile?

          3. PoliSike Avatar
            PoliSike

            Is it beyond your ability to express yourself without the hatefilled attitude?

          4. paganpink Avatar
            paganpink

            Hating is out! Time to change, libtard wanker!

          5. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            His intolerance is triggering me. I may need a safe space.

          6. jack nichols Avatar
            jack nichols

            Using the Lords name in vane

          7. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            How many appletinis are you up to at this point, Nick? Please, please, type in ALL CAPS so we will know not to read your hate-filled ad-hominim attacks.

      2. Okie_Vet Avatar
        Okie_Vet

        Google and Facebook are child’s play compared to this.

      3. PoliSike Avatar
        PoliSike

        Finally, Nick, a comment that is a bit snarky but at least not as hate filled. Congratulations!

        1. bstoff Avatar
          bstoff

          Give him time.

      4. bstoff Avatar
        bstoff

        Google and Facebook are both servants of the government and corporations, and they work against the interest of individuals and the general public. They do not serve the public and they have a monopoly on your personal information. That should tell you something about your utopian future with self driving cars for the masses replacing private transportation.

    6. Larry Matters Avatar
      Larry Matters

      Did you hear what the Railroads said to the Airlines?
      …the same thing the “Beta-tape” said to the VHS-tape … who repeated it to the DVD ->

      “LOL yeah right…Anyone who thinks this will be the case in 13 years is loony..”

      Payphones said it to cell phones also.
      …and horse-drawn-carriages to horseless-carriages;

      …get the picture?

      …slide rulers to pocket calculators to ipads & iphones …

      1. Casey Kowalchyk Avatar
        Casey Kowalchyk

        Why is there so much vinyl for sale right now? Shouldn’t that have stayed dead?

        1. Dick Fantastic Avatar
          Dick Fantastic

          I appreciate the artwork and there is nothing quite like a stack of records, you feel like you really own something. Each album has its own story. However, as an audio format, IMO it is junk.

      2. fustian24 Avatar
        fustian24

        Yeah.

        So where’s the flying cars?

        Those were promised too.

        Getting part of the way to a self-driving car is relatively easy. But a real self-driving car has to KNOW so many things. What a ball looks like rolling out into a street. What old people crossing a street looks like and means to a driver. This requires the AI revolution we were promised and have not seen yet. Which means these are empty promises.

    7. gadfly522 Avatar
      gadfly522

      Same amount of time that it took for the 35mm film camera to go away. 13 years or 23 years the hand writing is on the wall, digital wall that is.

    8. INFW Avatar
      INFW

      Its part of Agenda 21 and Agenda 30 that many have been warning about. Ins. will raise rates to make cars unaffordable to drive. We are losing our freedom. What about traveling out of state to visit relatives and children? Look up Georgia guidestones. They are replacing humans with robots. They don’t need us.

    9. shannon henderson Avatar
      shannon henderson

      It’s actually worse, I think. Did you see the graph? It says around 2024, 7 years from now, that there will be almost no individual car sales. That is ridiculous.

    10. way2confused Avatar
      way2confused

      But it is the dream of the left so they can further control us. Soon one of these loons will think it is a good idea to put ankle monitors with hearing devices on all citizens.

    11. nsirchov Avatar
      nsirchov

      Instead of autonomous cars, how about robot politicians, ya know, ones that don’t lie and steal. You will be doing mankind a much greater favor by doing that.

    12. aamericanovice Avatar
      aamericanovice

      Here comes the Jetsons.

    13. JesusIsGay Avatar
      JesusIsGay

      It’s real old man

      1. ChargerBinks Avatar
        ChargerBinks

        Of course someone with a name like yours is to be taken seriously

      2. not having much fun Avatar
        not having much fun

        Why would you dismiss his point because he is an ‘OLD MAN’ in your view? Wisdom comes with age, if at all, and the youth do not have any, it takes time. 13 Years is a blink of an eye, and there will certainly be private ownership in 13 years or 20, or 25. You forget the Car collectors too!

    14. Iminurbase Avatar
      Iminurbase

      The reason you’re seeing this article is because this is what the “elites” want, they use media for “predictive programming” they will end individual’s right to roam freely under the guise of “climate change” this benefits manufactures to have massive “renters” no more ownership.

      Only you can resist and change this, this article is the beginnings of their plan, so resist or succumb to their plan. Agenda 2030 is real, it used to be “Agenda 21” now it’s 2030.

    15. roner Avatar
      roner

      Obviously written by city dwellers….

    16. Red47 Jesus in a Che Shirt Avatar
      Red47 Jesus in a Che Shirt

      I am not sure how to stop it. From Bloomberg, “A single autonomous car can generate the same data trove as 3,000 people surfing the internet”. It looks as though corporations will be forcing is to ride around in other people’s old tissues and french fries ????.

    17. Macranthunter Avatar
      Macranthunter

      My car is my office, workshop, go van. It’s how I get my gear to my client. It’s how I work and create. It’s not a means to get Starbucks – it’s how I live.

      1. TexasTeaFinder Avatar
        TexasTeaFinder

        You won’t have to give up your van, you’l just have to lease a self-driving autonomous van. Do I agree with this BS? Absolutely not, but it’s coming.

    18. JustSomeGuy Avatar
      JustSomeGuy

      Yes. Like disposable paper clothes, communism and several other ‘inevitable’ trends, once you add human nature, it falls apart.
      Might get some traction (no pun intended) in major metros. But then, they already have an autonomous fleet there. I believe they’re called…taxicabs? And yet people still own their own cars in the city.
      File this one next to underwater cities and global warming, guys. Not. Happening.

    19. rlwieneke Avatar
      rlwieneke

      the insurance companies are all in with this and have stated they will make insurance for privately owned vehicles un-affordable. Why? the general consensus is that driver-less vehicles will not speed, will not run traffic lights and stop signs, will not cause accidents.

      1. TexasTeaFinder Avatar
        TexasTeaFinder

        Correct.

    20. SpinMax Avatar
      SpinMax

      The flying car is right around the corner!!! – Popular Mechanics 1960, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65…..2014,15,16,17…

    21. TheCultureWarriors Avatar
      TheCultureWarriors

      I think this is the same person who said cars will drive themselves in 5 years. What is scary is that people with this level of utter and profound stupidity could possibly vote.

    22. alanb Avatar
      alanb

      Hey, its “a study.” I must be true. I wonder what they studied to make this prediction. Clearly not human nature. I recall a study sometime in the 1960s that predicted that most people would have telephones in their homes (you know, the kind wired to the wall) that people could see each other on within ten years. Hmmmmm. I can’t recall that happening. It’s possible the technology existed, but people had no desire to have people see them in whatever state they happened to be answering a phone. I’d guess “the overwhelming majority of people” are not going to want any part of this in 13 years. Hey, can I call this post “a new study” and get it reported?

    23. ColBatguano Avatar
      ColBatguano

      Yes, like the 40 yr old dream of everyone owning a flying car, this is total BS. I’ve written software for automotive embedded modules for the last 30 years; engine controls, safety critical, etc. I can tell you that so-called “autonomous” vehicles will simply NOT be safe enough. I know how the sausage is made, and I know the cost sensitivity of automotive electronics. Automotive electronics are NOT made to the standards of avionics systems. The autonomous stuff is a pipe dream, it will never be safe or cheap enough to put on a huge number of vehicles. People like to be free, free to do what they want when they want to. Their desire for automobiles reflects that desire for freedom. People who are pushing this theory that cars will be “on-demand” are missing the demands of the market.

    24. madmatt5 Avatar
      madmatt5

      Those loony New Yorkers went from horses to cars in about 13 years, and that was over a century ago. http://www.businessinsider.com/5th-ave-1900-vs-1913-2011-3

      The economics alone make it a no brainer. Add in increased safety, better air quality, mobility for underserved populations (blind, elderly, etc), and it becomes a total slam dunk. Personally, I can’t wait!

      I get it, change is scary, but this is absolutely happening… and FAST.

      1. John C Avatar
        John C

        Nonsense, people will not want to give up their ability to travel freely. While Self driving vehicles may indeed grow in numbers, if they can perfect it to an acceptable safety level, many of those will be privately owned.

    25. OPDave Avatar
      OPDave

      The same people who ignore the freedom advantage of personal cars probably also believe that voluntary slavery is becoming popular.

    26. LazarusRose Avatar
      LazarusRose

      Weren’t we supposed to be in our own flying cars by now? “If you can imagine it, you can have it.” The devil’s own words.

    27. XUSAMABO Avatar
      XUSAMABO

      They’ve been telling us for years that they wanted us to pay for software by the unit of time rather than selling us a lifetime license. That model never caught on either.

    28. Mike Lebowski Avatar
      Mike Lebowski

      I do think that in 13 years you will see this taking over in major cities. I absolutely see this happening eventually. The cost of solar vs, coal now is an example.

    29. Thunder Lizard Avatar
      Thunder Lizard

      How many ‘predictions’ about the future have never panned out? Plenty!

    30. Antony Day Avatar
      Antony Day

      It took 13 years for cars to displace horses… don’t be so sure.

  25. KORGG Avatar
    KORGG

    I will own one , because I like to travel wherever and whenever I want. I will also continue to own an older model that cannot be tracked by gps.

    1. Ellis Avatar
      Ellis

      “Comrade, you do not share the populist ideology…..what will it take to convince you? ” ” resistance is futile!”

      1. D_Allen Avatar
        D_Allen

        I’ll give up my truck when you pry it from my cold, dead @ss.

        1. theoldnorth Avatar
          theoldnorth

          Your truck is in your @ss?

      2. ezrvs1 Avatar
        ezrvs1

        Exactly

    2. jayrizzy Avatar
      jayrizzy

      But will you be able to drive it legally? Insurance is going to skyrocket once autonomous cars are the norm.

      1. Palace Dog Avatar
        Palace Dog

        If the democrats are running the show, capitol punishment might be the penalty for driving a car.

        1. American Avatar
          American

          “…before the motor law.”
          https://youtu.be/PjjNvjURS-s

          1. David Rodolff Avatar
            David Rodolff

            Spot on. Good one.

          2. Kasper Avatar
            Kasper

            RUSH Rules

          3. thebigleone Avatar
            thebigleone

            Nah, it’s all about Rush and the useful idiots that still listen to Rush. I used to listen, but moved on. Rush is passé. 25,000,000.00 a year thanks to you Rushbots.

          4. Pat Patterson Avatar
            Pat Patterson

            You are full of leftist shiite and a commie loving stooge!

          5. Kasper Avatar
            Kasper

            What did you move on to , Backstreet Boys?

          6. bstoff Avatar
            bstoff

            Rush, the band, not the radio pundit. Red Barchetta is the song being referred to. You gave me a good chuckle, though.

        2. John Doe Avatar
          John Doe

          Kidding me right. My state is a Liberal shit hole. They have stopped all executions. Some families waiting decades for justice. Now being denied by the Democrat Progs.

          1. Mina Avatar
            Mina

            We have the freedom to move to states that are not st holes.

          2. John Doe Avatar
            John Doe

            I guess. That’s the chicken shit way out. Stay and fight. Move to a good State and the Progs that are employed and over taxed leave their shit holes and go to good States. Ruining it for us all. It wasn’t always a shit hole. I’m going to stay and fight!

      2. glamdeluxe Avatar
        glamdeluxe

        Less drivers on the road dequals lower rates.

      3. jtom Avatar
        jtom

        Autonomous cars will not become the norm in our lifetimes. I could take you on a ten-mile aternoon drive here on any day, and point out a half-dozen different situations which such a car could not handle. The lane closure (utility tree trimming. Be gone in a couple of hours, pal), detours (just temporary. Truck stalled.), police directing traffic (sometimes requiring you to ignore the traffic signal!), accidents, school crossing guards, stopped school buses (requiring traffic to stop on both sides of the road). Oh, sure, you could deploy gizmos all over the place to help guide the car, but who’s going to pay for that? Besides, hackers would have a field day.

      4. Mina Avatar
        Mina

        We will not tolerate an oppressive govt that goes that far or even close to it.

      5. Lyle Petersen Avatar
        Lyle Petersen

        I’m told by my leftist friends that there’s this thing called civil disobedience. I’ll be looking into it when push comes to shove.

    3. ezrvs1 Avatar
      ezrvs1

      I’m with you!

    4. Pumpkin King XXIII Avatar
      Pumpkin King XXIII

      You better have an old microwave in the back seat to throw your phone in. They will be using it to follow you.

    5. Nick Avatar
      Nick

      … while carrying around a phone tracking you via GPS.

  26. Norris Allen Avatar
    Norris Allen

    Where will the electric power come from ?

    1. Donn N. Avatar
      Donn N.

      Unicorn farts.

    2. steven reynolds Avatar
      steven reynolds

      You will be taxed an electric transportation tax to cover that. Then they will have to add a ton more taxes to replace the gas tax, and on and on and on.

      1. Mina Avatar
        Mina

        Where are we going to get the money to pay the taxes? Rob out piggy banks of the play money we stuffed in there as kids?

    3. jtom Avatar
      jtom

      You didn’t take note of their OTHER forecast? The power will be FREE using our new solar and wind powered electric grids! How do these fools earn money???

    4. Mina Avatar
      Mina

      Oh, don’t bust their bubbles with bad thoughts and negativity. I had a brief one way discussion with a smart lady who thought it would be swell to pave roads and docks with solar panels. She blocked me for giving her a feeling of pushback that was annoying.

  27. Deplorable Agent Mom Avatar
    Deplorable Agent Mom

    Who decides that? Because I am NOT giving up my car, no matter how many lefties tell me too!

    1. Littleredtop Avatar
      Littleredtop

      Ivanka Trump and Jeb Kurshner…that’s who.

      1. Donn N. Avatar
        Donn N.

        Who the hell is Jeb Kurshner?

        1. The Blameocrats Avatar
          The Blameocrats

          Apparently a fictional WH character he just made up.

        2. Littleredtop Avatar
          Littleredtop

          her husband

      2. Pakvi Roti Avatar
        Pakvi Roti

        Jared. Your hat must be too tight.

        1. Littleredtop Avatar
          Littleredtop

          it’s that damn tin foil…. sorry, Jared

      3. fcabanski Avatar
        fcabanski

        Um, no.

    2. Deadmau5 Patton Avatar
      Deadmau5 Patton

      you can talk big, but i’m sure a lot of horse and carriage owners said the same in their day.

      1. KevTuck Avatar
        KevTuck

        After Trump restores all the coal mining jobs, he will work to revitalize the blacksmith industry????.

        1. Rob Avatar
          Rob

          It’s already happening. Look at anvil prices, they are out of control.

        2. Deadmau5 Patton Avatar
          Deadmau5 Patton

          it would be good if we had some older technologies to fall back on. i’d actually support an initiative to bring back the blacksmith industry

      2. Mind the store Avatar
        Mind the store

        Horses provided independency and were replaced by much greater independency – the auto. Autonomous vehicles are regressive, “crash” independency.

        1. Deadmau5 Patton Avatar
          Deadmau5 Patton

          i’m not exactly sure, but i’d guess that the younger generations value independence and sovereignty less than anyone. those old values don’t mean much to them and they’ll accept autonomous cars and every other government program without resistance.

    3. ZeroLover Avatar
      ZeroLover

      It is the right wing DUI laws that is going to take your car away.

    1. Dammit Avatar
      Dammit

      Johnny Cab!

      1. Ashes Avatar
        Ashes

        There it is, been waiting for that quote,lol

  28. MidAmerica2 Avatar
    MidAmerica2

    We know how relaxing it is riding with strangers for a couple of minutes in an elevator so imagine the interactive possibilities if it’s a couple hours or more in a small autonomous car and the open road.

    1. Mina Avatar
      Mina

      You would have your watches stolen and your pocketbooks taken and your computers etc. Then the robbers would get off and run.

  29. Scatter Manx Avatar
    Scatter Manx

    I would not drive a driverless car. Who knows where it would go?

  30. Native New Yorker Avatar
    Native New Yorker

    Oh please…..this is an absurd asumption.

  31. oncemorearound Avatar
    oncemorearound

    By 2030 no one will be able to afford one….

  32. jb80538 Avatar
    jb80538

    Sounds like BS to me!

  33. Littleredtop Avatar
    Littleredtop

    By 2030 I won’t need a car. So, I guess this globalist initiative is OK.

  34. Vox Veritas Avatar
    Vox Veritas

    And farmers won’t have tractors. Right…

    These leftist dystopians vote for Democrats — all 11 of them.

  35. ShadowSandy Avatar
    ShadowSandy

    Wait werent we supposed to have flying cars by now? ????????????

  36. TZAZ Avatar
    TZAZ

    People that don’t have a clue about living in large states with vast distances between towns, his time line is much to short.

  37. bazilman Avatar
    bazilman

    This “think tank” is quite obviously made up of elitist urbanite millennials or millennial-wannabees. A large portion of the population does not live in high density urban areas and for them, this pipe dream of a “ride to work as part of a latte purchase” is nuts.

  38. rhcrest Avatar
    rhcrest

    We already have these vehicles available in the form of taxis limos uber buses etc. Nothing beats having your own car available to go wherever you want whenever you want without having to involve anyone or anything else.

  39. boBNunny Avatar
    boBNunny

    I don’t think the ICE will go away anytime in the next 20 years. That said, I think Transport as a Service and self-driving cars are great for those looking to get work done, the elderly, and even drunk drivers. And in cities, the cost of owning a car is insane! Add in the high insurance, parking, increased fuel costs, etc, and it can easily be $1000 a month. Silliness to own a car in the city; especially NY, LA, or Chicago.

    1. Grand2833 Avatar
      Grand2833

      No one forces you to live in those places. By all means, don’t buy a car if everything you need is within walking distance. Unfortunately that is not the case for the majority of Americans. We depend on our cars and trucks for all the necessary trips; shopping, work, schools, doctors, sporting events, dinners out with family and friends, vacations, and the list goes on and on.

  40. Southernationalist Avatar
    Southernationalist

    Just wait until you have a nice summer weekend and everyone wants to hit the beach at the same time.

    1. jtom Avatar
      jtom

      Why wait that long? What about rush hour every day of the work week?

      1. Mina Avatar
        Mina

        Electric cars running out of charges waiting in line to “fill up” and waiting for construction and accidents to clear. These think tank kids are divorced from reality. And, where do they think batteries come from, a stork? It takes more than solar power to melt lead or mine minerals for other type batteries. Chemicals don’t come to factories for their use by way of magic wands. Asphalt doesn’t come from thin air. Then there is the “thing” about efficiency. Remember the fad of diluting gasoline with ethanol? How’s that working? Run up the cost of bread and ruining engines. Less horsepower per gallon.

  41. Dammit Avatar
    Dammit

    What a crock of ….

  42. ScottAg83 Avatar
    ScottAg83

    Just think when the government wants to curtail travel due to martial law, you would be SOL without your own car or truck.

  43. Dammit Avatar
    Dammit

    Just try to catch me in my Red Barchetta.

  44. Dennis Jones Avatar
    Dennis Jones

    I seriously doubt people are going to give up that much independence and lets face it, the technology is still not there. The electric commuter car sure, but you forget the vacation trips, runs to Home Depot/Lowes, sports events and the hundreds of other trips we make that is not job related.

  45. flyfish Avatar
    flyfish

    Only thing I would disagree with is that Fully Atonomous Vehicles will be used in large scale operation by 2030. By 2030, FAV’s will be mostly relegated to legacy modes of transportation. Fully Autonomous Flying Drones will be the norm. Think of the cost savings around infrastructure that could realized with FAFD’s. Multiple layers of FAFD’s stacked as high as needed, on demand instant infrastructure to accommodate increased capacity. Significanlty reduced travel times….

    If you are going to completely shread a multi trillion dollar a year industry you might as well go big, really big. 🙂

  46. Hyna Hammond Avatar
    Hyna Hammond

    AS AN ELDERLY WHO IS HAVING A VISION PROBLEM AND LIVING ALONE THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE FOR ME, AND FOR THE DISABLE WHO RELY ON OTHERS TO DRIVE, THIS IS AMAZING, ONLY, IF I AM STILL ALIVE BY 2030. LOL.

    1. Lurch47 Avatar
      Lurch47

      I’m guessing NO and I am no Spring Chicken either. =0)

  47. NCMike Avatar
    NCMike

    Battery improvements seem reasonable, but nowhere in the article have they addressed the issue of production of electricity. Currently it’s coal, hydrocarbons, and water power, with only three percent coming from solar or wind. Environmental activists oppose coal, hydrocarbons, and the damming of rivers. What’s the magic bullet that will make solar and wind economically feasible, effective and competitive with current major electricity sources?

  48. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    How are they going to CLEAN the cars after each short term rental? They won’t. Cars will be cleaned maybe once a week or every few days if we are lucky. I work for a major car rental agency and you wouldn’t believe how filthy cars are when the general public rents for a day. People eat chicken and sunflower seeds, leaving heaps of crumbs and shells in the cars. They just spit the shells into the cabin along with bits of seeds. They get their sticky gooey fingers all over the interior. Drinks are spilled on the seats, dash, doors and carpet. People ignore the restrictions of smoking in the car. They often smell like vape smoke and cigarettes, or even worse, B.O.. They bring their pets and the cars seats are covered in pet hair. I wouldn’t want to jump into a car that was rented by a bunch of inconsiderate people and hadn’t been cleaned. Enjoy the brave new world.

    1. jtom Avatar
      jtom

      Since those ‘free rides’ will be stripped and sold for parts or scrap on a daily basis, they will quit possibly stay very clean.

    2. Jack Mack Avatar
      Jack Mack

      Yeah, so does that mean all these parents will be toting around their booster seats all day as they jump from car to car as well as the stroller, baby gear, etc. So when I have to coach my kids little league team, I’ll have to haul the gear bagS! into my office for the day…..yeah my boss, office mates, and people who ride the elevator will really appreciate that.

      These stupid self-absorbed city cellar dwellers can’t imagine life outside of clubbing, sitting around sipping a latte and sitting around saying how much smarter they are than everyone else.

      13 years…hahahhahaha…If used cars and gas will be SOOO CHEAP, why would I want to do something so damn inconvenient as to waiting around for an f**ing taxi 5 times a day.

      Think tank….wow…somebody thinks themselves as important.

      1. happy1ga Avatar
        happy1ga

        Don’t forget the feminists who are into “free bleeding,” toddlers who aren’t toilet trained, people who get food poisoning or have the flu, dogs that have ticks or fleas that ride along with their masters, the people that clip their toenails while they ride, the sex addicts masturbating to porn on their phone, the heroin addict spraying blood out of a vein she tapped, heck, the list of fresh horrors you could encounter in one of these future autonomous car fleets is endless.

    3. fcabanski Avatar
      fcabanski

      Lowly humans will clean the cars. Or, better yet, only robots will be allowed to travel.

  49. Albondigas Avatar
    Albondigas

    All the bun-wad-techie-twirps can fiddle on their virtual IPads in the back seats while Electrobrain drives along and shoots live video streamed to other dopes picking their noses and exposing themselves.

    “Please do not masturbate in the vehicle; be considerate to other riders…”

  50. krell51 Avatar
    krell51

    A car is freedom to move when and where you choose, self driving cars owned and controlled by someone else puts you at the mercy of others, no thank you!

  51. Lurch47 Avatar
    Lurch47

    This is preposterous left tard BS. Huge metro areas might be more electric , but what about the outback? The US is huge and this idea won’t fly in rural areas and farming communities or Peoria. Plus, electric power is not pollution free. Nor has anyone really addressed the problem of what to do with the THOUSANDS of old worn out lithium batteries.

  52. Dammit Avatar
    Dammit

    95% huh? I guess only 5% of the population live in rural areas.

  53. Ali ByGolly Avatar
    Ali ByGolly

    More stupid crap from a left wing think tank staffed by idiots.

  54. Dennis Jones Avatar
    Dennis Jones

    somewhere along the line you have to make up for the loss of fuel tax revenue that the Fed and States depend on. They’re already feeling the crunch just with the more fuel efficient vehicles our government mandated us to buy.

  55. Charlie Avatar
    Charlie

    “The cars will last a lifetime”. This man has taken the title of all time worlds stupidest liberal.

  56. Eric Avatar
    Eric

    American’s will never give up their cars, maybe in Europe where Liberal and Green politician’s are the given but not here. I also dont recall an enormous uptake of Solar unless you count the companies that the Obama admin made such a big deal about and gave them millions only to have them collapse.

    1. Grand2833 Avatar
      Grand2833

      Actually, that was billions of dollars wasted on his “green energy” agenda. It was all part of his war on coal and the oil industry. Further evidence of the ignorance the man and his administration displayed as to the energy/manufacturing sector. Our modern, highly technological civilization is only possible with enormous quantities of oil being produced and consumed on a massive scale around the world. Only a fool would think our society could survive without oil, natural gas and coal.

  57. Bobbie Irish Avatar
    Bobbie Irish

    Really? And what about people in rural areas? We live on a 3,000 acre ranch. Twenty miles from the closest town. 100 miles from the closest major Hospital. 240 miles round trip from the closest major Airport. Electric cars? How about when it is -20 below, and snowing? How about when it is -40 below, and snowing? Pipe dreams if they think all the people who live in rural settings are going to move to, or be moved to big cities. That’s why we protect our gun rights!

    1. Jeff Valasek Avatar
      Jeff Valasek

      40 acres off grid, 9 miles from town of 350 people. NO problem getting an ‘electric car’ to come get me, and pull 800 gallons of water (6400 pounds) home down a dirt 4×4 road – right?

    2. James Nilsson Avatar
      James Nilsson

      Remember, this is proposed by a “think tank” of Citiots. They do not have a clue of anything beyond a city. Food magically arrives at grocery stores, electricity comes from that plug on the wall, a carbon footprint is important, solar panels work when snow covered or north of the 50th parallel. Citiots are dumb as a bag of hammers.

      1. Mr Happy Man Avatar
        Mr Happy Man

        Citiots. Its an intersting word with a lot of truth behind it. I’ll add it to my working vocabulary.

      2. Mr Happy Man Avatar
        Mr Happy Man

        Actually, to many of these citiots, food isn’t found in a grocery store. It comes on a plate at an overpriced eating establishment. This requires two hours at a gym daily to work off those excess calories. As well as 70+ hour workweeks to afford eating out three times a day at overpriced eating establishments, the gym membership, and all that goes along with those two.
        In their apartments the oven is a good place to store things, because it isn’t used for anything else.

  58. Who U Gettin Crazy Wit Ese Avatar
    Who U Gettin Crazy Wit Ese

    OK faggotron.

  59. yarpos . Avatar
    yarpos .

    Surprised to see all these naysayers on a Renew blog, I thought all comment not be slavishly enthusiastic was deleted.

    I love how thing are things are just dismissed with wave of the hand. Cobalt replcement will be found, the “solution” will just radiate out magically to rural areas. So easy to be visionary when untroubled by reality.

    Like any batch of futurist projections some elements may eventually come to pass, and many wont. As none of this actually works at commercial scale in 2017, I’d suggest 2030 is just plain stupid.

    1. Grand2833 Avatar
      Grand2833

      It’s liberal “magic”, just thinking it is so will make it a fact. Repeat it in the media enough times and people will start to believe it. Sorry, that only works with the liberal far left crowd. The majority of the people now realize these stories really are “fake news”. There is no truth to these “predictions”. Just people making stuff up and throwing it out there.

  60. John F. Markham Avatar

    In 1937, Popular Science magazine predicted auto travel from North America to Europe via highways in undersea tubes. It was supposed to commence by 1960.

    It sorta deflates a person’s faith in predictions.

  61. RichPorardo Avatar
    RichPorardo

    That will be the death nell for freedom. At any time, the government will be able to prevent you from traveling, or dictate when and where you travel. No thanks!

  62. David Lee Avatar
    David Lee

    A series of fleets that will eventually become one Fleet with central control is the most fragile system I could think of for transportation !what we have now is decentralized but it’s very anti fragile in the sense that one crash or system failure is not going to shut down the grid -this is assuming that everybody has the kindest, most benign intentions! pathological personalities are always drawn to positions of power ;the more power they have the more pathological they act out…
    Think of a seesaw- at one end is liberty and at the other end is security. to gain one you have to give up the other. one gains leverage while the other one loses.
    Learning the difference between wanting and having is expensive and sometimes irrevocable…

  63. 99magna Avatar
    99magna

    Yeah and all cities were going to have “people mover” sidewalks.

  64. TruthTeller (Deplorable) Avatar
    TruthTeller (Deplorable)

    This character has obviously never lived on a farm. This ain’t happenin’ in my lifetime, which will extend beyond 2030, God willing.

  65. Southernfriedyankee Avatar
    Southernfriedyankee

    Sounds to me like someone presenting their personal “dream” as fact or reality. Can driving habits change over a period of time ? Of course. Private cars “disappear” ? Not in North America as long as Americans and Canadians remain independent minded !

  66. jenkem5 Avatar
    jenkem5

    What a bunch of liberal envirotarded BS. Tell me more about electric autonomous snow plows that are going to plow my half mile long fn driveway. These people are beyond dumb.

    1. CarlG Avatar
      CarlG

      Stick to your horse and buggy.

      1. Grand2833 Avatar
        Grand2833

        Stupid comment.

  67. American Avatar
    American

    The same people that think up this stuff are the same types that think “people” would prefer to live in large metropolitan housing complexes where they can take an elevator down to street level; with shops, entertainment venues and, public mass transportation to their work is all within walking distance just around the corner.

    They call this dreamland vison of theirs: “Utopia”.

  68. Jack76 Avatar
    Jack76

    Yeah, and we’ll have a high speed train that goes from LA to SF. NOT!

    1. John F. Markham Avatar

      Interest on the money borrowed to pay for “Jerry’s Choo-choo” will be greater than the anticipated revenue. It’s in their own data; digging it out is not terribly tough if I can do it. I never worked a day in the transport industry and I found it.

      It means no money for salaries, benefits, insurance, maintenace parts or electricity to power the trains. That’s no way to run a railroad.

      Brown’s a fool. Tell a friend.

      1. Jack76 Avatar
        Jack76

        He’s more than just a fool. He’s a dangerously insane socialist who will be causing us pain, hardship and misery long after he’s gone.

  69. Drtender Avatar
    Drtender

    Leftwing people don’t like private ownership in general. This is just one more example of their socialist dream.

    1. Pakvi Roti Avatar
      Pakvi Roti

      Then we should force them to give their own privately owned assets.

      1. bstoff Avatar
        bstoff

        They pretend they would do that willingly, but they really believe they will be enjoying the fruits of everyone else’s work.

  70. CarlG Avatar
    CarlG

    The zombie apocalypse will happen before then. I have watched seven seasons of The Walking Dead. I learned all what needs to be known. I will survive.

    1. JBrickley Avatar
      JBrickley

      Except none of the cars would be working a few years after the zombie apocalypse. Gasoline expires and they aren’t exactly making more in the TV show. More likely to have an EMP apocalypse so only classic cars without computers will still run… Even many motorcycles wouldn’t work. Maybe you could drive about on mopeds and lawn mowers. Just get a horse!

      1. CarlG Avatar
        CarlG

        I live in a retirement community. I already live amongst The Walking Dead. I’ve become one badazz. I will learn more skills this fall from Season 8.

        1. Grand2833 Avatar
          Grand2833

          Good for you!

    2. KevTuck Avatar
      KevTuck

      North Korea’s EMP detonation will deliver all you need… minus the zombies.

      1. CarlG Avatar
        CarlG

        You read too much Fox News.

      2. David169 Avatar
        David169

        Iran has already passed a measure through their Parliament that as soon as they can get their hands on an EMP weapon they will use it on the US.

        1. Grand2833 Avatar
          Grand2833

          Good times coming, they won’t do it but once so they better make it good. Someone needs to inform them of our nuclear triad. That’s nuclear weapons on land, air and sea. No matter what they do we will still have the capacity to retaliate with a massive nuclear strike on their major cities.

  71. Juanca Ramirez Avatar
    Juanca Ramirez

    Absolute nonsense!, real Americans love cars and what comes attached to it: Freedom!

  72. Radbug Avatar
    Radbug

    EV Vespas are cool. I don’t wanna wait for an AEV so I can pop down & buy some milk! AEV’s are really good if you wanna travel further than 5 kilometres. Less than 5 kilometres, use the Vespa!

    1. Grand2833 Avatar
      Grand2833

      Yeah, right, a Vespa is so good for taking the two dogs to the vet, taking the three kids to school and all their other activities, picking up the drycleaning, bringing home the groceries from my local Walmart which is eight miles away, picking up my friends for a night out or a dinner date, attending different events, family vacations or visits to our state parks. Sorry, your Vespa is just as impracticable as a bicycle or an expensive electric vehicle. In the real world, a gas-powered vehicle is an absolute necessity for anyone who is not in a hospital or a nursing home. Grow up!

      1. Radbug Avatar
        Radbug

        Sorry Grand2833, don’t wanna grow up!

  73. JBrickley Avatar
    JBrickley

    Pie in the sky thinking. Not gonna happen.

  74. northforkwings Avatar
    northforkwings

    Wow and fusion power is only 10 years away! Peak oil, remember that one? Pulled our rental skidsteer down out of the mountains today weight 11,900 lbs 20% grades 4×4 road. Try that in your pos electric go cart. Think I’ll keep the 490 hp Ford!
    Where do these people have their heads? Oh yeah, sorry it is pretty dark in there, the smell also distorts their thinking!

    1. JoeDisqus56 Avatar
      JoeDisqus56

      There’ll be 490 hp electric go carts you can rent for a little more than the regular ones. Don’t worry.

      1. Grand2833 Avatar
        Grand2833

        You know nothing about automobiles or trucks. I suspect you know even less about those electric go carts. I don’t mind you indulging your liberal fantasies, but don’t try to force them on the rest of us.

        1. JoeDisqus56 Avatar
          JoeDisqus56

          won’t have to. The vast majority of people will recognize the value and your 490 diesel will become a specialty item that costs 5x what it does now. You’ll either have to keep an ancient one running or accept the electric replacement.

    2. yarpos . Avatar
      yarpos .

      If pulling power is your core argument you have lost, very high torque from zero revs is one of the features of electric vehicles. There are many othe practical reasons current generation EVs fall short, especially for you kind of needs.

      1. northforkwings Avatar
        northforkwings

        Weight range 3 min refueling you might call it real muscle. Not happening with batteries.

        1. yarpos . Avatar
          yarpos .

          can only agree 🙂

  75. JasonX Avatar
    JasonX

    Dumb. If I want to go somewhere I want my own vehicle at my own time to take me there not some government funded stupid system

  76. Rob Avatar
    Rob

    I want my flying car. We were supposed to have flying cars in the year 2000.

  77. auh2064 Avatar
    auh2064

    Alright, so what if I want to go hiking in the mountains? Will the magic electric car take me to the trailhead and be back to pick me up afterwards?

    1. JasonX Avatar
      JasonX

      No, it will only take you to your local Starbucks and back.

      1. David169 Avatar
        David169

        Who still buys at Starbucks after the insult to our military?

        1. Rob Avatar
          Rob

          liberals

  78. KevTuck Avatar
    KevTuck

    Yeah, but will I look cool cruising the block in it?

    1. Grand2833 Avatar
      Grand2833

      God bless you, that is just too funny! I needed a good laugh and that did it. Thanks.

    2. juanjeremy2012 Avatar
      juanjeremy2012

      THATS HILARIOUS IM SITTING HERE LAUGHING AND JERKING MY CHICKEN AT THAT

  79. disqus_rhGhEfUHvy Avatar
    disqus_rhGhEfUHvy

    According to this report we don’t need to do anything about “Global Warming”,
    Climate Change” or whatever they want to call it since this will take care of the problem all on its own.

  80. auh2064 Avatar
    auh2064

    Will the magic electric car have a trailer hitch so it can haul my boat to the lake?

  81. dltaylor51 Avatar
    dltaylor51

    WE’LL just let the democrats be shuttled around in electric gumball machines while the rest of us drive our cars where and whenever we decide.

  82. Throwback 59 Avatar
    Throwback 59

    To paraphrase a famous saying in the US: they will take my car when they pry my cold dead hands from the steering wheel.

  83. Cary Michael Cox Avatar
    Cary Michael Cox

    Hey mate – where are you going to get all of this electricity for these little A-EVs?

    Solar accounts for only 1% of electric generation worldwide you stupid bloke. In 13 years solar and I’ll throw in wind are going to ramp-up to replace all coal/natural gas/hydro, and nuke power?

    These two sources are unreliable to sustain your Utopian Dream.

    Have you heard of planed-obsolescence? No company makes anything that lasts forever for a reason. Even Elon Musk.

    Maybe they should have you write the comics and leave business to the big-boys at the table.

    I could go on and on about the fallacies of your article, but you are not worth it.

    You want to put some cash down on your prediction?

    Cary Michael Cox

    1. Grand2833 Avatar
      Grand2833

      Great comment.

  84. R Davis Avatar
    R Davis

    A textbook I had about 16 years ago stated boldly that Honda would not be a major maker of cars in just a few years but would continue to build engines. Total fail, and I knew that when I read it. Same here. We’re not giving up our cars, you’d have riots.

  85. David169 Avatar
    David169

    I believe this prediction was made by a group of liberals smoking crack. Whoever they are they don’t know a single thought about the the way un-brainwashed American people are wrapped. I can see where this would be attractive to someone with multiple DUIs or disqualified from driving for medical reasons. To the average person this would be an insult and a nightmare. Further just like the government has manufacturers install listening and viewing systems in TVs and phones, I’m sure everything that is said or done in these cars will be recorded. Buy the way can one of these electrics haul my 14,000 pound fifth wheel trailer half way across the US?

    1. auh2064 Avatar
      auh2064

      You won’t be allowed to have a trailer. They leave too much of a carbon footprint.

      1. northforkwings Avatar
        northforkwings

        Good luck with that.

  86. disqus_rhGhEfUHvy Avatar
    disqus_rhGhEfUHvy

    I think we can put as much into this report as reports in the 2000’s of Artic ice-free summers in 5-6 years, of telecommuting in the early 1990’s, a new ice age in the 1970’s and flying cars in the 1960’s.

  87. Palace Dog Avatar
    Palace Dog

    Gotta love the “10 year window”. I’m still waiting for the ice age to hit that was ‘predicted’ in the 1970’s “10 year window”.

    1. Mina Avatar
      Mina

      Readers’ Digest had an article about 1959-60, “The Coming Ice Age”. I remember it because I presented it to the chemistry II class.

    2. fcabanski Avatar
      fcabanski

      Hopefully, the self driving cars will have either pontoons or skis, since either global warming will cause the oceans to rise or global cooling will cause an ice age.

  88. uhavetobekidding Avatar
    uhavetobekidding

    The left is hilarious. They think if they tell us this kindofKrap enough times then we will eventually believe it. I am not going to believe any of this until I get my George Jetson solar panel flying car that was promised us.

  89. grassy knoll ✓ᴰᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ Avatar
    grassy knoll ✓ᴰᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    They’ll still be making small block v8’s in 2030- and imagine how much hp they will produce then.

  90. Flyoveryou Avatar
    Flyoveryou

    Pure BS

  91. Sigmund Tomas Avatar
    Sigmund Tomas

    I thought we were all going to be under water or cooked to death by climate change. Not clear on which. Depends on which doomsday left wing loon you read.

  92. northforkwings Avatar
    northforkwings

    Bet the these guys will be the first, and only passengers on those new pilotless airliners!

  93. Jack Coyote Avatar
    Jack Coyote

    Millennials. You never know. But I’m not buying into this.

  94. dyrwolf Avatar
    dyrwolf

    No mention of the expense of electricity cost, which are high due to conversions (at production of the electric power, and to turn that into kinetic energy, both of which are very inefficient). Who will,pay for this free stuff?

    1. Grand2833 Avatar
      Grand2833

      That’s just it, they’re not free, nothing is free.

  95. borgy Avatar
    borgy

    I used to sit in the school library in the 60’s and read Popular Science and Popular Mechanics. They said their would be flying cars by now. WHERE ARE THE FLYING CARS!?!?

  96. jack Avatar
    jack

    What a load of leftest crap.

  97. 1twothree4 Avatar
    1twothree4

    Yah, suuure it will. Just like we were all gonna have flying cars by 2000. Dolts.

  98. WTF? Avatar
    WTF?

    Regardless of the liberal zombies the media likes to show on the news. REAL Americans will NEVER give up their cars. The freedom mindset is baked into the cake, you will never be able to control us.

  99. Mike Danger Avatar
    Mike Danger

    Utter nonsense. “If” everyone lived in urban mega-cities the argument might have merit however as one moves outward from the cities through the suburbs and into rural America the advantages for car ownership increases.

    Similarly the projections for the demise of the internal combustion engine are based upon unrealistic assumptions. The author needs to stay away from the kool aid…

    1. Grand2833 Avatar
      Grand2833

      The author is pushing an agenda. They cite his prediction for solar energy but leave out the enormous cost of government subsidies that make it affordable for the average homeowner. It is 25,000.00 for the installation of solar cells on your roof in my state of Louisiana. The federal government has a subsidy of thirty percent (30%) and that is a federal credit of 7,500.00. The state government has a subsidy of fifty percent (50%) and that is a state credit of 12,500.00. That is a total cost of 5,000.00 for the homeowner to purchase and install solar cells on the roof of the house. Is it affordable? Only with massive government subsidies and those are paid by the hard-working taxpayers.

      1. Mina Avatar
        Mina

        Things could be worse in outlook, if a dem were to become pres in near future and the balance of power changes in congress. But there is a limit to what even socialists can accomplish before society breaks down. Watch Venezuela.

  100. foxfire Avatar
    foxfire

    This will be the end of car sex as we know it. <>

    1. Grand2833 Avatar
      Grand2833

      No, that would continue and the next riders would be sitting on those same seats. Not a pleasant thought…

      1. David169 Avatar
        David169

        As I said below the government would be recording everything said and done in these cars.

  101. Suzanne Avatar
    Suzanne

    You act like everyone drinks lattes. People drive because they like to be free and independent in the privacy of their own car. I don’t think this will happen unless it is FORCED on us by some leftist or globalist government because they believe in that nonsense of ‘climate change global warming’ and don’t believe in the freedom of the individual. Sounds like a dream some leftist New Yorker thought up because he’s never driven a car in his life and takes a taxi everywhere he goes.

  102. myforest40 Avatar
    myforest40

    BS

  103. JohnnyVoxx Avatar
    JohnnyVoxx

    Take your “self-driving” cars and shove them up your ass.

  104. corax Avatar
    corax

    Hogwash. Pure envronazi hogwash

  105. a_b704 Avatar
    a_b704

    I will be 70 then. But if I can still safely drive, I will still own one. Hopefully, the same 2000 Taurus I own now, since it is paid for 😉

    1. 69XLCH Avatar
      69XLCH

      When I was young I liked new cars but I found out I didn’t like payments. Older paid for cars are fine for me. It helps being a man and a mechanic. I know it’s riskier for women.

      1. a_b704 Avatar
        a_b704

        As long as my 1990 truck, and 2000 car, keep passing the required state inspections, I will keep them. especially since I only drive about 5000 miles a year. And I know a guy at work paying $600 a month for a Mustang. LOL.

  106. ezrvs1 Avatar
    ezrvs1

    What a laughable load of eco-crap. Have any of these pasty faced, pencil necked, pinheads ever ventured outside the city? I think not.

  107. gary schroeder Avatar
    gary schroeder

    if we make Jay Leno
    our next POTUS
    cars will stay viable forever
    i promise you that GM FORD CHRYSLER

  108. 69XLCH Avatar
    69XLCH

    Popular Mechanics said we were all gonna have flying cars by 1990 .

  109. BobWhiteRevisited✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗ Avatar
    BobWhiteRevisited✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

    I don’t think so. Americans love their freedom. There is no way we give up the open road and the inherent freedom of that. Think about this plan they are concocting. Once they control travel, they control YOU. Want to go somewhere that ‘autonomous vehicle’ does not travel, then too bad for you. Who knows what all things, but this an absolute means of enslavement.

  110. ezrvs1 Avatar
    ezrvs1

    I will give up my car (an SUV & Pickup truck) when they pry my cold dead fingers off the steering wheel.

  111. EmeraldAl Avatar
    EmeraldAl

    These idiots pushing the Battery power = renewable meme.
    Battery = stored energy.
    You just add one more waste product that isn’t made from a renewable source, plus the energy to make it and dispose of it, and then move the original smokestack out of sight while adding time and further constraints to restore the vehicles ability to move.

  112. MysteryMan Avatar
    MysteryMan

    So how the heck are people that actually work for a living going to bring tools and equipment from their homes to construction sites. How are farmers going to get feed, equipment, food where they need to be.
    This article forgets that for their future to be realized you first have to have the total urbanization of the entire population. A trend that is of late getting some push back from young crunchies that are starting to realize that being part of the sheeple population of a city might not be the best way to spend their lives.

    1. CSATejano Avatar
      CSATejano

      I am with ya.

      These dummies don’t think straight. They have an idea which in their minds is just wonderful and think everyone will agree with them. Of course reality kicks in and suddenly those that disagree are the enemy.

  113. Dumpster Avatar
    Dumpster

    I doubt it. These ‘reports’ are hardly every right.

  114. John Doe Avatar
    John Doe

    Very Un-American. Only liberals will be for giving up freedom of choice. Death to Liberals. Commie bastards.

    1. David169 Avatar
      David169

      Apparently you have not been watching “news”. The current crop of liberals feel empowered to attack you and cause great physical harm or death if you don’t agree with them. Liberalism is a mental defect, it is an ignoring of reality and insisting upon the alternate reality in the liberals brain.

  115. Harry Canyon Avatar
    Harry Canyon

    I’d love to see an electric autonomous vehicle tow my boat. (Btw, it won’t be an electric autonomous boat)
    Another commie bastard we-know-what’s-best-for-everybody-else think tank wet dream.

  116. John Doe Avatar
    John Doe

    From my cold dead hands Winston.

  117. bill clintoon Avatar
    bill clintoon

    You will have to pry my auto out of my dead hands….because I LOVE driving.

  118. Unbelievable Avatar
    Unbelievable

    This may work in wacko NYC but it sure ain’t gonna work where I live! I’ll never give up my freedom of owning my own vehicle.

  119. Maud St James Avatar
    Maud St James

    This is the silliest, most liberal-wishing thing I’ve ever heard. Control a person’s ability to move where and when he wants and he becomes a slave. Anyone who loves freedom, who loves choice will fight this obscenity as hard as possible. Freedom must be defended.

  120. Drew Avatar
    Drew

    I too am having a hard time believing this is real close to happening (in the next decade or so)….at least in places an hour or more outside of major cities. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but I don’t see people in more rural areas giving up their vehicles for this type of thing anytime soon…I mean I don’t think most rural areas and towns outside the metro areas even have Uber type services yet.

  121. MysteryMan Avatar
    MysteryMan

    Freedom of movement, personal mobility … is one of the foundation principles of a free people. People that are free to move, are MUCH harder for any government to control or manipulate. Hence of the first thing any oppressive government does is restrict the movement of it’s citizens.
    First step to removing freedom of movement … control the means by which the people move.

  122. David Rodolff Avatar
    David Rodolff

    Where can I get a set of those rose-colored glasses the author was wearing? Who made up those graphs? Totally unrealistic. Individually owned vehicles increasing sales steadily until 2020, and then in 4 years dropping to zero? Give me a break. I’ll always want my own vehicle.

    1. john mcginnis Avatar
      john mcginnis

      Actually auto sales in general are headed for a heartbreak some where between the 2018 to 2020 model years. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-12/flood-lease-vehicles-set-wreak-havoc-new-car-sales

      1. Mina Avatar
        Mina

        We could have a national depression or collapse in society when SS goes broke as well as medicare and Medicaid. Then when we no longer buy from China what happens to the millions employed in the selling of junk and the collection of broken junk? No jobs and no currency. That is more realistic than not having enough personal autos or having the govt mandate and provide electric transportation.

        1. john mcginnis Avatar
          john mcginnis

          As far as SS is concerned the simple fix is that the age to collect is jacked to 90yo. Poof! No Problem. But you have a improper impression of SS and the economy. SS is extractive. So it folding would be a good thing for the economy but a disaster for dependants. SS produces nothing.

  123. Dannimal Ateu Avatar
    Dannimal Ateu

    And in 8 years uber over took taxis in every city they operate in. Think about that. How long have we had taxi’s? And in 8 years most people have uber or lyft app.

    1. MysteryMan Avatar
      MysteryMan

      Ubers are taxis from an operational point of view. No difference. Merely a different technology to put the customer in touch with the service.

      1. glamdeluxe Avatar
        glamdeluxe

        Don’t ruin his liberal dementia.

  124. glamdeluxe Avatar
    glamdeluxe

    What a load of poop. I guess these people never go to rural areas, third world countries etc.

  125. lopagus1 Avatar
    lopagus1

    gosh…by 2030 i’ll be 70. hopefully i’ll still be alive. i’ll still own a car, and my harley?…well, i’ll give up my harley when you pry it from my cold, dead a@@!!!

  126. BillyBobThorton Avatar
    BillyBobThorton

    Not gonna happen. The cost will not be less the owning your own car. Let’s put it this way. You can buy perfectly good transportation for under 10k that will last 10 years. So 1000 a yr. plus maintenance+gas+insurance. Worst case $2400 a year. No way you can use autonomous taxis for that amount and have anywhere near the convenience level.

  127. americalsgt Avatar

    Recall ads from the 50’s of driverless cars with mom, dad and 2.2 kids playing board game in the back of the cars. Hasn’t happened and hope I DEROS before it happens.

  128. SNAKESRULE Avatar
    SNAKESRULE

    I have a 2015 tacoma…i guarangodamtee I’ll have it in 2030.

  129. +One Avatar
    +One

    According to Popular Mechanics when I was a kid, we all should have had flying cars by now.
    Imagine the tremendous taxes the government will levy against these fleets of electric cars. No more road tax from fuel, no huge base of car ownership paying registration fees,etc.

    That latte will cost $20, and the ride will cost $50. They forgot to factor in inflation….but on the bright side, you’ll be earning $15/hour…..

  130. ObamaReally Suucks Avatar
    ObamaReally Suucks

    total bullshit…….do you want to sit in a “car” that some crack head whore just got out of,,,,and she is wearing no panties and has 3 different sexuallly transmitted DISEASES ????
    THAT my friends is a REAL possiblity

  131. lopagus1 Avatar
    lopagus1

    what good would a car be for nancy pelosi? she’s already senile…she can’t drive. this is just the ticket for that nasty c@nt.

  132. WaitingForTheStorm Avatar
    WaitingForTheStorm

    Bull crap. I live almost 15 miles from the nearest town and I use a truck for managing my property. The only way I won’t have a personal transport vehicle is if I am dead.

  133. disciple2819 Avatar
    disciple2819

    Or… instead I would rather take a ride in a 1968 Firebird supercharged 400 that gets 12 miles to the gallon at best. Keep your AEV. I choose the freedom of choice.

    1. john mcginnis Avatar
      john mcginnis

      1970 GTO, 400, quarter lifters, 4pack. 11mpg never passed up a gas station but the mileage was the same at 10mph or 110mph. Yeah baby! Sorry I ever sold that car.

  134. posse rush Avatar
    posse rush

    Nothing more than another system of control .. NO THANKS >>>

  135. john mcginnis Avatar
    john mcginnis

    The author/think tank is combining two factors and assumes they both must occur together. That is false. The two techs:
    a) Autonomous electric vehicles.
    b) Sharing said vehicle as the dominant mode of travel.

    (a) Can be quite successful without the need for (b) to be a factor. Fact the same tech that will make the electric vehicle less expensive would also be true for private ownership.

    (b) is already operating at one level, Uber and Lyft. But what makes Uber/Lyft is the fact that they are not paying for the burden of capitalization of the product (aka car) the user operator is. That changes a business model radically if they are buying the product. Compare the cost of Uber vs Hertz for say the same 50mi ride.

    The author also makes another critical miscalculation — Most of the major urban centers in this country already have public transport. AEVs will not change that picture much vs say taking SEPTA, BART, MARTA, etc. Finally there is the factor that won’t change at all. Getting into the public AEV that previous ride little johnny barfed all over the back seat will continue the experience NYers face every day.

    Besides, why not continue the Uber model with AEVs? I buy one, I turn it loose to earn money for me, but block out the time slots that I need it for. I make money for ME, not pay to someone else.

  136. Rick Carlton Avatar
    Rick Carlton

    To paraphrase George Carlin; “bull crap.” Wait until the hazmat maintenance crisis associated with worn out Li-ION batteries finally bubbles up. That’ll be a real electric moment to be sure! (sarc off).

  137. allhaileris Avatar
    allhaileris

    This can’t possibly hold true outside the large cities of the world. People who live and work in them have zero clue what life is like for everyone who doesn’t live that way.

  138. Scott Dailey Avatar
    Scott Dailey

    This was obviously written by left coast idiots. The middle of the country does not look like New York City.

  139. Jeff Teague Avatar
    Jeff Teague

    Seems to me I recall an old saying,” There’s no such thing as a free ride.” The Lure of another “free” government program will get rid of your independent mobility. What about paying off a car and owning it free and clear for five years without payments. Personally I’ll keep my wheels for as long as the government allows me to drive.

  140. tree207 Avatar
    tree207

    Manufacturers are now arguing that the consumer who “purchases” anything which requires extensive software for onboard computers to operate, does not “own” the item, but owns only the right (privilege) to operate that item.

    Regulation will force repair of vehicles to be done by only authorized agents due to the ownership rights of the inherent software contained in the vehicles. Expect the manufacturers to lobby successfully for the prohibition of the use of pre software vehicles (the ones an individual can keep in operation by themselves).

    1. john mcginnis Avatar
      john mcginnis

      expect hell, that is already happened with farm tractors.

      1. tree207 Avatar
        tree207

        Thank you. Another bit of news that is not in the news.

  141. Tim Brown Avatar
    Tim Brown

    Bullcrud. I will never let a friggin computer drive me. The damn ones we have at work don’t work half the time as it is. And this BS about free rides..yeah for welfare people who get everything for free now anyway

  142. Jon Rice Avatar
    Jon Rice

    Get serious….

  143. JohnnyIShootStuff Avatar

    So why aren’t trains and light rail more popular? I don’t look forward to the day when I’m forced to ride in an electric soda can that smells like weed, body odor, or having to find urine and feces in there from the last homeless guy who got a ride.

    No thanks, cars mean freedom and it’s that freedom that keep people buying them. I’ll stick with my 17mpg truck and be happy.

  144. steven reynolds Avatar
    steven reynolds

    So, will I be able to call one of these to take me down the 60+ miles of beach on the Padre Island national sea shore? I think I will keep my 4×4 suburban tyvm anyway.

  145. jtom Avatar
    jtom

    Another idiot with a forecast. Where does one start with this absurdity? Ok, consider the impact on the grid if even a significant fraction are electric. (And a solar and wind powered grid, you say!!). Just why should some company pay for my daily work commute, in any type of vehicle? What about my drive to see the inlaws – 900 miles away? Now, what are the minimum requirements for this to happen: breakthrough in battery technology (been waiting fifty years for that. No breakthrough, just small, incrimental improvements). Autonomous cars. Might work in the city in limited situations, not in the ‘burbs (would they ‘see’ that school crossing guard holding up the stop sign?). Then you need a change in human behavior. Having a car gives one a feeling of control, and many ENJOY driving. How much capital would be required to bring this change over? I have two cars, one is twenty years old, the other, sixteen. If I bought a car in the next decade, which I will, I would not replace it in thirteen years.

    This forecast is too stupid to even be stupid. It’s worse than the mind-numbing forecast that a stable and reliable solar and wind powered electrical grid could be achieved anywhere near as cheaply as fossil fuel generating plants.

    1. BobJohnson994 Avatar
      BobJohnson994

      Its because they have stock in some company and they are writing as someone else.

  146. Zigger Avatar
    Zigger

    Completely unrealistic.

  147. Jeff Teague Avatar
    Jeff Teague

    Agenda 21…. Everyone will live in big cities.. the rest of the world will look like Road Warrior Thunderdome….. Yeehaw!

    1. HankWil74 Avatar
      HankWil74

      There won’t be any farmers left; but the plants will become sentient and grow themselves… it’ll be awesome!

    2. David169 Avatar
      David169

      Agenda 21 isn’t very popular. I saw some targets for sale that were blue helmets.

  148. 55_Angus Avatar
    55_Angus

    I see it working on a limited basis for city dwellers, but how the heck am I gonna pile a group of kids and their camping gear into a robot driven thing to go camping out in a national forest somewhere ? Need a ‘burb for that ,

    1. Jeff Teague Avatar
      Jeff Teague

      At that point they will not want you to leave the City reservation. You might damage the wild life. Besides, the carbon tax would be out of this world. Your presence would be offensive to animals and animal rights activists everyplace would be on your butt for breathing the air! Cultural appropriation of animals is not cool. And living in the wild is beautiful for the people in the Amazon but not you baby. Be thankful for your 10 foot square cubicle apartment that they’re going to give you and free ride in a tin can, keep your mouth closed.

      1. steven reynolds Avatar
        steven reynolds

        OMGawd, im so glad i’m in my final years of life.

        1. Jeff Teague Avatar
          Jeff Teague

          Hahaha

  149. BobJohnson994 Avatar
    BobJohnson994

    This article was written by people that have an investment interest in driverless cars.

  150. Dee Gee Avatar
    Dee Gee

    It reminds us prediction five years back, that polar cups are going to melt and the ocean water will flood costal areas. One polar cup melt partial, the other got thicker,
    costal areas are not flooded. Solar is fantastic, why Tesla is using dirty power
    from coal ? Factory should be disconnected from grid and run on solar power
    year around. How many thousands tons of coal Tesla uses to produce so called clean car ? We can say that death of cars will be here, if Tesla produces solar
    locomotive which will pull 600 tons on regular basis in any train and weather, any place.

  151. Garys_opinion Avatar
    Garys_opinion

    They have been predicting it for years, along with dropping a pill in the gas tank and adding water.
    Years ago, when the automobile industry first started, my grandfather owned a blacksmith shop in Ligonier, Pa. where he shod horses. One day a man stopped by and offered him the Ford franchise for the area. My grandfather told him “No, those things will never catch on”.
    Nobody knows what the future holds.

  152. Ratcraft Avatar
    Ratcraft

    I live in liberal utopia. Just north of Seattle. I am 4.8 miles from work. Still no busses. Drive, ride my motorcycle or bicycle. No bus. I take a busy 4 lane road for 4.4 miles of that distance. No bus. Real busy stretch of road, no bus. It’s laughable. Yet in 13 years the grid will be full of electric powered free transports to anywhere anytime? Okay, yeah sure.

  153. StandingO Avatar
    StandingO

    Garbage. Get a horse.

  154. zero2sixty™ Trumpturd King Avatar
    zero2sixty™ Trumpturd King

    I love my solar, my bill went from $475 per month down to $0

    1. Grand2833 Avatar
      Grand2833

      No, don’t believe that. Lots of solar going up with government subsidies, no one is saying their monthly bill is going down to zero. Oh, and, by the way, what is the life expectancy for that solar cell array on your roof? Isn’t it about ten years if you’re lucky? After that you’re back on the grid or purchasing another system. Better hope they still have those government subsidies when you go to replace those solar cells.

      1. zero2sixty™ Trumpturd King Avatar
        zero2sixty™ Trumpturd King

        I dont need your belief or OK, just wish i would of done solar sooner…

  155. Scott Davis Avatar
    Scott Davis

    ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

    Good luck getting the key for my Challenger off of me!

  156. RIR fan Avatar
    RIR fan

    Let’s put it this way. When I want to go, I don’t want to wait. I’ll be buying a new VW GTI or Focus RS soon, and I can’t wait to whip past creaky electric cars driving snowflakes around. Like a Grand Prix every time you hit the road, and you always win.

    1. Scott Davis Avatar
      Scott Davis

      My challenger is just as quick as the 69 camero ss I had before it… much better gas mileage. But I pity the fool in the Smart Car.

  157. Zorro Avatar
    Zorro

    Just as NASTY as taking the Subway in New York or Greyhound anywhere. Public Transportation is FILTHY!

    1. Scott Davis Avatar
      Scott Davis

      Take the metro in London — you’ll end up with black snot the next day. And that was 15 years ago…

  158. KevinF Avatar
    KevinF

    This isn’t a “major new report”, it’s nothing but pure hype and obvious nonsense.

    1. Grand2833 Avatar
      Grand2833

      Thank you for that bit of common sense.

  159. odysseus660 Avatar
    odysseus660

    Let me guess. More car pools. My family will sit with some other loud rude people on cell phones. I love this left wing garbage.

  160. carlos Avatar
    carlos

    We are getting closer to enjoying a ride in The Jetsons car.

    1. steven reynolds Avatar
      steven reynolds

      It will be more like the Jetsons dumpster…enjoy the ride.

      1. carlos Avatar
        carlos

        Jetsons didn’t have a dumpster but thanks for being snarky.

        1. steven reynolds Avatar
          steven reynolds

          Git out of toon town and join the real world and think about how nasty these things will be.

          1. carlos Avatar
            carlos

            The world is going to hell. Enjoy the ride and a beer. Have a nice day.

          2. steven reynolds Avatar
            steven reynolds

            Wow,, I agree with you 100 %

  161. Mike . Avatar
    Mike .

    I ride a motorcycle. What happens to those? Will a riderless bike appear at my doorstep ready for me to hop on the back?

  162. Beaver Eater Avatar
    Beaver Eater

    Everyone will be fitted with their own personal baby stroller if we keep electing these freaking control freaks.

  163. Samster Avatar
    Samster

    Not if we the people have any say. Wishful thinking from the NWO wanting to have us all in mass transit cattle cars–won’t happen if we remain free.

  164. ibeshrinkwrapped Avatar
    ibeshrinkwrapped

    bull shit.

  165. FreeToChoose Avatar
    FreeToChoose

    Idiots…..

  166. Ralloh Avatar
    Ralloh

    Thirteen years? Bull pucky. They will have to pry my steering wheel from my cold dead hands.

  167. Wally Avatar
    Wally

    A city in 13 years like Chicago, NY or LA? There will be nobody left except MS-13, black gangs and a few die hard gays and trendies. Trust me fly over country will still have big blocks and duallys rolling the coal.

  168. Jeve Stones Avatar
    Jeve Stones

    Total BS. This might work in major cities, but much later than 2030. This article forgets that demand drives markets. Will people give up the freedom that comes with vehicle ownership? Not in this lifetime. My favorite places to drive and frequent are dirt roads that aren’t on any GPS, and without electricity. It’s my opinion that people will reject this technology, environment be damned. The internal combustion engine is freedom.

  169. Katz P. Ajamas Avatar
    Katz P. Ajamas

    predicts that the everyone will have a job by 2030. While robots do all the complicated work, everyone else, as part of a government mandated fitness program, will take turns powering the public rickshaw network.

  170. biggerbeerfan Avatar
    biggerbeerfan

    “…a free ride because the local government has decided to make transport easier.”

    Hmm, seems like I’ve heard advice – or something – about being offered a “free ride”???

    1. carlos Avatar
      carlos

      If you like your car..you can keep your car.

  171. Western Avatar
    Western

    You are an idiot. What a maroon.

  172. Mr Happy Man Avatar
    Mr Happy Man

    That is 12 1/2 years away. I bought my last car that I just got rid of 13 years ago. Ie, my time of ownership is longer than this future scenario.
    So what does all this mean? That means I don’t buy it. 12 1/2 years isn’t a very long time. Especially given that AI has a lot of bugs to work out, as well as the fear of hacking.
    Futurists have been dramatically wrong repeatedly in the past. If one sees the exhibits and promises of the 1962 World’s Fair, which was all about futurism, we can see that the today is considerably different than what they predicted that 50 years from that date would be. The world of today resembles the world of 1962 much more than it resembles the world of the Jetsons. The thing that futurists repeatedly fail to grasp is that the average person simply doesn’t embrace every single innovation that comes along. Except in Seattle or Silicon Valley, the average person adapts to innovation only when necessary to do so – as that is when we can afford to do it. Which is why the world doesn’t look anything like the futurists predict.

    1. rentslave Avatar
      rentslave

      They didn’t realize that the Democrats’ 3-E-Egregious Egalitarian Equation would drain away precious resources that would have made that future possible.

  173. rentslave Avatar
    rentslave

    With all of the new parts I’ve put into my 1998 Cavalier,it should last until 2030.

    1. JRS Avatar
      JRS

      I had a Cav in ’93. That thing was a champ. Nothing to look at it ‘Chick Magnet’ but boy it got me there. That’s your thesis!

  174. LAURA KEY Avatar
    LAURA KEY

    Who and how will cattle be hauled from farm to farm? How will hay and feed be hauled? How will building supplies for barns, homes and fences? How about hauling new construction supplies?
    The snowflakes think it is all about them….. because they have tunnel vision. Farmers and ranchers have WIDER vistas.

    1. steven reynolds Avatar
      steven reynolds

      Shut up and eat your salad. And don’t e v e n think about cutting down a tree to build a n y t h i n g

  175. Ontime Avatar
    Ontime

    What if I want to go camping with my family amd we have a bunch of gear and the dog? How about when I drive out into the desert ro go shooting? How about when I need to replace part of a roof for my home or buy sheet material that is 4×8, or even buy and bring home 40 bags of concreat to pour a new slab for a shed? How about if a newborn just wont go to sleep at 3:30 am and you want to take them for a soothing drive?

    1. rentslave Avatar
      rentslave

      They think that everyone is a Democrat.

  176. Karen Callahan Avatar
    Karen Callahan

    Government would love it that people didn’t have their own personal cars. It is just one more step to a totalitarian government. Take away people’s freedom to drive where they want, when they want in their own personal cars. Control transportation, you control when and where citizens can go.

  177. Ge0ffrey Avatar
    Ge0ffrey

    Cowpie

  178. Stuck_in_Ca√→ Avatar
    Stuck_in_Ca√→

    I will be buried in my Camaro and that will happen well beyond 2030.

    1. steven reynolds Avatar
      steven reynolds

      I’m going to go out Bonnie and Clyde style in my suburban.

    2. JRS Avatar
      JRS

      F ya! So cool.

  179. Look787 Avatar
    Look787

    No one knows what 2030 is going to bring. Who knows, America might be in a Civil War by then

    1. rentslave Avatar
      rentslave

      We’re not now?

    2. carlos Avatar
      carlos

      2030: President Ivanka Trump.

  180. FloatingIdeas Avatar
    FloatingIdeas

    This is a great dream for people who live, work, go to school, and stay within a 10-20 mile area. This will do nothing for long-distance commuters, unless carpool options and school bus tactics are used.

    The major issues are people who enjoy life. Camping, long drives, motorcycles, beach goers, vacation people who would rather spend a couple hundred dollars driving to Disney rather than spending thousands flying.

    Keep your utopian style of being a lemming, follow everybody else like in the movie “Lego Movie,” and I will laugh as I drive by.

    The only thing that would entice me is having auto-pilot set to GPS. That would be a much nicer reality.

    1. FloatingIdeas Avatar
      FloatingIdeas

      Just keep singing “everything is awesome”

      1. carlos Avatar
        carlos

        Ray Stevens “Everything is beautiful”

        1. FloatingIdeas Avatar
          FloatingIdeas

          The streak

          1. carlos Avatar
            carlos

            He was a hit maker.

          2. steven reynolds Avatar
            steven reynolds

            Grampa voted democrat

    2. rentslave Avatar
      rentslave

      I do 95 per cent of my driving in a 10-20 mile area but this nonsense won’t help me.Tomorrow,I’ll drive to the barber shop,then get some milk at the store,then go home to change,then drive to the high school track,then drive to the gym,then drive home.What would that service cost?

      1. FloatingIdeas Avatar
        FloatingIdeas

        Oh….. it will be absolutely free. In fact, they will have cars deliver that stuff to you.

        1. FloatingIdeas Avatar
          FloatingIdeas

          The government will create even more sponges than they already have

  181. MikeR Avatar
    MikeR

    Fake news.

    1. JRS Avatar
      JRS

      The scary thing here is this genius got a tax payer paid grant to create this dreck. The Aussies are much tougher than this. Step up mates.

  182. MrClean417 Avatar
    MrClean417

    It’s the same problem with all things socialist. everyone will only take what they need. Right? Hasn’t worked yet, ever but the high and mighty still keep trying. I like the last line that deals with those of us in the suburbs.
    “Even in suburban and rural areas, where wait times and cost might be
    slightly higher, adoption is likely to be more extensive than generally
    forecast because of the greater impact of cost savings on lower incomes”
    Ya, when we take away everyone’s job and decide how much money they should get while working in the gulag, they’ll realize they will ride what we tell them. After all, we’re gutting their paycheck.
    And I used to think the absolute lunacy of the world portrayed in “Rollerball” was a hoot. 7 or 8 ultra wealthy men controlling the whole world. Only if the college trained sheep allow them.

  183. Bob Loblaw Avatar
    Bob Loblaw

    Thanks, but I’ll keep my car. Idiots.

  184. Dave Williams Avatar
    Dave Williams

    You can’t get GDP growth when all you are doing is replacing something with something else. And guess what , MORON, it will never happen in your lifetime or mine.

  185. GabbaGabba Avatar
    GabbaGabba

    I had the unfortunate opportunity to go to Denver last week. You would not believe the mass of cracker box, single unit, socialist utopian dwellings that are going up there. For those sheep who live their lives according to the globalist, central planners edict, when things go south, and you do not have wheels with which to high-tail it out of your wonderfully diverse cities, you will succumb to them. Bigly.

    1. rentslave Avatar
      rentslave

      If they hack the EBT system,there will be many mini-Mogadishus popping up.

  186. Brad Avatar
    Brad

    All you people dismissing this aren’t just wrong. You’re incredibly wrong. You’ll give up your car voluntarily because the benefits will be enormous. Even more so for autonomous driving.

    1. Pakvi Roti Avatar
      Pakvi Roti

      No I will not. Never.

    2. steven reynolds Avatar
      steven reynolds

      Name one benefit?

      1. Jack Hammer Avatar
        Jack Hammer

        Less people die on the roadways

        1. steven reynolds Avatar
          steven reynolds

          Prove it.

          1. Jack Hammer Avatar
            Jack Hammer

            Less morons driving = less morons running into cars and people. common sense

          2. steven reynolds Avatar
            steven reynolds

            so these tin cans are perfectly capable of never having accidents?

          3. Jack Hammer Avatar
            Jack Hammer

            They have already been tested and have shown to be FAR safer than human drivers.

          4. steven reynolds Avatar
            steven reynolds

            They are crashing all the freakin time

          5. Jack Hammer Avatar
            Jack Hammer

            No they aren’t. The rate of crashes or driver error is a fraction of humans.

          6. steven reynolds Avatar
            steven reynolds

            Yes they are. Besides, crashing is just a price we pay for one of our freedoms. I guess you dont care about freedoms. If this is such a grand idea, have you given up driving yet?

          7. Jack Hammer Avatar
            Jack Hammer

            30k people are killed on the road every year, many more are injured. The cost is high. driverless cars have already been tested and the rate of accidents is FAR less than humans. Go research it yourself.

          8. steven reynolds Avatar
            steven reynolds

            Im not going to worry about it . Not happening in my life time anyway.

          9. Jack Hammer Avatar
            Jack Hammer

            The rate of technological advancement doubles every few years now.

          10. GabbaGabba Avatar
            GabbaGabba

            How rich is it that you misspelled ‘common sense’?

          11. Jack Hammer Avatar
            Jack Hammer

            Ad hominem attacks are used by people that can’t make factual points.

          12. GabbaGabba Avatar
            GabbaGabba

            I’m not rebutting your point. I’m pointing out your initial misspelling. And the fact is, you incorrectly spelled the word ‘common sense’ when seeking to rebut Steven Reynolds while calling other people ‘morons’. Glad you corrected it. Now this thread is about nothing. Have a great night.

          13. Jack Hammer Avatar
            Jack Hammer

            Drunk Driving fatalities and crashes would be reduced significantly. No question

      2. Brad Avatar
        Brad

        Someone/thing else takes care of maintenance.

        Someone/thing else cleans it.

        Someone/thing else fuels it.

        You only pay for as much car as you use. No more than that.

        You can use different cars depending on your immediate need.

        That’s 5.

        1. steven reynolds Avatar
          steven reynolds

          I enjoy doing my own maintenance. Public transportation will never never come close to the cleanliness of my cars and trucks. I have different vehicles to handle the needs of the task at hand.
          Nice try.

          1. Brad Avatar
            Brad

            You’re free to pay two or three times in order to have multiple vehicles. Most people won’t because they’d rather not waste money on depreciating assets.

            Why do your own maintenance when you can share the costs with several other people? It’s a waste of your time/money.

            If you want a cleaner car, you can pay for the better car service. That’s called capitalism. If someone wants a cleaner car someone will provide that service.

            You haven’t even begun to think this through.

          2. steven reynolds Avatar
            steven reynolds

            you did not need to go past your first sentence. By the time you got to paragraph 2.. I see you are a good lil socialist.

          3. Brad Avatar
            Brad

            That’a not socialism. That’s the market providing something better (smarter) than individual ownership and people drivers. Capitamism will bring this regardless of what public transportation does.

            I’m not a socialist. I’m a capitalist, but in order to argue you have to name call.

          4. steven reynolds Avatar
            steven reynolds

            It’s socialism if you force others to participate in your plan of sharing this and that. Name calling is a lot different than calling you out on ideology..

          5. Brad Avatar
            Brad

            I named several that will apply to 90% of people. You may be an exception. But even that’s unlikely.

          6. steven reynolds Avatar
            steven reynolds

            This idea might be a good fit for the new generation of people these days. Hard to find someone over 25 that has ever even added air to a tire, or knows how.

    3. JRS Avatar
      JRS

      Blw me. You can pry me from my GTO.

    4. Jack Hammer Avatar
      Jack Hammer

      People are idiots on the road. This would save thousands of lives per year.

    5. GabbaGabba Avatar
      GabbaGabba

      You have an absolutely incorrect perspective on the American psyche. It’ll take generations of brainwashing to breed the car lover out of Americans. It’s in our blood. The Europeans will likely submit to this foolishness and loss of freedom (that is, after all what a car provides. Freedom) but V8 is STILL a religion to many and I’m not talking about the vegetable drink.
      I’ve never seen a Fast and Furious movie. But it’s pretty obvious, the next generation isn’t buying this Prius, battery powered crap any more than mine did. Muscle car sales are through the roof.

      1. JRS Avatar
        JRS

        God bless you GG.

        1. GabbaGabba Avatar
          GabbaGabba

          Vroom, vroom, JRS. You too.

  187. Jack Hammer Avatar
    Jack Hammer

    This sounds inevitable. You are all faggots

    1. steven reynolds Avatar
      steven reynolds

      Ya know, words like that can get you arrested these days.

  188. Spazzz Avatar
    Spazzz

    In 1970, Popular Mechanics said we’d all be flying helicopters by the turn of the century….

    1. Jack Hammer Avatar
      Jack Hammer

      Yeah but the Technology is here right now. It’ll happen

      1. JRS Avatar
        JRS

        Jack: I usually refrain from calling someone out: You have a cool handle and are probably a righteous dude/dudette. Live up to your name. Go buy a Mustang or something. Live a fulfilled life. No matter how short.

        1. Jack Hammer Avatar
          Jack Hammer

          If you need a car to fulfill you then you more serious problems. I can be cool and content with nothing or with everything

          1. JRS Avatar
            JRS

            Best success then.

  189. Greg Avatar
    Greg

    Until cars can be charged up for free by the sun electric cars being any kind of significant mode of transportation is just wishful thinking.

    1. Jack Hammer Avatar
      Jack Hammer

      New road technology allows you to charge your car as you drive. The UK is going to use it,

      1. Info warrior E Avatar
        Info warrior E

        Will it tow my boat to the lake and back without a charge?

          1. Info warrior E Avatar
            Info warrior E

            Sorry to burst your bubble but not one of these vehicles can pull a damn thing! You think they can pull the roof off my tesla so I can pull my fifth wheel as well?

          2. Jack Hammer Avatar
            Jack Hammer

            The benefit for society would be exponential. You’ll go along like everybody else.

          3. Info warrior E Avatar
            Info warrior E

            I don’t want to be like anybody else ever ewwww. I see these tech nerds riding in mini cars while I’m sitting in my truck cracking up at them and wondering why the male has devolved into a square!

          4. Jack Hammer Avatar
            Jack Hammer

            The technology is apolitical. These type of advancements will help do away with all of the left vs right nonsense that never ends.

          5. Info warrior E Avatar
            Info warrior E

            So your all for cutting everybody’s penis and clits off so there is no difference? Sorry man but ever heard of different strokes for different folks? Nobody wants to conform and nobody wants to be like everyone else. We want to make different amounts of money, we want to drink different kinds of beer, we want three brands of trucks to buy, and we want freedom! It’s odd that tech people or just weirdos in general actually think you can provide a single income to everybody and force them to live like a robot. Not gonna happen to many people will take advantage of every little part of tech till it collapses it’s called finding loopholes in stupid technology. This is why some people don’t use conformist sites like Facebook or instagram, it’s why some choose to put zero info out there for others to see. I go camping and boating I’m an American that travels I don’t sit in solidarity in a big city I think city boys don’t know much about anything. I’ll take my freedom and guns over anything this communist leftist ideology can provide. When the chips come for your wrists I’ll take the bullet!

          6. Jack Hammer Avatar
            Jack Hammer

            non-conformity is another form of conformity. Just look at all of the technology people use now. 20 years lots of “non-conformists” said they’d never get a cell phone, then they said they’d never get a smart phone. Automation will do away with a lot of jobs in the near future. a lot of people will end up unemployable. So unless you want to 3rd world crime rates in your neighborhood a universal basic income. Eventually Technology will make money obsolete

    2. JRS Avatar
      JRS

      Hell, how are they going to charge them in CA? Home of the dipstick, land of the utility challenged.

  190. juanjeremy2012 Avatar
    juanjeremy2012

    THIS IS ALL A PLAN TO CONTROL OUT LIVES AND MAKE US MORE DEPENDENT ON CORPORATIONS. I DONT KNOW ANYONE THAT WANTS A SELF DRIVEN CAR OR WHO WANTS THEIR DRIVEN CAR TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM SO THEY CAN BE FORCED TO USE UBER FOR EVERYTHING THEY DO. JUST SAY “NO” TO A FUTURE OF ENSLAVEMENT BY GLOBALIST CORPORATIONS LIKE AMAZON, UBER, FACEBOOK ETC…

    1. JRS Avatar
      JRS

      Or frozen pizza. That sh-t is awful.

  191. Slartibartfast Avatar

    There is so much wrong with this study that it’s hard to know where to start. So I won’t, except to say that the premise is as flawed as the proof. If cities are not willing to confiscate the earnings of all its inhabitants, they will collapse under the weight of their own hubris and waste. Survival and freedom exist in small units – small cities, towns, hamlets, and crossroads. Now, if you want to discuss hovercraft over current vehicles, THAT’S a conversation we can have.

  192. Info warrior E Avatar
    Info warrior E

    So this ride hailing service is gonna bring a one ton electric truck To my house and tow my boat to the lake for free? Hahah yeah they would truly love to conform Americans into their sick ideals of teaching children about tranny’s and giving us a ride in a vehicle expected to crash roughly two miles down the road. Tech is dying if you can’t see that then stop writing articles about it!

  193. KevinF Avatar
    KevinF

    I actually used to be an automotive market research analyst — one of the few in the world in my field, in fact. So let me explain what IMHO is the purpose of such a hyperbolic report as this. It’s NOT to accurately predict what will be happening in ten years. The purpose of this report, I’d say, is to fill a market demand for reports predicting what this report predicts. There are entrepreneurs in the field of self-driving cars and related “TaaS” ideas who are trying to pull money from venture capitalists or bankers; there are companies trying to get money or acquisitions from Investment bankers; there are even humble managers trying to push ideas in their corporations.

    What these folks are looking for is some apparently objective, third-party analyst providing “evidence” for their own wacky idea. No one actually thinks market research analysts have a crystal ball. It’s simply 3rd-party ammunition for your argument. If you can write such a report, you can sell it to these desperate people. I used to sell reports for $10,000 or more — literally emailing out the PDF file to customers as my deliverable — and my reports were merely sensible reports for middle managers forecasting slight changes in this or that market. Imagine what you can do in today’s tech-bubble market to these bro-entrepreneurs.

    So here we have a report predicting that the 260 million light vehicles currently in operation will be abandoned by EVERYONE within a few years. That the 17 million cars a year US new-car market will totally evaporate to zero in just a few years. That not only hipsters in San Francisco but also rednecks in Arkansas will lose all interest in vehicle ownership and rely on Uber to get around. Based on what actual evidence? None. Based on what trend? None. Don’t worry, this report will serve its purpose and sucker dumb journalists needing an article and venture capitalists who are spraying-and-praying money to every idea in sight. But, no one expects rational people to believe any of this horse shit.

    1. Info warrior E Avatar
      Info warrior E

      Most sensible explanation made!

    2. JRS Avatar
      JRS

      Let’s boil it down. Like every other left wing, elitist prediction, they punt it out there 30-50 years because they will be DEAD when the time comes and proves their theories wrong! (In the interim, our tax dollars fund these douche canoes).

    3. fcabanski Avatar
      fcabanski

      You hit the nail on the head.

  194. TAG Avatar
    TAG

    I live in a 100% cellular coverage service area negatively impacted by terrain. There are NO DISCOUNTS for that.

    Population 550. Nearest grocery store 6.8 miles on pavement. Humans outnumbered by cows by factor of five.

    I have to drive over two miles to call 911 and even then get “network failure” errors.

    Tell me about all this tech advancement

    1. Info warrior E Avatar
      Info warrior E

      Sounds like you have the life.

  195. Shawn Lerch Avatar
    Shawn Lerch

    Here we go! More social engineering by presenting absolute BS as “science”. Must be the same scientists that told us 30 years ago we would be a giant block of ice, and the same scientists that 20 years ago said New York would be under water. Now those charletons say it’s “Climate Change”. Same hoax, BS, propaganda scam science playbook for 30 years

    1. carlos Avatar
      carlos

      “Climate Change”.

      They’re already trying to get carbon taxes passed. That will hurt drivers even more with taxes for emissions. Guilt some into giving up the car because “the car industry has a fever”

  196. konc2 Avatar
    konc2

    These people have to be the most stupid carbon life forms on the planet, they obviously don’t live out in middle and rural America, so all of their ignorant blather is just that, blather.

    1. JRS Avatar
      JRS

      Freedom Konc. Enough said.

  197. NYC1977 Avatar
    NYC1977

    The heck with that. I love old cars and will never give them up.

    1. Info warrior E Avatar
      Info warrior E

      Here here

  198. Jose Alverez Avatar
    Jose Alverez

    Pretty funny, but maybe in New Joke City or Washington D.C..
    Written by another little ivory tower cretin.

  199. Rogertc1 Avatar
    Rogertc1

    In the North country electric cars do not do well making a 75 mile trip at 10 below zero. Why are there no underground subways in Lincoln Nebraska?

    1. Info warrior E Avatar
      Info warrior E

      Because trucks, mud tires, and freedom! God bless America!

      1. JRS Avatar
        JRS

        And jumper cables! The bigger the better!

  200. Nashville Jam Avatar
    Nashville Jam

    Seems hard to imagine now, but it makes sense to me. The one thing that doesn’t quite jibe is that it means a dramatic reduction in fossil fuel consumption. Electricity doesn’t grow on trees, it’s generated. Today, most of that generation comes from fossil fuels. That will continue to be the case for a long time to come because, as the author of the article points out over and over, lower cost is the main factor influencing consumer choice. And alternatives to fossil fuels will never be cheaper, without hidden costs like subsidies, especially if they are scaled up to try and capture a much larger share of total power generation because at that point the so-far hidden problems of trying to generate, retain and distribute power on a massive scale will become evident.

  201. RegisteredDemocrat Avatar
    RegisteredDemocrat

    How about the compared maintenance costs? Because I just spent $6300 to replace the battery pack in my wifes Leaf. That would last nearly 10 years of fuel + oil changes for my Fiesta which routinely gets 45mpg.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m a firm believer that all vehicles should be government owned and operated (100% autonomous of course) in the long run. Citizens should only have the privilege of ride-sharing or taking mass transit.

    1. Info warrior E Avatar
      Info warrior E

      Why should people be robots?

    2. Info warrior E Avatar
      Info warrior E

      Why should we be communist America?

    3. headachecured Avatar
      headachecured

      You actually admit to being a moron?

      1. Leone Avatar
        Leone

        Check his fake username and upvote record…We’ve seen this Lefty troll before…A frequent flier moron for sure.

    4. Info warrior E Avatar
      Info warrior E

      Ride sharing or buses are not a privelage it’s a punishment

  202. JV Avatar
    JV

    In 1963 they also predicted flying cars by 1980

    1. headachecured Avatar
      headachecured

      Dam! I want my flying car!!!

    2. Leone Avatar
      Leone

      We actually had flying cars in 1980…But nobody wanted to buy them…Where do you land? It’s a long crowded drive from the nearest airport…Just as soon drive straight home…Just saying.

  203. NotClauswitz Avatar

    I already don’t own a car, it’s useless to me since I own a truck. Living in the country things are different, and we don’t care how they do things in asphalt alley.

    1. Info warrior E Avatar
      Info warrior E

      God bless you

  204. Rogertc1 Avatar
    Rogertc1

    Transporters like on Star Trek will eliminate the need for any vehicles by 2031. I read this on the internet.

    1. AC7880 Avatar
      AC7880

      Nano Nano.

    2. Mina Avatar
      Mina

      Of course, then, that makes it true.

  205. Leone Avatar
    Leone

    I call BS….Nobody is giving up their cars or their freedom to travel, at will, except the city dwelling metrosexual Left….And most of them already take taxis.

    Personally, I prefer my pickup truck for its towing capacity and utility…But to each their own.

    1. Mina Avatar
      Mina

      I have three large piles of limbs and twigs in the back yard ready to haul to the land fill to be composted to produce natural gas to power Atlanta City vehicles. Mayor of Atlanta “Mr Toonerville Trolley” now says he wants every city vehicle to run on natural gas by some future year. Hopefully we can vote that socialist out and he can move to California. I can’t put the piles in the front, because there is not enough space between the mail box and the new construction next door. So, I guess I’ll have to wait for an electric self-driving truck to come along and what…?

  206. AC7880 Avatar
    AC7880

    Yeah right. In only 13 years most cars will be gone. LOL!!! Who believes this kind of tripe?

  207. paganpink Avatar
    paganpink

    I would bet 50 thousand dollars that this prediction- LIKE SOLAR- will not happen! And the notion that increasingly complex self driving vehicles will virtually last forever is nothing short of idiotic. The cost and benefits of the extraordinary energy density of fossil fuels has beaten silly forecasters like this fellow decade after decade. We still have less then 1% electric vehicles on the road after expending more then a trillion dollars of tax payers money pushing them in the last decade alone. Fake news. Fake scirnce. Fake predictions!

  208. headachecured Avatar
    headachecured

    BS!

  209. JDSoCal Avatar
    JDSoCal

    “Enormous uptake of solar”? On what planet is that, LOL.

  210. Info warrior E Avatar
    Info warrior E

    When the left want you to conform so badly ask yourself why.

    1. Bernard Marx Avatar
      Bernard Marx

      In a word- “CONTROL” ….

      😉

  211. Stephen A. Weiss Avatar
    Stephen A. Weiss

    At first glance and without finishing the report I think it’s incorrect and in areas of the United States in which I have lived TaaS is very, very impractical. In example my permanent primary residence lies in a geographically restrained physical area wherein no more than 80,000 people reside over an area approximately 20 miles wide measured North to South and 100 miles long East to West separated by a major river ranging in width from as little as 200 yards and as wide as one mile with no more than 7 bridges in total. An additional factor working against a prophecy such as this report is an extremely high character trait of individualism and practical situations such as the occasion in which an individual has need for emergency medical transportation to one of the three hospitals over the entire area.

  212. ohiograndma Avatar
    ohiograndma

    This article reveals a complete misunderstanding of how rural areas operate.

  213. tvor03 Avatar
    tvor03

    “By 1963, we will have a dozen permanent colonies on the moon… “

    1. Bernard Marx Avatar
      Bernard Marx

      Sure! And it will look like “Space 1999″….

      😉

  214. NoMoreMrNiceGuy Avatar
    NoMoreMrNiceGuy

    No one will be eating sandwiches in 2030.

  215. T E Lawrence Avatar
    T E Lawrence

    I will be 82 in 2030, probably legally blind & I wont give a hoot!

    What difference does it make????????????

  216. Gordon Fraser Avatar
    Gordon Fraser

    They’d have to pry my car from my dead fingers. I concede gov may force it upon the city dwellers but they bloody deserve it.

  217. Maria-Erlinda Martinez Avatar
    Maria-Erlinda Martinez

    Like “The Cloud” (i.e., the more than three decades old dream of Oracle’s Larry Ellison, of replacing personal, autonomous, computers into dumb-terminals hooked to servers that will host all what those terminals will request…if allowed by the powers that be, which one day could be government), this ruse of “fleet-owned transportation” is another step towards collectivization. The day government is leftist enough, it will take possession of “The Cloud” and fleet-owned transportation, along with healthcare (which is where Obamacare points to), and so forth.

    Of course, the “ultimate aim” (Marx’s) is the world as a ONE community, i.e., world communism. It is all in Marx’s and Engels’ writings; just read what those sadomasochist psychopath maniacs, and their followers, wrote, and keep writing, and pushing for…and in the process, causing terrible horrors, as what last century saw in the, thank God, Soviet Union and its satellites, Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy (fascism, and its cousin, Nazism, are forms of socialism, and any form on socialism is, in varied degrees, a steppingstone towards communism, i.e., “the ultimate aim”). Of course, despite the canard of complete equality, there will always be those who finagle creating a cusp that they escalate and become the rulers, and live like kings, while making the “masses” live like worker-ants, to which effect those rulers employ all forms of suppression, repression, and subjugation. Try to watch on Youtube the Costa-Gavras’ French movie “The Confession” (L’aveu, in French) with Yves Montand and Simone Signoret. [Gavras is an idealist communist who, however, denounces the inherent horrors committed in the name of socialism and communism.]

    Some fools still adhere to socialism and communism; which, in free societies, they are unrestrained. But the huge problem is that in their maniacal pursuit of their sadomasochistic utopia, they will keep harming millions and millions. But they are very cunning; for example, they call themselves “progressives”, term which has is origin in this context, in Marx’s contention that humanity is, per his distorted materialistic dialectic interpretation of humanity’s past and present, and envision of its future, humanity is inevitably “progressing” toward his version of socialism, as a inevitable steppingstone toward “the ultimate aim”, his version of communism.

    Don’t be fooled by those who call themselves “progressive” knowing very-well what the term means (e.g., Hillary, Obama, Van Jones, Richard Durbin, Elizabeth Warren, and thousands of others in the ideology/doctrine/praxis nucleus of the Democrat Party…which should not to be confounded with the DNC, although the two overlap to some extent). Many ignoramuses pick the term “progressive” and tag it upon themselves out of their crass ignorance, as, a prima face, it sounds very attractive. Rest assured that is not as real progress, as in science, medicine, engineering, technology, etc; it is “progress” to proto-human kind of life, if that can be called living.

    Of course there are millions of bastardized free-enterprise operators who, in the pursuit of even a meager one dollar profit will help materialize Lenin’s prophesy: “The capitalists will sell us the ropes with which we will hang them.”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0fdaba04c230295e8728902e2338d048d7684db7668a5b55f107b04bfa26ee17.jpg

  218. JDH Avatar
    JDH

    not going to happen….people still like to control their destiny!

  219. LINYRoadKing Avatar
    LINYRoadKing

    Lol these are the same people who told use the polar ice caps would be gone by 2005, half the costal regions would be under water by 2010 and in the 1980’s they said within 20 years everything would be fully automated. What people have to realize is federally funded programs within tech and science have to put out exaggerated predictions to keep their grant money coming in. Will their be self driving cars probably. Will they be mandatory lol come on. You’re going to tell a rural family they have to surrender their cars and trucks to use services that will charge up the ass lol. Maybe the urban brain dead liberaltards but it will be impossible to cover the hundreds of millions who want independent free travel.

  220. Bernard Marx Avatar
    Bernard Marx

    “Speed is the freedom of soul”…..

    😉

  221. mcc99 Avatar
    mcc99

    On-demand transport is very attractive. But it lacks the level of convenience that pvt. car ownership provides. When ppl want to go somewhere, they want to leave immediately, typically. Waiting even 10 mins. for a ride to arrive is enough to break the system. The only rsn ppl in big cities put up with waiting for taxis and uber rides is b/c they can’t afford to own a car in that city. Being eco-conscious has nothing to do with the decision. Autonomous cars may be popular in big cities when they get loose. They may put taxis and uber drivers out of business. Fine. But don’t kid yourselves into thinking suburbanites and country folk will gladly wait 10-30 mins for an auto. car to show up to take them somewhere. Ppl may buy self-driving cars, yes, but forego ownership to wait for an auto. car to appear? This economic decision has already been made when considering taxis and ubers in suburbs and in the countryside. The ppl have already spoken. They’d rather own than wait for a car to come and get them.

  222. Jane Dowe Avatar
    Jane Dowe

    Bull$#it. People will still own cars. I take this article with a boulder sized grain of salt. Cars are ingrained in the psyches of Americans
    Back in 1963, these same yy5pes of people predicted thst we’d all have flying cars by 1973.

  223. Done Avatar
    Done

    Retarded liberal hacks…. I forsee in 13 years the writer of this trash will be handing me my food at the DRIVE THRU….

  224. oahumike Avatar
    oahumike

    They’ll have to pry my SUV from my cold, dead hands.

  225. Old Sod Avatar
    Old Sod

    You will see a paperless bathroom first.

  226. Bernard Marx Avatar
    Bernard Marx

    And by 2055 Teleportation will pull the plug on the snazzy “Autonomous Car Industry”…..

    😉

  227. Freeway Avatar
    Freeway

    1st) I will always prefer to drive myself as long as I am able. The independence of driving without being tracked by some rideshare’s software is also appealing.

    2nd) Self driving cars are at a MINIMUM 10 years away. And once they get here it will take ANOTHER 10 years to be able to drive on almost every road.

  228. Ron Johnson Avatar
    Ron Johnson

    Will this car put my boat in the water?

    I’m calling BS on the whole thing

    1. Jack Hammer Avatar
      Jack Hammer

      WIll your ability to put your boat in the water save 30k lives on the road every year?

      1. steven reynolds Avatar
        steven reynolds

        So we should all just sit in our little cube house and look at each other for fun .Bow to the picture of the latest eco god of the time. Ask for permission to go outside and get our allotment of sunshine…I just dont want to live in your world at all , any, none

      2. Ron Johnson Avatar
        Ron Johnson

        If putting my boat in the water saves 1 person its worth it.

        You realize the author is completely out of touch with reality, don’t you?

    2. hammerstamp Avatar
      hammerstamp

      It’ll put the boat and the car in the water and then give you a fireworks show when the battery explodes.

      1. Ron Johnson Avatar
        Ron Johnson

        Probably programmed to never get closer than 20′ to water

  229. Hillbilly_WV Avatar
    Hillbilly_WV

    “Why is this? Because everything will be cheaper.”

    When has this ever happened?

    1. Freeway Avatar
      Freeway

      I know right? Like they never heard of inflation. A regular size candy bar is now around $1.29 at a convenience store. I remember it costing $0.50 20 years ago.

  230. Orlin Pettit Avatar
    Orlin Pettit

    Wishful thinking run amok… by someone who, if I were to hazard a guess, lives in New York City.

  231. Dan Egan Avatar
    Dan Egan

    The author’s vision seems to be based on an assumption of free electricity.

    1. sleeperd Avatar
      sleeperd

      Isn’t that incredible..!? I’ve often asked proponents of electric cars… many of whom profess to be strident “enviromentalists”.. who hate coal fired power plants… WHERE WILL YOU GET THE ELECTRICITY TO POWER TENS OF MILLIONS OF AUTO’s..???
      Most often I’m met with a blank stare.

      1. Jack Hammer Avatar
        Jack Hammer

        Solar technology on Roads. geothermal, wave, solar, wind. Its all out there

        1. sleeperd Avatar
          sleeperd

          Yes.. and they’re all so wildly successful because they’re all so cost effective…

          1. Jack Hammer Avatar
            Jack Hammer

            Everything is becoming less and less cost effective. our debt and money expansion and borrowing will make all of this inevitable. System will fail

          2. sleeperd Avatar
            sleeperd

            Jack… I have no idea what you’re talking about….
            Do you…???

          3. Jack Hammer Avatar
            Jack Hammer

            Most people don’t. We have over 3 trillion dollars in circulation right now, we had about 800 billion 10 years ago. So things have become more expensive, outsourcing has increased along with part time employement. consumer debt rises coupled with 1.3 trillion in student debt, all while running over a 20 trillion national deficit that we will never pay back. has any of this gotten you rich? no. system will fail soon

  232. Robert Catt Avatar
    Robert Catt

    No doubt the article was written by Elon Musk

  233. Johnny Wendigo Avatar
    Johnny Wendigo

    G..

  234. sleeperd Avatar
    sleeperd

    Like so many other elements of our society, the operation of automobiles has become feminized. I offer the notion that most women – not all – but most do not enjoy driving a 3,000 lb. moving vehicle at any substantial speed. The industry has responded by encumbering autos with every device possible to relieve the driver of any responsibility, i.e., engine lites, GPS systems, backup videos, etc. etc… all of which have added tens of thousands to the cost of a new vehicle… and made it virtually impossible to do any work on the vehicle yourself.
    Most auto insurance commercials are designed to scare the daylights out of women by elucidating all the horrible things that can happen to you when driving a car…(“I totaled my car by smashing it into a tree.. and the insurance co. will only pay for 3/4 of the cost…”)
    The entire movement to force driverless cars on us is nirvana to many women.. and now some metrosexual males.
    The auto industry is being emasculated.

    1. Bernard Marx Avatar
      Bernard Marx

      Why I buy pre 1996 vehicles – easier to work on and less of the b.s. you stated

    2. happy1ga Avatar
      happy1ga

      If it makes you feel any better, there’s still a few of us old school, Gen X gals around. I drive a 69 Dodge Charger with a Bulldog .44 on the seat beside me when I’m alone. When I have any of my 8 grandchildren with me, it is relegated to the lockbox under the seat. 🙂
      I am definitely anti emasculating males! The sheer criminality is mind boggling. 6 of my grandchildren are fine young males & I will not stand for anyone feminizing or demonizing them. Over my dead body, and that .44 is ALWAYS loaded.

      1. sleeperd Avatar
        sleeperd

        Then you go, girl… locked and loaded.

  235. hammerstamp Avatar
    hammerstamp

    I have a feeling this idea will receive a collective middle finger from those who like doing their own driving.

  236. CFLAP Avatar
    CFLAP

    Corporate greed is going to kill the auto industry. cars are already unaffordable without 7-10 year financing.

    1. Jack Hammer Avatar
      Jack Hammer

      applause

    2. Mina Avatar
      Mina

      The price per basic vehicle cannot rise about the ability of the average joe to buy one. Not for long. If the companies cannot sell enough they go out of business. In capitalism there should be competitors starting up to under sell. We need to protect the small businesses. If not then we will be like V in SA. They are starving down there under socialism.

  237. Joe Mcg Avatar
    Joe Mcg

    Americans will not give up their freedom.

    1. Bernard Marx Avatar
      Bernard Marx

      FRRrrrEeeedooooom!!

  238. Jim Gonzales Avatar
    Jim Gonzales

    I also want to see them drive in the snow. Would never put my life in the hands of one of these during winter period.

  239. bobussery Avatar
    bobussery

    Fake news, way bogus projections…sponsored news = sales pitch.

  240. Jolat Avatar
    Jolat

    Keep dreamin

  241. Doug Day Avatar
    Doug Day

    Cities. Big cities.

  242. Shadowking Avatar
    Shadowking

    American individualism says “No.”

  243. Jack Hammer Avatar
    Jack Hammer

    Americans will be conditioned to accept Taas as the norm and Individual driving as the exception over time. Rural areas will not be as economically viable. And as we can all see the rest of the world is immigrating here, Mexico, South America, India and especially the chinese. The US population will grow and grow. will Reach 1 billion by 2100

  244. Eric Meckes Avatar
    Eric Meckes

    With country’s moving more toward VAT Tax’s which increases taxation on every single part that goes into the manufacturing of a vehicle, within 10 years nobody will be able to afford a car anyway, with average prices already creeping upward so drastically, the average car is already up into the high 40’s to high 50’s, once Governments are able to gain complete control over our transportation, our healthcare, our living accommodations and what we can and cannot eat, it will be game over for freedom. And by the way, this person who made all the claims must be another Al Gore Barack Obama buddy like their friends who tried to sell us Solyndra, ended up costing the taxpayers billions between all their now defunct solar companies which I’m sure have paid them both handsomely with OUR money.

  245. Jolat Avatar
    Jolat

    Will they make an autonomous electric vehicle with 707 horsepower like the dodge hellcat? I’m sure the owners of those cars didn’t care much about their monthly budget allotment. You see my dear Aussie neighbors, efficient and cost effective does not apply to everything. Especially here in America. Enjoy your drones. We have GT’s, SS’s, SRT’s and AMG’s. See you at the finish line.

  246. topknot Avatar
    topknot

    I paid $1000.00 for the very used car I drive…

    The internal combustion engine is the most beautiful thing humans ever invented. Sorry, EV nerds… IC cars are and will be king until the last drop of oil runs dry.

  247. Duocore2 Avatar
    Duocore2

    Can you say virus?

  248. dave davies Avatar
    dave davies

    MAY IS PERSECUTE A BAPTIST MONTH IN THE USA…PLEASE DO NOT HIRE OR RENT TO A BAPTIST

  249. factscount Avatar
    factscount

    Stupid people writing stupid predictions that can never come true. Freedom to move independently is the order of this day, yesterday, and tomorrow day. This idea is from an entrepreneur who will never be.

  250. rob Avatar
    rob

    Will such a future increase the use of coal to generate electricity?

  251. Ann_Banisher Avatar
    Ann_Banisher

    Ok, even if you assume that its all autonomous electric cars in the near future, how does that reduce congestion? People are still traveling on the road.
    Where does all the new electricity comes from? Unless the grid is powered by nuke or hydro, it’s still carbon based.
    This is just delusion piled on top of fantasy.

  252. azgirl Avatar
    azgirl

    The really cool thing is that they will be pollution-free because they are electric. /sarc However, the places where the electricity comes from may be another matter.

  253. factscount Avatar
    factscount

    If our education system keeps producing these empty-headed freaks, this could happen!!

  254. PRONESE Avatar
    PRONESE

    Rethink, Please keep your chart remarks to yourselves. Most of Us are not buying it.

  255. Gomez Addams Avatar
    Gomez Addams

    Yes, and as Ted Danson predicted, the earth will be uninhabitable (global warming) by the year 2000. Nim-rods …

  256. krisatkins Avatar
    krisatkins

    Never happen. No electric vehicle could ever go where I did this weekend. Plus, no cell service available to call for pickup.

  257. azgirl Avatar
    azgirl

    Or another possibility is, once they have somewhat of a monopoly on transportation, it might cost you 20 bucks to take a ride around the block.

  258. ben Avatar
    ben

    Wow this article must have made it into the feed of a right wing nut job group in the USA, judging by the comments.

    1. Jack Hammer Avatar
      Jack Hammer

      Just reactionaries. Critical thinking and analysis is hard work.

      1. ben Avatar
        ben

        For a moment there I was taking them seriously.

        1. Jack Hammer Avatar
          Jack Hammer

          People are averse to change. I’m more center-right but i see technology as alleviating stupidity in society and fixing things rather than politics

          1. disqus_9gWXa5XKeC Avatar
            disqus_9gWXa5XKeC

            Oh I agree. I’d characterise myself as a moderate centrist politically with a heavy science-technology bent. The major benefits to society, IMHO, have come through technology – mass vaccination, mass communication, the internet, rollout of sewerage systems, mass production, agricultural systems and so on. I see the future of clean scale-out distributed solar and storage, smart grids, AEVs, automation etc dealing with much of the “stupidity alleviation”.

          2. Gomez Addams Avatar
            Gomez Addams

            In other words, a Nerd in momma’s basement who has never kissed a girl

          3. disqus_9gWXa5XKeC Avatar
            disqus_9gWXa5XKeC

            Well I am certainly a nerd

          4. Gomez Addams Avatar
            Gomez Addams

            Ta-Daaaa … a moment of agreement ! Now, if only the demon-cats and re-pubic-ans could learn that art of political compromise …

          5. disqus_9gWXa5XKeC Avatar
            disqus_9gWXa5XKeC

            While I can’t really comment on American politics, I really have to wonder how you are going to possibly forge a consensus, if the sort of dialogue I have seen on the internet is any example. Such hyperpartisanism is not going to do your country any good whatsoever. I wish you all the best.

          6. Jack Hammer Avatar
            Jack Hammer

            There are no solutions politically. Technology is the only thing that can “save” us.

          7. Gomez Addams Avatar
            Gomez Addams

            She BLINDED ME with SCIENCE !!

          8. disqus_9gWXa5XKeC Avatar
            disqus_9gWXa5XKeC

            That’s what I’m beginning to think to. Look at energy. We’re now seeing the potential for energy efficiency at the domestic and industrial levels contributing to a massive reduction in demand, and thus CO2e emissions. Same for scale out solar, domestic batteries and so on

    2. Gomez Addams Avatar
      Gomez Addams

      Yes, we deplorables are an ignorant, snot-slinging, teeth-deprived and IQ-deprived lot. We soooooooo depend on the intellectual pontification of self-appointed arbiters of truth such as yourself. Do continue with your wisdom, so I’ll know what to do with myself tomorrow. And then go eff yourself.

      1. ben Avatar
        ben

        Thanks for your kinds words Gomez. You really shouldn’t be so hard on yourself. I really liked the TV show you were in, what have you been up to since?

        1. Gomez Addams Avatar
          Gomez Addams

          Eating boogers and slavishly voting democrat since the show ended in the 1960s. It’s worked out well for the country, don’t you think ?

          1. disqus_9gWXa5XKeC Avatar
            disqus_9gWXa5XKeC

            From where I am sitting? Keep voting Democrat, Gomez!

          2. Gomez Addams Avatar
            Gomez Addams

            Where are you sitting? On a whoopie cushion?

  259. George Makrauer Avatar

    Their model-contrived stats and charts notwithstanding, the “death of private car ownership” is total crap… period.

    1. Jack Hammer Avatar
      Jack Hammer

      New cars are getting more expensive. Monetary policy has priced out a lot of people and it will get worse. This will end up being necessary, People will still own cars sometimes, but it’ll be older cars. no more new ones, except for the super rich.

  260. JSpicoli Avatar
    JSpicoli

    Such a blowhard nerd fantasy. Because computer controlled everything is he answer.

    No one alive today will ever see the day when there are truly autonomous vehicles on an open roadway in the United States or anywhere on earth

    Our current roads will not sustain them. And there is a major logic problem of decisions that is being taken for granted

  261. James Matters Avatar
    James Matters

    No one is going to steal off in the night with their girlfriend by calling for a pod…

    1. Jack Hammer Avatar
      Jack Hammer

      He’ll have to take her out in an older used car. new cars will be out most peoples price range

      1. James Matters Avatar
        James Matters

        Where have you been for the last 15 years?

        1. Jack Hammer Avatar
          Jack Hammer

          Monetary policy will make everything more expensive. Already has. Credit will get tighter, less people will buy new cars

          1. James Matters Avatar
            James Matters

            Its the EPA, CPA and NHTSA that’s already taken care of affordability. 28 years ago you could buy an affordable Civic that got 50mpg. Then the government stepped in and mandated all kinds of equipment that loaded down cars requiring bigger engines, which required bigger chassis which required bigger suspensions, which required bigger brakes, which required more horsepower… And the spiral keeps getting worse.

  262. Pat Patterson Avatar
    Pat Patterson

    Utter hogwash by people wasting to sell us a utopian bill of goods!

  263. RightLeaner Avatar
    RightLeaner

    yeah, yeah, yeah. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Blah, blah, blah. If anything else, it’s a dystopian dream to control our coming and goings. No freedom to come and go as you please.

    1. Jack Hammer Avatar
      Jack Hammer

      What will happen will be that new cars will be phased out, by a result of inflation and cost and by design. You’ll still find used cars but TaaS will become very common too.

      1. Hedley Lamar Avatar
        Hedley Lamar

        So you’re saying the U.S. auto fleet will look like a newer version of Cuba and we’ll have to make our own replacement parts like they do.

        1. Gomez Addams Avatar
          Gomez Addams

          What are you worried about? It’s 1868 … you can sue her !

          1. Hedley Lamar Avatar
            Hedley Lamar

            Good one!

  264. Tyler Avatar
    Tyler

    That 3rd graph of projected sales is laughable. It’s going to level out at 17 million for the next 5 yrs before a huge decline from 17million to almost 0 in the span of 4yrs until almost nobody owns their own car. Ha, not a chance!

  265. NutherGuy Avatar

    You really cannot make this shirt up. You just can’t.

    There are half a dozen articles every day now that I think would justify a lawsuit by The Onion. Maybe they’re not plagiarism but they’re so obviously copycatting the Onion idea that they ought to pay a royalty.

    THIS gets today’s prize and I’m not going to bother explaining the basics about which this guy has no clue.

  266. jimbopeep Avatar
    jimbopeep

    Yeah right. Just like the gore and obama predictions. A gut full of crap trying to scare someone. It is all BS. The climate change, CO2 scares, etc.

  267. wjr123 Avatar
    wjr123

    This must be the same bunch that thought Solyndra was a great deal.

  268. happy1ga Avatar
    happy1ga

    Sounds horrible. Hope I’m dead by then.

  269. Bridger54 Avatar
    Bridger54

    So the government and their toy cars will come haul my wood? Or will they take the trailer into the back country for me? That would be great. Hey, could you help plow my 1/4 mile of driveway in the winter as well, I can’t tell you how I am looking forward to that. We can even take the snow machines out on one. The future is going to be great!

  270. St Joe Blues Avatar
    St Joe Blues

    This is just more claptrap from the Agenda 21 crowd. These loonies will do anything they can to control people. There are too many freedom-loving people for this to happen.

  271. AuldGuy Avatar
    AuldGuy

    I got 20 bucks sez ur wrong…

  272. Golfendude Avatar
    Golfendude

    Come and try to take mine away please!

    1. Jack Hammer Avatar
      Jack Hammer

      If 2 DHS dump trucks came to your neighborhood to collect firearms tomorrow you would hand them over.

      1. squirefld Avatar
        squirefld

        Sorry. Not in the United States.

        1. Jack Hammer Avatar
          Jack Hammer

          We’ve put people in internment camps so anything can happen

          1. squirefld Avatar
            squirefld

            Only Democratic Franklin D. Roosevelt has done that to citizens. Well, if the Democratics regain power, maybe so.

  273. Mr_Milmont Avatar
    Mr_Milmont

    You can pry my Harley and vintage Vette out of my cold dead hands.

  274. C Dartagnan Avatar
    C Dartagnan

    I’ll stash this little predictive gem right in the basement alongside the super hurricanes, solar roads, head transplants and colonies on Mars that we can expect in the next 20 years.

  275. Wrong_track Avatar
    Wrong_track

    This guy is delirious and knows nothing – – – –

  276. Hedley Lamar Avatar
    Hedley Lamar

    So….an ad for Tesla stock….

  277. rlhailssrpe Avatar
    rlhailssrpe

    The probabilities of this Nirvana are close to zero. One huge, unmentioned issue is risk. Autonomous vehicles, in their infancy, have already killed more people than all of the US nuclear power plants. If the legal standard of strict liability is applied, a reasonable decision per this article, the industry may vanish. Off normal events, snow storms, a deep puddle, deer on the road, are very difficult for electronics. They have no mercy, will happily drive off a cliff.

    And the second issue is the energy supply, a grid that does not exist, built of break-through technologies, which do not exist. And may never commercially exist.

    File this under dreams, invest in carbon fuel extraction, pay your light bill and save for your next car.

  278. Jack Hammer Avatar
    Jack Hammer

    lot of nutters said they’d “never get cell phones” too.

    1. HoReeFook Avatar
      HoReeFook

      Shared ride=Mersa, vomit, love juice….think Taxi Driver…..Are you talkin’ to me?

  279. Gordon Preston Brown Avatar
    Gordon Preston Brown

    One more avenue of control of the masses. Sorry, Charlie, I am not going to use your car rental service. I will continue to drive myself to where I want to go and when.

    1. Jack Hammer Avatar
      Jack Hammer

      Alex Jones would be proud.

      1. Red-Pilled Conservative Avatar
        Red-Pilled Conservative

        You can feel free to take the bus while waiting for your fairy dust-powered autonomous death trap. Me and my ’62 T-Bird are going cruisin’.

        1. Jack Hammer Avatar
          Jack Hammer

          It’s funny that you are conservative and use red pill jargon considering the originators of that phrase are far left kooks and one is a transgender.

          1. Red-Pilled Conservative Avatar
            Red-Pilled Conservative

            I’m not sure what that has to do with anything. I’m sure that a lot of Ford’s stockholders are also loony moonbats, but that never stopped me from buying their product.

            My “red pill” moment came when I realized that the Red Team and the Blue Team are just two sides of the same DC duopoly, which has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of this article. Troll harder, Jack.

          2. Jack Hammer Avatar
            Jack Hammer

            the term “red pill” comes from the matrix. The creators of the Matrix are far left kooks. To compare that to shareholders at a car company is naive.

          3. Red-Pilled Conservative Avatar
            Red-Pilled Conservative

            Again, what does it matter who originated the term? It isn’t as though “red pill” has exclusive currency to the far left just because it was conceived by a couple of loony kooks.

            “Red pill” denotes a moment of having become “awoken” to a truth. Truth isn’t a left-wing or right-wing concept. It just is. My analogy is therefor valid.

  280. DooDooMcGhee Avatar

    I predict RethinkX will be out of business within 2 years as the idea of disruption is as antiquated as the term Web 2.0. “Disruption” is just a buzz word that is quickly losing traction. Companies don’t want disruption, they say they do, but in reality they often pay money to find potential disruptions and then spend more money to buy their way out of the cross-hairs. Sear’s and JC Penny’s are pretty much the only two companies that have felt a “disruption”.

  281. Zardoz Wiz Avatar
    Zardoz Wiz

    fake news by fake writers offering fake bullshytte as news. media comedy at its worst. cheaper to operate? cheaper to insure? cheaper to buy? dont make me laugh. most of this will be forced by laws made by socialist progs after they seize power. get stuffed

  282. Sailordude Avatar
    Sailordude

    I’m in the top 1% now, so I’ll be in the minority as far as auto owners come 2030. The classes separate more and more. But I’m calling fake news on this one anyway. Maybe in 30 years, not 13.

  283. Jack Hammer Avatar
    Jack Hammer

    13 years ago the Smart Phone didn’t exist. Now it rules billions of lives. Things change fast

  284. allessior Avatar
    allessior

    I’m in the technology business. Anything that is software driven is inhehrently unreliable. Flying an airplane via automation is 1 billion times easier than driving cars via an automaton because there are simply too many cars, landmarks, people, and non-deterministic dynamics. It WILL BE A DISASTER and the many accidents will destroy it’s own market.

    1. Jack Hammer Avatar
      Jack Hammer

      40,000 people died in car accidents in the US last year over 4 million injured, driving is getting less safe.

      1. HoReeFook Avatar
        HoReeFook

        Due to distraction….err cell phone usage while driving. Go play in driverless traffic.

      2. C Dartagnan Avatar
        C Dartagnan

        Actually automobile deaths peaked in 1969 at a rate of about 26 per every 100k in population (with the exception of 1933 – 1937 and 1941) and have decreased ever since. In 2014 the rate was about 10.25 per 100k people and considering that miles driven annually have increased at the same time, from 1.11 million miles per year to 3.02 million per year during the same time period, it’s a lot less serious than you’re making it sound. In fact, deaths overall from automobile accidents has declined.

      3. allessior Avatar
        allessior

        Software is even worse. You can’t even get 99.000% availability (referred to as “2 Nines”) from software, and it is more like 90.000%, or “One Nine”. Therefore, your outages per day caused by software bugs would be somewhere between 14mins and 2.5hrs. Even 5 seconds of outage in a car will cause a crash.

        If you assume 14mins per day, that is 365 x 14mins = 5,110mins = 85mins per year. 85mins/5sec = 5100sec/5sec = 1,020 accidents per year PER CAR, assuming “2 Nines” Availability.

        If you assume “One Nine” availability, the more likely case for software, then you have 365 x 2.5hrs = 912.5 hrs/yr = 54,750 mins/yr = 3.3 million seconds/yr. 3.3mil sec/ 5sec = 657,000 accidents per year PER CAR.

        This does not include the hardware-induced accidents. Hardware is much more reliable but it will add to the 657,000 accidents per year per car caused by driverless cars.

        You can do the math for total accidents in the USA by multiplying the number of expected driverless cars by 657,000 accidents per car per year. Whoa!

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ae6670eff8be0d458cbb168b6d0a6dbd1973afa034d4f63e22707460cc5db3f.png

  285. HoReeFook Avatar
    HoReeFook

    Taas=Motion sickness, lack of privacy, potential hacking, liability, government control of trip route & destination, etc. Economics, please….it’s a surrender of personal liberty

  286. jbenson2 Avatar
    jbenson2

    Autonomous cars have to solve the legal nightmare first.

  287. david333 Avatar
    david333

    * What can be more palpably absurd than the prospect held out of locomotives traveling twice as fast as stagecoaches?
    * The Quarterly Review, March, 1825
    * That the automobile has practically reached the limit of its development is suggested by the fact that during the past year no improvements of a radical nature have been introduced.
    * Scientific American, January 2, 1909.

    * With over fifteen types of foreign cars already on sale here, the Japanese auto industry isn’t likely to carve out a big share of the market for itself.
    * Businessweek, August 2, 1968.

    1. Jack Hammer Avatar
      Jack Hammer

      Applause

    2. HoReeFook Avatar
      HoReeFook

      Malthaus, over population, ice age…1970’s. Al Douchebag Gore, “global warming, now “climate change”….

    3. Gilligan Jones Avatar
      Gilligan Jones

      ….
      This ‘telephone’ has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication.Western Union internal memo, 1876.

  288. Harvey42 Avatar
    Harvey42

    How does the state make up the revenue lost from speeding, reckless driving and DUI

    fines? Will riding in a autonomous vehicle while blotto become a crime?

  289. soononbluray Avatar
    soononbluray

    Pathetic graphs for a pathetic article. Probably produced by guys with those stupid manbuns on their heads.

  290. starrrgirl Avatar
    starrrgirl

    and what if you want to take your three large dogs to the vet?

    1. HoReeFook Avatar
      HoReeFook

      No problem. As long as they are wet, Ms. Jackie Hammer will play “red rocket” with them…..

    2. Christopher Mathieu Avatar
      Christopher Mathieu

      The statists have thought of everything.

      1. Gilligan Jones Avatar
        Gilligan Jones

        …what…you mean the part about them being able to track you even better 24 / 7…than do already? A key point that was not mentioned in the article…you think that might be a motivator…eh? They think we are dumb…

  291. Wooby Avatar
    Wooby

    NEVER. I strip away the old debris, that hides a shining car
    A brilliant red Barchetta, from a better, vanished time
    Fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar!
    Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime…

    1. HoReeFook Avatar
      HoReeFook

      Rush classic. You sir, have won the internet for the day!

  292. Tracksuit Al Avatar
    Tracksuit Al

    Buy a stick shift now as an investment.
    Driving a real car will become a luxury.

  293. Lowell Reed Avatar
    Lowell Reed

    Can I be the first or will I have to take a number and get in line to shout “BULLSHIT”!!!

  294. mac mcintire Avatar
    mac mcintire

    New York under water 2001, out of oil, 1999. Polar ice caps gone, 2010. Yeah, experts with there own agenda

  295. Paul Bunce Avatar
    Paul Bunce

    In thirteen years I’ll probably still have the cars I own now. But I may have to have a driver as I’ll be 84.

  296. JIm Kress Avatar
    JIm Kress

    In the war between Liberty (owning your own vehicle with freedom to travel wherever you want) and tyranny (Transport-As-A-Service that controls where and when you can travel), Liberty will win.

  297. soononbluray Avatar
    soononbluray

    No, Americans love the fun of driving their own vehicles way too much.

  298. IronHead Pete Avatar
    IronHead Pete

    To Dream…The Impossible dream!
    No Way this happens…who wrote this..this is idiotic~

  299. HoReeFook Avatar
    HoReeFook

    Sammy Hagar comeback…

  300. Chuckie Avatar
    Chuckie

    More fake news from the climate change nut bags!

  301. G2 Avatar
    G2

    Though seen in a movie I despise (Singles), Tom Skerret puts it pretty plainly.

    https://youtu.be/TK3wRamLsxY

  302. BC Avatar
    BC

    “AGENDA 21” people…or what is it now, AGENDA 2030 I’ve heard too…..don’t be deceived

  303. RETUSAF1995 Avatar
    RETUSAF1995

    In the 1930’s they were saying in the 80’s cars won’t have rubber wheels too. Today in 2017 i can’t believe we still have telephone wires and power lines on wooden poles lining the streets, same things we had at the turn of the century.

  304. Rally N Avatar
    Rally N

    This greenie idiot does not understand that the private automobile is not just transportation on demand, it is fundamentally one of few true expressions of freedom and personal identity that exist in the world today. Think of cars in those terms…..that aint going away anytime soon or ever. Notice that this lunatic isnt saying that personal clothes and styles are going away in 15 years in favor of generic, vanilla clothes that would be far cheaper and cleaner to produce.

    1. Tracksuit Al Avatar
      Tracksuit Al

      When you and I turned 16, we wanted to get our driver’s license. Things have changed. 16 year olds these days are getting their licenses at older ages. Now it’s their smart phone that is freedom. Driving a car was freedom for past generations but it isn’t as much anymore especially when mom and dad are tracking your location and speed.

      1. C Dartagnan Avatar
        C Dartagnan

        You must not have kids.

      2. Rally N Avatar
        Rally N

        Very true when we were 16, and cars were cheaper, particularly used cars. Kids are going for wheels later in life. My first car was a used 1969 Camero SS i bought when i was 17 for $1,300 from money i made in high school as a cook. My boys love their phones, but they also had used cars they loved too…..but i had to loan them money to buy them because their jobs didnt pay enough to afford a decent one.

  305. njlowrider Avatar
    njlowrider

    YOU LOOKING FOR TROUBLE? CAUSE YOU’LL GET IT! DON’T F##K WITH OUR CARS MOFO’S! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!

  306. Sagramore Avatar
    Sagramore

    Except for the fact that people love to drive and don’t want to take a taxi to the mini mart to buy a Gatorade.

  307. computerjockey Avatar
    computerjockey

    Horse crap. People like to drive. Cars aren’t going to be obsolete.

  308. AuldGuy Avatar
    AuldGuy

    More horse$#it from the left.

  309. Mick McCall Avatar
    Mick McCall

    We’ll all be drink’n that free Bubble Up and eat’n that rainbow stew.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRDOrCFIY4c

  310. party-defender-slayer Avatar
    party-defender-slayer

    Some of these writers was beamed aboard a Alien spaceship, and probed. I’m uncertain if the beaming, or probing, left them mad. PS– I was around, and operated heavy battery equipment, for 38 years. It did improve a lot, along with most things. But once you see a battery fire, or explosion. You won’t be that big on battery vehicles. PS– and it is common.

  311. Mina Avatar
    Mina

    Ain’t gonna happen despite the think tank’s graphs. Not in USA

  312. Dan Stalcup Avatar
    Dan Stalcup

    I predict this prediction will be radically wrong. People like owning their cars to much.

  313. Teddy Heaton Avatar
    Teddy Heaton

    What a load of crap.

    You do realize that cars didnt make people stop riding trains and horses, dont you?
    People will own cars forever, just like people will own tents, even though we invented houses while back.

    I think what you mean is ‘by 2030 you probably wont be allowed to drive cars inside of the socialist, wage-slave, prison cities’. I can certainly see THAT being true.

  314. D. Jackson Avatar
    D. Jackson

    HAHAHAHAH! That is complete liberal bullshit.

  315. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    60% drop in ownership. 100% increase in price. 50% fewer manufactures and models. 200% increase in repair costs. And what happens with the CYBERATTACK? BTW keep predicting Climate Change too.

  316. Stinky Man Avatar
    Stinky Man

    Drudge –> click-bait

  317. Sir Knight Avatar
    Sir Knight

    BS.

  318. Les Morpions Avatar
    Les Morpions

    So, 13 years is a flash and this sort of article is written or sourced by/from someone for whom 13 years is a large percentage of their total time on this Earth.

    Neckbeards, Millenials, SJWs, and college students stand down. Your predictions are stupid. Life is more than Periscope, earbuds and Twitter.

  319. Rick Mossop Avatar

    It would be so easy to car jack an autonomous car or truck. Just stand in front of it and it wouldn’t move and the people or goods could be looted at leisure.

  320. polyphemus777 Avatar

    Communist, utopian BS

  321. GTyrebiter Avatar
    GTyrebiter

    In the 70’s it was ‘Global Cooling’. It was a farce. Somewhere along the way it morphed into ‘Global Warming / Climate Change.’ Also a farce. Now this. OMFG.

    Libs hate oil / gas / coal. I ‘get’ it. What they don’t ‘get’ is that this will never fly . . . at least not until the oil / gas / energy in general companies, along with the auto industry (and all their associates) can control this new technology. The US congress would never allow such a thing until the people in those industries can be made part of the solution. I just don’t see that as ever happening and if it does happen it will be over a much longer period of time.

    In order for this scenario to have any traction it assumes the entire world will go along with it! DUDE! We can’t get the Russians, Chinese & Indians to comply with pollution standards! What on earth makes you think they’ll go along with this?? They all have the same energy base as us! It’s gonna take time for any such idea to take hold . . . certainly not 13 years!

    Balderdash, I tell you!

    1. AndoverAndy Avatar
      AndoverAndy

      It won’t matter because the oceans will have risen and drown New York City.
      Perhaps autonomous power boats to take you about…

  322. TwentyPoundGorilla Avatar
    TwentyPoundGorilla

    Sweet. So rich people arrive at work in their loaded supercrew pickups, and everyone else floats in on the “poor people” EVs. Cars are a global status symbol. They always will be. A hundred years from now, they still will be. It’s human nature. It’s 2017 and people still hunt with a bow & arrow.

  323. Clem Avatar
    Clem

    What a load of CRAP !!!

  324. Done With It Avatar
    Done With It

    This by the same sort of people who told us fifty years ago that early in the new century we’d all be on mass-transit and cars would be a thing of the past. Let me know when my flying car gets here, or mass transit works anywhere but downtown in large cities.

  325. joe schmo Avatar
    joe schmo

    Another globalist pipe dream… I seriously don’t believe this will happen unless we are under the thumb of Marxists.

  326. Safe Space Invader ™ Avatar
    Safe Space Invader ™

    Civil disobedience will be necessary on this.

    I will never submit to your Agenda 2030. Never.

  327. Matthew Kilburn Avatar
    Matthew Kilburn

    Private car ownership isn’t going anywhere. What all these touters of a communally-owned paradise fail to remember is that most people who have their own cars *use them at the same times of day*. Rush hour in any major city is enough to fill five lanes of freeway around the start and end of the workday; but those freeways otherwise sit almost empty the rest of the time.

    I need a car at the same time my neighbor needs a car at the same time my coworker needs a car. If we wanted to travel in the same vehicle as strangers, we could already carpool. And no autonomous vehicle company is going to be able to put one car in three places at once.

  328. Scott Davis Avatar
    Scott Davis

    Who comes up with this garbage? 2030 is only 13 years from now! Absolutely idiotic!

  329. Safe Space Invader ™ Avatar
    Safe Space Invader ™

    This is post modern neo-Marxist revolutionary dogma.

    Do you people really want a war? Take away people’s cars.

  330. Sam Crider Avatar
    Sam Crider

    According to that last graph in 7 years automobile production in the US will come to a permanent end. You either have to be a real idiot or a total a$$hole to say that with any confidence. The RenewEconomy office meetings must be like a circle jerk wrapped in a wet dream. Keep thinking with your hearts libtards.

    1. Charles J Jernigan Avatar
      Charles J Jernigan

      That’s not what the chart projects. What it does project is that the demand for non-whatever cars is zero. The projection may be wrong; the conclusions are not wrong.

  331. Saknussemm Avatar
    Saknussemm

    In 13 years? I highly doubt it – maybe by 2045-50. The infrastructure needs upgrading first. Get out of the way and let President Trump make it happen.

  332. old tired & poor Avatar
    old tired & poor

    Self driving cars will pass quickly. All it will take is a few fatal accidents.And they are coming. You can bet on it.

    And the ecological footprint of an expanded electric fleet will be massive. Between lithium mining, (Most of which is done in countries that hate us) disposal of spent battery packs and the coal fired electric plants that produce about half of our power – the public will have a rude awakening. when the whole tally is in.

    All of this article is just a Greenie’s wet dream.

    1. Safe Space Invader ™ Avatar
      Safe Space Invader ™

      They have already happened. Did you know that there was a congressional oversight committee that kept a double fatality quiet for 88 days until a Tesla quarterly earnings report was released? American corruption at its worst.

    2. Saknussemm Avatar
      Saknussemm

      Lithium won’t be a necessary component of batteries in the near future.

  333. Corky Boyd Avatar
    Corky Boyd

    There is no doubt on demand autonomous vehicles will displace taxis in urban areas. They may even displace a good portion of rapid transit because they provide portal to portal service that rapid transit can’t. But they won’t make much of a dent in private auto use. Why? Because of cost. Assume there is a $5 minimum per ride. Play bridge at Joanie’s house, that’s $10 round trip. See a movie 10 bucks. Go to the grocery store another $10. Play golf at the club, way more because of the distance. You can lease a small car for $199/month plus tax. That’s about $7 or $8 per day and its ready to go when you are.

    Private cars will be around for a long time.

  334. Vet for Trump Avatar
    Vet for Trump

    Biggest crock of cow patties I ever heard.
    NO WAY will Americans give up their cars.

  335. fcabanski Avatar
    fcabanski

    Computer Car: “Sorry, Dave, I have to drive you off this bridge to avoid an accident with that other car. The people in there are more important than you are.”

    1. Mina Avatar
      Mina

      while singing, “Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer true. I’m half crazy over the love of you…”

  336. Joseph P. Campbell Avatar
    Joseph P. Campbell

    BS!

  337. DerRotMax Avatar
    DerRotMax

    I bet if the author had been writing in the 1950s, he’d be one of the morons predicting that we’d all be in flying cars by the 1980s.

    1. Red47 Jesus in a Che Shirt Avatar
      Red47 Jesus in a Che Shirt

      I have mine.
      Oh wait…flying CARS, not pigs. Lol.

      1. Insurance Panda is a SCAM Avatar
        Insurance Panda is a SCAM

        No flying pigs.

        No need to bring Hillary or Rosie O’Donnell into the conversation.

  338. Red47 Jesus in a Che Shirt Avatar
    Red47 Jesus in a Che Shirt

    It is unlikely that the infrastructure to support this could be built in 13 years. It is more likely to be true of larger cities where people pay per ride already, or pay exorbitant amounts to park their cars.
    I am wondering where all the extra electricity is going to come from since the current infrastructure is already old and overtaxed according to what I have read, and the last administration shut down so many power plants.

  339. Carlos the Dangerous Avatar
    Carlos the Dangerous

    Why don’t we just skip all this and go straight to teleportation?

  340. Matt Esquire Avatar
    Matt Esquire

    No way, maybe in Europestan but not in America.

  341. McG Avatar
    McG

    What do you expect to happen to the people in 90% of Australia’s land area?

  342. ImaObserver Avatar
    ImaObserver

    Dumber than a box of rocks. It may be true in metropolitan areas but in rural America it is impossible. The motor vehicle is a tool of agriculture and of recreation and standardized routes will never be practical for use by the farmer, rancher, outdoor enthusiast. etc.

  343. JuvenileCourtLifer Avatar
    JuvenileCourtLifer

    This must be a joke. Absolutely laughable. Who writes this crap?

  344. PopeyeinFL Avatar
    PopeyeinFL

    Personally I,m hoping that in 13 years we have the Jetson’s flying saucers!

  345. Rick Martinez Avatar
    Rick Martinez

    There is a plan to start taxing us by the mile. Starting in 2013 all new cars have a Black Box device that tracks your mileage and driving habits. The future plan is no private vehicles and people either walk, ride a bicycle or use mass transit. Google United Nations AGENDA 21 and AGENDA 2030.

    1. phantasm Avatar
      phantasm

      Yes- but most people are not informed enough to pay attention to these things or even care.

  346. tjb357452 Avatar
    tjb357452

    How will this work in rural, and suburban areas ? Will they mandate electric trucks for those with boats, and travel trailers ? How will “autonomous” work when I want to travel to my favorite hunting/fishing locations ? How about going for a drive ? These clowns think they’re going to be able to move 450 million people with “autonomous vehicles”, and eliminate privately owned transportation ? Absolute nonsense.

  347. phantasm Avatar
    phantasm

    The only places this might work are cities such as NY, Boston, Chicago. For the majority of people who drive 25 – 50 miles a day for work, this makes no sense. It will not be cost effective to not own a car- and you lose the freedom of travelling anytime you want, where you want. Don’t think so in my lifetime- though I could see some of this happening in the further future.

  348. stlfedup Avatar
    stlfedup

    HOGWASH !!!!!!!!!!

  349. Tokenn Avatar
    Tokenn

    I doubt this will happen quite as quickly or universally as the article suggests, but I wouldn’t bet against it as a rising trend. I plan to retire in just a few years, and I’ll be buying a car at the same time, If I keep that car for 10 years or more, I’ll be nearly 80 by the time it wears out…and I won’t care to be driving by that time anyway. A self-driving Uber will be the perfect answer for oldsters past their driving years.

  350. bstoff Avatar
    bstoff

    This article is an advertisement. The public policy they advocate, which will make them rich, will also limit free travel for those who aren’t given permission to receive the transportation for whatever reason the controllers of the transportation system decide.
    Limiting free travel to certain persons, essentially imprisonment, will be much easier to implement when everyone is dependent upon the public service.

  351. Tim Allgood Avatar
    Tim Allgood

    delusional stupidity,

    1. This is totally dependent on fictitious economic assumptions from someone who clearly knows even less about economics then he does about electric cars.

    2. He wasnt right about solar. He was dead wrong about it. It exists only as a very expensive, government subsidy dependent, sub par energy source that works alongside traditional power generation. Nowhere has solar supplanted traditional energy for the simple reason that its completely unreliable. The much higher cost and low energy production dont help either.

  352. Jay Phillips Avatar
    Jay Phillips

    Yeah that will be great for the millennials who live less than 10 miles from the big mega cities on the coasts. The ones who live at home with their parents, who don’t want to pay for anything, like healthcare, cellphones, college educations, Internet, or have any interest in owning a home or car. The rest of us who live out in the country, who enjoy the fresh air, the beautiful mountains and rivers, the open plains, yeah, we need electric cars that don’t even have enough juice to get us into town and back. We’ll have to stop a couple times along the way and wait an hour while the batteries recharge. You wiz bang genius “scientists” why don’t you rent a car sometime, since we know you don’t own one, and try driving across the Arizona desert or over the Rocky Mountains or through the Appalachians and then go back to your sterile lab and write a paper about the real world. Not that imaginary bubble you live in.

    1. Robert Bonaiuto Avatar
      Robert Bonaiuto

      Millennials live at home and their mommies and daddies drive them where they WANT to go cuz they don’t NEED to go anywhere.

  353. Laura Avatar
    Laura

    Get in the same vehicle after a sick person or homeless person with bedbugs rode and I will bet $1 that you will head to the dealership.

  354. RichardC55 Avatar
    RichardC55

    What codswallop. Part of what this study says is somewhat true now, in that in places like New York City, lots of people don’t have cars of their own, using mass transit and taxi services (including Uber, of course) instead. So, to be partially true requires only that this trend in major cities continue, but with people switching to on-demand electric vehicles instead of mass-transit. But, there are serious problems. Cars are not short-term investments, so many of the cars now in use will remain in use. Further, once you get away from major metropolitan areas, you run into an entirely different problem: wait time. On-demand vehicles need a high utilization rate to be economical, and there are vast portions of the country where achieving a high utilization rate will be a significant problem, since having enough vehicles to keep wait times short will mean there must be a significant surplus of vehicles.

    Right now, if I want to go somewhere, I don’t have to wait. My car’s cost amortizes over ten to fifteen years, but my utilization rate (though low) is in hundreds of miles a week. My car was not expensive. I am a busy person,. I can’t waste time waiting for an on-demand vehicle, and the frequency with which I travel between towns is high enough that I will routinely change the availability of vehicles in these towns. This makes an on-demand system less than desirable for me, and I know a rather significant number of people here in non-metropolitan America who have similar travel requirements.

    Another question: What about rush hours? Those times will demand larger numbers of vehicles, and these are likely to be tied up in traffic, to some degree. But, the surplus of vehicles needed to deal with traffic rushes means that they will be under utilized in non-peak times.

    What RethinkX is imagining is a disruption due to technology, but will that disruption really happen if the technology actually is disrupting the lives of half the citizens?

  355. wjf3 Avatar
    wjf3

    I worked in pollution abatement for the last +35 years, that has been the dream of environmental nut jobs since the first Earth Day, which I attended by the way. When asked back then they hadn’t a clue as to how to get Americans out of their cars. But then the EPA created rules so stringent as to make cars illegal, miles per gallon, crash tests, 10-12 speed transmissions to obtain the tail pipe miles per gallon fatwas from on high. The EPA and out here AQMD don’t drive the cars they expect us to want. One high up EPA ash wipe drives a 1953 Volkswagen talk about pollution. Most people in America cannot car pool, take a bus, walk to work. Most people in America NEED A VEHICLE to get to work. Plus most people cherish the calmness of driving and being alone. Lastly the real reason they want our cars gone is they see people on their own as being free, they won’t say that until , if you act like you agree and are couple of expensive bottles of wine later, to get an EPA mucky muck to sign off on your abatement equipment requires fine dining and monetary bribes. WE WILL HAVE CARS IN 50-60 YEARS NO MATTER WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL NUT JOBS SAY. By the by the air is cleaner than it was in 1900.

    1. Robert Bonaiuto Avatar
      Robert Bonaiuto

      Here here. Abolish the EPA. Make “pollution” a state issue.

  356. Larry Matters Avatar
    Larry Matters

    Did you hear what the “Beta-tape” said to the VHS-tape … who repeated it to the DVD?

    “LOL yeah right…Anyone who thinks this will be the case in 13 years is loony..”

  357. James1754 Avatar
    James1754

    An end to the ability of people to travel where they want, when they want?
    Now wouldn’t that please the left wing wannabe totalitarians.

  358. Aristotle Avatar

    I’d bet against this headline, especially in America. I’ve seen your weird art-deco homogenized goofy transport rental schemes in action across Europe, and it’s pretty damn gay.

    While it may work for effete Europeans and Californians, it won’t work for America at large; it’s contrary to our nature.

    1. Robert Bonaiuto Avatar
      Robert Bonaiuto

      I’ve seen your weird art-deco homogenized goofy transport rental schemes in action across Europe, and it’s pretty damn gay.

      That has to be the sentence of the year. I’ll be laughing at that for a week….

  359. op_ed Avatar
    op_ed

    Orrrrrrr . . . we as freedom loving individualists that believe it’s a human right to wake up in the morning, get a wild hair and grab a big wad of cash, jump in our privately owned vehicle, fill up and drive wherever, whenever we want, plop down cash to eat and sleep when needed – and it should be no one in the government or industry business where we are or how we got where we stopped. “F” tech meant to control and enslave!!!

  360. Insurance Panda is a SCAM Avatar
    Insurance Panda is a SCAM

    If this comes even close to happening, the progressive/socialist Democrats will cheer, and it won’t be because of less pollution (which they actually don’t care about anyway).

    It’s all about CONTROL.

    They want Americans to be mostly dependent upon public transportation, which is considerably more restricted in it’s flexibility to where & when you could go.

    The progressive/socialists will tell YOU where you can go, WHEN you can go, and HOW you can go. In addition, it will be oh so much easier to track your whereabouts.

    Obama is a HUGE advocate of jamming everyone into cities, and out of the suburbs. Why? Government control and monitoring your activities.

    Want a sample of what it would be like? Just look to Europe. Mass waves of sheep.

    1. Mina Avatar
      Mina

      They got our health system already ruined with their program designed to fail to implement one govt controlled system. We are fighting back against social engineering. O can go back to his bath house and be a pot head again.

  361. JohninRedding Avatar
    JohninRedding

    Sounds like wishful thinking by uptopian liberals. It is so easy to conger up these wild ideas and then demand everyone work toward that end.

  362. Kevy-Lotion Avatar
    Kevy-Lotion

    Oh yeah, it MUST be true! ….I’ll park it next to my flying car! Hahaha!! How do you have the nerve to tell such lies?

  363. John27 Avatar
    John27

    Maybe in San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle. But not in the rest of the country.

  364. peer89 Avatar
    peer89

    “Lead consultant and co-author Tony Seba, who specialises in disruptive technologies. His early forecasts for the enormous uptake of solar where considered crazy, but were proved right, and he has since said that new technologies will make coal, oil and gas all but redundant by 2030).”

    Am I really supposed to take this story seriously?

  365. Burnt Orange Avatar
    Burnt Orange

    Maybe the savings in usage of imported and domestic oil could be put toward the national debt. The disruption to the economy would be off set by lowering the debt. Cheap oil could be used for other things like heating and the trucking industry.

    All most all Fortune 500 companies from the 1950’s don’t exist any more. Country is still here and will be going strong in a while.

    Change or DIE is often heard. IF this change is implemented over time we will survive and thrive. The future is coming pay attention.

  366. Larry Matters Avatar
    Larry Matters

    Wake me up after the North Korean EMP puts Fred Flintstone in the White House – and Barney Rubble as CEO of the newly merged “Apple-Google-Amazon-IBM-Microsoft-Intel”

  367. Joe Smith Avatar

    imagine waiting for hours because demand was too high and no vehicles available. mass transit has totally failed to diminish the demand for a personal vehicle and the only way that will ever happen is when they make it too expensive to own and drive your own car.

  368. Just saying Avatar
    Just saying

    Corporations don’t vote. People do and those greedy 1%’WRs that want more profit from taking millions of people from working will have to hide when pitchforks come out. Let me think about this… remember hybrids we’re going to take over or electric cars? Yeah right. They haven’t. I can’t believe this PR agancy you found a website willing to publish this garbage. When one of these 1%’era finds out his million dollar Ferrari is worth nothing because it’s going to be in a museum, this will stop. The answer is not replacing cars but rather taking to the air.

  369. Robert Bonaiuto Avatar
    Robert Bonaiuto

    Never gonna happen. To those who would risk their lives and the lives of their families to “autonomous” transport, well, your not going to be missed. We can’t even stop hackers on desktops and you’ll let a computer system drive you in a metal box at high speeds. Yeah, ok. Not to mention giving up your freedom? I could go on and on. Uber’s about to crash out of the market as well. It’s all smoke and mirrors. More leftist environmentalist cult wishful thinking. One final note, global warming = greatest hoax on the history of mankind. Plz don’t call it climate change either. That’s when I walk in from the hot sun to my cold ac’ed house….climate change!

  370. Futch Avatar
    Futch

    So how do I haul a boat or pick stuff up at home depot? What about off roading? What about gravel roads? I think this is just for pea brained New Yorkers and butt headed LA types who have never seen a tree outside of a park.

  371. Taluca Lake Avatar
    Taluca Lake

    That $4.50 ride will be $45 if the government’s involved. And if it’s Chicago, they’ll put a tax on top of that

  372. Scott74 Avatar
    Scott74

    Another liberal dream, for the ash heap …

  373. LYNNDH Avatar
    LYNNDH

    The Idjit does not live in the Midwest or West or South. Must be a LA guy or Chicago or NY.

  374. MovinToCanada Avatar
    MovinToCanada

    This is pure, 100% unadulterated communist BS

    1. mark carpenter Avatar
      mark carpenter

      They are control freaks aren’t they?

      1. MovinToCanada Avatar
        MovinToCanada

        They have to be. No one would buy their garbage if they werent able to force feed it.

        1. mark carpenter Avatar
          mark carpenter

          ditto that

  375. mark carpenter Avatar
    mark carpenter

    Pretty sure my customers won’t like the fact that I’ll no longer be able to get to their service calls in a timely manner. My guess is that this prognostication will go by the wayside – kinda like algore’s global warming b.s. about coastal cities around the world being underwater by now.

  376. DavidPeoria Avatar
    DavidPeoria

    A dial-up electric car will not get me to my home in the middle of nowhere on some 20 miles of logging roads.

    1. Clemsworld Avatar
      Clemsworld

      Somebody tell Jerry Brown so the bullet train is no longer needed.

  377. Turd Ferguson Avatar
    Turd Ferguson

    Yeah come take my truck and motorcycle.
    People wont stand for this. Between the idiotic environmentalists and technocrat marxist, we will have another Fort Sumter
    Its just a matter of time.

  378. qb Avatar
    qb

    Technology may very well change the type of car people travel in but not the ownership . Americans simply are not going to give up independent vehicle ownership in the next 13 years. Ain’t gonna happen. Maybe in Paris but not in Dallas.

  379. gildersleeve Avatar
    gildersleeve

    I wonder, does taking LSD to write an article like this a requirement or is the writer just naturally nuts?

  380. Casey Kowalchyk Avatar
    Casey Kowalchyk

    I keep a lot of things in a vehicle at any given time. The comfort and familiarity of MY car can’t be had in some generic fleet vehicle.

  381. Ron Avatar
    Ron

    More fake news from the folks who bring you fake news. They say nothing in this article about the logistics of how tens of millions of people will get to and from their jobs with this so-called service, let alone how it will double the traffic in local areas with this hairbrained idea by having a vehicle taken to a home first, and then taken to the person’s place of business. But this is an Australian site. Liberalism really is a mental disease.

  382. Harold Janson Avatar
    Harold Janson

    Haha, for nogs sure, maybe. Those with agency who are not braindead will still drive

  383. simus1 Avatar
    simus1

    This fable to the future is from Oz, where some loony left state governments have trouble keeping the lights on due to their “advanced thinking energy strategies”.

  384. JohnBreland Avatar
    JohnBreland

    And weren’t we all supposed to be jetting around in flying cars by now?

  385. Taluca Lake Avatar
    Taluca Lake

    Troll alert: Nick

  386. op_ed Avatar
    op_ed

    Orrrrrrr . . . we as freedom loving individualists that believe it’s a human right to wake up in the morning, get a wild hair and grab a big wad of cash, jump in our privately owned vehicle, fill up and drive wherever, whenever we want, plop down cash to eat and sleep when needed – and it should be no one in the government or industry business where we are or how we got where we stopped. “F” tech meant to control and enslave!!!

  387. Robert Hoover Avatar
    Robert Hoover

    So how am I going to get to Frackville from Mahanoy city ?

  388. tedlv Avatar
    tedlv

    Wow. Stupid rules.

  389. wcplace Avatar
    wcplace

    It will save SOOO many lives! Of course there comes the UN with pregnancy licenses and saving the Planet from Humans. This story is BS!

    1. Clemsworld Avatar
      Clemsworld

      Just like gun control across the world. It works very well in Mexico where guns are banned because there hasn’t been a shooting there in the last 15 seconds.

      1. tedlv Avatar
        tedlv

        As with Chicago.

      2. wcplace Avatar
        wcplace

        You win! Best post of the DAY!

  390. delong Avatar
    delong

    Transportation as a service? It’s called a freakin taxi, and I’m not waiting an hour for someone to give me a ride to pick up some milk down the street.

  391. Clemsworld Avatar
    Clemsworld

    Looks like some companies have Pot as an employee benefit because someone here is smoking something.

  392. gotye Avatar
    gotye

    Then,when most every one or even 50% of us are using this, some smart hacker will figure out how to shut down entire countries. Just, Bamn! We’ll be royally screwed up and probably miles from home!

  393. The Evil One Avatar
    The Evil One

    One crash and a multi-million dollar lawsuit will put this idea out to pasture.

  394. Creldarix Avatar
    Creldarix

    I won’t own a car in 13 years. I’ll still own three cars in 13 years. This is pie in the sky environmental madness.

  395. Smellvin Therat Avatar
    Smellvin Therat

    I’ll still own my ’66 vette…

  396. Jean Avatar
    Jean

    Yes if the Democrats get in again we will be driving a donkey and a cart to save the planet. Only thing is what are you going to do with the donkey waste.

    1. Charles Nash Avatar
      Charles Nash

      And the donkey’s methane! They already want to outlaw cowfarts in California.

  397. Rowbear Avatar
    Rowbear

    Not long ago, there was a study stating that if California reached ten percent of vehicles being electric, powering them would require the entire electricity generation in the state.

  398. Charles Nash Avatar
    Charles Nash

    Rainbow unicorns and self-licking lollypops are just as likely.

  399. Scott Furley Avatar
    Scott Furley

    This will no way happen because for sure no one wants some elses filthy car. will this car clean itself? I live in florida and for sure would be ten homeless people riding in the automated car all week before you get a ride on sunday. your clothes, your suits, would be disgusting. you would get in the self driving fleet automatic car and it will have been used as a bathroom or drug room or graffiti art showroom. I have no faith in this sea of half humanity in south florida to respect these fleet owned cars the author is speculating about. if they have a way for cheap or free automated cars to clean themselves after each use, why dont they already install this technology in Florida buses and cabs? the miami and broward buses have all kinds of interesting elements who live on these buses in a stuper all day. you would have to put cameras in the auto cars so could send the cleaning bill. the Tri Rail system is also very dirty, with everything thrown all over it everyday, and luckily a few cleaning people walking through to pick up things.

  400. HHP Avatar
    HHP

    Pure unadulterated Bull Shit.

  401. T S the Deplorable Avatar
    T S the Deplorable

    Nonsense. These are the same guys who 40 years ago said we’d all be using public transportation and Amtrak by now.

  402. Johndoe Avatar
    Johndoe

    I call BS…No frikkin way are most Americans going to use a taxi service and give up their vehicles.

  403. Robert Portmanteau Avatar
    Robert Portmanteau

    bullshit people.

  404. arcsinice Avatar
    arcsinice

    This utter lunacy – hallucination bought to you by the nasty IPA swilling/ski cap wearing hipsters who sit around all day and “think”………………….

  405. tony tyler Avatar
    tony tyler

    you can take your new world order agenda 21 cars and go straight to hell…

  406. David Johnson Avatar
    David Johnson

    So, instead of one car making two trips, one from your home to work and one from your work to your home, there will be 4 trips. One from consolidated parking to your home to pick you up and one to take you to work. Then one to go back to the consolidated parking lot. Then the reverse. 4 trips, twice the driving and twice the congestion.

  407. Scriptor Avatar
    Scriptor

    This story is right up there with “by 2014, the polar ice caps will be no more”, and we all know how that one turned out.

    1. bstoff Avatar
      bstoff

      I really miss the polar ice caps. So sad that they’re gone now, huh?

  408. tony tyler Avatar
    tony tyler

    it will be like Obamacare . ” if you own your car and like your car you can keep your car. ” yeah right ..get bent government .

  409. gelceea Avatar
    gelceea

    I like my gas guzzling truck. I am not interested in relying on someone else to get me somewhere. It is a vital freedom to go get in my truck and take off down the road. This article is junk from stoopid people who have no idea what it is.

  410. Geezer Power Avatar
    Geezer Power

    A liberal wet dream, nothing more.

  411. Racher Avatar
    Racher

    You can have my car when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

  412. Mac-101 Avatar
    Mac-101

    THEY may make it mandatory to have a self driving care which the average person would NOT be able to afford to buy or maintain it in the high state of maintenance that would be required keep it driving safely, A big win for the Globalist!

  413. aNativeTexan Avatar
    aNativeTexan

    Will never happen! No one will ever trust an AI car to always make the right decision & the ability to hack the electronics on the car should be a big warning to Humans.

  414. RonaldWest Avatar
    RonaldWest

    So what are contractors supposed to do? Are they trying to tell us in 13 years there will no longer be a need for plumbers, painters, landscapers, electricians, etc, etc hence no need for vans or pickup trucks? What a crock!

  415. Bagger Avatar
    Bagger

    Giles – Please don’t teach on the side. You live in a bubble. Buy yourself a muscle car and get back to balanced journalism.

  416. jn jac Avatar
    jn jac

    Another progressive pipe dream

  417. Hannah Warde Avatar
    Hannah Warde

    this Seba guy says everything will be cheaper………so we will be so mechanized and digitized and whateverelse-ized that jobs will be scarce and the population will be enhanced by multiples given the new migratory and cultural norms of different cultures moving to be global………so Seba says that these autonomous cars will be possibly free but one has to buy a latte perhaps to take the trip…….okay – with population growth and lack of manufacturing and production due to the excessive and unstoppable mechanization of our culture and work habits – there will probably be very very few jobs and lots and lots of homeless people and vagrants and unless there is a cop in every autonomous car there will be chaos…………this paragraph really bothers me: “The report, by RethinkX, an independent think tank that focuses on technology-driven disruption and its implications across society, says this stunning and radical will be driven entirely by economics, and will overcome the current desire for individual car ownership, starting first in the big cities and then spreading to the suburbs and regional areas.”…………….so it looks like the whole intention is to become a socialistic global world where the desire to individually own a car will be turned into a dirty word like individualism……….so that will be added to sexism, racism, fascism…….etc etc.

  418. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    Hillary has a 90% to win the election too, Right ? Fake news.

  419. Chris USA Avatar
    Chris USA

    Horrific accidents will be constant problem until they ban humans from driving altogether. And even without humans behind the wheel, when the tech will fails, gets hacked, whatever…the results will also be disastrous.

  420. Big Deal Avatar
    Big Deal

    I am still waiting for flying cars and our moon colony – which were supposed to happen about 15 years ago.

  421. Clark9017 Avatar
    Clark9017

    I had an image of riding a horse into town because the nutjobs made it impossible to buy and insure a car, which is okay for anyone in a large city where they don’t mind being told what to do and live like sheeple in cookie cutter neighborhoods. But as for me I choose to live in a peaceful rural area where I can go outside and think clearly and enjoy the night sky in complete privacy.

  422. Bill K Avatar
    Bill K

    nonsense. They dont take into account the consumer’s desire to own a car, or the freedom owning an auto provides.

  423. Snowman 54 Avatar
    Snowman 54

    Ooooh. Pretty graphs. They and the study miss the point and don’t mention key things driving the desire for a private mode of transportation.
    1. The 95 or so per cent of the land mass of the USA where driving distances to and from services are long, and where work is not ten floors down.
    2. Freedom of movement, freedom of escape, freedom of mobility
    3. The ability to go pick up ten bags of dirt at the hardware for the yard without paying a stupid expensive delivery fee.
    4. A driver you can trust with your life.
    5. Relative economics. Is it still cheaper to pay for transportation service when you’re taking hour family of four across the state to grandma’s house for the holiday?
    6. Did I mention having a driver you could trust, and not be trying to sell you MDMA, reefer, cid, crank, crack, blow who will dump you off on the nearest curb when you turn them down?
    7. And highest on the list. The ability to go wherever you want, when you want, as quicky or slowly as you want, with whomever you want, without being treated like you’re being treated like a commodity the way airlines treat their customers.
    8. And last on the list. Owning something. As opposed to the zero-gain rental alternative. Your cabbie doesn’t appreciate the way say, a 1963 split window Corvette has/does.

    And I almost forgot. Anonymity. Computers were supposed to be safe, secure, and private. Right. Can we say ransomware? The state does NOT need to know where we are going, who we are with, why we are going, 24 hours a day seven days a week.

    This reads more like a marketing sell job than it does a news article.

  424. dean Avatar
    dean

    Not me. I like to drive and driving around in glorified golf carts does not interest me either.

  425. Chris Straus Avatar
    Chris Straus

    The last time I recall using public transport (apart from airplanes) was a London bus about twenty years ago…the guy directly across from me was picking his nose, the guy in front of me was loudly saying “f***” every third word…and of course the bus itself (like just about everything else in London) was filthy. I’m afraid the brainiacs who come up with these idiotic theories and prognostications fail to take into account that most important of all variables – human beings.

  426. dean Avatar
    dean

    I live in a place that gets snow in winter. I have zero confidence that these self driving cars can drive around with 6 inches of snow covering the sensors and having snow covering the lanes on the road.

  427. kjj Avatar
    kjj

    Not going to happen in our lifetime!

  428. Mikey1109 Avatar
    Mikey1109

    I’ll believe it when I see it. Experts are always coming up with predictions for the future and most the time they are wrong.

    1. Flippy Hambone Avatar
      Flippy Hambone

      The problem with the future is it ain’t what it used to be

  429. dean Avatar
    dean

    The people pushing these self driving cars are those developing these cars. There is no mass public push for these things. Sure there will be a market for these cars but I believe far fewer people will buy into these things at least over the next 20 years than these people think. There are still a lot of people out there who like to drive. They see a self driving car to be about as appealing as a self playing version of Call of Duty.

  430. Flippy Hambone Avatar
    Flippy Hambone

    You may not own a car, but I will.

  431. mickey bitsko Avatar
    mickey bitsko

    Nonsense. We’ll all have personal jet packs.

  432. tec Avatar
    tec

    Sam old pie in the sky unrealistic crap story regurgitated. America alone has what? 100MM cars. Exactly what would we do with all of these cars? And let’s not forget the underlying infrastructure and businesses that support them. Auto parts stores, mechanics/garages, new and used auto dealers, gas stations, etc… Sorry, maybe I’m old fashioned but I don’t see it happening. At least not in that time frame and those numbers.

  433. sabrose Avatar
    sabrose

    When government controls transportation you can kiss your privacy and independence goodbye.

  434. Lee Sanders Avatar
    Lee Sanders

    Can you imagine sitting down in a dirty, graffiti filled autonomous public taxi. If you’re lucky enough to get one that didn’t have the faint scent of urine and used bubble gum stuck everywhere you would still be afraid to touch anything. I’ll keep my own transportation, thank you.

  435. Ronald Jackson Avatar
    Ronald Jackson

    only a loon would write a story like this, it could never happen . the person that wrote this story should write stories for the si fi channel.

  436. Troyboy Avatar
    Troyboy

    I hope I don’t live that long ! I getting there fast I don’t fit in this new world thinking of government doing all my thinking !! EVIL !!

  437. Ronald Jackson Avatar
    Ronald Jackson

    owning a car is a thing called freedom to move freely and go anywhere without begging for a ride

  438. Mickawber Avatar
    Mickawber

    Undesirables will hide in the boot of the vehicles for a victim to get in. Hackers will interfere and cause the auto vehicles to wreck and go out of control. People will use the bathroom in them or start immigrant cooking fires in them. Thanks but no thanks! Agenda 21 transport, no thanks!

  439. Mickawber Avatar
    Mickawber

    This story is like some wuss millennial snowflake’s wet dream or something…

  440. davebr Avatar
    davebr

    Statistics provided by Michael Mann.

  441. Minute Matt Avatar
    Minute Matt

    So if your wife is pregnant and her water breaks…guess you’ll have to login to get to the hospital in time? This is the same glorious nonsense just like trying to get rid of cash.

  442. David Morris Avatar
    David Morris

    Right, by the 1990’s we’ll all have flying cars and vacation on the Moon

  443. no_more_commie_propaganda Avatar
    no_more_commie_propaganda

    This is another dream from the climate change central planning communists who want to control this part of the economy too and incrementally tax / regulate / and fear monger fossil fuels out of the price reach of the masses. The elite’s will keep the fossil fuels for their jets and private high-classy luxury, but its public transportation for the rest of us.

    Sure, the government can destroy trillion dollar industries (look what obamacare has done to healthcare). The leftists love these utopia ideas, but they are not held accountable by results, and socialism always fails. But they never want to be held accountable, they just want you to know they care more than everyone else (especially you).

    Capitalism and free markets are the 10,000 years of human history proven way to eliminate hunger, poverty, and foster innovation. Communism destroys.
    I am all for renewable fuels and technological innovation, but it has to be driven by the market, not by the government outlawing industries and reducing consumer choice. If someone or some company can crack the code and fly rockets into space or jet liners on solar panels, advanced batter tech, or olive oil, then great. But that will ONLY happen if its driven by innovation and competition. The government centrally planning it wont figure it out because it has no incentive to make it better.
    In the end, The government wants autonomous, self driving cars because it takes another freedom away from people and they can tax you by the mile or your carbon footprint / impact to the environment. Its a form of control and won’t happen unless its created by entrepreneurs.

    Socialist / Communist / Central Planning doesn’t work.

  444. Dick Fantastic Avatar
    Dick Fantastic

    Can’t wait until my autonomous electric whatsamobile decides it can’t make it up my road in the middle of a snowstorm when it’s below zero and blowing hard some winter in the near future.

  445. Ron Traguer Avatar
    Ron Traguer

    This will happen as soon as we get that flying car.

  446. D A Avatar
    D A

    More communist central planning Globalist Climate Change happy horses h it. All designed to have absolute complete control over our lives.

    Phooooc off ……… get outta my life. Life. Liberty and the pursuit of FreeWill…..learn it,live it, love it !

  447. Ron Traguer Avatar
    Ron Traguer

    They’ve also proclaimed the death of muscle cars for decades.

    1. robert corbett Avatar
      robert corbett

      If someone had told me I could have an affordable muscle car back in the 1980s with 400 plus HP 20 years in the future I would have laughed inside my 100 HP K car.

  448. ADDgolfer Avatar
    ADDgolfer

    Maybe in NYC. You think LA will get rid of their ride? Don’t even consider middle America.

    1. robert corbett Avatar
      robert corbett

      I would bet money this article was written in NYC by ultra liberal millenials.

      1. ADDgolfer Avatar
        ADDgolfer

        In their own bubble oblivious to how the interior lives, works and plays.

  449. Aaron Adamson Avatar
    Aaron Adamson

    What absolute crap.

    Ever heard of trailerboats?

    Thought not.

  450. Roger Cotton Avatar
    Roger Cotton

    Wishful thinking by those in the Democrat Party who are in thrall to environmentalist fanatics..

    1. robert corbett Avatar
      robert corbett

      exactly however the problem is they may have enough sheep to buy into this herding operation within the next 50 to 100 years.

  451. ActivistAngel Avatar
    ActivistAngel

    Good. They can’t release anti gravity technology until all cars are computerized. Can you imagine giving 16 year olds a flying car?
    Each one needs to be installed with an override kill switch that bypasses all computers and pulls the car over and stops. Otherwise the CIA can kill more journalists.

  452. Joe Johnson Avatar
    Joe Johnson

    This will not happen. Nobody wants to order a ride in some crappy car and wait for it to show up. Also, ghetto people will undoubtedly trash these things, hookers will be turning tricks in them, they won’t be near as popular as predicted.

  453. robert corbett Avatar
    robert corbett

    I call bull crap on the no car by 2030 prediction. I recall as a teenager in the 1960s by now we would be commuting in flying cars. In fact I can travel 60 miles from my home and see Omish still using horses for transportation. This looks like some greenie globalist agenda propaganda to condition people to live in cities and accept even more public transportation which is not even close to free but subsidized by my gasoline taxes and other government. Apparently those billboards mass transit subsidies aren’t enough to make even bus or subway transportation free. Anytime you are offered something for free hold on to your wallet and personal liberty (freedom of movement). Free transportation would ultimately mean big government and corporation would decide where you need to go, how often you go, when you should go, or whether you should be allowed to go to any particular place at all. In short you will need to take my car when you can pull my cold dead hands off the steering wheel.

  454. Jack Harper Avatar

    I’m glad I don’t live where that will be happening.

  455. BigDonutz Avatar
    BigDonutz

    “Autonomous cars will … inject an additional $1US trillion into the pockets of Americans by 2030.”

    The economy is based on market forces. If people have an extra trillion in their pocket, than that means everything else goes up in price until everything’s scarce and unaffordable again, like real estate, etc.

    1. robert corbett Avatar
      robert corbett

      This would be no more free than existing buses trains airplaines boats. The issue is always who pays and how much is taken from the most productive to make it “free” or almost free for someone else. Think Obama phones or food stamps. BTW isn’t Uber losing money?

  456. Hal Slusher Avatar
    Hal Slusher

    Still waiting for the flying cars we were promised

  457. Jim Thompson Avatar
    Jim Thompson

    Pretty soon these self driving disasters will kill someone and the insurance will skyrocket. At one point you’ll be signing liability documents and such… that will be the end of this crap.

  458. ~Rose~ Avatar
    ~Rose~

    Ewwww. I don’t want to ride a communal vehicle.

  459. American Eagle Avatar
    American Eagle

    Bullshit and no thanks to smelly buses and faces.

  460. Hal Slusher Avatar
    Hal Slusher

    Oh joy my taxi showed up and smells like ass, puke, semin and old tuna fish.

  461. Fred863 Avatar
    Fred863

    Don’t you think aging Americans will BUY one of these when they can no longer legally drive? I know I will. I’ll still be independent and won’t have to rely on a ‘shared’car.

    1. robert corbett Avatar
      robert corbett

      I am 65 so my current 35 year old wife or 2 1/2 year old son should be able to take me where I want to go in my own friggen car when the time comes.

  462. Pax Romana Avatar
    Pax Romana

    No car owners! Loony Liberal wishful thinking. Everyone becomes cog
    in the government machine. I’m surprised they’re not pushing that
    everyone will use bicycles to save the planet.

    At the 1939 Worlds Fair, the World of Tomorrow showed what life would be like in 50 years. Everyone used Flying Cars! So I KNOW this 2030 prediction is gonna happen. For sure!

    1. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
      Giovanni Sagredo

      This is not Liberal, this is economic. The Liberals, if they do anything, will slow it down.

      1. robert corbett Avatar
        robert corbett

        ……by slow it down you mean the liberals would take your car and issue you a “free” bicycle and a bus pass.

  463. The_Usual_Suspect61 Avatar
    The_Usual_Suspect61

    I call bullshit.

  464. robert corbett Avatar
    robert corbett

    Yet one more reason to re-elect Trump in 2020 and put 60 + conservatives in the Senate.

    1. Mikey1109 Avatar
      Mikey1109

      You’ve got that correct. Over the last eight years I’ve had enough of liberals and their lousy policies to last me the rest of my life.

      1. robert corbett Avatar
        robert corbett

        Imagine the government doing for cars what they did for heath care and freedom of speech.

        1. Mikey1109 Avatar
          Mikey1109

          I just saw an article today that stated that we should expect another Health Care insurance premium increase next year for Obamacare. I sure wish they would get rid of Obamacare, I’m really tired of subsidizing other peoples insurance by paying high premiums and outrageous deductibles.

          1. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
            Giovanni Sagredo

            You are not paying for other people’s insurance with 0bamaCare. Because 0bamaCare is not insurance, it is pre-paid health care.

            Of course, with anything pre-paid when you go to collect what has already been paid for… you want as much as you can get. This explodes out of control… real fast.

          2. Mikey1109 Avatar
            Mikey1109

            That is not what I have been hearing from knowledgeable sources. Those sources say we are subsidizing other people’s insurance through higher premiums and ridiculous deductibles. The premiums and the deductibles that I am paying now compared to what they used to be are ridiculous and something needs to change. Getting rid of Obamacare would be a good start.

          3. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
            Giovanni Sagredo

            You didn’t get my point…

            0bamaCare is NOT insurance, it’s pre-paid health care.

            If a person pre-paid for lunch at a very expensive restaurant, i guarantee, not only would that person over stuff their face, they’d try to get things out in their hands, their pockets, and even their shoes.

          4. Mikey1109 Avatar
            Mikey1109

            I have never heard it called what you say it is.. From everything I’ve heard it’s Healthcare insurance and it was a replacement for the program prior to Obamacare. Even if you are correct, it’s still needs to go away. I will be the first to admit that prior to Obamacare the old Healthcare insurance System had it’s problems and needed improvements and needed things fixed. As far as I’m concerned that would be a good starting point to go back to. They can work from that point.

          5. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
            Giovanni Sagredo

            I buy fire insurance… i pray every day that i will not need to collect on that policy.

            I buy health insurance (the old major medical type)… i pray every day that i will not need to collect, no broken bones, no heart attack, no cancer.

            I get pre-paid health care, i want prescriptions for aspirin, once i meet my deductible, i’ll visit the dermatologist if my nose itches.

            What do you mean “Even if you are correct, it’s still needs to go away”? How stupid can you be??? It is BECAUSE i am correct that this needs to go away.

          6. Mikey1109 Avatar
            Mikey1109

            No, how stupid can you be? Re-read my post and try to comprehend this time. I said, I have always heard it called healthcare insurance not pre paid healthcare like you say It is. After that comment, I also said no matter what it’s called (which means I’m admitting that maybe you’re right) it needs to go away. Did you get it that time smart aleck or do you need to read it again,

  465. WestVirginiaRebel Avatar

    Why wouldn’t people still own their own vehicles? You will not get rid of car culture, especially in the US. At least older cars weren’t vulnerable to hackers.

    1. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
      Giovanni Sagredo

      In LA and Miami you are correct about the Car Culture.
      In NYC, Chicago, Boston, not so much.

  466. ReReg Avatar
    ReReg

    It’s what the elite is working toward while they own Lear Jets.

  467. Jeff Avatar
    Jeff

    I read this article and what do I see, an ad from my local Cadillac dealer trying to sell me a car.

    1. robert corbett Avatar
      robert corbett

      …….don’t worry the Caddy should outlast the no car idea.

      1. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
        Giovanni Sagredo

        For a little while… a very little while.
        The Maserati will last longer.

      2. Jeff Avatar
        Jeff

        No doubt. The article seems to be a rehash of bad ideas from the 1970s about public shared bikes and “electric cars” that were more like golf carts.

  468. robert corbett Avatar
    robert corbett

    Like we don’t already depend enough on the grid and electric power. One Carrington EMP and we get a mass population kill.

  469. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
    Giovanni Sagredo

    The 10x factor is BS.

    In the larger-ish cities owning a car (i used to own one in a large US city) is painful. If the total cost is 1.5x that will be enough. I will not have to drive it through slow annoying rush hour traffic, i will not have to park it, not have to fuel it, not have to finance it, not have to fix it, not have to clean it.

    The biggest hurdle is going to be legal. One issue will be regulatory, the other issue will be liability. If there is an accident whose pockets will the ambulance chasers be able to dig into, and by how much?

    So the biggest obstacles will be from the Liberal side… trying to protect the sheeple with regulations.

    Batteries, traditionally the biggest obstacle for EVs, will not be an issue. If the cars are owned in fleets and since downtime costs money, batteries will be swappable in an under 30 second automated operation.

    1. bstoff Avatar
      bstoff

      This idea makes sense only for congested urban areas, and could be forced upon those living there. Urbanites are easily herded into things like this. Outside of urban areas? No way.

      1. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
        Giovanni Sagredo

        I agree, to a degree.

        NYC, Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, and Chicago will be the first “victims” in roughly that order. Because the “Car Culture” is lower and the pain of ownership is higher, love of tech and green higher.

        Those population centers are about 15% of the US population. It will not be instantaneous, but by the time those population centers have mostly converted, the price will have dropped and other population centers will come into play… expanding and expanding.

        Eventually this will also absorb suburbia. When the cost of car ownership is higher than using a fleet car, why own one? And with a fleet car I can go out, intoxicate myself, and still get home with convenience.

        The only remaining obstacles will be time convenience and hauling stuff. If i live in a rural area getting the fleet car will take too long. If i have lots of equipment i need in the back of my pickup, i will still own my pickup.

  470. Carl Anon Avatar
    Carl Anon

    I refuse to give up driving. It’s more than going from point A to point B, it’s therapeutic. Beware those who would take that away from me after a 12 hour day.

  471. TexasMom2012 Avatar
    TexasMom2012

    It would be another way for the government to use to coerce behavior. No way would I willingly hand over another area of my life. I’m still seething over being forced to pay for so much medical insurance that I do not want nor do I need.

  472. Steve Crompton Avatar
    Steve Crompton

    Its obvious that this “study” has been done by a green company that desperately wants to get rid of cars and replace them with their “autonomous vehicles” Its a load of crock and using New York is a meaningless example since that City has been using mass transportation in a big way for the last 100 years. Try that in LA, San Antonio or Phoenix – its not going to happen. And I recently read another article that says that self-driving vehicles being used in a big way are getting caught up in legal and insurance problems that could tie them up for decades, so that puts another hole in their “study.” Now, will more people buy electric and hybrid cars? YES, but they are still going to be driving them just like cars are being driving now.

  473. Firestopper Avatar
    Firestopper

    Rubbish, you’ll never separate people from their cars – not now, not in 1000 years – this is more al gore bullshyte!

    1. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
      Giovanni Sagredo

      At 10x the price of ownership… people will switch.

  474. bstoff Avatar
    bstoff

    Great idea for the millennials with PHDs on their way to their Starbucks jobs 5 miles away. Everybody else, not so much. Force it on yourselves, utopians.

  475. Ron Davis Avatar
    Ron Davis

    I will never submit to the evils of self driving cars!!!! I don’t even like automatic transmissions! Gimme 2 doors, 2 seats and a 5 speed manual and I’m happy.

    1. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
      Giovanni Sagredo

      And a 10x price tag… you’ll switch. It just may take longer.

  476. 9eyedeel Avatar
    9eyedeel

    “study by think tank” oooh SOUNDS SERIOUS VERN we better do what the flying pig tells us

    experts are MEDIOCRE LYING WHORES, we have expert testimony to prove that

  477. †Col.Duncan† Avatar
    †Col.Duncan†

    Uh anyone try and force me to do anything will be shot. I will never give up control of my automobile, just look at what happened to Hastings..

  478. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
    Giovanni Sagredo

    It’s a price issue… at some point, why bother?

    Unless the government tries to either regulate it, or force it. Either of which will slow this down. Leave it to economics, people will switch.

  479. Troll Avatar
    Troll

    This is one of those articles I feel dumber for having read. First off, solar energy only spiked because government pigs spent trillions in subsidies (wasting taxpayer money to give fellow pigs like Solyndra and Google “incentives”) fabricating the illusion that solar energy is economically viable. If this idiot predicted the spike based on market, his credibility is officially shot. Solar panels are NOT VIABLE. The only reason they exist is pig subsidies. That’s why Google’s epic billion dollar failed solar thermal plant didn’t even use solar cells.

    Secondly, 14 years is NOT enough to phase out half a billion cars and trucks.

    Thirdly, only a person with a gun to their head will give up their pickup or favorite sedan in favor of a glorified taxi voucher. It would take at least a couple generations of zombie sheep (Americans dumber than millennials) to eventually be brainwashed into thinking the corporatocracy should own them.

    And finally, there’s nothing efficient about a car that has to drive twice as far to get a person the same number of miles.

    1. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
      Giovanni Sagredo

      Solar is not being propped up by the Government. They tried. And that slowed things down. And Solyndra is the PERFECT example. It should have been allowed to die, Solar would have happened faster.

      This will be pure economics. Unless the government gets involved, which will only slow it down.

      You’re right about the pickup… particularly if you store stuff in the back. But the sadan… toast.

      1. Troll Avatar
        Troll

        What do you mean, “tried”? Solar is STILL being propped with subsidies.
        https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2016/05/15/oilprice-solar-power-companies-subsidies/84331716/

        1. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
          Giovanni Sagredo

          BS.

          From YOUR article “tax incentives granted the solar power sector that have repeatedly proved that they are *NOT* doing sector players any favors” (emphasis added).

          It would happen faster (and nicer) if the Government would keep out of it.

          1. Troll Avatar
            Troll

            And from my article, they are still happening. The facts are the takeaway, not the garbage analysis of the facts. The only consumers of solar cells are the government and massive “progressive” businesses like Google. There’s also niche markets like backup power supplies and the couple of homeowners that grabbed them thanks to massive subsidies.

          2. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
            Giovanni Sagredo

            You are correct, the subsidies ARE still happening. And they are only slowing things down by keeping the non-viable sections alive.

  480. dok dokki Avatar
    dok dokki

    Only if government gets in the way aka leftists taxing individual ownership into extinction.

    1. Troll Avatar
      Troll

      They’ll probably run over a few hundred people with cars driven by fake terrorists and then ban them “for your protection.” Those people are so unbelievably evil, I wouldn’t put anything past them.

    2. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
      Giovanni Sagredo

      Nope. The economics will drive this. Leftist could only slow it down.

      1. Troll Avatar
        Troll

        Economics will not “drive” it, but good pun. It’s not economically viable, so cronyism will drive it if it ever happens. It’ll be like Uber or Snapchat, losing over a billion a year, but so large, people will think it’s worth billions.

        1. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
          Giovanni Sagredo

          Try to own a car in NYC. Where your parking space may actually cost more than the car. Economics.

          1. Troll Avatar
            Troll

            And yet, there’s over a million cars there. And apparently there’s a ton of them moonlighting as Uber drivers.

          2. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
            Giovanni Sagredo

            Yes, because if you need a car… you have no choice. With a cheaper choice to car ownership, people will stop owning cars.

  481. HondoCogburn Avatar
    HondoCogburn

    Soylent Green is right around the corner.

    1. Troll Avatar
      Troll

      That was a pretty good pun too.

      1. HondoCogburn Avatar
        HondoCogburn

        Thanks, we’re headed for a brave new world.

  482. Trogg Avatar
    Trogg

    Who do you sue when these autonomous vehicles make a mistake and destroy property or lives? Yes, people in very congested cities like New York would go for such a service, but for the rest of us no. I see a very different future for the automobile. Thorium nuclear reactors will make electricity 200 times cheaper than it now is. This means electric cars will be more viable. Hydrogen and oxygen separated from water will be the new fuel for motor transport, possibly in fuel cells. Commuter cars half the width of conventional cars will be part of the mix, there by running two in a lane similar to motor cycles ( Look up Tango Electric car on You Tube). It will also be possible to make hydrocarbon fuels form sea water with such abundant electricity. This article reads like an agenda 21propoganda peace. Sorry, there will be no new world order elites and technocrats.

    1. Troll Avatar
      Troll

      There’s some really great power technology being explored right now. Algae and fuel cells have quite the potential, as you pointed out. Cars can be refitted to run on anything from recycled cooking oil to jet fuel. Batteries are kind of getting better and capacitors are as well. Breeder reactors using thorium and “depleted uranium” should have happened decades ago.

      In order for most of this to happen, though, gas will have to get scarce enough for people to consider alternatives. The long term investment is too ponderous otherwise. As long as gas prices stay below $3, who’s going to buy a hybrid? Even with subsidies, very few people will. And why replace half a billion cars with more expensive cars if it will only save you money 30+ years down the road?

      Nuclear is the one that’s currently viable, being the cheapest known energy source. People are too afraid of it, though.

  483. Mike M Avatar
    Mike M

    Retarded theory.

  484. Mike Maliska Avatar
    Mike Maliska

    The problem I see with this article is it’s trying to say two things and they are only getting it half right.

    1.) Electric cars will become cheaper and more people will go this route. (Yes, I agree this will happen)

    2.) Cars sold to Individual and families will decrease and everyone will just want to use Ubur and Lift. (Sure as the next generation of kids can’t afford a car and just borrow mom and dad’s car or simply use Ubur and List sales will decrease, however once the kids start having families and move out of the city they will need a car. Individual car ownership will not go away.)

    1. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
      Giovanni Sagredo

      Why would you need a car? You open your cell, tell it “i need a car to the mall” and by the time you have put on your coat it’s waiting outside your door.

      You don’t have to tip the “driver”. You will not even need to walk from the parking lot to the mall entrance, since you will get out at the mall entrance. And you will watch youtube video the whole way. And it will cost less (this is the main point) than owning a car.

      1. Russian Under Your Bed Avatar
        Russian Under Your Bed

        Cause the government is going to have your car stop and pick up some drunks also going that way. You’ll get stabbed even though there are cameras in there stupid will not realize it like people that still can’t figure out cops can pull up cellphone records.

  485. Linda Almonte Avatar
    Linda Almonte

    Maybe in liberal cities. But the other 90% of the country in suburban and rural areas have zero interest .

  486. buckeyejim Avatar
    buckeyejim

    Right !!! In the 50’s we were told ” 20 years from we will all have flying cars. and you will clean you kitchen with a hose.

  487. cudapup Avatar
    cudapup

    Yup and by the year 2000 we will be in flying cars and homes will be built underwater because land will be so scarce.

  488. davebr Avatar
    davebr

    Complete bollox.

  489. cudapup Avatar
    cudapup

    Fact is, the western world with the path its on will loose flush toilet technology, electricity will be on 2hrs a day and your grandkids will marvel at how Ala built the Eiffel tower.

  490. sam Avatar
    sam

    Rubbish.

  491. evoval Avatar
    evoval

    According to Deagle com by 2025 the population in the USA will be 69 million, ooop’s that number was revised to 64 million, so for the unlucky 300 million they’re probably right!

  492. Russian Under Your Bed Avatar
    Russian Under Your Bed

    Self driving cars are gonna crash a lot outside of well mapped big cities. I was trying to figure out why online maps have a break near my house where the road goes through. When I hit satellite view the reason was there, a large oak leaning over the road and the stupid software can’t figure it out. With that view It really does look like a dead end at both ends. Others are dead ends and claim they go through. Someone is going into the lake.

    Even in the city it’s going to be fun between lane closings or a wrecked cars/object that matches the horizon.

  493. Chris Drongers Avatar
    Chris Drongers

    Nick gets it. No governmemt is going to make your gas car piloted by you illegal. The insurance companies will make it too expensive to operate, even a first gen self driving car will have a crash rate so much lower than a Good ‘ol boy that you won’t be able to afford to pay your insurance, or if uninsured the person you hit, or the homeowner whose mailbox you took out on a wide corner on snow will sue you back to a bough shed in the woods. Private property rights are what will kill human driven cars.

    1. KhadijahMuhammad Avatar
      KhadijahMuhammad

      “The insurance companies will make it too expensive to operate”

      Pure conjecture without data to back it up.

      1. Chris Drongers Avatar
        Chris Drongers

        Precedent: cost of insuring Florida beachfront property against rising seas without federal subsidy and the Army Corps of Engineers as backup. A foreseeable, therefore assessable and chargeable risk

        1. KhadijahMuhammad Avatar
          KhadijahMuhammad

          Apples and oranges. Let’s stick to autos, shall we?

          Insurance rates rise and fall based on perceived risk. The conjecture here is that self-driving vehicles will prove to have *substantially* less risk than personally driven vehicles. If it’s 10% or 20%…..that’s not going to change current reality much at all. A decade ago when gas prices were hitting 4-5-6 dollars a gallon, it was noted that people didn’t change their driving habits until the cost to operate their vehicles nearly doubled.

          So, we need to have at least a 40-50% decrease in premiums to cause a market change. What we dont know yet is how much safer (if at all) a self-driving vehicle will be compared to a human driver **in a fully tricked out vehicle with a complete array of sensor aids**. We of course do not have that data because so few vehicles with 360 degree audio and visual sensors, and automatic braking, are in service.

          My instinct tells me that the human computer, given the same access to potential collision data as the self-driving car, will perform within 10-20% of the self-driving, thus no massive shift to self-driving takes place.

          1. Chris Drongers Avatar
            Chris Drongers

            I agree that humans will follow the boiled frog re response to incrementally increasing costs. Better to get the autodrive 99.999% right then hit drivers with a 100-200% premium to drive yourself. Or charge by the mile in self or auto drive mode. Abyway, evidence suggests that a significant percentage of drivers prefer checking phones or texting to actually driving

          2. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
            Giovanni Sagredo

            For the user using a fleet car personal insurance cost will drop 100%.

  494. JoeAmerica Avatar
    JoeAmerica

    I despise getting on airplanes. They’re filthy, smell of hundreds of former passengers, fat, perspiring people, people wearing dreadlocks, eating burgers, coughing, vermin laden vehicles and cramped seats. All this in an effort to save money? I’ll keep my vehicle and gladly pay the price.

  495. Grutch Avatar
    Grutch

    Im still going to ride my fkn motorcycle.

  496. picar99 Avatar
    picar99

    Here we have an excellent example of agenda driven journalism, which is a major reason why no one with half a brain trusts the media.

  497. KhadijahMuhammad Avatar
    KhadijahMuhammad

    What seems to be forgotten is that people often enjoy driving.

    1. Chris Drongers Avatar
      Chris Drongers

      And some enjoy riding horses. So? Not many horses commute in Queens or Butte.

  498. Another Commenter Avatar
    Another Commenter

    “Autonomous” cars will go where the State and the corporations want you to go. And if they don’t want to provide transportation, you’ll walk. Private cars = freedom. Autonomous cars = totalitarian dystopia.

  499. Mike Gilmer Avatar
    Mike Gilmer

    This is pure fantasy tree hugging male bovine feces.

  500. Elwood Slub Avatar
    Elwood Slub

    Morons!

    1. Chris Drongers Avatar
      Chris Drongers

      Yeah, i know. The petrol fumes have fugged their brains

  501. ManWithout A Country Avatar
    ManWithout A Country

    Another Obama wet dream… Remember Al Gore’s end of the world prediction (now passed)? Electric everything (batteries, solar panels, et. al.) cost more to produce then the old combustion vehicle.

    Like Obama said, “If we can get gas to $10.00/gal, we can sell electric cars.” The true liberal philosophy.

    1. Elwood Slub Avatar
      Elwood Slub

      Obozo wet dream….with which moron did he/it have the dream

      1. ManWithout A Country Avatar
        ManWithout A Country

        With his bud, domestic American terrorist – ghost writer… figure it out yourself.

  502. Neal Schultz Avatar
    Neal Schultz

    I call shenanigans on this. This is all about promoting the Agenda 2031 where people no longer live (or can buy) single family homes and we must all live in smaller high rise apartment houses and everyone must take public transit all in the name of greater government regulation and control of your life. Fight this FUTURE FAKE NEWS. This is just crazy. They tried forcing us into car pools but that didn’t work…because in each work place people come from 20 different locations and all need to do 20 different things and times and places after work. This is is just the latest argument to get us all thinking like Captain Planet and give up more of our freedom to live in a government supplied dome. Soon….they globalists will be charging us for the air we breathe. “Hey it’s just a cleaning fee to keep everyone breathing the best air possible!”. Unh huh. Stay sharp people….. Just remember GREEN is the new RED…..

  503. WorthC Avatar
    WorthC

    Here we have an excellent example of agenda driven journalism, proposing a preposterous scenario that in 13 short years from now a huge, century old industry will be dead, replaced by a new huge industry whose components and infrastructure presently do not exist. It’s no coincidence that the proposed industry will be essentially state controlled, shaped by tax codes, and drastically restrictive to individual freedom, the author’s risible fig leaf of “economically driven” change notwithstanding. These people are scary. They want everything you have, and everything you’re ever going to have.

  504. Captain chaos Avatar
    Captain chaos

    This concept fails to consider the most important thing in people’s lives…time. I can get to work faster if I get in my car and go right now. I don’t have time to be at the mercy of something over which I have no control. I am not alone.

    The aev is just a repackaged existing product. It is a motor vehicle. Nothing has changed in terms of getting from point a to point b except that it will take longer. The change from horse to car was embraced because of an increase in speed (distance/time). This service will be a convenience but I don’t see it as an everyday way of living unless it can get from a to b faster than I can right now

  505. Peter Trzop Avatar
    Peter Trzop

    I want to be a futurists! You can make stuff up and no one will be around to care if you are right.

  506. froggy546 Avatar
    froggy546

    More nonsense from the likes of people like Gore. Full of bull and no substance. I will keep my car as I have no intention of letting the government know where I am going, when I am going and if I am going.

  507. shannon henderson Avatar
    shannon henderson

    The longer I live the more I see that most people do not love freedom, enjoy being slaves. I don’t want to have to called someone/something and wait for a car, even if it’s 1 minute. I want to be able to go when I want to go and when I want to go without a third party being involved.

  508. shp Avatar
    shp

    Yes, this might work in libturd states where they’re paying 19 cents a kilowatt hour for power and around three dollars for a gallon of gas but not in the rest of the country where they’re paying 11 cents for a kilowatt hour and closer to two dollars for a gallon for gas.

    But keep trying, there’s a fool born every minute.

  509. cyberdove Avatar
    cyberdove

    What good are cheaper products when nobody has a job?

  510. Rhonie Briley Avatar
    Rhonie Briley

    This is the same type of report that we heard back in the 1960’s, saying we will have flying cars, and everyone would have one by the year 2000. Where is my flying car?

    1. Buck Glynn Avatar
      Buck Glynn

      THey also predicted the sea would flood NY and Florida.

  511. FredRicksberg Avatar
    FredRicksberg

    Right. Great thinking tank.

  512. Dan Avatar
    Dan

    Most states can not find the funds to fix the potholes in the roads and cities are far worse. Pipe dream wish piece.

  513. Auspex Avatar

    No doubt criminals and organized crime will jump at this technology. This think tank seems to be suffering from a migraine.

  514. Buck Glynn Avatar
    Buck Glynn

    If the Democrats Have their Way, we will be a poor Third World Country dominated by Hispanics and Muslims by 2030.. Terrorism will be the headline daily.

    1. SavageGulf Avatar
      SavageGulf

      At least the women won’t be allowed to drive. They might be half right.

  515. SavageGulf Avatar
    SavageGulf

    I thought we’d all be dead from global warming by then. What a relief. No wonder Earnhardt retired.

  516. mrgb Avatar
    mrgb

    “A brilliant red Barchetta….”

  517. sodacrackers2 Avatar
    sodacrackers2

    Either that or we will be begging the Amish for help on how to live off the grid!

  518. Ranger_Ric Avatar
    Ranger_Ric

    Yeah yeah… When I was in grade school in the 70s I was told by the time I graduated, all road signs would be in kilometers and we would have flying cars by the time I graduated.

    1. Giovanni Sagredo Avatar
      Giovanni Sagredo

      All US road signs ARE in 62.5% Kilometers (and they have been since before the 70s).

    2. Will Avatar
      Will

      Yep. In the 60s, we were told that the family car would fly and roads would become obsolete, that the first child would be born on the moon in 1980, and we would colonize Mars by 2000. ‘They’ also said we would run out of water by 2000, but would have frozen to death from Global Cooling by 1990 anyway.

      As far as metric signs, we were supposed to convert Jan 1, 1976, but Congress chickened out Nov 1975 just before their Thanksgiving-Christmas recess. Back then, all road signs already were dual and many filling stations had bought pumps selling in liters. Plus, I, like many kids, had only learned the metric system years earlier in grade school. Then Congress mandated that everyone return to the English system. I still don’t understand what an ounce is.

  519. oldvlc Avatar
    oldvlc

    This is bravo sierra. In fact I think this whole website is bravo sierra. This is what happens when you use education to brainwash students.

  520. Trump Rules Avatar
    Trump Rules

    We will all be delivered by drones owned by bezos

  521. recallpost Avatar
    recallpost

    Only liberals will be without cars.

  522. Steve Lobber Avatar
    Steve Lobber

    Ha! Sounds more like a communistic society, where no one owns property, but all is property of the state. Crackpot dreamers and the claim one’s predictions about solar power has come true – well, solar power went from 1% to 2% of the total power in use. Well, a lot of Obama cronies were able to take $millions from government (our) funds to pay for their pie in the sky scams (ex. Solyndra).

  523. John Bball Avatar
    John Bball

    25 years ago these forward thinkers said a global ice age was coming shortly.
    Then 15 years ago we were told global warming will put us 5 feet under water in 10 years.
    50 years ago these forward thinkers told us we would have nuclear powered cars and electricity would be too cheap to meter.

  524. John Bball Avatar
    John Bball

    Wont do ride sharing for the same reason i don’t do the bus….. I want to avoid bed bugs, drunkard’s vomit, used condoms, jerry curl on the windows, druggies needles etc etc etc.

  525. Fathom40 Avatar
    Fathom40

    “Lead consultant and co-author Tony Seba, who specialises in disruptive technologies. His early forecasts for the enormous uptake of solar where considered crazy, but were proved right, and he has since said that new technologies will make coal, oil and gas all but redundant by 2030).”

    This one quote tells you all you need to know about how idiotic this article is.

  526. Dd1055 Avatar
    Dd1055

    These silly and foolish electric cars will be powered by solar, wind, and unicorn flatulence. Rubbish..

  527. way2confused Avatar
    way2confused

    what will happen to the tens of millions of auto manufacturing jobs? Where will these people work and what will they do. And last I heard, electric cars can’t go more than a few hundred miles on a single charge. What abut those of us who what to drive across country? Oh, right, UN Agenda 21 will confine us to the coasts living in shoe boxes and the middle of the country will be off limits to most people–elitist globalists will be exempted.

  528. YesMeansNOMeansYES Avatar
    YesMeansNOMeansYES

    Amazing to me how so many people are excited to be useless

  529. Billygoattincan Avatar
    Billygoattincan

    The author is trawling for fools and naifs. Never gonna happen. Just another rationale for the millenials to delay savings, hoping that millenials will keep spending and further delay savings because no car will be needed.

  530. Bill Thrower Avatar
    Bill Thrower

    pure BS.
    First of all people will still want to take trips so they will need cars. They will still need their pickups to get yard supplies, waste removal, lumber for home projects etc…
    When you can pile a family of four with luggage into one of these electric cars in Chicago and take it all the way to Disney World in Orlando FL then we will talk.

    So sick of liberals thinking everyone lives in a major city and just can’t wait to be dependent on the government for everything.
    Think about it. Do you really want the government to control when, where or even IF you will be allowed to travel?

  531. fatticous Avatar
    fatticous

    All of these predictions are always 13-20-50 years out so no one will remember or care.It’s just designed to get you into an uproar about something,IE the stupid global warming crap that is just weather!!

    1. Gabby Johnson Avatar
      Gabby Johnson

      good point. BTW, per 1970’s geniuses we are supposed to be under 100 ft of snow right now…..ho hum…

      1. Drive-by-Comment Avatar
        Drive-by-Comment

        Parts of California got 50 feet this past winter. It was snowing a few weeks ago.

        1. Gabby Johnson Avatar
          Gabby Johnson

          hmm, maybe there is an upside to all this after all?

  532. Gabby Johnson Avatar
    Gabby Johnson

    Idiotic progressive nonsense posing as bellwether. Cage liner journalism at its worst! I would expect this type of nonsense in NYT or Yahoo or WAPO or LATimes.

    Anyhoo, its just like the garbage about Trump hating Bannon. Psy-ops pure and simple. Drive the narrative by driving the discourse by making up stories.

    Wishful thinking. Is the author related to ALGORE?

  533. acidulous Avatar
    acidulous

    Sounds like a globalist’s wet dream. Leftists don’t like the peasants owning cars. Just like they don’t like them living outside of jammed urban settings. They want them to reply on public transport. Call it anything you want, what is described is essentially public transportation. Bet none of the jobs losses and disruptions will cause them to rethink immigration though. Keep bringing in more and more peasants and subject the rest of us to a peasant lifestyle. No thanks.

  534. Jeff Hamilton Avatar
    Jeff Hamilton

    Zero chance I’m giving up my truck and the freedom it provides to have a latte and a ride in an autonomous car. Maybe younger generations will not want that same freedom, but I’m not remotely interested.

  535. Aaron Dervrak Avatar
    Aaron Dervrak

    This…might….be true in some of the larger metropolitan areas, but I can guaran-damn-tee that no company or local government is going to send a “free” car out the 50 miles of rough dirt and gravel roads in my rural area every time I want to make a beer run or go grocery shopping. My pickup will still be hauling me around in 2030 and long after…

  536. claymore cluepile Avatar
    claymore cluepile

    yah sure youbetcha….next thing you know some looney will be predicting that people will fly through the air by the millions in great silvery tin cigar tubes with tiny wings at over 500 miles an hour using engines that have no propellers

  537. ata777 Avatar
    ata777

    maybe YOU won’t own a car, but I sure as hell will

  538. Paul Rodgers Avatar
    Paul Rodgers

    Keep on dreaming and spouting your political agenda. When you grow up you will see that the people of the world are smarter than you and we recognize that there is NO green energy alternative that is COST EFFECTIVE at this time or any time in the near future. The ONLY reason that wind and solar power have gained any traction is because of MASSIVE government subsidies, many of which ended in taxpayer losses.

  539. Drive-by-Comment Avatar
    Drive-by-Comment

    Insane.

  540. sentinel45 Avatar
    sentinel45

    The kind of bs you get from writers who live in coastal cities. They have absolutely no clue. Personal car = freedom = America.

  541. J2 Avatar
    J2

    The article fails to mention that EVs are relatively low ranged vehicles, and that battery technology has hit a plateau. It also ignores the fact that the subsidies for EVs are going to go away under Trump, while at the same time the regulatory burdens imposed on coal, oil, and gas under Obama are getting repealed.

    Electric still isn’t competitive with gas when it comes to travel range and cost per mile.

  542. Dennis Avatar
    Dennis

    People in giant cities have already by in large stopped buying cars. This isn’t going to affect smaller cites and rural areas much at all though.

  543. Gerrett Sipsma Avatar
    Gerrett Sipsma

    Your all missing the real point staring us in the face. Why are we allowing think tanks to take over true democracy. Are you not sick of college and university educated (spoiled children) deciding our future for us, all the while sidestepping our input? I also have no doubt the one percent while still have garages filled with gas guzzlers.

  544. Mike Oswald Avatar
    Mike Oswald

    I’m 52 now, I’ll be riding Harleys well into my 90s.

  545. oscar1939 Avatar
    oscar1939

    And Hillary was going to be elected in 2016

  546. Humility Avatar
    Humility

    Sure! Every government plan says it will save money … and then bureaucracy happens.
    .
    Taxes! Taxes! Taxes! Give ’em all to the wonderful pigs who will redistribute equally.

  547. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    I hate writers that inject acronyms (ICE, Taas, etc) without ever telling you what they mean. Also, terrible grammar in several areas. Its almost as if the author did not check his work.

  548. Jay Iff Avatar
    Jay Iff

    But how will “gangstas” do drive by shootings?!?!?

    1. T-grondo Avatar
      T-grondo

      True…and what will bank robbers do without their “get away drivers”?

      1. not having much fun Avatar
        not having much fun

        They will most likely ‘speed away’ not to exceed posted speed limit…loll

  549. Gorilla Mojo Avatar
    Gorilla Mojo

    have fun installing a evs in southside Chicago!

  550. Janet Noll Avatar
    Janet Noll

    No way you elite pigs. You want us groveling, living in tents, without any ways to protect ourselves and now foresee the masses unable to transport, keep dreaming. We know your greatest fears and see it with every zombie movie. Keep the memories clear and in focus, make us too mad and we will come for you and drag you out of your homes and eat you.

  551. FU Avatar
    FU

    THIS IS MORE of the demented democRATS big government taking away personal freedoms. Pick n’ flick those democRAT boogers.

  552. JS biggs Avatar
    JS biggs

    Yes, and we’ll all have flying cars by 2015. Think Mcfly, think!

  553. kleronomia Avatar
    kleronomia

    Bullcrap. Absolute bull. Then there wouldn’t be anymore fast and furious movies. But in all seriousness I don’t think the guy sees how deep the love affair goes between some car owners and their vehicles, whether it’s a car, truck, sportscar or whatever, I don’t see people giving up on private ownership.

  554. Areyoukiddingme Avatar
    Areyoukiddingme

    Big brother has gotten way too big

  555. Stefan Martin Avatar

    Think of all the revenue streams that will end:
    #1 Drunk Driving Fines/Lawyers costs
    #2 Car Insurance- FYI There is no way in hell they will exist if these cars are perfect.
    #3 Drive Thru / Food
    #4 Taxi Drivers UBER will be the First to die IMO
    #5 Auto body shops
    #6 The List goes on and on Add to it
    ***** Add to it

  556. kcsparky Avatar
    kcsparky

    Someone is smokin’ way too much crack!

  557. ernldo Avatar
    ernldo

    BS! I don’t live anywhere close to a city, and they want my pickup, send the same clowns that want my firearms, but it won’t be easy…..

  558. Colleen and Ross Avatar
    Colleen and Ross

    The article is intriguing but overstates the percentage of people that won’t own cars or use them. My guess is the elites and even upper middle class will still power up and run their fossil commuters to the office. Also guess this outfit never heard of a pick up truck, Fords number one selling vehicle.

    1. aamericanovice Avatar
      aamericanovice

      Why would a city dweller know what a pickup truck is or why a person would have one?

  559. Eurobaby Avatar
    Eurobaby

    This is right up there with hydrofarms, monorails, and Mars colonies…

  560. Bob Avatar
    Bob

    Another global warming scam … people are not going to give up the independence of driving when and where they desire. The model does not account for peak demand, congestion, charging, utility transmission load increases (electrical transmission lines cannot handle the additional loads and have a long lead time to add capacity). Globalist pipe dream.

  561. Bunky Avatar
    Bunky

    We’ll all be zooming around in jet packs before this happens.

  562. Joe Lizak Avatar
    Joe Lizak

    Globalists dream. A cashless society, zero individual car freedom, iris scans at every turn and 90% of people living in 100 story micro apartments in large eco-cities.

    1. CumExApostolatus Avatar
      CumExApostolatus

      Don’t forget soylent green. We don’t want to waste anything.

  563. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    Solar over fossil fuels? Really? Unit per Unit….right now you cannot get the amount of energy out of solar than a lump of coal will provide. There are more BTU’s available in that lump of coal. Until solar panels can capture and use more than20% of solar radiation and battery technology can improve to store that energy, solar will not be viable for the masses. The U.S. has over 200 years of energy between clean coal and natural gas

    1. aamericanovice Avatar
      aamericanovice

      Liberals have a huge problem conceptualizing numbers. Give them a break.

      1. Mike Avatar
        Mike

        Yep. Reminds me of the time a oil activist walked up to me to sign a petition to ban oil. I told her, no thanks, I like the products that come from oil…like computers, tires, cars, medical supplies, …and that pen you are using…

    2. Joe Lizak Avatar
      Joe Lizak

      Solar and electric car technology is being surpressed from the public.

      1. Mike Avatar
        Mike

        Righhhhttt…those evil oil businessmen are keeping all new technology from taking over. Actually those same oil companies are investing in solar and battery technology…because if there is sure chance of it actually overtaking oil revenues…they want to be the first to be there…

  564. Smitty Avatar
    Smitty

    I don’t think the author understands that a great portion of the country is rural and suburban. The future is supposed to be about “convenience”, and waiting for a fleet car is not convenient. Therefore, it won’t happen.

  565. Red47 Jesus in a Che Shirt Avatar
    Red47 Jesus in a Che Shirt

    Bloomberg has an article with the real reason this is going forward:
    “A single autonomous car can generate the same data trove as 3,000 people surfing the internet, ”
    There is nothing left for the human. We are simply consumers now..

  566. Joe Lizak Avatar
    Joe Lizak

    Remember in the 1950’s they told us by the year 2000 everyone will be driving cars that fly? I don’t see many George Jetsons…. do you?

  567. mind gorilla Avatar
    mind gorilla

    driving, home ownership, 1st amendment, 2nd amendment, jobs, freedom, gender …it’s all in the PAST and will be gone by 2030 – signed your progressive masters

  568. not having much fun Avatar
    not having much fun

    Cab companies have been around for years, so have buses, and other public transportation. These are most effective in cities, but how has that had any effect of car ownership? Auto ownership is at an all time high. Uber and Lyft, pray on the lower classes, to convince them to use their own vehicle to ferry people around. For some temporary cash, the owner / operator, uses his time and health of his vehicle (depreciation). Not too bright. So UBER and LYFT, create an app to make it easier for rider and operator to connect, and the app sets the price, of which Uber takes a large slice. Great buisness concept, but not to terribly good for the operator, as they will need a new car in short order, not to mention their double SS payments to FED and other FED taxes.

  569. Monty Simmons Avatar
    Monty Simmons

    LOL. No way the lawyers in black robes (judges), cops and government will let this happen. Too much money in being road pirates and shaking down the driving citizen for money.

    Consider this, the cops and lawyers in black robes always tell us how dangerous speeding is and such “danger” justifies the court’s actions in taking a drivers money and perhaps even putting a driver in jail, perhaps ruining the driver’s life, etc.

    So one would think if the government could stop speeding it would, right? Wrong. If no one exceeded the speed limit or drove badly the need for lawyers in black robes, road pirates, and its associated revenue stream would be significantly reduced! Further, these lawyers in black robes and cops may act like they “hate” taking actions that ruin driver’s lives but they actually love it. Nothing makes a judge happier than sending a citizen to jail although such judge will profess to her last breath the opposite is true.

    Now consider this, if a driver got a speeding ticket EVERY TIME he went over the speed limit, how many people would speed? Almost none. Great, right, all we have to do is monitor drivers so that a very high percentage of time they speed they get a ticket. Use a black box in all cars that knows how is driving and monitors the drivers speed and location. When the driver speeds, the black box records the location, speed and time and transmits a ticket when in range of a wireless signal.

    Could easily be done with today’s technology. But the government will not implement such a system as it would have a huge impact and almost eliminate all speeding. But then what would all the lawyers in black robes and road pirates do?

    Point is, the government wants people to get caught speeding X percent of the time where X is low enough that people continue to speed but and only get caught X percent of the time.

    If no one has a car the ability for lawyers in black robes to abuse their power and put citizens in jail and cops to play road pirate almost goes away. No way the government will support letting that happen.

  570. Bossman Avatar
    Bossman

    now explain to me how they were so correct on solar power, hardly see anyone adopting this and it would go nowhere without government subsidies.

  571. Yukiko Avatar
    Yukiko

    We’ll all be living on and driving boats because global warming will have melted the ice caps and flooded the world. There won’t be any need or use for automobiles.

  572. CombatMissionary Avatar
    CombatMissionary

    This depends on electric cars having batteries that both have enough energy density to have ranges competitive with gas cars, plus rechargeability times approaching that of a simple fuel-up, and being as cheaply manufactured as internal combustion engines, as well as on the majority of Americans living in super-population -dense areas.

    The problem is that we’re moving to a virtual workforce model; when most white-collar workers telecommute, we can expect to see people moving away from city centers with their crime and crappy schools, and more people moving to small towns where the housing is cheaper. If we also continue to see virtual schools grow, this trend can be expected to increase, as people won’t be chained to a few magnet neighborhoods to have access to good middle- and high schools.

    Also, people wanting to live in superdense urban centers for the night life while having serial cohabitative relationships tend to have very few children, and this trend is only going to get more so with the rise of the MGTOW movement, birth control pills for men and/or young men getting vasectomies, as well as disillusioned young men getting fembots in order to avoid relationships with feministic harpies.

    Couple this with ever-more-advanced robotics cutting out manufacturing jobs, and we may be looking at an exploding economy (assuming Trump can get taxes and the welfare state under control), and we might start seeing most of the population living in the suburbs or even rurally again.

  573. Charlie Victor Alpha Avatar
    Charlie Victor Alpha

    I’ll own a car, because I want to.

  574. not having much fun Avatar
    not having much fun

    Try hooking up a 5th wheel onto an electric car. I think that the towing and camping industry will have some sway as to private ownership of vehicles. Cities may benefit from this, but not in fly over country.

  575. canoe39 Avatar
    canoe39

    It will be a lot more years than this prediction before electric cars make sense dollar wise.

  576. Joe Lizak Avatar
    Joe Lizak

    The EV-1 would get 180 miles per charge. It worked perfect for nearly every driver. There was zero maintenance except for tires. It was a fantastic car. So big oil crushed them in the Arizona desert. (Who Killed the Electric Car) … a great documentary.

    1. shp Avatar
      shp

      Yes, 180 miles when it was warm outside and that went down to what, half that during the winter months? You know gas powered engines don’t lose that kind of range based on the weather, right?

      And are you supposed to own another vehicle when you want to take a trip further than 90 miles from home one way?

      And I’m still waiting for those electric charging stations every ten miles on the Interstate. You know, where you can find Big Oil to fill up? Where’s Big Electric?

      And as long as half the country is paying around $2 for a gallon of gas electric cars aren’t going to be in favor.

      Hello

      1. Joe Lizak Avatar
        Joe Lizak

        Most gay men say…. “HELLO”?

        1. shp Avatar
          shp

          ROFL at you, kid.

          That’s the best you got?

          You must not own anything, because even an idiot such as yourself should also know an electric car isn’t towing a boat, RV, trailer, etc.

          Go back to your Mom’s basement, sonny.

        2. T-grondo Avatar
          T-grondo

          And what is the matter with being gay?

  577. Bobby Walker Avatar
    Bobby Walker

    bullshit of the highest order, not in fifty years

  578. ikazuchi01 Avatar
    ikazuchi01

    “Or getting a free ride because the local government has decided to make transport easier.” – Ah, the government “free ride” – because no one will pay for that out of their taxes. It just will magically happen from the government money tree and “cost” the government to supply, not us.

  579. Mary Berg Avatar
    Mary Berg

    Oh yeah?! I’ll give up my car when you can pry my cold, dead hands from the steering wheel, with my .380 safely by my side, of course.

  580. Mr Dave Avatar
    Mr Dave

    The same happen to the printing press? Better checknagain, the printing press is very much alive and well on planet earth.

  581. alex carter Avatar
    alex carter

    Fewer and fewer people can afford one.

  582. mostcool Avatar
    mostcool

    This article must have been written by a bot. What a horrible example of editing.

    Hire an editor.

    1. T-grondo Avatar
      T-grondo

      The editor couldn’t get a ride to work!!!!

      1. Joe Lizak Avatar
        Joe Lizak

        LOL’s

    2. CumExApostolatus Avatar
      CumExApostolatus

      It’s edited by a person whose native tongue isn’t English. I’d guess a Chinese person.

  583. PatriotPenumbra Avatar
    PatriotPenumbra

    We’re also supposed to be under water in 13 years because of global warming…..again…

    1. CumExApostolatus Avatar
      CumExApostolatus

      Check out Ray Waru on “Project Seal” and there is also a recent news article titled “Tsunami Bomb Tested Off New Zealand Coast” which happened during WWII. Scribd has a document from 1950 titled, “The Final Report of Project Seal”.

  584. Joe Lizak Avatar
    Joe Lizak

    There is only one way this could happen. Globalists start WW3. Nearly all of America is wiped clean. They rebuild all infrastructure according to Agenda 21. People are slaves.

  585. ricco Avatar
    ricco

    My prediction: autonomous cars will be dirty, smell bad (puke and urine) and be full of graffiti inside and out.

    1. Joe Lizak Avatar
      Joe Lizak

      I see you rode in a New York cab too.

      1. ricco Avatar
        ricco

        former Bronxite

        1. Joe Lizak Avatar
          Joe Lizak

          My brother went to Prat.

    2. T-grondo Avatar
      T-grondo

      Cleaning out the autonomous cars will be one of those “jobs of the future”!

  586. Colleen Egan Avatar
    Colleen Egan

    Mr Seba obviously lives in a big city with little or no touch with the world outside the block he lives on. He takes the bus or train or rides in Uber or cabs. He probably doesn’t own a car or if he does, doesn’t know what make/model it is or anything about it other than where the key goes on the dash and how to put gas in it. Otherwise, no idea. He can’t drive a stick either. He uses VR for porn at least once a week. What he doesn’t know is the world outside his own thoughts and head. There are millions of collector cars in garages in this country. All of which use leaded gas. Farmers will never give up “cars/trucks” something has to plow the field. 2030 is only 13 yrs from now. Millenials who write this stuff confuse the rest of us who actually live in the real world. In 13 years, I will be 64 yrs old. I will still be driving my 1970 Corvette with lead additive in the tank and a fuel cap that vents to the atmosphere. Because I can. Cars will be gone in 2030! No, Mr Seba, you’ll just be 13 yrs older and hopefully wiser. You should get outside once in a while and get the smell of your mothers basement and that coffee shop off ya.

  587. jeffH Avatar
    jeffH

    Solar is sill 12% of electric grid.What heavy penetration are They referring to.

  588. Reddog Avatar
    Reddog

    Look how the world just got hacked by ransomware. How about GPS jammers?…It is after all a satellite radio signal. Can we really trust driverless cars on the road in great numbers when they’ve crashed before? I’d feel safer on a horse.

  589. Wearyman Avatar
    Wearyman

    This is idiotic. Battery power technology is NOWHERE NEAR where it needs to be for this to happen. Yes, some batteries exist that get about halfway to the goal this guy is predicting, but they are incredibly unstable and unsafe to use in automotive applications. This isn’t just a matter of the structure of the batteries, but of the chemistry and physics involved with how they work. As Mr. Scott was fond of saying: “Ya canna’ change the laws of physics!” Until such time as a brand new battery tech is developed that is lightyears better than current battery tech, we will still be driving regular cars for the foreseeable future.

    Of course, none of that touches on the massive cultural shift that would be required for this to happen. Yes, Uber is popular in cities and even suburbs due to the high cost of car ownership. But even there the “uberites” do mostly WANT cars, they just aren’t practical on a cost basis. And in the suburbs and countryside they are pretty much a requirement to get anywhere.

    However, when we realize that the excess cost of ownership is MOSTLY imposed upon car owners in a top-down fashion via government regulation we can see the answer to fixing that problem. If we lighten up regulation on the car manufacturers and oil producers the cost of auto ownership would decline dramatically. We could utterly do away with the CAFE standards, for starters, then dump mandatory Ethanol blending and allow the industry to create a uniform fuel standard, cutting down an 50 different state’s worth of custom fuel blends, etc. These are just a couple examples, but there is PLENTY that we can do to improve auto ownership.

    Also, the truth is: PEOPLE LIKE THEIR CARS. A car is still very much a personal statement, and an issue of Freedom of Movement. If you are dependent on a pay-to-play service to get anywhere, you are dependent on someone else and something else. Americans prefer independence. It’s kind of our thing. I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

  590. Mickey Mouse Avatar
    Mickey Mouse

    Remember in the fifties, by 2000 we would all have rocket packs, or flying cars.

  591. Macranthunter Avatar
    Macranthunter

    This assumes all people do is go to work. Americans DO things. They carry things. They MAKE things. Things that you can’t carry in Uber. Cars aren’t transportation in the US -they are a means to production. Articles like this are wishcasting not predictions. They hope that by saying Americans won’t own cars maybe they can CONVINCE them not to own cars.

  592. Speedzzter Avatar
    Speedzzter

    I’ll be glad when the idiots go to self-driving welfare cars. More fuel for me and I’ll be able to slash my way through traffic (intimidating the computer-controlled autonomous cars into yielding with daring moves only a skilled human driver can make)

  593. Joseph D. Avatar
    Joseph D.

    …”Because electricity is free!”

  594. Joe Lizak Avatar
    Joe Lizak

    Globalists have pipe dreams. Then they pay a writer $500 bucks to put it in print. Let the idea fly in the wind…. see what the reaction is. See what might stick. This “no car for you” idea is flying like a lead balloon.

  595. Edward Brandwein Avatar
    Edward Brandwein

    If the industry doesn’t find a way to make an affordable car it might be true. Already many younger folks no longer desire a car the way people from my generation did years ago. Between the cost of the car, the insurance, gas repairs, etc, its too expensive for a lot of people now.

    1. Joe Lizak Avatar
      Joe Lizak

      Your words are true. My 28 year old neighbor has no interest is owning a car. It’s stunning.

    2. Wearyman Avatar
      Wearyman

      It’s not the industry doing this though, It’s the government. Regulations on the auto industry (and all the connecting industries that feed into the auto industry, such as oil, tires, electronics, steel, etc.) have been regulated nearly to death in the US. If we can dump much of this regulation, then we can drastically reduce the cost of doing business, and thus the cost of car ownership.

      1. CumExApostolatus Avatar
        CumExApostolatus

        It isn’t the ‘government’. It’s the government taking orders from the corporate overlords.

      2. Edward Brandwein Avatar
        Edward Brandwein

        Agreed. But the industry needs to lead that charge. So far, all I see is prices continuously rising. There is no pressure on anyone to go the other way. The market will kill the auto industry all by itself if it continues for too much longer.

  596. Bilderberg Chairman Avatar
    Bilderberg Chairman

    Shove that right up your ar$e Soros – (SIDEWAYS)

  597. MauserK98 Avatar

    Old GM commercial, It’s not just your car, it’s your freedom

    In the middle ages serfs were not allowed to travel outside of 5 miles from the Lord’s manner. It’s just no your car, it’s your freedom.

  598. Who cares? Avatar
    Who cares?

    So the kid that just got out spit on the floor, the creep next door masturbated in the car an hour ago, the smelly lady upstairs takes her cats to the vet in it and leaves hair everywhere, little brat down the street grabbed every bar and rail with his sticky grubby hands…yeah just sounds pleasant! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e4583256abd596f2569de629f6ab944b6cc012ed1efe6c693382b545a4ecfce7.jpg

  599. Bilderberg Chairman Avatar
    Bilderberg Chairman

    Here’s a better idea: overthrow the globalists, hang them lamp-posts, use their assets to pay off national debts and build border walls and require Israel to take in 5 million refugees.

  600. S Campbell Avatar
    S Campbell

    so, he predicts that all global car companies will have to share 5 million cars globally in sales……. new EVs will last forever he says. what a dreamer !

  601. Fed Up Taxpayer Avatar
    Fed Up Taxpayer

    Didn’t even get past the first paragraph. What a load of tripe.

  602. CumExApostolatus Avatar
    CumExApostolatus

    The article states: “The report, by RethinkX, an independent think tank that focuses on technology-driven disruption and its implications across society, says this stunning and radical will be driven entirely by economics, and will overcome the current desire for individual car ownership, starting first in the big cities and then spreading to the suburbs and regional areas.” (AN INDEPENDENT THINK TANK… Now, that IS humorous!)
    The reason these ‘think’ tanks are so prescient is they are TOLD what the agenda is and they are told what parts are to be pushed out to the public, on what timetable and in what increments.
    The powers that be have decided that this is the ‘century of change’ and you have too large a ‘carbon footprint’ and You are a cancer on the planet. You know what the gold standard of care is for cancer, right? It’s cut, slash, and burn with toxic chemicals which eventually get rid of you rather than cure the cancer.
    So YOU are going to be TAXED INTO THE GROUND and that’s why you aren’t going to own a automobile. It’s because you won’t be able to afford to purchase one or maintain one between all the ‘carbon’ taxes and associated ‘mileage’ taxes, ‘gasoline consumption’ and heating oil consumption taxes, etc. you’ll be paying.

    The article further states: “This is a global technology disruption. So yes, this applies to Australia,” Seba tells RenewEconomy. “And this is going to happen despite governments, not because of governments.”
    That’s right Seba. Because Seba knows that governments take their marching orders from transglobal corporations which take their marching orders from those who own and run the money system.

    “Seba does not say that individual car ownership will completely disappear. By 2030, 40 per cent of cars will still be privately owned, but they will only account for 5 per cent of kilometres traveled.”

    That’s right Seba. Because Seba has been told by his corporate masters that eventually private ownership of transportation will be only for ‘necessary travelers’ —likely meaning corporate masters and the bureaucrats who run this shytty system for the money lenders.

    Will this all happen by 2030?? Unlikely. But this is article is used as predictive programming, to get you ready for the next step in the agenda. So get ready, peasants.

  603. rdsouza Avatar
    rdsouza

    How will these cars get built/run when the power availability will fluctuate every time the sun goes behind a cloud? Or we get a snow storm that covers the solar panels? Will we have nukulear stand by generators (those would take at least 2-5 years to steam up?)? Glad I did not buy a big boat listening to Al Gore….now these folks are saying we will not be under water.

  604. Dnice Avatar
    Dnice

    lol, nice dream leftists…. I will never give up the freedom of MY OWN TRUCK….. It is the definition of freedom, freedom to go wherever I want whenever I want

  605. Michael Berry Avatar
    Michael Berry

    Interesting. However this sort of utopian dream never quite seems to work out the way predictors think it will.

  606. obamistake Avatar
    obamistake

    Just more liberal pie-in-the-sky utopian dreams. Giles Parkinson? That’s the most liberal name I’ve ever heard.

    Having a car represents freedom. I can go wherever I want, whenever I want. Reliance on something is a liberal thing.

  607. Smarter Than You Avatar
    Smarter Than You

    This article is about as credible as the glaring misspelling of “where” above.

  608. blacknblue2 Avatar
    blacknblue2

    Didn’t even spend a second reading such an idiotic idea. Did the author give one thought to the time frame? In thirteen years the author feels that this will happen?

    Time to crawl out from under those urban area sheets and look at the rest of the world. I would guess that many if not the majority of people living in Manhattan do not own a car. So it this author is looking through the prism of an urbanite — I can see where they are confused.

  609. MDatBeach Avatar
    MDatBeach

    When you walk out of the grocery store and have to wait 15 minutes for a car to take you back home 3 miles, you will be wishing you had your old car back…..but of course by then, our groceries will probably be drone delivered to our homes

  610. gman2 Avatar
    gman2

    Will they let me ride my motorcycle, how will I get my boat to the lake? What about pulling my travel trailer to a campground? I’m so screwed.

  611. atheistinside Avatar
    atheistinside

    Here comes the liberal utopia!
    I-just-can’t-wait to give up all of my privacy, liberty and freedom of movement!

    BTW this is all about the radical leftist plan of herding people into forced AGW scam compliance.

  612. Guest Avatar
    Guest

    This is absolutely insance. I don’t drive into town to buy a latte – as a stay at home mom, I’m driving kids to and from school and their various activites, running multiple errands in different locations, and trying to start a business requiring travel to multiple locations in different towns with products to sell to retail and stock – all while living in an area which receives over 250 inches of snow each winter with steep roads requiring 4-wheel drive vehicles to handle the roads in the winter.

    It seems that everyone at the above mentioned “think tank” lives in a flat area without tough winters and without children or multiple locations to drive to and from for their occupations. Bah Humbug!

    1. CVN65 Avatar
      CVN65

      Sounds like a bunch of techno nerds living in or near a big city. They cannot wrap their minds around a different reality.

  613. cosmicwxdude Avatar
    cosmicwxdude

    Perhaps someday, but there will still be PLENTY of cars 13yrs from today. The electric autonomous cars are far from being ready today and people like their privacy. Remember when the Segway was going to change everything?

  614. BobbyD Avatar
    BobbyD

    This is crap similar to the now famous Google glasses. The reason for private transportation is convenience and control. Just look at rush hour traffic in any large city full of one passenger cars. They could car pool or take public transportation but they DON’T want to. Moreover the cost of private ownership is way cheaper as the driver is free, storage is free and much of the car care is free. The comparison of a horse-drawn buggy to a Model T is irrational. Whomever wrote this report, ‘You’re not a think-tank but rather just a bunch of academics sucking off society with silly studies.’

  615. Michael Avatar
    Michael

    And they’ll be an impact on new construction. If A-EVs are the norm in 2030, what are new, detached single family homes going to look like in 2031? I wonder if garages, as we know them now, will disappear from new construction.

  616. Earl Gill Avatar
    Earl Gill

    Sounds like master planning by those who want to run your life. Give up your freedoms for their promise of utopia. No thanks but we do need to worry about the central planner who will force this on all of us by first outlawing self driving cars into the cities.

    1. Sean G. Avatar
      Sean G.

      Only problem with that is our cities are controlled by the left and the left loves control and this will be tired…

  617. Sean G. Avatar
    Sean G.

    And in other news, restaurants have made kitchens obsolete, cleaners have killed off the private ownership of washing machines… Yeah right… more global loony tunes stuff…

  618. SteveStuning Avatar
    SteveStuning

    BULLSHlT! When they come for my car, they had better come for my guns as well, because nobody is getting either of them.

  619. BBould Avatar
    BBould

    It will take a cultural revolution for this to happen and that can’t happen in less than a generation.

  620. J.d. Jackson Avatar
    J.d. Jackson

    Nope. This is the article and dream of some pimple-faced 20 something who lives in his parent’s basement, has never dated a girl, much less spoken with one, and believes that Star Trek is real. Americans will not be giving up their instruments of freedom.

  621. Daniel Morgan Avatar
    Daniel Morgan

    So, i live 50 miles from an urban area? Someone is going to pick me up in an electric car? And an electric vehicle is going to pull our 5th wheel?

  622. SurfCfl Avatar
    SurfCfl

    These morons probably live in a city where car ownership and storage is a
    hassle. It’s just another example of how lefties are incapable of imagining life outside
    of their bubble.

  623. Evil Otto Avatar
    Evil Otto

    Yeah, this goes in the same circular file that all other such “predictions” go into.

  624. 50gary Avatar
    50gary

    Buy a coffee for $4.50 and get a ride. Ha, coffee will more likely be $20.00 only you won’t have 20 dollars any dollars for that matter. Cashless transactions are coming and will be the law (for your own protection of course), you’ll never see money, and that will mean you have no money. The word money will become obsolete, banned even just like so many words are today. There won’t be any taxes because the power will have all your “money” work credits. You will be controlled by your station (class) in life. True communism, the end of self.

  625. CVN65 Avatar
    CVN65

    Yeah. We’re going to buy cars for four more years then tail off precipitously over three additional years. Bunch of idiots that never get out of the urban jungles. I live in the sticks and we have two uber drivers. Two. For a huge geographic area. And they only really want to stick to a narrow area between a few towns. What about having to make multiple trips or go to the grocery store? What about dropping kids off to multiple schools/daycare? Will each segment be a trip, charged separately? This whole thing is ridiculous. People like the independence of their own cars and some people, like me, love automobiles and view driving as a pleasure. Lots of twisty back roads where I live- mucho fun.

  626. ckirmser Avatar

    HAHAHAHA!!
    I’ll be keeping my car and will be driving it.

  627. threetoesknows Avatar
    threetoesknows

    Maybe they should have said for anyone living in a very large city. I could see this in New York, but not in Minot North Dakota…or Texas…

    1. Mac-101 Avatar
      Mac-101

      Didn’t THEY make the tolls so high it is unaffordable to drive across the bridges into NYC daily?

  628. TwinCitiesEast Avatar
    TwinCitiesEast

    General Motors and Ford will buy up all this tech and we will never see it in our lifetime.

  629. Burner57 Avatar
    Burner57

    I have a 1957 Chevy and a 1931 Ford Model A.
    I will never stop driving them.

    1. chris Avatar
      chris

      No computers and they look cool.

    2. chris Avatar
      chris

      After the first EMP, people will be begging you for a ride.

  630. chris Avatar
    chris

    I remember all the predictions in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s. Disneyworld Tomorrowland is a great example. People thought we would be in George Jetson type cars by now. This type of transportation may work for Urban areas but not in Suburban, semi rural and rural areas. I go 10+ miles to kids school, one way. Add in sports practice after school and a run to a store,the cars would run out of juice. No doubt that autonomous vehicles are coming, they have a long way to go. No way I would trust them on the winding roads and low water crossings in the Hill Country in Texas. You are going to have to pry away the pickup trucks, Suburbans and Escalades and other SUV’s.

  631. dicksi Avatar
    dicksi

    Not believing it! I remember reading Popular Science magazines during the 1950’s that promised flying cars by the year 2000. Didn’t happen!

  632. Richard_Wiggler Avatar
    Richard_Wiggler

    if the lunatic left kooks have there way
    cars won’t be the only thing in a death spiral.

  633. nicthstic Avatar
    nicthstic

    I like the idea that the auto insurance industry will be under pressure to survive the transition in his future world scenario. Car insurance is a ripoff as many uninsured and underinsured drivers are subsidized by the majority. As far the replacement of existing vehicles, I hope to have my current 18 year old Volvo on the road in 2030 with 1 million miles on the odometer. As long as I can buy or maybe 3D print the parts, the cost should not be too different from the car-on-demand business model.

  634. Willnot B. Silenced Avatar
    Willnot B. Silenced

    Nonsense
    Green nonsense… the worst kind.

  635. Andrew Shoop Avatar
    Andrew Shoop

    Speed, Free Time, Convenience in favor of TaaS? How do they figure that? How can it be more convenient/faster/take less time to use a service that has to drive out to my home/apartment to pick me up than to just hop in my car that’s already there?

    I understand the maintenance is somewhat easier, but if you just stick to newer cars, maintenance takes <2 hrs / year. Plus 5-10m/week if you consider pumping gas as maintenance.

    Even if you only take an average of 3 trips per day, a 5 minute delay waiting for your ride to show up is 15 minutes/day. And at least 2 trips are guaranteed every business day (to work from home/from work to home), plus anywhere else you need to go. Groceries, gym, visiting friends, etc.

  636. chris Avatar
    chris

    At first it will be pushed as a cost saving program, less traffic and convenience. When that doesn’t work, local governments like San Francisco will mandate it as a requirement to save the planet. In the end, it will be a forced transfer of wealth to the people running the autonomous cars. Will it save money, no. Will it save time, no. Will it save the planet, of course not. Will the autonomous car companies make billions, yes.

  637. jakartaman Avatar
    jakartaman

    This sounds nice but it is an other way our freedom is being taken away.
    Our car ownership will be taken away and you will not be allowed to have your own transportation – Next goes the guns
    Stay alert folks –

  638. mitwit Avatar
    mitwit

    The timeline is probably off but the end result seems plausible in the cities. What of the resistance of the many stakeholders imbedded in today’s system? Taxi drivers will be the first complainers but not much of a resistance bloc. Petroleum companies, parking lots, auto shops, car sales and leasing will all resist. My question is when do we change the infrastructure designs and growth plans…when will the pols give the new way the go ahead and change their plans. Gas taxes? Many future changes.Where did I leave my buggy whip?

  639. Jeff Smith Avatar
    Jeff Smith

    And there will be a record of everywhere you go.

  640. Bill Avatar
    Bill

    Wishcasting at its finest. I dont see the number of new ICE cars dropping to zero by 2024 any time soon. There are products planned for 2021 already booked and in development now.

  641. Jimmy Krakorn Avatar
    Jimmy Krakorn

    Well according to the great climate scientist Al Gore, we’re all supposed to be dead by now anyway. I live in a remote rural area. I do not have cell phone service or high speed internet as of this date. And you say I’m going to be able to get a ride to work? Do you ever get out of the city? Maybe you should.

  642. Jeff Smith Avatar
    Jeff Smith

    Maybe in the cities, but not within 13 years. What happens in a rural area where the fleet dispatcher is 20 miles away (rural Maryland) or 100 miles away (rural Texas)?

    1. 7RS Avatar
      7RS

      You are on the right track but think hundreds in Texas not just 100.

  643. 7RS Avatar
    7RS

    This report is is mostly globalist fantasy. A few state DOTs are spending money on trying to implement a strategy for autonomous infrastructure and it’s simply too complex and more importantly, there is no market for it. A few engineers and small departments in automakers are invested but probably realize these technologies will be only used to increase vehicle safety.

  644. IhateLiberals Avatar
    IhateLiberals

    Yet another pecker breath futurist spewing nonsense.

  645. Lyle Petersen Avatar
    Lyle Petersen

    Anti-freedom zealots. Also known as the left.

  646. Tommy T Avatar
    Tommy T

    His only reasoning on the 2030 guess is some 10x rule? No mention of the actually technology in his theory.

  647. Rjack Avatar
    Rjack

    If they said autos would be replaced by aero-cars then I might agree because there are a few now that can be bought. I think they are promoting this concept because it would be a gold mine for personal information gathering. Places one goes, shops, stores, friends visited, casual trips, everything, every tidbit of your life exposed for information farming.

  648. Houston Avatar
    Houston

    Imagine how crowded our streets would be if this was even possible. Instead of driving from your house to your destination and back, all these autonomous vehicles would have to drive to your house, to your destination and back, and then back to their own storage space. A lot more driving. Also, since no one really wants to wait around for an available car, we’d have to have almost as many of these autonomous cars as the cars we have today. Otherwise, you may not get to your doctor’s appointment on time, or get to the theater before the show started. And who will keep the cars clean? A lot of people will trash a car that doesn’t belong to them. This article can’t be taken seriously.

  649. RedStateSteve Avatar
    RedStateSteve

    Another stupid article written by someone who lives in NYC, LA, Chicago, Boston,etc. Who has no idea there are 10’s of millions of people who live in areas where a car/truck is a must, where no mass transit will ever exist

  650. H2 ???????? Avatar
    H2 ????????

    Let the brainwashing begin. Solar is a joke, what exactly was he right about it? People are suckers , a friend has it, said his electric bill dropped to 35 a month , but now he has a 200 dollar a month lease for the panels on his roof, a freaking lease, and if you wanna sell your house, then what??

    Ohhh the lives it will save, bbbbbb sss fear mongering to nudge you out of your cars

  651. DallasTexas Avatar
    DallasTexas

    It’s funny that the author cites prior solar power predictions to give the think tank credibility. A solar revolution that failed to happen. Always ten years away. Still less than 1% after decades of crazy growth predictions.

  652. Mind the store Avatar
    Mind the store

    Having got a planning degree, this is in the vein of what the urbanites envision – end home rule, remove local zoning (current HUD housing act moving poor, prescribed percentage monorities, into affluent areas if city receives HUD monies), precepts of Agenda 21 and so on.

  653. AZ Cowboy Avatar
    AZ Cowboy

    Total BS. A stupid dream of liberal weenies who live in cities. They can’t even drive car with manual transmission and they write garbage like this and get paid.

  654. Janet Williams Avatar
    Janet Williams

    His predictions about solar? Doesn’t mean much. It’s subsidized.
    Fifty times, per unit of energy, as much as fossil fuels. Some authorities say three hundred times, per unit of energy, as much as fossil fuel.
    THAT is the only reason anyone puts in solar.

    In Germany, they were gung ho on solar. After a few years of subsidizing it, they started building new coal-fired plants.

    PS – If we subsidized ping pong that much, we’d see a ping pong table in every single living room in America.

  655. Roy Tyrell Avatar
    Roy Tyrell

    Meet the jetsons…

    Some “futurism” has a profound and clever understanding of both human nature and economics. This has neither.

    America is too cheap and corporate minded to spend money on what REALLY needs attention: infrastructure. (see: mass transit)

    So this is the new fanasy. Slum dwellers living in crumbling cities will have cheerful, for profit, CIA approved surveillance bots ferrying them about.

    Rome is burning

  656. 5topAmnesty Avatar
    5topAmnesty

    All good and fine – but then why the h3ll are we spending TRILLIONS on new trains, when everyone will soon have door-to-door service?

    Answer – Democrats, and their donors.

    1. Roy Tyrell Avatar
      Roy Tyrell

      How do you get from “door to door” with freeways having potholes the size of moon crater..

      That “communist” public spending… lol

      1. 5topAmnesty Avatar
        5topAmnesty

        Funny, I don’t have a problem driving on roads where I live. Perhaps you live in a Democrat-run area, or maybe you just don’t try to avoid road hazards?

        1. Roy Tyrell Avatar
          Roy Tyrell

          Like Houston…. but don’t worry – we make sure to pass that cost onto you

          1. 5topAmnesty Avatar
            5topAmnesty

            Yea, the Dems have run that city for DECADES. Sorry to hear of your situation.

  657. hiram floss Avatar
    hiram floss

    yep, jammed into “green housing towers” with a “sustainable” 100sq ft living space, no car, insects for food, 24/7 tracking of your movements. where do I sign?….

    1. Roy Tyrell Avatar
      Roy Tyrell

      No S–t. Americans are sheep

    2. David Michael Avatar
      David Michael

      Yip — its UN Agenda 2030

  658. Mike_in_AL Avatar
    Mike_in_AL

    All you Luddites who refuse to jump on the wagon don’t need to worry about yukky, unsanitary things being done in the public utility electric vehicle by the last user. I’ve just invented the “cardom”. When you step through the door you are enveloped in a sheath of non-porous, sterile biodegradable non-plastic plastic (with an individual, personal breathing tube to the clean, electrified outside air). What happens in the “cardom” stays in the “cardom”. When you leave the car, the “cardom” goes with you, so no one ever sees any evidence of previous users!

    1. Roy Tyrell Avatar
      Roy Tyrell

      The rest of the world has embraced mass transit… for CENTURIES.

      The self driving car is America being both too cheap and broke to fix fundamental problems.

      1. BinRaleigh Avatar
        BinRaleigh

        Centuries? Over 200 years? think about that for a moment.

        Mass transit works in urban areas. It become ineffective in suburban and rural areas. This is true not just in the US but in Europe as well.

        1. Roy Tyrell Avatar
          Roy Tyrell

          Continental Europe, China, Japan, Russia… about every advanced functioning large landmass economy in the world has mass transit not just in cities but between every small town and village.

          But hey, Mexico, Central America, Africa… no mass transit. So… we’re in good company

          1. BinRaleigh Avatar
            BinRaleigh

            So your assertion is there is no mass transit in the US? You must never have been to NYC, Washington DC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Atlanta, Orlando, San Francisco, Seattle, Denver. And I do believe you can get between any two cities via airplane.

            But if you want to go to Milford NH, Northfield Vt. Wanatchee Wa, Waxahachee Tx or Hickory NC and put in mass transit systems that no one will use because they would have to drive to get to the transit station to pay a parking fee and a rail fee, then a cab at the other end… Feel free.

            Mass transit works for urban areas not suburban/rural.

      2. Mike_in_AL Avatar
        Mike_in_AL

        Read some history. Public transportation was very much in use in the larger cities in the U.S. in the previous two centuries. Did you know that in the early part of the 20th century you could go from the beaches near L.A. all the way to Riverside (over 60 miles) on public transit (trolleys, streetcars and interurbans)? By the middle of the last century nearly all of the larger systems were bankrupt, demolished or had fallen into disuse. The problem is that for public transportation to really work you have to take away the alternatives, which is not really a problem for folks who don’t like freedom anyway.

  659. Ed Donnelly Avatar
    Ed Donnelly

    The one word not used anywhere in this article is “freedom.” This is the single greatest attribute of owning a vehicle. Freedom is worth what I currently pay. Most car owners feel the same way, which is liberals continuously seek greater power over our lives.

    I can envision ultra-dense population centers mandating these autonomous vehicles. Imagine all the big-government regulations that will follow:

    -Mandates on operating hours.
    -Preference will be given to “VIPs” and those willing to pay extra. Thanks to liberals, the middle class is vanishing in this country. Soon it will be the rich and the poor. The rich will always have advantages. One would be a fool to believe this new system will be fair and equitable.
    -To cut down on demand, riders will have to provide a justification for needing the ride. You might be able to catch a ride to a friend’s house or to a movie, but you’ll have to wait for people riding for “more important” reasons.

    Big government liberals already pass laws and write regulations to make car ownership expensive. The predictions of this article will become realized only if liberals make car ownership cost prohibitive…in other words, only by taking away our freedom.

  660. latinos_for_trump Avatar
    latinos_for_trump

    This news are sooooooooo FAKE.. IN 10 YEARS I WILL BE DRIVING MY NEW BENZ

  661. BinRaleigh Avatar
    BinRaleigh

    For city dwellers this is already true, they use taxis and public transportation. For the rest of the country this analysis does not hold water. This does not deal with the realities of suburban and rural life.

    Simply put if you need to run to the grocery store it will become a planned event that takes many times longer than it needs to.

    Will the US, actually pick any country, move toward electric cars, yes for relatively short trips. Will they completely give up their cars? Some will, maybe even the majority, but a significant percentage simply cannot.

  662. theAdorableDeplorable Avatar
    theAdorableDeplorable

    He’s right.

    I’ll be driving a truck.

    For your average city dweller/suburban commuter that all works fine. Until it doesn’t. What if I want to stop at Wal-Mart, then run to the movies, then hit a fast food joint or restaurant afterwards. There’s just going to be a vehicle magically waiting for me? More likely I’ll be standing in a queue on a street corner waiting for some grafittied, urine smelling bucket of autonomous bolts to ramble to the Car Stop, pick me up, break down 1/4 mile later leaving me locked in side, looking for a can opener.

    But, again, I’ll still be living in a rural area, driving my truck. The author of this article and all his mal-aligned millenial friends can keep their autonomous drone-mobiles.

    I’ll pass.

    1. David Michael Avatar
      David Michael

      Under this Agenda 2030 plan people in the country will be moved to human settlements as part of the “rural cleansing”. You cannot access all the government/corporate services in the country — and they cannot watch you out there

  663. robertv Avatar
    robertv

    Tabloid B.S.

  664. gabbro Avatar
    gabbro

    They need to RethinkX their whole projection. It may work if you live in a city, like NYC, and never need a car now because of buses, taxis, and the subway, but for people like me, who live in the middle of nowhere, a personal vehicle is a necessity. Plus, what will happen to just going for a ride? What if you need to take a quick run for a gallon of milk or some other last minute item? Spontaneous travel would be severely curtailed, and life would not be worth living.

    Besides, I ride a motorcycle and there’s no way their little electro whatevers are going to replace that.

  665. DaveInKS Avatar
    DaveInKS

    All these people talking about “freedom” in their ICE vehicles are wrong.

    The government controls these in multiple ways. The fuel supply can be cut off (think WWII rationing), the registration can be revoked, the taxation can be made murderous on ICE vehicles etc. Economics will trump perceived “freedom” every time (think smartphones).

    If you think you are free because of your ICE vehicle you are, IMHO, sadly mistaken.

  666. NowACurmudgeon Avatar
    NowACurmudgeon

    I believe Popular Science magazine predicted this type of stuff in the 60’s. Still waiting.

  667. David Michael Avatar
    David Michael

    This is straight out of UN Agenda 2030 “sustainable” development (Smart Cities) which is to control every aspect of our lives–globally–incl how we think. Under this plan, car ownership (and property) will be regulated out of existence. You will be transported to a low-paying factory job or indoctrination center (skrewl)in an old government owned bus. You will be living in a human settlement–public housing. Oh, it will not be free–it will be paid for by corporate sponsorship (from higher prices on products) and taxes on individuals. This is a communist plan folks. Better go to your city councils and ban all these projects. How stupid can people get?

    1. David Michael Avatar
      David Michael

      Pretty damned stupid

    2. BinRaleigh Avatar
      BinRaleigh

      Sorry no factory jobs allowed in the US, those must be “globalized” to ensure US workers remain dependent upon the state

  668. travlr009 Avatar
    travlr009

    Nonsense

    Bunch of Progs sitting around indulging in self pleasuring fantasies

  669. JHX Avatar
    JHX

    Remember phone booths? Remember how you didn’t want to touch the sides of one because they were gross? I wonder what a crowd share EV will be like?

    1. theAdorableDeplorable Avatar
      theAdorableDeplorable

      The smell alone will be vomit inducing.

  670. disqus_at95K9bcZs Avatar
    disqus_at95K9bcZs

    What??? No cars???? Written be a mushy headed liberal who has never ventured outside the big city into the dangerous countryside. Sheesh!! Sure not my vision of the future America.

  671. JHX Avatar
    JHX

    Once all the cars are gone, it is a simple matter to force everyone into automated mass transit.

    Who wants to be trapped on a bus these days?

  672. Paul Allen Avatar
    Paul Allen

    Let’s see; in 2030 I’ll be 103 yrs old and may have trouble getting out of my Z4. But I won’t give it up without a fight.

  673. Caligula Avatar
    Caligula

    I’ve been in the automotive business for almost 30 years and one thing is for sure. The prognosticators will be proven wrong – because they’ve always been wrong. I can remember the ridiculous assumptions that were made about 25 years ago, and none included GM going bankrupt in the 2000’s. However, they did assume that most cars would be made out of plastic (SMC) or aluminum. While some vehicles do have plastic elements and Ford’s new truck line is an aluminum alloy, most passenger vehicles are still made mostly out of steel. These folks are making assumptions based on a static model, but that model will change ever year because some technologies haven’t even been created yet, and unknown world events affect these assumptions.

    1. JHX Avatar
      JHX

      My corvette is made from SMC.. But, I agree they have been wrong more than not.

      However, Generation M is so divorced from anything we have seen before, they might actually make this scheme viable.

  674. naro wampanoag Avatar
    naro wampanoag

    By 2030 we would rarely leave our house. Work will be virtual from home. Travel will be virtual-and the world will become so homogenized that one place will look and feel pretty much like another. Shopping will be on line. There will be little reason to leave home except for a stroll.

  675. llewellynh Avatar
    llewellynh

    Sure have a whole lot of roads, tunnels and bridges to fix before this can even be thought of. Driving where I live has become a game of dodging potholes!

  676. Russell Hicks Avatar
    Russell Hicks

    Jokes are supposed to be funny. This is beyond moronic.

  677. Lib Serum Avatar
    Lib Serum

    Those dependent on centrally controlled transportation are much easier to control. The people who put together these stats and predictions don’t see themselves in the picture. Who will wait 5 minutes for a ‘transport unit’ for a 2 minute drive to the store?
    This idea will have to be bred into the new sheeple.

  678. Gina Armstrong Avatar
    Gina Armstrong

    Notice everything is geared toward CIDIOTS and KENNEL DWELLERS/

  679. Deplorable White Bread Avatar
    Deplorable White Bread

    I call BS on this…maybe by 2130, but definitely not 2030.

  680. Jim Schulz Avatar
    Jim Schulz

    LOL!! And in 2015 the Earth will burn up due to global warming. These leftist nutjobs should be in the business of stand up comedy instead of trying to predict the future with their cracked crystal balls.

  681. mg Avatar
    mg

    Just make sure the fleets are owned by enough people that they are competitive and there is no price fixing, like our airlines and the NYC taxis.

  682. Dave R Avatar
    Dave R

    Futurists have a long history… of being almost always wrong.

  683. Joe_E_in_the_IE Avatar
    Joe_E_in_the_IE

    I love the innocent naive optimism of these articles from the 1940s and 1950s.

    Oh, really? You’re joking, right?

  684. pearl87 ✓ᴰᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ Avatar
    pearl87 ✓ᴰᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    This is the wet dream of the lefty globalists, whose desire to enslave others is an obsession. Preventing the free movement of the masses is essential to their scheme.

    1. CopyKatnj Avatar
      CopyKatnj

      Exactly!

  685. Guest Avatar
    Guest

    This is utter bullshit. I bought a car the day I got my drivers license.

  686. SoCal Avatar
    SoCal

    What a joke news rags are.
    He predicted the rise in solar and the decrease in fossil fuels?
    How did that work out?
    Pure BS.
    Sure hope no one wasted money paying for this factual silliness.

  687. TrumpConfidimus Avatar
    TrumpConfidimus

    I remember when they told us we would be flying around in vehicles seen on The Jetsons.

  688. 1rockhall2 Avatar
    1rockhall2

    I live in a rural area to go anywhere you need a car. I guess they want us to get a buckboard and a pair of horses. Stupid!

  689. biffula Avatar
    biffula

    Maybe some day down the line, but not in 13 years.

  690. HenryC Avatar
    HenryC

    Yeah, right, the car has been dying for 50 years as it is to be replaced by public transport. Only thing is the number on the road keeps climbing, year after year.

  691. Roy Tyrell Avatar
    Roy Tyrell

    Before I tagged as some leftie – I own a full size pickup (2015 Titan Pro 4x with every obnoxious goodie, bought new from a dealer desperate to get off lot).

    I wil own and drive my gas guzzling (relatively) low tech behemoth till the day I die.

    To those of you in squirrel boxes driven by computers. I look forward to my game of PACMAN

    1. naro wampanoag Avatar
      naro wampanoag

      Enjoy giving your money to an Arrrab

      1. Roy Tyrell Avatar
        Roy Tyrell

        The reserves in west texas shale will last 100 years.

        We will create the worlds largest sinkhole pumping it all out – but it is there

        1. naro wampanoag Avatar
          naro wampanoag

          dont matter, the more oil we use the richer the Arrabs, Iranians and Russian become.

  692. Jake Amberson Avatar
    Jake Amberson

    NOT a chance! More liberal BS. Just like all Liberal nonsense.

  693. 92nRed Rappini Avatar
    92nRed Rappini

    I’m still going to hang on to my Corvettes. But it is strange how the young folks today could care less about cars. I had a car before I had my license, of course that was sometime ago 1954 yeah I’m still here.

    1. Bill Jefferson Avatar
      Bill Jefferson

      Not all that strange; have you noticed all the fairyboys in their skinny jeans mincing around? This is what democRats excrete, but the real guys will just knock them aside.

  694. Marathon-Youth Avatar
    Marathon-Youth

    This article about autonomous cars appears on the day of “wannacry” Ransomware attacks across the globe.

    Maybe this article was done a day before Friday but since then I fear of a similar attack that would cripple millions of autonomous cars all over the place with hapless passengers trapped inside.

  695. CopyKatnj Avatar
    CopyKatnj

    The Socialists dream of the future, communal transportation along with housing (warehousing) and one party government, theirs.

    This is a false front that leads to a dead end of individuality. Don’t be fooled, this is just more “Global Warming” hysteria masked as futuristic progressive manipulation of you.

    “The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.” –American writer H. L. Mencken (1880-1956)

    1. Marathon-Youth Avatar
      Marathon-Youth

      Also those who control our lives from a distance can switch of the power to our cars, credit cards, electronic transfers etc. if we do not comply to everything they want.

  696. Kimbell Avatar
    Kimbell

    And every one will be wearing Grey Coveralls with our Name and Number on the Back or better yet read the Book “1984” Sounds wonderful and ……Looney!!!!!! and will happen if the “Liberals” have their way!!!!!!

  697. Bill Jefferson Avatar
    Bill Jefferson

    Yeah, I remember in the late 70s, when forecasters were certain, CERTAIN, that because of Big Stupid Government regulations, there would be no convertibles ever made again. Not ever.

    And they were CERTAIN.

    democRats want you on ‘public transportation’, so that you can go where, and when, Big Stupid Government says you can, in the hands of union thugs who could only get government jobs. Is that what you want, America?

    Pssst…. hey, ‘Rats: Nevada just raised its max speed limit to 80. Tell Jimmy Carter.

  698. aPEON Avatar
    aPEON

    Oil and gas will be obsolete by 2030, BECAUSE we ran out of oil in the 1990’s

    Predicted by the same futurist experts!

  699. CounterCultureRadical Avatar
    CounterCultureRadical

    The end of having the freedom to choose the road less taken.

  700. PCnoMore Avatar
    PCnoMore

    Unless the .GOV uses force, via excessive unconstitutional taxation, this is not going to happen. I have to believe that the findings in this report hinge more on progressives (ie. Closet Communists) taking over DC in 2020 than the reality of where we are. Look at the timeline on the ICE vs. TaaS graph, it all begins in 2020.

  701. M S Avatar
    M S

    They are just aching to take away your right to drive a car.

  702. Bill Jefferson Avatar
    Bill Jefferson

    The grant-seekers have switched from Peak Oil to Peak Bullsqueeze.

    1. M S Avatar
      M S

      I think we are reaching peak dumbass.

  703. Voxhalyn Rakkasan Avatar
    Voxhalyn Rakkasan

    Wonder how much the “green” lobby paid to get this rubbish posted? Weren’t polar bears supposed to be extinct by now, gas was supposed to be $15 gallon and the oceans have risen like 2 feet?

    1. Bill Jefferson Avatar
      Bill Jefferson

      Algore the Large is still thumping that tub from the doorway of his private jet.

  704. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    Lemme guess: The writers and publishers of this piece are pushing a tech stock.

  705. Trevor Gruber Avatar
    Trevor Gruber

    Clicking on nonsense begets more nonsense. The future is a lie. lol

  706. Bill Jefferson Avatar
    Bill Jefferson

    Similar clowns also promised us flying cars.
    Let’s see our flying cars before we believe anything else from them.

  707. LibertyToad Avatar
    LibertyToad

    The death of the automobile was “predicted” back in the 70’s. Funny stuff. A story like this seems to rear up every 10 years or so and the prediction never sees reality.

  708. SR Avatar
    SR

    Yeah, good luck with that. You can pry my steering wheel from my cold dead fingers. I enjoy driving and will not be using ANY self driving vehicles.

  709. alanthepragmatist Avatar
    alanthepragmatist

    I remember reading an article about 10 years ago predicting the same thing by 2017.

  710. zangadoo Avatar
    zangadoo

    Perfect idiocy– A conclusion reached entirely by a bunch of social elitists who live only in dense metropolitan areas, and who apparently don’t have families. Of course there will be a gradual shift to electric cars, that is inevitable. But waiting around for a pool vehicle every time you needed to go anywhere is utterly impractical for 95% of Americans. The convenience of having your own vehicle, ready at hand at any time you need it, will REMAIN ALWAYS. That is why cars became popular in the first place– they allow independent freedom of motility!!! Why do people see a stupid article like this and accept it as fact? We really should Saba’s intelligence and challenge him ruthlessly.

  711. Jilly Wickersham Jr. Avatar
    Jilly Wickersham Jr.

    I will never give up the personal autonomy that comes with driving and owning my own car.

    Stupid article!

  712. Flax Seed Avatar
    Flax Seed

    I will be dusting off the Red Barchetta
    https://youtu.be/FAvQSkK8Z8U

  713. Hopwin Avatar
    Hopwin

    Free rides? Of course, remember when ISPs were going to give everyone PCs? Or when cable companies were going to provide broadband for free? Or…

    Idiot futurologists again.

    1. Bill Jefferson Avatar
      Bill Jefferson

      They’re just rent-seekers grubbing around for more taxpayer grant money.

  714. steve b Avatar
    steve b

    IF PEOPLE VOLUNTARILY GIVE UP THEIR CARS, OR DON’T LEARN TO DRIVE, THAT’S THEIR DECISION. IF THE GOVERNMENT TRIES TO FORCE PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS, THEY WILL BE LOOKING FOR LARGE DISTURBANCES THAT WILL MAKE THE LOONY LEFT’S RIOTS AGAINST ANYTHING CONSERVATIVE LOOK LIKE A KINDERGARTEN PARTY.

  715. rhb Avatar
    rhb

    Lol.

  716. jim Avatar
    jim

    An article written by morons that live in New York City and never owned a car. Like my guns they will have to pry my steering wheel from my cold stiff hands.

    1. Bill Jefferson Avatar
      Bill Jefferson

      The Normal-American Community would rather live in our cars than within 500 miles of New York City.

  717. Pablo Hablo Avatar
    Pablo Hablo

    Sure, happy hacking, then. Imagine the possibilities for future ransomware, roadways on lockdown. No thanks.

    1. Bill Jefferson Avatar
      Bill Jefferson

      Good point. Some little boy draws a picture of a gun, the highways get locked down by Big Stupid Government to permit “heroes” to stand around filling out forms and getting their picture taken.

    2. Steve Kellmeyer Avatar
      Steve Kellmeyer

      Car hacking is already here. If you own a 2011 or later car, you can be hacked.

      https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

  718. Anton Fokker Avatar
    Anton Fokker

    The article’s author is a city-slicker without a clue. Show me the electric vehicle that can drive across a rough pasture on a farm, carry hay bales, and pull a trailer full of cattle to auction.

    1. Steve Kellmeyer Avatar
      Steve Kellmeyer

      Author didn’t say it would COMPLETELY replace gas engines. As of 2008, less than 2 percent of the population are involved in any agriculture work at all. So, yeah, keep your gas engine for those jobs, but even if you do, that doesn’t invalidate his prediction.

      1. Jim Mason Avatar
        Jim Mason

        His point stands. This is a city technology, it won’t even work well in the suburbs.

        1. Havin Nunavit Avatar
          Havin Nunavit

          Hell, it won’t work well anywhere.

  719. BigInMemphis Avatar
    BigInMemphis

    What a joke. Yes, I will take odds on that prediction.

  720. Abbot Avatar
    Abbot

    Only the loony left will believe this. India and China will never let this happen

  721. brian_in_arizona Avatar
    brian_in_arizona

    The “research” conflates EVs with autonomous cars with shared cars. EVs may be the way of the future, and autonomous driving will develop, but there is no compelling case that all cars in the future will be owned by some third party.

    If future EVs will be cheaper both in first cost and cost-in-use than ICEs, as the author predicts, then individual car ownership will be even easier financially. Like it or not, autos are an expression of personality and self-image for many buyers, feelings that do not change based on the propulsion system. The success of Tesla selling luxury EVs to affluent households does not suggest that styling and prestige will become irrelevant to the auto industry.

  722. Larry Avatar
    Larry

    This has all been said before in different instances and angles. Wonder how many crooked companies will be given tons of taxpayer money to make all of this happen like the phony baloney companies oslobbo gave a bunch of our tax money away to, only so they could fold and make off with the loot.

  723. bitmap Avatar
    bitmap

    Thanks but no thanks! Another great reason why we have an Electoral College. These people have no concept of what liberty is. What a bunch of progressive pack animals. Internal combustion engines – except no substitute!

  724. MadMonk67 Avatar
    MadMonk67

    That is a total fantasy.

  725. Charlene Schumer Avatar
    Charlene Schumer

    For anything to succeed being “economically driven” it must carry an improved economic, societal benefit.
    If it’s viable through capitalism, we may get there.
    It will never happen otherwise.

    1. Pablo Hablo Avatar
      Pablo Hablo

      The power behind this push will come from govt, where statists can envision the realization of a long-held dream, to charge citizens a toll for every single inch they travel.

  726. Gringo Bandit Avatar
    Gringo Bandit

    Be like James Bond, have rocket launchers, oil slicks and machine guns to take them out.

  727. Sagesteve Avatar
    Sagesteve

    They have forgotten ONE BIG thing in all of this and I know what it is…I’m going to make a killing! Hint…it has to do with people.

  728. max666 Avatar
    max666

    These the same clowns who claimed Trump could never ever ever ever be president?

  729. ddavis539 Avatar
    ddavis539

    How is this Utopian plan supposed to help those of us who like to get out and take the occasional road trip to visit friends and relatives in other states or National Parks?

  730. paulinpittsburgh Avatar
    paulinpittsburgh

    It’s hilarious that people actually think these autonomous cars and ride sharing services are ever going to be more than a niche product. The premise behind their existence is a fallacy, that driving and owning a car is a purely utilitarian concept that people want to stop doing … it’s nonsense.

    The same leftist idiots who have been telling us that the suburbs are doomed and cities are the future because of all the alleged “convenience” are pushing these idea for the same reason, because their myopic view of the world doesn’t allow them consider any other view of the world other than their own as valid.

    Anyone who invests in this stuff is going to lose their shirts.

    1. Richard Dunnagan Avatar
      Richard Dunnagan

      What gets me is that these same leftist idiots who scream for the death of the suburbs are the same ones who have hysteric meltdowns over gentrification. You kind of get the idea that all they want to do is complain.

      1. Pablo Hablo Avatar
        Pablo Hablo

        Authorized victimhood is privileged status. Much competition to obtain it.

    2. Pablo Hablo Avatar
      Pablo Hablo

      It’s now the GOVT which ‘invests’ in these leftist wet dreams. Plenty of rich lefties in the wake of, eg, green energy startup/failures whose entire budget was underwritten by elected statists. As long as voters fall prey to their siren songs of prog utopia, such is a possibility.

  731. Richard Dunnagan Avatar
    Richard Dunnagan

    I love the line ” a major new study”. It then attributes RethinkX which is, as far as I can tell, just a couple of guys that want a “disruption”. I’m guessing these guys may have some bias in their study, if that’s what you want to call it. Whatever it is, it isn’t major.

  732. Raincheck Avatar
    Raincheck

    Another Horse’sAss article claiming to know what humans will do. Where do these people come from? And why won’t they go away?

  733. Jim Mason Avatar
    Jim Mason

    Written by city folk, for city folk.

  734. Dr. D Avatar
    Dr. D

    Not happening because
    1) That’s in 13 years and is an unrealistic deliverable.
    2) I’m going to be in control of my own transportation. Don’t need the government to be involved in controlling another aspect of life.

  735. chuckles Avatar
    chuckles

    First off, I won’t pay 80-$100k for a self driving electric car. Pushing these ideas have just about run their course. Self drivers will be banned in the next 5 years after a few children are crushed. When they find out splashing mud on an “eye” or the “Blue screen of death” on the computer will leave you out of control, this “dream” will look more like a nightmare. Look at the ransom ware in the news today. The government has already killed people with the hacking of cars today. Disabling the brakes and jamming the gas until you hit a tree has already been done. A person is foolish if they believe this won’t be used for evil. Anyone believe Trump will want a self driving limo? Just like they will never have Obamacare, Congressmen will never get in a self driving car.
    Second, Gas will be cheap and plentiful for the next 50 years with fracking. Anybody remember “Peak oil”? Just like global warming is a scientific certainty, Oil was “PROVEN” to be running out 20 years ago by the same scientists. The American culture has been hooked on fast stylish cars for 100 years and I don’t see that changing anytime soon to ride in a self driving egg. Someone spending $80k for a car wants something with turbo’s and will drive it 0 to 60 in 4 seconds. I don’t think you can program a self driver to do that without hacking.

  736. daxypoo Avatar
    daxypoo

    statists hate liberty and, as a result, mobility

  737. jns.esq Avatar
    jns.esq

    Are these the same folks who said we’d all be driving flying cars in the ’60s?

    1. FL_Stingray Avatar
      FL_Stingray

      If not them, their children.

  738. FL_Stingray Avatar
    FL_Stingray

    I bet the car service people would be thrilled to take me to Home Depot to load up on 4 or 5 bags of garden soil and another couple bags of weed and feed.

  739. xutocoga Avatar
    xutocoga

    public cars will be as clean as public toilets. pass.

  740. M Aurelius Avatar
    M Aurelius

    HAHAHAHAHA!
    Clickbait on stilts.
    NO ONE is giving up the freedom of the open road. Not even the craziest enviro nut.

  741. 1reallytaxed1 Avatar
    1reallytaxed1

    You’ll have to pry the keys FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS !!! Coal burning cars are a farce, only hipsters (that have jobs) and rich do-gooders want one or have one! impractical for most and hardly affordable for the rest. The electric car is over 100 years old and yet still they aren’t accepted, within the same time span we have gone from a few nail-biting seconds of flight to the moon and beyond. Govt. needs to stop trying to legislate and regulate progress and let progress regulate govt. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1967c509ad22f9c071cbbdac0e47a4922a9ca1645e3cb7d9da38081a861dbd33.jpg

  742. Inconsequential Avatar
    Inconsequential

    They literally don’t want us to own anything, or have any privacy, they want us to eat bugs (the alleged protein to save the world from climate change), etc. They are making their slavery proclamations far and wide, but most don’t look up from snapchat long enough to notice.

  743. Ingsoc Avatar
    Ingsoc

    “Government will do it for free”. Nothing is free. That’s an asinine statement.

    1. Heartland Patriot Avatar
      Heartland Patriot

      TANSTAAFL!

  744. Tsar of Earth ᴰᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ Avatar
    Tsar of Earth ᴰᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    Except for my Red Barchetta in the barn.

  745. Afrizzle Avatar
    Afrizzle

    the writer is overly discounting American’s love for freedom. We’re not relinquishing up on flexibility or mobility

  746. Havin Nunavit Avatar
    Havin Nunavit

    Please. Unless the government somehow outlaws cars there is NO WAY this happens. As if Americans will bow and scrape that low? No, I think not.

  747. NHPatriot1776 Avatar
    NHPatriot1776

    Americans love their cars, we love high horsepower and we love our trucks too. No one is getting rid of cars by 2030, I doubt by 2130, at least here in the united states. I will drive until the day I die, so at least another 30 years or so. this arti8vle is nothing but click bait and no where accurate. If the government makes people give up their cars they are in for a war and it wont end well for them.

  748. Christopher Gadsden Avatar
    Christopher Gadsden

    You mean I have to retire my flying car that was promised at least 20 years ago?

  749. redeemedconservative Avatar
    redeemedconservative

    Hopefully by then I’ll be driving a cloud anyway.

  750. Pablo Hablo Avatar
    Pablo Hablo

    Aw, crap. How are we gonna have Mad Max, then?

  751. SGT Scientist Avatar
    SGT Scientist

    So, will these autonomous electric cars haul my yard waste to the Waste Management compost yard for me? No? I didn’t think so. I’ll just keep my pickup truck for myself, then.

  752. Osama Bedead Avatar
    Osama Bedead

    These liberal idiots might want to come out and take a look at the vast majority of the country. There isn’t going be any ride service when it is 50 miles to the grocery in the next town. There aren’t any $4.50 lattes out here now and $4.50 doesn’t even pay for the gas to get from the gas station home when you don’t live in any of the government liberal heavens we call those dirty filthy cities.

  753. adam Avatar
    adam

    I have used uber a few times and I am in the outskirts of Birmingham AL. It is convenient and I have thought about just getting rid of my car and using uber everywhere, I think this may be reality one day, but not that soon.

    1. An eye on liberals. Avatar
      An eye on liberals.

      Use uber for another year, tell us if you still think it is convenient.

  754. An eye on liberals. Avatar
    An eye on liberals.

    In 13 years, will these autonomous cars fly ?

  755. WellArmedLamb Avatar
    WellArmedLamb

    Independence demands personal transportation……leftists would love for you to give in and rely on corporate vehicle pools……in the begining the price would be low until the capability to manufacture high volume personal cars is destroyed and then watch the price rise watch the regulations increase ….your ability to move around will be severely limited….just the way big government likes it

    1. Marion Mitchell Morrison Avatar
      Marion Mitchell Morrison

      But it’s for the good of the collective, Comrade.

  756. Truthsayer Avatar
    Truthsayer

    This is an insane amount of lying in one article.

  757. realheadline Avatar
    realheadline

    They would have to confiscate the guns first — mine is here in Austin — come get it.

  758. lexi1 Avatar
    lexi1

    Keep dreaming….not in Texas!

  759. American Avatar
    American

    Someone watched “Logan’s Run” and thought, “Hey…there’s a noble idea.”

    1. M. Bowen Avatar
      M. Bowen

      “Blade Runner” scenario.

      1. American Avatar
        American

        Also, “Demolition Man”.

  760. Kirk's Toupee Avatar
    Kirk’s Toupee

    “Welcome to Johnny Cab!”

  761. AC SLATER Avatar
    AC SLATER

    none if this makes any sense.. who would believe this non sense?

  762. fedupwithmentalcases Avatar
    fedupwithmentalcases

    LOL MORE FAKE NEWS BY THE FAKE MEDIA IF YOU BELIEVE THIS YOU BELIEVE THAT HUSSEIN BARRY OBAMA WASNT AN AMNERICA HATING RACIST MOOSLIME OR THAT HIS “WIFE” MICHAEL MOOCHIE OBAMA IS A WOMAN

    1. Mr Wee Wee Avatar
      Mr Wee Wee

      Mr. fedup yOu dO nOt gO gurl!!! Barack fOrever!!!

  763. old woody Avatar
    old woody

    Maybe in Australia and Europe but not feasible in the US to regulate out 95% of private vehicles.

  764. Adam Selene Avatar
    Adam Selene

    The one thing all these loons have in common is they live in major urban centers where the population density might support this. However, the moment you get into the suburbs or into rural areas, this absolutely no longer applies. Electric vehicles with a 200 mile range might make sense in Boston or NYC, but in South Dakota or Arizona or west Texas, that is a ludicrously-short range.

    Once again, we find the haughty liberal mindset that if you’re not in an urban area, you don’t count. Arrogant bastards.

    1. Kevin Kent Avatar
      Kevin Kent

      Electric cars have a 200 mile range today, Maybe technological advancement will push that number higher? Is that possible?

      1. Heartland Patriot Avatar
        Heartland Patriot

        Batteries are going to have to get a LOT better than they are now, and there is a practical limit to how much charge can be stored.

        1. Kevin Kent Avatar
          Kevin Kent

          I mean, you’re making a pretty concrete statement about future technology. We have no idea what kind of technological advancement some no-named person is working on in a lab right now.

          1. Heartland Patriot Avatar
            Heartland Patriot

            No, I don’t. However, there is a thing called energy density, and without some overnight leap, the amount of charge that can be stored is limited by plate size and area. Half of the vehicle has to be batteries to get any decent range, not good range, just decent.

          2. Kevin Kent Avatar
            Kevin Kent

            Well, Audi announced in 2016 the expected 2018 release of an all-electric SUV with a 310-mile range on a single charge. So, obviously people are working on the challenge.

          3. Heartland Patriot Avatar
            Heartland Patriot

            I guess you must be a rather rich guy to afford an Audi.

          4. Kevin Kent Avatar
            Kevin Kent

            New technology always starts out expensive for the early adopters and over time becomes scaled for mass consumer use. That’s the nature of technological advancement in capitalism.

  765. Christopher Snittle Avatar
    Christopher Snittle

    Yeah, funny those future predictions have never worked out as they have stated. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b02674407beb65806c403ee6f72fda493d616613458510c214bb47694005ae56.jpg

  766. mrhuehls Avatar
    mrhuehls

    Another senseless leftist progressive liberal city boy who lives in the over crowed environs is having his pipe dream. We may be driving electric cars, but they will be privately owned. Taxi’s may be replaced by autonomous electric cars, but that is about it.

  767. Mr Wee Wee Avatar
    Mr Wee Wee

    sO many disrespectul cOmments frOm narrOw minded peOple! Mr. Wee Wee sez, “yOu gO gurl” and keep standing FIRMLY behind Barack!

  768. Biggiewood Avatar
    Biggiewood

    Say, weren’t we suppose to have flying Jetson cars by now?

  769. Heartland Patriot Avatar
    Heartland Patriot

    What a load of pura mierda del toro (hat-tip to America’s southern neighbors). Maybe in 100 years, maybe. Not in a little more than a decade, however, unless there is some sort of a massive plan to FORCE people to stop driving automobiles. I can understand if more cars and trucks become hybrids for fuel economy, sure. And maybe in crowded Europe they can convince people to do that sort of thing. But in the USA, and Canada, and of course, the home of the story, Australia? No way, the places are just too big and electric cars just don’t have the range, and that is enough, even if you count out all the personal reasons.

  770. Kevin Kent Avatar
    Kevin Kent

    I agree with the author that this revolution will take place, but it will only take place rapidly in the overcrowded cities with nightmarish traffic and difficult parking situations, such as NYC, D.C., Atlanta, and Los Angeles. I think this change will be much slower in much of the rest of the country that is not dealing with horrific daily congestion and parking issues.

  771. Deplorable & Delighted Barley Avatar

    Every liberals wet dream and powered by unicorn farts by 2050.

    1. Kevin Kent Avatar
      Kevin Kent

      What does this have to do with “liberals”? I’m a conservative Republican who would love to have private industry revolutionize and improve quality of life.

      1. Heartland Patriot Avatar
        Heartland Patriot

        Yeah, sure, a conservative Republican. Oh, you mean one of the “establishment” types, perhaps? My stand-alone, personally-operated gasoline-powered vehicle allows me to go where I want to go without permission…a centrally operated fleet of electric vehicles is a control-freak’s wet dream.

        1. Kevin Kent Avatar
          Kevin Kent

          Cool, you can have your car in the suburbs and in the jam-packed city I live in I’ll use an electric autonomous car fleet. Not sure what your issue is with that. Seems like a pretty reasonable position.

          1. Heartland Patriot Avatar
            Heartland Patriot

            And now I’m more convinced you aren’t a conservative Republican. Why would a conservative Republican live in a crowded big city?

          2. Kevin Kent Avatar
            Kevin Kent

            Because I was born and raised here…Are you serious? Even San Francisco has a conservative community. You can’t seriously be this close-minded.

  772. SebastianX19 Avatar

    This reminds me of a presentation we put together while high on pot as a joke when working at McKinsey Consulting after college in the 1990s. These papers are funded to attempt to steer society in the direction the sponsor wants. Funny how people fall for anything that appears semi-official, with charts and quotes.

  773. Virginian Avatar
    Virginian

    This is not going to happen. Americans have not been completely castrated.

  774. DILKe Avatar
    DILKe

    Two word: Bull $hit. Typical Leftist want to control you. This is AGENDA 21!!!!

  775. Crazy Canadian Avatar
    Crazy Canadian

    My bullshit detector is off the charts!

  776. Vigus Fatbelly Avatar
    Vigus Fatbelly

    Once again, the “best and brightest” completely forget the fact that there are HUGE swaths of America that are not in or around any major cities. Sparsely populated rural towns and counties still make up a majority of the country, with population density being the largest in coastal states and cities. So why this may be true in a big city, for the rest of the 65% of the nation, this holds no water. It’s just not feasible. With current all electric cars, the top range is with the Tesla at like 400 miles. So if you, as a person, live in a rural community, you may travel up to 60 miles one way to take a trip to the grocery store (as an example) so that’s 240 miles for that electric car to go to come out, pick you up, take you to the store, take you home, and go back to it’s garage. That car is now pretty much used up and needs to be charged, which takes about 3 hours or so to get that electricity back. that’s 1 car, 1 trip. Who has the money to purchase thousands of those cars, for the people living in rural areas? Let’s not even think about cities like Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Portland, Denver, etc.. that all have big, sprawling suburbs that have little to no public transportation. Denver has something like 3 million people spread across 10 counties. If only 1/2 of those people used a service like this, and each car held 4 people per car, that’s still 375,000 electric cars that have to be in service. There are only 942 taxis in service (licensed) in Denver today. Uber & Lyft make up another 5000 vehicles. So that’s a total of 5942 vehicles, or about 369,058 short of the needed amount to tote 1/2 the population of denver around.

    Stupid.

    1. Kevin Kent Avatar
      Kevin Kent

      Uh, reality check. 4/5 of the United States lives in an urban area.

      1. 1crazymf Avatar
        1crazymf

        Where do you think your food comes from?

        1. Kevin Kent Avatar
          Kevin Kent

          My food comes from large industrial farmers.

        2. Maneki Neko Avatar
          Maneki Neko

          People like it do not think. They are parrots mindlessly spewing whatever propaganda their globalist totalitarian masters tell them.

      2. shp Avatar
        shp

        ROFL at you.

        “To qualify as an urban area, the territory identified according to
        criteria must encompass at least 2,500 people, at least 1,500 of which
        reside outside institutional group quarters.”

        Per the US Census.

        Yeah, stick with that 4/5 of the United States lives in an area that has at least 2,500 people.

        Wow, what a surprise, huh?

        That’s just about all of RURAL AMERICA.

      3. Maneki Neko Avatar
        Maneki Neko

        HAHAHAHA!

        Scum like you live in “urban areas” and you better stay there. You are an easy target outside of them. Imagine 800 yards, hun. Why? Because I, and most of the people I know, can blow what passes for your brain out at that distance.

  777. ActivistAngel Avatar
    ActivistAngel

    Holy cow, you are all clueless.
    They are withholding anti gravity technology people. Wake up!
    You can NOT give a 16 year old a flying car. They can only be available if they are computer driven, with a safety “shut down and land” switch.
    Imagine how wildlife will thrive when the roads can be dismantled.

    1. DILKe Avatar
      DILKe

      Yay!!! AGENDA 21….

      1. ActivistAngel Avatar
        ActivistAngel

        I honestly don’t know what you mean… how else can we have anti grav cars? In the hands of drunk teenagers?

    2. Maneki Neko Avatar
      Maneki Neko

      The wildlife thrives just fine. City dwelling agenda spewing fools like you wouldn’t know that because you live in a gated community of the mind in some stinking, crime and drug infested city. If you really believe in all the crap you do you should immediately recycle everything you own made out of petroleum, starting with your electronics. Then get rid of everything not made from materials that were not grown/created within 12 miles of your dwelling (the average distance a horse drawn wagon can travel in a day). That means no coffee for you, amongst other things.

      You are not allowed to use any transportation outside of horse or foot. You are not allowed access to modern medicine, either. That nasty Gaia killing petroleum, you know.

      1. ActivistAngel Avatar
        ActivistAngel

        I would love to! But I’d need a whole lot more money than I have to create that lifestyle in this world! Technology is coming, we can either become Amish or join our galactic family and explore the stars. Peace and Long Life.

      2. ActivistAngel Avatar
        ActivistAngel

        And no the “wildlife” doesn’t “thrive just fine,” the suppression of Zero Point Energy and Anti gravity is killing them. You know ZPE can clean up radiation, right? Fusion of protons and all that?

  778. Home Grown Avatar
    Home Grown

    One finds it hard to imagine a service fleet with enough vehicles to accommodate
    the population as it is, let alone increased population of the future.
    Personally I would not wager on this happening.

  779. sdsu73 Avatar
    sdsu73

    Yeah, the ultimate socialist-globalists dream… absolute control of where, when and how you go.

  780. Alan Cater Avatar
    Alan Cater

    Obviously this clown has never been outside of either NY or LA.

  781. Big Dog Avatar
    Big Dog

    They’ll know where everyone goes on a computer data record. And I’m not getting into any “pod” that they have the nearest to me that some baby threw up in, or a gangbanger peed on the seats for his antisocial joke.
    Not gonna happen except maybe replacing taxi commercial passenger service “fleets” that use recycled smelly gas vehicles anyways.. But never “95%”. That is truly a nut case author. If you’re Australian you might believe this. You’re being groomed and trimmed to live in the new world order. Whatever happened to your outlaw, pioneer spirit? Bankruptcy, austerity did it?

  782. claudiusxiii Avatar
    claudiusxiii

    I’m still waiting for those flying cars everyone would have by now.

  783. Alien Chronicles Avatar
    Alien Chronicles

    Disruption of this magnitude (10x) works. It’ll be here before we know it. Unnoticed.

  784. Jljlmjlmn_Prprsprst Avatar
    Jljlmjlmn_Prprsprst

    “Anti-racists” say there’s a RACE problem. They say it’ll be solved when
    non-Whites pour into ALL & ONLY White nations and “assimilate” to
    get a brown mixture.

    They say only White nations have this RACE problem; they say non-White nations are fine.

    If I object to my own genocide these “anti-racists” say I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    They say they’re anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.

    Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

  785. garylee123 Avatar
    garylee123

    Yeah……get a truck to automatically tow and park my 27 foot trailer at Crystal Park in Montana. and doesn’t cost $175000

  786. B-Sabre Avatar
    B-Sabre

    So…let me ask a question: how will an evacuation (like for the next Katrina) be accomplished without private ownership of vehicles? Part of the cost savings for this sort of “shared transportation” model is that not everybody needs a car all the time – you need 1 4-passenger car for 10 people, say. Now I have an impending hurricane or other event, and 6 out of the 10 people that need to leave don’t have seats. Does the city provide a bus fleet for those remaining people – which almost certainly negate the cost savings of the sharing model. Do they shelter in place (remember the Superdome)? Walk? Are they out of luck?

  787. JeninFortWorth Avatar
    JeninFortWorth

    “Or getting a free ride because the local government has decided to make transport easier.” There is NO FREE ANYTHING! All of these things will be paid for by taxpayer dollars, just like every other “free” program offered by local govt theft.

    I’m keeping my car, thank you!

  788. pam johnson Avatar
    pam johnson

    A socialist’s dream in Giles Parkinson. Next will be no need for independent thought as your opinion will be piped into you while you sleep. Just hitch a ride in one of your kangaroos’ pockets down there, Giles baby.

  789. John C Avatar
    John C

    Gee boobs like you people also predicted we would be all flying around in our own vehicles by now. What a bunch of drivel and nonsense.

  790. 1crazymf Avatar
    1crazymf

    Only if you can successfully herd the entire population into cities by that date. Living out in the country having a car and trucks and ATV’S are required not optional

  791. emersonushc13 Avatar
    emersonushc13

    Will the People’s Committee assign car rights to those with the highest “Party Purity Points”?

  792. Bob Bradley Avatar
    Bob Bradley

    I see this as the flying cars of the 1960s. With all the viruses going around and with industry over doing IP protection, self-driving cars will automated coffins. This is just another hippie dream that the kids of today will laugh about in 2050.

  793. RedRyderz Avatar
    RedRyderz

    Weren’t flying cars supposed to be standard transportation for all by the year 2,000?

  794. Be Better Avatar
    Be Better

    Damn, did the link send me to a site run by the communist?

    Is this a “real” story or a summary of a Joseph Stalin wet dream?

    Will I be able to smoke a cigarette in the government owned and operated coal-powered “electric” vehicle?

  795. moosemiester Avatar
    moosemiester

    When I was a kid we were told we’d have flying cars by 1990 I’m still waiting.

  796. Darren Douglas Avatar
    Darren Douglas

    Believe it. It’s Agenda 21 in action.

  797. David Michael Avatar
    David Michael

    Remember when Al Gore prophesied that internal combustion engines will be phased out by 2020? Those of the green faith need to realize that green is the new red; that communism is not the path to their Utopia fantasy.

  798. Kevin Pyle Avatar
    Kevin Pyle

    Not a chance.

  799. joenine Avatar
    joenine

    I came to this web page by DrudgeReport. Not only is this article chimerical. I clicked on several other of the musings this web page has to offer and found similar fantasy.

    I would like to predict that 13 years from now electric cars will be considered humorous expensive nonsense of the past.

  800. Chuck Roost Avatar
    Chuck Roost

    The true story is that the globalists (google “Agenda21”) want everyone in the world to live in large cities, live and work in the same building, have only a bicycle, and pay through the nose for it.

    They want everyone out of cars. They want total control of your life. That’s why Ob*macare was created. The real story is that government will TAX THE HELL out of your auto so you will not be able to afford the insurance premiums. You will be forced out of your car.

  801. KingOfAllAnimals Avatar
    KingOfAllAnimals

    Whoever wrote this is smoking Crack!

    It is the same thing as saying we will become a Cashless society. REALLY? So how do we do our commerce when we loose power and the internet? Just humbly stay calm and chive on while everything grinds to a sudden and catastrophic halt with every power outage? And then comes the issue of security. So we really can trust a faceless entity with our life savings when time and time again there is no protection from fraud, loosing your life savings to a “glitch” let alone hold ANYONE accountable for the loss of YOUR hard earned income.

    Cars are not going away ANY TIME SOON! Personal vehicle ownership will remain long into the future.

    I am sick and tired of these opinion pieces being treated as NEWS!

  802. EnabledVet Avatar
    EnabledVet

    Don’t even have to read it to know it’s green propaganda……

  803. trustlad Avatar
    trustlad

    Yeah….but NO. Never gonna happen.

  804. michguy311 Avatar
    michguy311

    Anyone who thinks that 95% of the passenger miles will be in autonomous vehicles doesn’t understand Americans very well. We love cars, we love freedom, and we love the freedom of getting in our car and driving places. People are not going to give that up no matter how hard the tech industry pushes this autonomous car business. Yes, there is room in the market for this service. But most of us are going to want to remain our own masters, not subject ourselves to a limitation on our mobility due to service outages or some stupid law or regulation deciding who can travel where and when.

  805. ONE HAPPY GUY Avatar
    ONE HAPPY GUY

    My legs work fine and if I have to walk to where I have to go so be it. Longer trips I will take the UFO parked in my Garage.

  806. lalasayswhat Avatar
    lalasayswhat

    Liberal claptrap.

  807. The New York Republican Avatar
    The New York Republican

    You kidding, I love my dodge challenger. We are always going to have cars, in 13 years I’ll be around 40 or so, not some old retired guy. Wtf would we get rid of cars.

  808. DeathMerchant Avatar
    DeathMerchant

    How do you say bull$hit in Australian ???

  809. SoNic67 Avatar
    SoNic67

    There are two separate myths in this article. One is about the free electrical energy that will fill all those car batteries every 2-3 hours. Solar? Joking maybe… The amount of required energy is unbelievable high.
    Also the lithium deposits are very limited. Not enough for a global scale 10x disruptive event.
    Another one is abouy the self driving cars that all people will love to take. We have cabs today, why are some people still driving their own cars? Answer that first…

    1. Kevin Kent Avatar
      Kevin Kent

      Because taxi services are incredibly expensive because the taxi industry is highly regulated, has drivers, and uses the internal combustion engine, which is incredibly expensive to maintain. That’s why people don’t all use taxi services today–it’s too expensive to routinely use.

  810. Christine Guinn Avatar
    Christine Guinn

    LOL! That may work in densely populated urban areas, (and frankly, most New Yorkers already don’t own cars), but it’s NOT going to fly in the rest of the country!

    1. Jason Avatar
      Jason

      You are exactly right. It may work in metro areas but this article is from Australia.

      They have large rural areas. Not so sure it will be a success there. This is just wishful thinking by the writer I suspect.

  811. Kevin Feck Avatar
    Kevin Feck

    Really, really stupid article.

  812. Kevin Kent Avatar
    Kevin Kent

    I love how the Luddites in this comment thread think that Americans will, en masse, reject an affordable, on-demand limousine service that frees up hundreds of square feet in their home (where the garage once was) for living or storage space, reduces commuting times, reduces stress, and saves lives.

    1. michguy311 Avatar
      michguy311

      Kevin, you should read Jeff’s post above. You are the “sheeple” he is referring to.

      1. Kevin Kent Avatar
        Kevin Kent

        No, I just understand that the demands of the market will be met by autonomous, electric fleets. Has nothing to do with anything else other than rational thought.

        1. madmatt5 Avatar
          madmatt5

          Couldn’t agree more. The economics alone make this one of the most clear cut slam dunks in human history. And that’s without considering the the lives that will be saved (we lose a 9/11 worth of Americans to road fatalities every month), reduced pollution (vehicle emissions kill a 9/11 worth of Americans every 2.5 weeks), reclaiming city spaces for use by humans (us pesky meatbags and our desire for quiet, greenery, and socialization), equal mobility for the disabled and elderly, reduced infrastructure costs, etc, etc, etc, etc. Caveat – I remain VERY concerned about about government interference with future A-EV systems (turning off ALL transport to the area of a protest, for example) and hacking by criminals and terrorists.

          The other thing about this thread is the ANGER – Everyone is so filled with rage over the possibility of change! I feel really sorry for folks who choose to waste their one life being constantly angry; It must be miserable.

          1. Kevin Kent Avatar
            Kevin Kent

            Yeah, the level of rage is bizarre. In fairness, I think a lot of them assume the government will criminalize the use of a “manual” car, which I can understand would cause great angst. More than likely it’ll be phased in over decades as certain roads or lanes are made autonomous-only. But I guess I get the anger about being forced by the law to stop driving.

    2. JabberJoe Avatar
      JabberJoe

      I love how the Liberal Loons in this comment thread think that Americans will, en masse, accept being dependent on a “service” tied to another product for transportation, on-demand grossly filthy transportation that may or may not show up, increasing commuting times, increasing stress due to lack of control, and removing the ability to travel freely.

      1. Kevin Kent Avatar
        Kevin Kent

        First of all, this has nothing to do with politics–why “liberal” keeps getting brought up makes absolutely no sense. Second of all, so much wrong with your statements. 1) Uber, Lyft, and other ride-sharing programs show up reliably; why would an autonomous fleet not reliably show up? And if it didn’t reliably show up, the business would collapse. 2) Literally no study shows autonomous cars would increase commuting times; that literally makes no sense at all. 3) You will actually have more freedom of movement, especially the 7 million handicapped who can’t physically drive, and people in urban areas who are captive to public transport.

        1. JabberJoe Avatar
          JabberJoe

          Liberal because it is part of the liberal agenda to make people as dependent as possible, by removing the ownership of transportation people become dependent upon either government or business for transportation.

          1. They would not show up because if the cars are autonomous then there would be “choices” made by the algorithm on who is a priority pick up.
          2. Autonomous cars would increase commuting time because of the wait for it to arrive and because they are programmed for safety, the human drivers would run circles around them delaying them.
          3.The people you mention would have more freedom of movement but the rest (the vast majority) would have less freedom of movement because they would have to plan ahead for the transportation to be booked and arrive and the further away from the dispatch the longer the wait. The disabled are an insignificant percentage of the population and city dwellers would have the just as many issues with autonomous cars as they do with public transportation.

          1. Kevin Kent Avatar
            Kevin Kent

            Paranoid absurdities. This has NOTHING to do with dependency! Driving is a worthless, non-value-adding skill that for 250,000 years mankind did not use until the early 20th century. Why do the rich use limousine services? Why does everyone in India who can afford it have a personal driver? Because it’s a BETTER experience than driving in most driving situations. Unless you’re on a mountainous back road, driving is monotonous or stressful.

            1. That is no different than Uber/Lyft or any other ride-sharing service. I have reliably been picked up every time in the amount of time it would take me to walk to my parking space and pull it out (I’m in an urban area). Again, if you weren’t reliably picked up, you wouldn’t use the service and the service would collapse.
            2. No, hardly any study has shown that autonomous cars would increase drives times. Full adoption of autonomous cars would nearly double road capacity, eliminate 90% of traffic accidents, and allow cars to “platoon” at more than 100 MPH down highways.
            3. I agree that an autonomous fleet would not work well in rural areas; I disagree passionately, based on experience, that ride-sharing would limit one’s access to transport in urban or suburban areas. This is just false. Again, as a ride-sharing user and a former user of public transportation, I could not possibly disagree with you more–the difference between Uber and the subway or bus is night-and-day. Ride-sharing is reliable and convenient, although it’s not particularly affordable yet.

    3. shp Avatar
      shp

      You aren’t even bright enough to figure out cars don”t take up hundreds of square feet.

      How about more like 50-60 square feet if your car is 5-6 feet wide and ten feet long.

      So sad.

      1. Kevin Kent Avatar
        Kevin Kent

        Wow. First of all, a quick google search reveals that an average parking SPACE takes up 162 sf. A typical 2-car garage is 22×22 = 484 sf.

        1. shp Avatar
          shp

          ROFLMAO

          So now we going from square footage in a garage to a parking space at the mall?

          As if every square foot in that two car garage is for the car?

          Keep diggin, it’s quite apparent your butt has never owned neither a car or a home with a garage.,

          1. Kevin Kent Avatar
            Kevin Kent

            Fine, you want to play semantics? 60 square feet of additional living space freed up in a newly built house is added value in my neighborhood at $300 PSF. So that’s $18,000 in value at a mere 60 SF of saved space. But more than likely, in a society with no cars a new home doesn’t come with a garage at all, saving as much as 400-500 sf.

          2. shp Avatar
            shp

            Poor baby, I see you’re triggered.

            Brand new 2017 Camry, takes up a whopping 95 square feet.

            2017 Versa, takes up 80 square feet.

            Both have a great resale value, you pissing money away doesn’t get you a dime back.

            Keep digging.

          3. Kevin Kent Avatar
            Kevin Kent

            Ah, so now we’re up to 80 and 95 sf. What about when you open the door of your car? Do you not need the space for your door or for walking in/out of the car? See, that’s why a parking SPACE takes up 162 sf; it’s not just the car’s footprint. Regardless, 95 sf at $300 PSF in my neighborhood is worth almost $29,000 in real estate value.

    4. Jason Avatar
      Jason

      What do you mean when you say “affordable”, can you put a firm price on that? Also when you say “on-demand limousine service”, what do you mean? I have been in both taxis and limos. Big difference.

      1. Kevin Kent Avatar
        Kevin Kent

        “Affordable” as in less than $5 per ride. “Limo-service” as in a large, comfortable cabin with user control over climate and music.

        1. Jason Avatar
          Jason

          Kinda like the promise of “affordable” Obamacare right?

          1. Kevin Kent Avatar
            Kevin Kent

            Well, we’re talking about private industry. If it’s not affordable then it won’t get adopted by customers. So obviously it would have to be “affordable.”

  813. Jeff Avatar
    Jeff

    You’re kidding me? Right?

    Not yet another propaganda puff piece de-sensitizing the sheeple to the day (coming soon, soon), when they will no longer be able to afford to own a car and will be stuck in whatever city sh*t hole (Detroit, Flint, Buffalo, Baltimore, Philadelphia, etc.), they can no longer escape from except on foot. Good luck with that.

    The automobile has been the biggest symbol and promise of freedom and independence to a people otherwise enslaved to being just another revenue stream for over a hundred years. The bottom line, if you take this crappy excuse for a piece of journalism seriously, the bottom line is: “You can just kiss all that goodbye.”

  814. JabberJoe Avatar
    JabberJoe

    This article brought to you by the Church of Climate Change and the Chicken Little Action Committee.

  815. Uncanny_Valley Avatar
    Uncanny_Valley

    A car is more than an appliance getting people from point A to point B. It is a status symbol, people haul their dogs and cats in them, they are identified as the woman as the red Ford, etc…and they do all kinds of weird stuff in it when they want it.

  816. jfgalt Avatar
    jfgalt

    I never hear anyone talk about what all this does for motorcycles as well. Motorcycles are not going to fit into the scheme of driverless cars too well. I think the most aggravating part of all this is the fact that we are yet handing off a little more control of our lives and destinies to some faceless bureaucrat or government agency. If the control systems on any of this ever gets hacked then you see a mess like no other.

  817. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    Perhaps what should be said is that in 2030, hardly anyone will be able to afford a car. I feel lucky that I live near in an area where I don’t need a car to get to work and most other places. As for driverless cars, I think they should be reserved for short trips for the elderly, the blind, etc. Mass amounts of headless cars on the freeways are an invite to some sort of disastrous hacking.

    1. Kevin Kent Avatar
      Kevin Kent

      Virtually every car built in the last 10 years can already be hacked. Self-driving cars will not change that reality at all.

  818. John Doe Avatar
    John Doe

    What malarkey, sounds like the jokers who said people would pay $2 for a 5 cent coffee and buy bottled water.

  819. laughoutloud Avatar
    laughoutloud

    B S

  820. Yourmommabeenslobbin Avatar
    Yourmommabeenslobbin

    and the U.S. will transition to the metric system by the year 2000…

    1. Jason Avatar
      Jason

      I remember back in the 70’s our teachers where telling us in a decade America would be on the Metric system.

    2. John Doe Avatar
      John Doe

      Your handle & pic is cracking me up :o)

  821. izzyeddy Avatar
    izzyeddy

    All it takes is one bored hacker, think about it…
    Meanwhile I’m still waiting for my flying car LOL

  822. DFDalton Avatar
    DFDalton

    This is completely absurd. A free ride with a $4.50 coffee purchase? Who’s going to pay for the vehicles, the energy, the roads and maintenance? If it’s possible to do all this free to the passenger, why do urban mass transit systems still charge fares?

    Millennials seem to be buying into Utopianism en masse. Mars colonies. The Hyperloop, solar roadways. Tunnels crisscrossing LA, transporting cars on 125-mph electric sleds. Science and technology will lead humanity into a socialist utopia where everyone is equal and no one has to work! What could be more appealing to the average lazy millennial? And today’s kids – poorly educated, misled by politicians and fake news like this, and steeped in video games and cgi blockbusters that make fantasy look so “real” – can no longer properly distinguish science fiction from fact.

  823. FAR BEYOND DRIVEN Avatar
    FAR BEYOND DRIVEN

    Lol if a latte is $4.50 and not $20.00+ in 2030, I will walk to the coffee shop instead…

  824. Jason Avatar
    Jason

    I think the writer simply fails to recognize the basic human desire to travel when ever and where ever we want.

  825. James Michael Avatar
    James Michael

    So they think they are going to force us to share rides with violent, racist black animals everyday??? They got another f()ck-in thing comin’!!!

  826. j dub Avatar
    j dub

    Wow, some people are just oblivious. Have you looked at the voting trends of COUNTIES in America? Overwhelmingly red, yes, but that’s not the point. The point is tens of millions of Americans live outside of the city limits. I’m contemplating a move to acreage miles from a small town. There is no way in just 30 years car ownership will be over. 300 years, maybe, but c’mon people, 2030(15 years??)…preposterous.

  827. Killary Sux Avatar
    Killary Sux

    Bull sheet! Someone is trying to get Congress to line their pockets with grant money.

  828. oldmossback Avatar
    oldmossback

    No gov. bs is going to replace my diesel pickup truck……..no one!

  829. walterc Avatar
    walterc

    I may not have a car, but that will only mean I have two pickup trucks.

  830. The_Mistaken_President Avatar
    The_Mistaken_President

    Whoever authored this report doesn’t understand the American consumer.
    Just because you have a supply of something doesn’t necessitate a demand.

    1. Jason Avatar
      Jason

      I think they are from Australia. But even there, huge rural areas would not make this idea practical.

  831. Steve Sherman Avatar
    Steve Sherman

    The article cited the success with solar as proof? I stopped reading at that point, not when I started seeing grammatical errors.

  832. techwimp Avatar
    techwimp

    Maybe this new technology can be used for taxi service, but I will still own a cartruck.

  833. hokkoda Avatar
    hokkoda

    There are nearly 270million registered vehicles in the United States. At an annual sales rate of 15M/yr, it would take 20 years to completely replace every car in America.

    The total cost of these A-EV’s would likely run north of $30K, but let’s use $30K for fun, $8,100,000,000,000. That is $8.1T, or about 2-3x the entire budget of the United States Government. Where ya gonna get that money?

    In 13 years. HAHAHAHAHA Oh, and I forgot to mention this: Number of commercially available A-EV’s in America today? ZERO.

    I love how that graph shows the entire commercial US auto industry collapsing 100% in 4 years. Not 5% or 10%, which would be amazing, but 100%. In four years. It’s like the people who wrote this took out some sharpies and a dry erase board and just drew whatever popped into their heads.

    You morons don’t even have the infrastructure built to support those cars. Also, early testing of self-driving cars had revealed a pretty fatal flaw: HUMAN DRIVERS ON THE ROADS. Human drivers speed, run red lights, randomly change lanes without signaling, etc. The roads themselves aren’t designed – most municipalities struggle to paint new lines every 2 years – for A-EVs.

    Thanks for the laugh!

    1. madmatt5 Avatar
      madmatt5

      I think you are making a false comparison. We simply won’t need nearly as many vehicles as today. The cost will be borne by transport as a service companies through revenue from their millions of willing customers.

      A-EVs will be exponentially more useful because they can work essentially 24×7. In dense, urban areas, 90% FEWER vehicles will be needed to achieve ubiquitous door to door transport for everyone. Also no need for street parking or most parking lots (Just depots for the A-EVs scattered around the city). Huge swaths of land currently used as traffic lanes and parking lots can be repurposed to enhance human life – wide sidewalks, parks,greenbelts, etc. Home garages can be repurposed into living space.Oh, and no need for public transport anymore either – Just give transit vouchers to the poor.

      As for infrastructure, A-EVs drive those costs WAAAAY down. They simply require a lot less. Initially, that means fewer lanes of traffic. But when they reach ubiquity, it also means no need for road signs, traffic signals, or street lights.

      So, cities will go first, and that will happen VERY fast. The suburbs will take a bit longer. As for rural, I’m not convinced yet. Between the longer distances and a more independent mindset, that’s a tougher nut to crack.

      Their timeline for the death of personal vehicle sales is definitely off. No way it completely flatlines in 7 years time; Could easily drop by half though. My wife and I are currently shopping for a new vehicle and it’s almost certainly going to be our last; We live in a suburb about 20 minutes drive from the city center.

      1. hokkoda Avatar
        hokkoda

        Ain’t. Gonna. Happen. Like a lot of “futurists” you breeze right past all the hard things that take decades to accomplish to talk about green grass and open space. HA. $8 Trillion.

        What is the most disruptive technology of the last decade? The Apple iphone. How many are there in America today? 94M. That’s it, and it “drives” on existing telecomm infrastructure, replaced a product that wears out ever year or two, and costs a $500 pittance by comparison.

        Cities will actually be the LAST places where A-EVs are adopted. First of all, local Transit will fight it because they’ll want to protect busses and trains. Just like they’ve been fighting Uber. Do you know how many government employees and employee unions operate in and around mass transit? It’s a LOT. That battle alone will take years to sort out.

        Am I saying there will be no A-EVs? No, there will be some. But like electric cars in general, which are about 1% of US sales (150,000 vs. nearly 17,000,000), the promises far exceed the results.

        And that’s BEFORE you try to fully automate one and drive it through Manhattan. lol

        1. madmatt5 Avatar
          madmatt5

          Respectfully agree to disagree. Luckily, we will find out together in the near future.

    2. Samuel Adams Avatar
      Samuel Adams

      An earlier version of a talking Barbie was condemned for saying “Math is hard!”…

  834. Sam's Empty Chair Avatar
    Sam’s Empty Chair

    But people WANT cars. And the only way people lose something they want is if they’re under a Government that takes it from them.

  835. OncealwaysaMarine Avatar
    OncealwaysaMarine

    Bull shiite. You can ride around in an “autonomous” golf cart. I’m driving my 2009 Mustang GT convertible.

    1. Samuel Adams Avatar
      Samuel Adams

      Always a ‘Stang…

  836. Johnny Thorne Avatar
    Johnny Thorne

    Stupid article. Americans will always own cheap vehicles for transportation.

  837. Johnny Avatar
    Johnny

    No way this takes place. First of all, the cost of paying a taxi is outrageous and who is going to be waiting for a driverless car to come and pick you up. The cost is going to be too high for many people. Lastly, like most Americans I will not give up my car. Those who envision such a scenario of a driverless car don’t know Americans that well. How is a teenage boy going to get down and dirty in the backseat of a car parked on “make-out ridge?” Plus, the government will know everything about you, where you go, who is with you, and your routine. No, I would rather walk just the same!

  838. LibsAreLikeLocusts Avatar
    LibsAreLikeLocusts

    Yeah right !!!!!!! $4.50 after my latte ……… that statement says it all right there. Only in Libtardia, USA .

  839. originalintent Avatar
    originalintent

    This will happen the same time that I replace a good steak with Soylent Green.

  840. FontanezRo Avatar
    FontanezRo

    The LIBERAL DREAM!!!! I have already said that in the near future THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO OWN A VEHICLE. The dream of the tree huger.

    After a few years liberals will be screaming about too many cars and you can then anticipate going back to the days of bicycles because of course it will be cruel to use a horse. LIBERALS!!

    1. Mikey1109 Avatar
      Mikey1109

      Yep, “liberals” are a major pain in the shorts.

    2. Cliff Williams Avatar
      Cliff Williams

      It really has nothing to do with the environment. Liberals hate the fact that Americans can vote with their feet. They can leave CA and NY and move to Texas and Florida. If they could get away with it they would levy a hefty tax on individuals leaving their states.

  841. Max Avatar
    Max

    You can have my jeep when you pry it form my cold, dead ass..

  842. David_from_San_Diego Avatar
    David_from_San_Diego

    This will eventually happen because it will not only let the Government KNOW everywhere you go, but it will also let the Government CONTROL everywhere you go.

  843. Veritasortruth Avatar
    Veritasortruth

    “His early forecasts for the enormous uptake of solar where considered crazy, but were proved right,”
    ///////
    What rubbish. Right about Solar? Give me a break. Solar is only providing about 1% or so of the total energy used in the United States. I’m not sure about other nations, but it’s safe to that solar would be providing even less if it were not for government subsidies. This article is the biggest pile of you-know-what that I’ve read in a while.

  844. Devine gaurdian of light Avatar
    Devine gaurdian of light

    This is the worst idea imaginable. Been on a city bus lately? It’s awful.

  845. Ronald Roman Avatar
    Ronald Roman

    This is from “The Onion” , right?!

  846. NM156 Avatar
    NM156

    Bullsh*t report intended to run up stock prices and whip up venture capitalists into a frenzy. All garbage.

    1. Cliff Williams Avatar
      Cliff Williams

      Exactly! It is all about the funding. He was right about solar? Really? Here is the wholly solar powered major City? Answer: It doesn’t exist. Solar only works for those garden lights. I have neighbors with roofs covered in solar panels, in the Sunshine State and it still cannot power their home in the summer. Not to mention the cost of repairs.

      Autonomous cars are a pipe dream! Like the auto-programmer stated earlier. NOT SAFE ENOUGH!

  847. David Snyder Avatar
    David Snyder

    I call Bu115h1T!!!

  848. Gary surdyke Avatar
    Gary surdyke

    Only if it is mandated by a tyrannical government. My personal transportation vehicle is my freedom. No more spontaneous acts of freedom.

  849. shp Avatar
    shp

    Geez, libturds must think this will be free, just like college.

    Let’s see, if libturds are willing to pay $10 a day for transportation, that’s $300 a month. Which is already a car payment. And you can get some of that money back when you sell your car.

    $20 a day? Now you’re up to $600 a month. More than enough to cover a car payment, insurance, and a maintenance.

    But the libturd mentality is so much different than the rest of the country. They’re so used to industrial farms feeding them, the government providing social services for them, power magically appearing, clean water pumped in from out of state, just so much dependency already built into their mindset.

    So it’s easy to see why so many libturfds would be interested in this. Just depending on someone else to provide them with something they don’t want to do.

    So sad.

  850. SalmonDaze Avatar
  851. Phil Bickel Avatar
    Phil Bickel

    These people claim to understand economics?

    Do they seriously think the auto industry, and dealerships are going lay down, stretch out their necks and let themselves be slaughtered?

    Do they think the oil industry will do the same?

    Do they think the laws economics don’t apply to the auto industry?

    Or the used car market?

    Do they think the consumer wants to give up on their freedom and flexibility that the automobile represents?

    Think about what a Camry sells for today? Around $20K.

    What did it sell for in 1997?

    $23,000?

    Think about inflation that has occurred in 20 years.

    That Camry is selling, in real dollars, for about half what it did in 1997!

    Now look at the tech in the 2018 Camry.

    ABS
    VSC
    Traction Control
    10 air bags
    PreCollision Automatic Braking
    Pedestrian protection
    Lane Departure Alert with steering correction.
    Auto High-Beams

    Drowsy driver, impaired driver warning
    Dynamic Laser Cruise
    Bluetooth
    XM
    GPS
    60 additional hp
    20% fuel economy improvement
    4 wheel Fully independent suspension

    The 1997 Camry had none of that, and Toyota, alone,has 150 billion on cash.

    They have a credit line in excess of one Trillion.

    Now, there are about 36 other major auto companies.

    This is typical of static thinking.

    We may get to their utopia in 100 years, but not 15 years.

    This is the leftist-globilist dream.

    My advice to the writer’s of this article, is to get out of New York, and their Mommy’ basement.

  852. El_Tigre_Loco Avatar
    El_Tigre_Loco

    I wonder when it will be discovered that the exotic ingredients in these batteries are more destructive to the environment than burning natural fuel.

  853. MrWorldCitizen1 Avatar
    MrWorldCitizen1

    Sounds good to the “gimmedats.” But he is forgetting a very important factor and reality. Greed. Because of greed, the prices won’t be as low as he is predicting. Take for example gas. Gas companies could make a reasonable profit with gas at $1.50 or even a little less. So, why are gas companies posting record profits each year for the past 10 years or so? Greed. I’m a capitalist and have no problem with reasonable profit. But greed torques my jaws.
    $

  854. indyogb Avatar
    indyogb

    So… 10 more years and I can finally afford a 1970 Camaro? Excellent.

    …but I won’t hold my breath. 😀

  855. Cliff Williams Avatar
    Cliff Williams

    IT is like public transportation in the south. It does not work! Fact is, you are not getting Bubba out of his truck!

    1. MrWorldCitizen1 Avatar
      MrWorldCitizen1

      Or me out of my Audi.
      $

  856. jim Avatar
    jim

    maybe 100 years..

  857. La Billyboy Avatar
    La Billyboy

    This is a leftist commie whack job pipe dream… cooked up by someone who’s never been outside of NYC, San Francisco or LA… 95% of the country is too sparsely populated for this socialist population control scheme to ever be practical. I don’t doubt the Democrat Socialist enclaves in the sardine can big cities will try this, but it won’t happen nationwide, ever. Not in a free society.

  858. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
    Snowflake Safe Zone

    Horseshit.

    1. Samuel Adams Avatar
      Samuel Adams

      What? They’ll run on that?

      1. MrWorldCitizen1 Avatar
        MrWorldCitizen1

        Maybe the methane.
        $

  859. CDR_NC Avatar
    CDR_NC

    And the polar ice caps will melt by 2010

  860. JabberJoe Avatar
    JabberJoe

    This is a great idea because electric cars run on magic, no need for fuel.

  861. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
    Snowflake Safe Zone

    Liberals are the saddest, most negative and ridiculous people on the planet.

  862. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
    Snowflake Safe Zone

    Here is the biography of the writer of this crap. Note the last part of what he was editor of….Giles Parkinson is a journalist of 30 years experience, a former Business Editor and Deputy Editor of the Financial Review, a columnist for The Bulletin magazine and The Australian, and the former editor of Climate Spectator.

  863. Hussey Avatar
    Hussey

    I’ll take that bet. There is no way cars ownership will be essentially going by 2030. Not 2050, 2070 or even 2100. In cities, sure, maybe. In the rest of the real world, no way.

  864. Kayley Avatar
    Kayley

    Sure! Maybe for short drives like commuting. But I love to drive cross-country when I vacation. Will that apply there? Doesn’t look like it now. Though, if it eventually does, as long as I can say when to stop for a rest stop or a detour to visit a site, then fine. I’d love to be able to just sit back and watch the scenery go by.

  865. sreginliksregin Avatar
    sreginliksregin

    100% B.S.
    Only a libturd would come up with such an absurd piece of garbage journalism. You try getting anywhere in rural areas without a vehicle….ain’t never going to happen. Plus people LIKE to drive, for many reason. So cars are not going away not in a hundred years.

  866. Meanstreak Avatar
    Meanstreak

    YOU WISH LEFTIST IDIOTS! BAHAHA

  867. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
    Snowflake Safe Zone

    Are these are these self driving cars or will I be driven by a Uber rapist?

  868. JoeUSA Avatar
    JoeUSA

    Coming soon, 15-year mortgages for cars! This story sounds very plausible the way car prices continue to rise. Back in 1989 you could buy a brand new Honda Civic for $5K! now a tiny Fiat 500 costs $23K .. insanity! a full sized pickup with big engine for hauling is $40K.

  869. rhinobuster Avatar
    rhinobuster

    This will never happen. Only an idiot could write such nonsense and believe it.

  870. Baseballguy2001 Avatar
    Baseballguy2001

    “Like his predictions on the rise of solar, and the sudden decline of fossil fuels, Seba’s calculations are driven by simple economics. … ” Uh, where is the rise of solar? It and residential fuel cells are a very expensive hobbies today. There is no way the car or SUV sitting in your driveway is going away in a little over a decade.

  871. vilonia Avatar
    vilonia

    Not until I get my Jetson’s flying car? This is a nightmare that big city dwellers may someday see, but it will never penetrate into rural areas. I don’t think their little EV will get me back into the woods for hunting like my F150 FX4 truck does either.

  872. Smingee67 Avatar
    Smingee67

    Performance is a neutral factor…..? Not in my house.

    1. Smingee67 Avatar
      Smingee67

      As an ad for a Dodge Charger floats above the article.

  873. vilonia Avatar
    vilonia

    Looking forward to driving circles around some driver-less vehicle, terrorizing the morons inside.

  874. White Privilege Avatar
    White Privilege

    Complete BS, I recently went to a local car show and there were 20-25 1970-80s Cadillacs. A New era of collectible cars. Not to mention all the modern day hot rods, corvettes and bikes at the show. Probably 200-300 cars in and out of the lot for 9am to noon. The best part was there were 20 somethings completely into the hobby. There is no sign of it slowing down. Now if you live in NYC and LA and you wear skinny jeans you might like the idea of the electric car service.

  875. jjeffs63 Avatar
    jjeffs63

    Follow the money. Such “groundbreaking” studies are usually (not always) written by crackpots and financed by those seeking to cash in.

  876. Huh Avatar
    Huh

    They can’t even synchronize traffic lights effectively, but look out: Auto-vehicles are 12 1/2 years away? Right…

  877. DG Avatar
    DG

    ‘ …car manufacturers will build cars with long lifetimes and low operating costs.”

    And horses will grow wings.

  878. MontanaSon Avatar
    MontanaSon

    I can think of a thousand reasons why this isn’t happening. And that’s just for starters.

  879. Denny Soltis Avatar
    Denny Soltis

    What if I like to drag race? Can someone still burn rubber in one of these utopian vehicles?

  880. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
    Snowflake Safe Zone

    I hear that a stupid leftist in California wants to ban classic cars. Unless they are retrofitted with modern pollution devices at a cost of 20k. Idiots.

    1. Buddy Avatar
      Buddy

      NOT TRUE

      1. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
        Snowflake Safe Zone

        And you know this how, Buddy?

        1. Buddy Avatar
          Buddy

          I LIVE HERE ..and own 2 classic cars ..it is NOT TRUE..
          there is no legislation being proposed or even “kicked around” that intends to END the ownership of Classic Cars in California
          the legislator’s ..even the UBER LIBERAL ones know that pollution does not come from cars that sit inside RICH PEOPLE’S garages…99% of the time

          1. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
            Snowflake Safe Zone

            Are you rich? Do you drive your cars or do they just sit in your garage while you jerk off to them?

          2. Buddy Avatar
            Buddy

            MOST ” classic cars”..like mine…. are
            1) irreplaceable
            2) expensive to buy
            3) expensive to operate

            so driving a 1970 Chevelle SS 454 is not easy to drive or advisable to do very often
            my 1979 Trans Am is easier and more fun to drive but is worth way too much money to risk being wrecked …and these cars are NEVER left in a parking lot…
            Classic Cars are irreplaceable ..they are NOT made anymore

            owning classic cars is NOT for poor people ..that is for sure

          3. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
            Snowflake Safe Zone

            So they sit in your garage. Ever heard of classic car insurance? I have 3 with Grundy. Full replacement value.

          4. Buddy Avatar
            Buddy

            again..it is not the MONEY..it is about the car..
            yes ..my Insurance (Hagerty) ..will give me replacement “value” for the car…
            but I will never find another 1979 Trans Am with a 400 4 speed and Burt Reynolds signature on the Shaker Hood . ..they DON’T make them any more…
            and back to you point about the FAKE NEWS of a law to “ban classic cars”
            the legislature here in California is aware of the VERY overall limited use of Classic Cars ..they are even floating around the possibility to END smog requirements for 1976-1981 cars ..because there are VERY FEW remaining on the road and those that are like mine not used too often so that it would generate any measurable pollution as compared to cars that are used every day …
            both of my Muscle Cars pollute LESS per year than 100,000 Toyota Prius’ driven every day

          5. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
            Snowflake Safe Zone

            I was born in California. Thank god I left. You should do the same.

  881. Jayhawk46 Avatar
    Jayhawk46

    The math doesn’t work. There are not enough raw materials, i.e., Lead, Nickel, Cadmium and Rare Earth metals to build this ginormous fleet of EVs. Plus, you’re going to have to burn an awful lot of coal to get them all built.
    It’s the same reason that T.Boone Pickens abandoned his dream of having a national Natural Gas infrastructure for vehicles – he did the math.

  882. Larry Ladd Avatar
    Larry Ladd

    How will I haul my yak to fish?

  883. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
    Snowflake Safe Zone

    The writer of this story, Giles Parkinson, is a former editor of Climate Spectator. That should tell you all you need to know where this clown is coming from.

  884. notme123 Avatar
    notme123

    Good for the cities but not for the subs or country. I’ll believe it when I see it.

  885. ltcajh Avatar
    ltcajh

    Right- we’ll give up our pickups, then electric cars will take our products to the store, pick up supplies, and pull our RVs? I don’t think so!

    1. Buddy Avatar
      Buddy

      you are correct….this MOVEMENT towards EV and automation is pushed by RENTERS living in the urban areas
      Homeowners are more apt to NEED private transportation
      the urbanites have been predicting the demise of the automobile for about 100 years now
      I see 100 more years of cars ..the suburbs are built around cars ..

  886. richard cranium Avatar
    richard cranium

    I agree that’s where its heading, but I think its more generations away than 2030. You can see it already in the younger generations. They would much rather play on their phone than drive. The ever increasing cost of new vehicles is also going to contribute. Cars aren’t just getting more expensive because of inflation. They’re getting more expensive with inflation accounted for because of more technology in the car…mostly emissions and safety. The average percentage of a persons income being spent on personal transportation is shocking. If you don’t need a personal car, you just saved a huge chunk of income.

  887. Rick Smith Avatar
    Rick Smith

    Right! I’m restoring a GAS HOG! A 1957 Chevy Belair.
    Damn the torpedos , full speed ahead!
    Environ-MENTAL RETARDS!

  888. Chris Bostic Avatar
    Chris Bostic

    Bunch of gay asses who believe it

  889. Male Man Avatar
    Male Man

    Cars will be bigger and trucks will be much bigger….gas goes down in price and luxury kicks in…..I want a dang big truck…..this article is written by a snowflake lib…

  890. MAGAtime Avatar
    MAGAtime

    Yeah, and chickens will become extinct! In another 12,356 years. Typical make-something-up forecasting without a shred of evidence. Chasing rainbows in search of notoriety.

  891. Dian_Cecht ???? Avatar
    Dian_Cecht ????

    NO ownership of private automobiles.
    NO ownership of real property
    NO ownership of CASH.

    All of us sharing and living the Globalist dream together, a 225 sq ft cement tower living space with one 40 watt lightbulb and a government-rationed meal of freeze dried grasshoppers each day.

  892. BigGreen1981 Avatar
    BigGreen1981

    “Think tank” = Liberal Mouthpiece

  893. SerfCityHereWeCome Avatar
    SerfCityHereWeCome

    Probably true, considering that the Democrat totalitarians will almost certainly be able to steal at least one election by then, which is all they’ll need to ban all private property and everything else…except for themselves in the Inner Party of course…

  894. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
    Snowflake Safe Zone

    Could you imagine a bunch of driverless cars in Detroit? Carjacked and burned every night.

  895. 1911 Avatar
    1911

    These projections brought to you by the same people that said oil was 25 years away form running out in the 70’s, and that brought you hillary’s electoral projections.

  896. Hedley LaMarr Avatar
    Hedley LaMarr

    Total spin. That is in 12.5 years. I ain’t getting rid of mine, idiots. In fact, I am buying more cars.

  897. Reggie1971 Avatar
    Reggie1971

    The car has been a integral part of American culture because it represents independence. The idea that the majority of Americans will have given that up in 13 years is absurd.

  898. Everett Sykes Avatar
    Everett Sykes

    This guy Seba obviously is an urban taxi rider who knows nothing about the joys of driving or taking a road trip. Half of the journey is the adventure of getting there. Does he really think that anyone with sufficient testosterone would abandon the sound of a well tuned sports car. just another glibalist with visions of the hive’s pipe dreams of a collectivists utopia. Freemen drive themselves.

  899. Faith Coleridge✔ Avatar
    Faith Coleridge✔

    Yeah. Sure. Weren’t we all supposed to be flying our cars now and living underwater because of global warming? This is the dumbest thing I’ve read in ages.

  900. Jay_tea Avatar
    Jay_tea

    So, I’m supposed to believe that in 7 years sales of cars to individuals will drop to zero?

    1. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
      Snowflake Safe Zone

      The ultra leftards hope so.

  901. Oofduh Avatar
    Oofduh

    LOL

  902. pbnjelley Avatar
    pbnjelley

    I’m going to save this article and tag it to be read in three years, when supposedly everyone stops buying cars. What a bunch of trash! This is as laughable as Al Gore’s prediction that the East Coast would be underwater by 2017. Oh, wait…. It’s 2017! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    1. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
      Snowflake Safe Zone

      Al Bore is a phony who jets around the world making millions on stupid leftards, then laughing all the way to the bank.

  903. Theoriesabound Avatar
    Theoriesabound

    This will happen, maybe not as fast as projected. it will begin in major cities and the A-EV only zones will expand from there. over the road trucking and bus transportation will move to the cargo blimps which are being made now.

  904. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
    Snowflake Safe Zone

    This whole article is nothing but a Libtards wet dream.

  905. Joe Sumcock Avatar
    Joe Sumcock

    I’ve seen this movie…
    It doesn’t end well.

  906. damionblackthorn Avatar
    damionblackthorn

    Yeah, and we’re were supposed to have an Ice Age by 1980….and the World was supposed to run out of food before the 1990’s and there’d be mass starvation…and the ocean would engulf the continents by 2000….and we’d run out of fossil fuel before 1999…and on and on and on….
    what a bunch of tripe from an over educated idiot. When cars are no more, then people will have no way to move. When there is no movement, there is no business, nothing……
    It will be a cold day in hell before electric cars take over the world and before people put their faith in someone doing their transportation plans for them….

    1. ebola131 Avatar
      ebola131

      Does that mean we’re going to entirely skip the flying cars?
      I’ve been waiting since 1955 for that flying Ford Victoria.
      III/0317

      1. damionblackthorn Avatar
        damionblackthorn

        I think so…no George Jettson cars for us….every time I see someone’s version of a “flying car”, it still looks like a plane, with folding wings…..until they come out with the anti-gravity device..it’s No Flying Cars For You…>!!! Darn it !!

  907. Chuck Stevens Avatar
    Chuck Stevens

    lol the young writers of today…….crazy stuff in their heads

  908. Chuck Stevens Avatar
    Chuck Stevens

    By Giles Parkinson on 9 May 2017 = nutcase

  909. Adrian Vance Avatar

    Ah the great truths of higher math. Remember Long Term Management? Damn near brought down the whole world financial system. Nice typing, but no sale here….

    Google “Two Minute Conservative” for more.

  910. Peter Carrol Avatar
    Peter Carrol

    And how do you generate electricity without oil & coal?
    Not trading in my car or selling Exxon shares just yet.

  911. Terry Newberry Avatar
    Terry Newberry

    You can have my car when you pry my cold dead ass from the seat…

  912. Bill Avatar
    Bill

    Today is not April 1st, so I must be reading The Onion.

  913. crissyfield Avatar
    crissyfield

    The rich will have the cars. My city is making it more difficult to be a driver….less parking places, increasing fines, registration fees, etc. The roads are more difficult to navigate because of bicycles, and more dangerous!

    1. Snowflake Safe Zone Avatar
      Snowflake Safe Zone

      Lib city no doubt.

  914. MBG9 Avatar
    MBG9

    Yo feet stank.

  915. LazarusRose Avatar
    LazarusRose

    Haha, you morons gonna plow my field and transport my horses and hay for me with electric roller skates. Liberati think no one exists but them, and their lifestyle.
    Narcissistic bastards

  916. Accipiter Avatar
    Accipiter

    I could see this for commuting to and from white collar type jobs, but if you think the auto industry and big oil (too big to fail) will let this happen, think again.

  917. Michael Lang Avatar
    Michael Lang

    What a load of baloney.

  918. Morty_B Avatar
    Morty_B

    This Headline brought to you by the same a-holes who said we were entering an ice age in the 1970s….then global warming in the 80s & 90s….then climate ‘change’ in the 2000s & 2010’s, etc., etc., etc……yeah-yeah…..

  919. PickyWizard Avatar
    PickyWizard

    This article is beyond dumb. Anyone who believes it is beyond dumb.

  920. ebola131 Avatar
    ebola131

    I’ll take that bet.

  921. roosterCrow4 Avatar
    roosterCrow4

    This reminds me of when these educated idiots said we would all have flying cars by the 70s. Sorry, we like having freedom of movement too much to become dependent on a government controlled uber.

  922. patriotds1 Avatar
    patriotds1

    More green garbage

  923. David R. Usher Avatar
    David R. Usher

    Corporations are drooling over the idea of propertyless societies where people own nothing and rent everything their entire lives. “Transport as a Service” will cost more because a middleman company makes a profit driving you everyplace. This idea is DOA. Self driving cars do not work where snow hides the road. How do you get the kids to school on time if you have to wait for a car-bot to get to your house? Vacations are another problem. Good luck getting a load of concrete pavers and plywood back from the hardware store. Socialist futurists do not understand that cars ARE freedom AND Independence. An immobile populace is imminently controllable. We are NOT stupid enough to turn over freedom itself.!!!!

  924. Patrick Burton Avatar
    Patrick Burton

    Nope. Don’t trust people or machines to drive me. Sorry. It may happen, but it will take years to do, more than 13. Apparently who ever wrote this article has never traveled across the vast expanses of the US. Many area’s of the US are not very conducive to electric vehicles and someone trying to make a living taxiing folks around.

    1. Mr. Deplorable Avatar
      Mr. Deplorable

      Consider the source “Renew-Economy”, it’s not too biased is it.

  925. Clementina Hinojosa Avatar
    Clementina Hinojosa

    Who is paying the start up costs?

    1. democrat CockRoach Avatar
      democrat CockRoach

      Hillary and barry except they lost.

  926. democrat CockRoach Avatar
    democrat CockRoach

    This is what the NWO “liberals” want for their leftist IDIOTS. They also want to take away their REAL money, You will be totally dependent on azzes like Obama and Hillary and suckerberg to go anywhere and spend any money.
    SCREW THAT

  927. Dan Neuenswander Avatar
    Dan Neuenswander

    Plastic is a by-product of oil refining, a C3 hydrocarbon propane, propylene and poly propylene. Most parts of an electric car, oil for lubrication, plastic bodies and interior are oil based….

    1. Jay_tea Avatar
      Jay_tea

      True, but you do use more oil in the first tank of gas than was used to build those parts. (Granted that’s an estimate, but shouldn’t be too far off.)

  928. SquirrelCutter Avatar
    SquirrelCutter

    What will happen to mudhogging and going camping in the boonies? Screw electric cars, I’ll stick with my F250. K THX BYE

    1. democrat CockRoach Avatar
      democrat CockRoach

      I think the F250 is a perfect example since the leftist idiots told us that was going away 50 years ago (in favor of small Japanese trucks).

    2. Mr. Deplorable Avatar
      Mr. Deplorable

      Unless these autonomous electric cars are forced on people I think most people feel the same way. Usually there’s a market that creates a product, in this case they are creating a product hoping that there will be a market for it. I smell epic fail in the U.S.

  929. Mr. Deplorable Avatar
    Mr. Deplorable

    Follow the money. The big money is still financing and lending to the oil industry They’re putting their money where the profit is long term and that’s not with autonomous electric cars. Someday maybe, but not for decades. The money trail is always the best indicator.

  930. Ghengis Khan Avatar
    Ghengis Khan

    I’ll stop driving when you pry my cold dead fingers off of the steering wheel.

  931. Jjj1965 Avatar
    Jjj1965

    2030….don’t think so.

    1. Jjj1965 Avatar
      Jjj1965

      Al Gore….is that you?

  932. John Avatar
    John

    Did some tech leftie recently watch The Last Chase or something?

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082642/

  933. Sean123321 Avatar
    Sean123321

    Uber, Lyft and Didi have also invested billions of dollars developing technologies and services to overcome these issues. In 2016, these companies drove 500,000 passengers per day in New York City alone.
    “That was triple the number of passengers driven the previous year.”

    Yup, and most of that increase came from Taxis, which were already doing the same thing. If you are saying people won’t own cars in NYC, we know. They already don’t.

  934. popeye2010 Avatar
    popeye2010

    Is this before or after our brains get downloaded into shiny immortal robot bodies?

    1. mrunpc Avatar
      mrunpc

      I’ll take that…as long as my robomate measures 36-26-36.

  935. rustyshackleford1978 . Avatar
    rustyshackleford1978 .

    20 years ago they were projecting flying cars as a norm too…..

  936. Sardondi Avatar
    Sardondi

    13 years? Absolute, unadulterated green futurist BS.

  937. Janny McNeil Avatar
    Janny McNeil

    What if the public says, “No!”?
    Will only the uber rich have normal cars????

  938. bluesdoc70 Avatar
    bluesdoc70

    So this idiot thinks the people who stand to lose all those trillions of dollars in fossil fuel related industries and sales are just going to roll over and let the Unicorn lovers wipe out their wealth?

    If any politician is stupid enough back it…A slow-motion screening of the Zapruder film in the White House basement will show him the error of his ways.

  939. Dave Avatar
    Dave

    Hey!!! I want to take my kids skiing this weekend! 6 pair of skis, boots,poles…gear, lunch, and clothes. Will my electro Escalade get me there in a snowstorm?????

  940. 3rdID Avatar
    3rdID

    What a bunch of nonsense!!You think people are going to share some filthy pos vehicle with the rest of the world.? That’s not freedom. I want a fossil fuel burning bad to the bone luxury muscle care or SUV. Not some electric match box car full of someone else’s stinky germs. The world is awash in cheap oil and by God we will burn it for another 100 years.

  941. NathanHale Avatar
    NathanHale

    Absurd! Car ownership and driving = FREEDOM.
    Americans will NEVER give up their rides.

    1. Rod Avatar
      Rod

      And they will never let the government grope their genitals at airports, right?

      1. NathanHale Avatar
        NathanHale

        You’re mixing apples and oranges, er, apples and “nuts”.

        1. Rod Avatar
          Rod

          Since most Americans have already accepted tyranny and loss of Constitutional freedoms by allowing the “Patriot” Act, NSA spying, etc., I think it’s very germane to the subject of freedom. You and I may never go along with it, but don’t be so sure that the vast population of sheeple will resist it.

          1. NathanHale Avatar
            NathanHale

            I hear you, brother…I can only hope that if it gets more in your face, the sheeple will wake up!

          2. Rod Avatar
            Rod

            Me too bro. I hate to say it, but I think George Washington’s generation would be ashamed to call us their descendants. Those patriots would have hung most of Washington DC by now.

  942. Dave Avatar
    Dave

    I believe that automobile dealerships were also supposed to be extinct at this point, No???

    1. Allah's Third Nipple Avatar
      Allah’s Third Nipple

      Giving away my advanced age, but I remember grade school textbooks that estimated we would have flying cars and colonies on Mars by 1975.

  943. Susan Avatar
    Susan

    Yep—what the psychopathic elites have wanted since they hated Henry Ford who gave the middle class true freedom from being totally controlled by the few sodomite elites (the upper class from the Bank of London who took control of the Federal Reserve and created the Marxist “income tax” to cage and control America.)

    They wanted to shove people into their railroads (like they did in Germany as they funded Hitler) or ships, or stagecoaches to control them, etc. They could no longer prevent people from going to certain areas of the USA and the clever, free, private citizens built the roads for decades until the monopolies were put in place to corral all people. Greatest explosion of wealth for the middle classes was huge and total freedom for a while, until the pederasts took over the minds of children in the 50s and forced their agitprop (lies) in the public schools and “news” papers for a 100 years.

  944. Gorgo Avatar
    Gorgo

    I’ll take the other side of that bet. 2030? Way to soon. People love their cars.

  945. axsd Avatar
    axsd

    I doubt this will replace typical automobiles so soon. But I must say, sounds fantastic for the unfortunate mobility challenge our seniors face once they can no longer drive. And our senior count continues increasing as the population ages with longer life-spans.

    An overreaching prediction, perhaps, but for a fine service.

    1. Gorgo Avatar
      Gorgo

      I know no people that are under 85 and don’t drive. I knew one several years ago, she has passed.

  946. originalintent Avatar
    originalintent

    Interesting. I can just see someone scheduling their ride to a hunting trip in Montana or for a hike in the Smokies. Wonder how I get my kayak to the river and stop for bbq on the way home.

  947. Rod Avatar
    Rod

    Is this a news article, or a corporate press release? Because I didn’t find any downsides mentioned, only positives. I guess the new name for this kind of rubbish is “advocacy journalism”.

    “As with any technology disruption, adoption will grow along an exponential S-curve.”
    Yeah, meaning the disruptive tech THEY want to push because it means more power and control for them.

    Truly disruptive technologies that yield ultra low cost energy have been kept safely locked in vaults for years. But it would only benefit ordinary people and not the Powers That Be.

    1. mrunpc Avatar
      mrunpc

      I learned about this kind of “writing” in my college journalism class many moons ago. It was called “persuasive journalism”. Now it’s just plain liberal/commie propaganda.

      1. Rod Avatar
        Rod

        Really? I skipped that class. Did they actually encourage students not to present all sides of an issue?

  948. mytexas1 Avatar
    mytexas1

    Never gonna happen.

  949. bluesdoc70 Avatar
    bluesdoc70

    Our car’s here kids!…Hey Dad what’s this sticky stuff all over the seats?… And somebody left their underwear back here.

  950. Borchardt Avatar
    Borchardt

    The Anointed do not want mobile subjects. That I can get in a 4WD pickup, drive a 1000 miles, armed to the teeth scares the batsh!t out of them.

  951. ATC250R Avatar
    ATC250R

    Stupid people use urban America as a stand in for the entire country? Right, small town America–the sea of red states–will use the billion dollar tram to go to Walmart or haul the hay.

  952. Fred Wexler Avatar
    Fred Wexler

    Yeah, I really like the government knowing exactly where I go and when I go there.

  953. Brian Gabriel Comeaux Avatar
    Brian Gabriel Comeaux

    Electric vehicles have a future. The motor is just way too much superior to the internal combustion engine. Only thing holding it back is battery technology which seems to be on the cusp of perfection. (Of course, they’ve been saying that for a while. One of those things that seems to always be right around the corner. It’s sort of like nuclear fusion in that regard). Solar and wind, however as grid scale sources of electricity are a totally different story. The inherent deficiencies in both (especially wind but also solar) in density, reliability and dispatchability mean that they will be nothing more than tiny blips on the energy timeline. We have at least a 50-100 year (1 or 2 plant generations) period where natural gas is going to produce most of that electricity. After that, it depends on whether or not the world is smart enough to turn to new tech nuclear fission plants, or if you can dream a little-fusion. Otherwise, natural gas will power on. The world has a few centuries of natural gas to run on if it gets stubborn about nuclear-the obvious answer.

  954. bluesdoc70 Avatar
    bluesdoc70

    Will there be a tinted window tricked out SUV for drive by shootings?

  955. JeffR Avatar
    JeffR

    I wouldn’t hold my breath.

  956. Arnold Ziffel Avatar
    Arnold Ziffel

    Ha, ha, no seriously, GFY with that stupid $hit.

  957. hanginout Avatar
    hanginout

    and in 1969 we were told that by Y2K we would be living in a paperless society…

  958. EJ Moosa Avatar

    This assumes your time has no value and you are good with waiting.

    Just think about winter. You need to get somewhere. Government says please do not travel, the roads will have snow.

    The autonomous vehicles will not come get you. You will be at the mercy of third parties all the time.

    Who believes that is what Americans want? Outside of government?

    1. EJ Moosa Avatar

      Something else struck me, which almost proves that this will never happen.

      Mass Transit systems, with billions in investments and millions of jobs would be out of business if autonomous vehicles take over.

      We could stop building mass transit today if this was going to happen.

      And no one in that sector has said a word.

  959. ThomasThePaine Avatar
    ThomasThePaine

    And you will also get a Gold Ticket to visit the Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory. . .

  960. mrunpc Avatar
    mrunpc

    Only from “down under” could such nonsense emanate. There’s simply NO way this will play out because there are too many variables in using automobiles for one, including just hopping in one to do spur of the moment, local errands. And what about emergencies where someone needs to get someone to a dr. or hospital fast? And accidents? What then?

    This is nothing more than a glorified dream concept of public transportation and in case the writer of this article hadn’t noticed, that has existed for eons, especially in large metropolitan areas. And that begs the question, why do so many people still choose to drive to those cities? Simple, they want the flexibility to go where they want, when they want.

    Hell will freeze over before this CommieCrat fantasy plays out.

  961. The Posse Avatar
    The Posse

    GOVERNMENT TAXES, REGULATIONS, POLICE STOPS AND FINES WILL MAKE THEM TOO EXPENSIVE AND DANGEROUS TO OWN.

    The CAR is the last Bastion of Freedom we have.

  962. The Posse Avatar
    The Posse

    IF YOU WANT A CAR IN THE USA

    BREAK AWAY FROM THE USA IS THE ONLY WAY.

    If you want to live with dignity you cannot do it as a citizen of the USA.

    1. mrunpc Avatar
      mrunpc

      So, where would you suggest, “grasshopper”? Iceland, Greenland or Antartica perhaps?

  963. Big B Avatar
    Big B

    It’s all about government control folks. Combine this with getting rid of cash. You’ll go where you’re allowed to go – if they let you. You’ll live where they say you can live and if you don’t like it they’ll cancel access to your bank account so you won’t be going anywhere. Think about it.

  964. Johnny Ceee. Avatar
    Johnny Ceee.

    I will drive my car to the day i die.

    1. mrunpc Avatar
      mrunpc

      Cripes, I just hope you don’t die while driving it.

      1. Johnny Ceee. Avatar
        Johnny Ceee.

        Maybe if the politicians try took steal it from me.

  965. Allah's Third Nipple Avatar
    Allah’s Third Nipple

    The author assumes that an institution that is rarely cooperative is all of a sudden going to be 100% compliant and complicit. That institution is government. It will take 20 years to overturn the laws and regulations concerning the rare earth metals required for this project alone! Other materials restrictions – those concerning lead for example – will also greatly extend the timeline.

    And this is to say nothing of the level of tort reform that will have to be facillitated for a dream of this nature to EVER come to fruition.

    While a near-distance travel infrastructre like this is possible – even desireable – in large cities and densely populated areas, the whole model falls apart as soon as we hit the suburbs. 50 miles or 50 lbs of cargo will be enough to break the system’s back. Outside of large cities, this isn’t happening anytime soon. We utilize internal combustion engines because they’re a bargain for what they can do. We’ll continue to utilize them as long as that bargain exists.

    All of this is 40 or 50 years away at best.

  966. The Posse Avatar
    The Posse

    OUR DIGNITY AS HUMAN BEINGS HAS BEEN DESTROYED BY OUR GOVERNMENT.

    The USSR broke up into 15 separate nations.

  967. HammerLibs Avatar
    HammerLibs

    Nonsense. Until the battery issue is solved increasing their range, then electric cars will remain on the fourth string team behind cars, buses, and trains.

    1. mrunpc Avatar
      mrunpc

      6th string…cars, buses, trains, plains and boats/ships.

  968. jabusse Avatar
    jabusse

    I’ll still own the same cars I own now.

  969. mrunpc Avatar
    mrunpc

    I love idiotic articles like this because it makes for great reading in the comment section after it. Thanks to all for a good chuckle!

  970. TradeBait Avatar
    TradeBait

    LMAO at the “think” tank that came up with this one. They need to “think” for the compliant Euro masses and Cali loons. Personal travel and vehicles are like guns in America. The leftists will not be taking them – ever. We Deplorables will not let that happen.

  971. ctwatcher✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ Avatar
    ctwatcher✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Taking freedoms one at a time. They don’t have the power to take away our traveling. Call them out on it. Get them gone.

  972. Matthew Mosier Avatar
    Matthew Mosier

    Won’t happen here. In Australia, probably could, since Australia is a leftist country with very little political wisdom (apologies to my friends from there). In the U.S. the major cities already use cars that are owned by companies (cabs) so the only change would be to electric cars and that’s obviously a likely scenario with no real connection to private vs. corporate ownership. The country living types will never give up their cars by 2030 because they value freedom. It’s a theory which works well for the printing press or the Model T, because those were innovations in keeping with the EXPANSION of people’s lifestyles/ freedom, but it will come to a grinding halt if applied to something which removes individuality in a conservative area of the country.

  973. Pauldog Avatar
    Pauldog

    The liberals get more crazier everyday,they think I am going to give up my rv lifestyle.

  974. mrunpc Avatar
    mrunpc

    I’d love to see the expression on author, Giles Parkinson’s face when he reads the comment section here. HA!

    1. Rod Avatar
      Rod

      Yes, people like us are the reason websites are removing their comment sections LOL.

  975. ChrisLongski Avatar
    ChrisLongski

    Anyone remember free electricity from nuclear power ?

    What is hysterical is a bunch of data is presented in the article to “prove” the thesis we’ll all be giving up cars ! Hey, these guys totally studied this – they MUST know what they are talking about, right ? Argumentum ad verecundiam…

  976. GRW3 Avatar
    GRW3

    Just look up at the giant pinwheel space station as shuttles ply their way there from the Earth and the Moon (ala 2001 a Space Odyssey) to understand how real this is. That could have been achieved.

  977. Firehim Avatar
    Firehim

    It’s always “free” when the government wants something implemented…then it’ll end up costing you big time….and be taxed to death.

  978. Firehim Avatar
    Firehim

    Evidently they failed to note the psyche of the average American who LOVE THEIR CARS and the FREEDOM of the road!

  979. l8mdl Avatar
    l8mdl

    How much would RethinkX care to bet me?

  980. Chris ✓ᴷᵐᵉˡᵉ ᶠᵒˢᵗᵉʳ ²⁰²⁰ Avatar
    Chris ✓ᴷᵐᵉˡᵉ ᶠᵒˢᵗᵉʳ ²⁰²⁰

    “Or getting a free ride because the local government has decided to make transport easier.”
    Why do people love socialism?

  981. pixxa Avatar
    pixxa

    LOL I don’t think so. Just like solar and wind. Not happening.

  982. Jimmy Chonga Avatar
    Jimmy Chonga

    Delusional.

  983. Chris ✓ᴷᵐᵉˡᵉ ᶠᵒˢᵗᵉʳ ²⁰²⁰ Avatar
    Chris ✓ᴷᵐᵉˡᵉ ᶠᵒˢᵗᵉʳ ²⁰²⁰

    This report clearly overlooks physics, economics, behavioral patterns, infrastructure, and everything else to predict their company is the savior.

  984. Groo Avatar
    Groo

    Good luck with that. I’ll not be giving up my personal transportation…

  985. Bob LeGlob Avatar
    Bob LeGlob

    No no no. Another avenue of control over when and where I want to go? Fuck off.

  986. lan Avatar
    lan

    Enjoy your brain dead city life

  987. Abroche Su Cinturon Avatar
    Abroche Su Cinturon

    Oh sure…and we’ll all go for FREE!

    Or least as far as someone else’s money will yet again tote us until it’s all gone.

  988. John Avatar
    John

    Google The Last Chase. Old eco-freak idea.

  989. Striker Avatar
    Striker

    they wanna get rid of Cars and Cash , the tech has nothing to do with it , siliCon Valley

  990. Striker Avatar
    Striker

    Americans love their Gasoline Cars and Rock n Roll , wont ever change

  991. Colt Avatar
    Colt

    Yeah ok. (rolls eyes).

    1. CheeseFromHell Avatar
      CheeseFromHell

      Semper Fi

  992. internetsoncomputersnow Avatar
    internetsoncomputersnow

    yeah, right. Weren’t we supposed to have flying cars and the coasts be underwater by now?

  993. Rlee Avatar
    Rlee

    That’s what they said when I was in 5th grade. 35 years ago. Great prediction bro.

  994. Liberty_fights Avatar
    Liberty_fights

    I will not be surrendering my freedoms to on-demand, monitored, and tracked autonomous vehicles owned by an insidious corporation like Google, Microsoft, or Apple.

  995. Bill Tippit Jr. Avatar
    Bill Tippit Jr.

    This is the biggest pile of garbage ever written. This could only work some place like New York City. Few there own cars and are already conditioned to public transportation. It will never work in the south and west. Cities are to big and most destinations to far apart. People identify with there car and enjoy the freedom of going out of the cities on a regular basis. People also like for there cars, trucks, and SUV’s to be able to move and carry large items. They are also used to drive long distances on vacation or work trips. How are you puny electric cars going to do that? Pure junk!

  996. John Crane Avatar
    John Crane

    In the ’60’s, we were all supposed to getting around using jet packs strapped to our backs by the year 2000. We see how those predictions went. I have no doubt California, NYC and a few other leftist enclaves (Portland, Seattle) will attempt to outlaw non-electric ICE vehicles in order to achieve this utopia, because mandates are their only weapon against choice. Everywhere else….not a chance.

  997. DTH Avatar
    DTH

    This will only happen if it is forced upon us by our own government.

    1. Bertie Avatar
      Bertie

      They’ll get my truck when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

  998. Bertie Avatar
    Bertie

    This won’t ever happen for those of us with more than half a brain, because we refuse to live in the urban cesspools. Those of us who value self reliance and self sufficiency will never live in those hell holes and will always need trucks.

  999. cntrlfrk Avatar
    cntrlfrk

    .
    If you like your car, you can keep your car….

    ..

  1000. Freedom? Avatar
    Freedom?

    Nope. I’ll NEVER give up my vehicle.

  1001. Jay Santos Avatar
    Jay Santos

    Total left wing libtarded sustainable organic BULLSHIT!!!!!!

  1002. Cal_Grimalkin Avatar
    Cal_Grimalkin

    Popular science and popular Mechanics magazines have been promising flying cars were right around the corner going back as far back as the early 1900’s. And there have been successful prototypes going back as 1917…… And each time a new prototype emerges we get the same promise, within a few years, everybody will have flying cars………. Aint gonna happen, and this silly automated free electric car service aint gonna happen either………..

    1917
    The Model 11 Autoplane debuts at New York’s Pan-American Aeronautic Exposition. No record that it flew exists.

    1921
    The Tampier Roadable biplane lands at the Paris Air Salon and takes a 2-hour, 25-km/h drive in the city.
    1938
    Robert A Heinlein’s For Us, The Living: A Comedy of Customs includes ovoid flying vehicles with wings and helicopter rotors.
    1947
    Henry Dreyfuss’s ConvAirCar – a glass fibre-bodied automobile with a wing-and-propeller module attached to the roof – crashes during a test flight. The fatal wreck also kills the car’s prospects for production.
    1953
    Leland Bryan of Buick flies his Autoplane, which is powered by a rear propeller while driving and flying. Bryan dies in 1974 when he crashes a version of it at an air show.
    1973
    Henry Smolinski mates a Ford Pinto with a Cessna Skymaster – and dies in a test-flight crash along with pilot Harold Blake.
    1982
    In the dystopian film Blade Runner, oppressive police patrol aloft in vehicles called Spinners.
    2009
    PopMech gives a Breakthrough Award to the Maverick, a flying dune buggy that delivers medicine to remote areas.
    2011
    The first flight of the M400X Skycar is scuttled; it’s another­ miscue by inventor Paul Moller, who has been trying to get a car airborne since the 1970s.
    2012
    The Terrafugia Transition “street legal” plane completes its first test flight in upstate New York.
    Related material

  1003. William Gary Brand Avatar
    William Gary Brand

    Without the private car most sunbelt cities such as Houston become unlivable. Ideas of a proper city based on transport towns like NYC will not work in Suburbs. The decision to make cars too expensive to own may bring back the horse.

    1. Bertie Avatar
      Bertie

      Then we’ll build our own.

  1004. Derbydoll Avatar
    Derbydoll

    Sounds like a liberal wet dream to me.

  1005. LoneStar Avatar

    Bet they believe in climate catastrophe also!

  1006. RJenIL Avatar
    RJenIL

    Will I have to give up my personal vehicle that flies, floats and drives?

  1007. Dante Matterson Avatar
    Dante Matterson

    New game for the american hunter…..the headless vehicle

  1008. Psu307mk2 Avatar
    Psu307mk2

    This is truly the plan, they will restrict travel to where you can never escape the prison cities, they will have the same people living in coffin apartments. A managed society where no one talks to anybody and everyone has a screen on their face living in an alternate world.

  1009. malonetax Avatar
    malonetax

    This article has more BS than a barn. Gas cars have 350 moving parts not 2000, Electric cars have 150 moving parts. And the battery improvement is not there and it will take a drastic improvement over todays technology to only replace the batteries once. In the mid 1960’s they told us that we would have automated cars by 1980. Well that still hasn’t happened and is 2017. Yes we have a few prototypes but there are some serious issues yet to be worked out.

    I fail to see the 10x improvement as electric cars are more expensive than gas propelled cars and you have to replace the batteries every 4 or 5 years at a cost of up to $10k.

  1010. Andrew P. Avatar
    Andrew P.

    This Tony Seba was right on the spread of solar? Is that so? I’m reading Germany is backing out of solar because they couldn’t afford the subsidies. And oil and gas obsolete in 13 years? Except for Seba, who’s willing to bet money on it?

  1011. John Smith Avatar
    John Smith

    This is Globalist propaganda. Screw them and their automated cars dictating when, where, and how we can travel. The best thing we can do is boycott this Uber/Goober crap and support companies who don’t need government dollars to survive. The free market will decide what transportation is available, not the government. I’d never step foot in a computer controlled car or train, having seen the EASE at which these vehicles can be taken over and SMASHED at high rates of speed by a 16 year old in mom’s basement. Give that kind of power to a govt official, or a foreign enemy and these loons will have us all killed in an afternoon’s commute. Can you imagine the U.S. economy coming to a COMPLETE STOP one day, because these automated vehicles get taken over by a virus or hacker?

    People who sheepishly follow the words of these globalist technocrats, will wind up with their eyeballs splatter into the metal of the death trap coffin they’ve place themselves in. Automated mass travel = automated mass casualty.

  1012. SnakeUSMC Avatar
    SnakeUSMC

    They made a vast error when attempting to write their story. NO where was it stated by then we would be Underwater because of the HORRID GLOBAL WARMING which is killing cockroaches by the millions. Oh pity the cockroaches

    1. Just Another Guy ✓ ✓ ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ Avatar

      Cockroaches cause global WTF. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it because, you know, it is a claim without any substantiation, just like that whole “man caused” B.S. religion of population control.

      1. SnakeUSMC Avatar
        SnakeUSMC

        Yes yes yes, and as Pasture of da chuch of da heavys bucks, we noses cockroaches cauze glibbel warming. They moves so fast day makes lots of heet. Youse kan kontrel puplations with da WHIP!

        Pasture of da chuch of da heavys bucks fur $29.95 a momth we garintee salvation. Ans ifin youse don’t gits it whens you DIE, whens you be dead, yous kan coms backs fur a full refund. An ifin yous dos we be a singging HARDLY NEW YA!

  1013. Just Another Guy ✓ ✓ ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ Avatar

    Well,
    Those in the big cities who never had the freedom of car ownership. Who rely on the government to provide subsidized travel for them on an iffy schedule.

    But those of us who enjoy the open road. To whom it isn’t about getting from point A and point B but instead is about a journey without any points.

    Delusional. Next he’ll be telling us about how the sea levels are rising and that NYC is the next Atlantis or something..

  1014. Mary Keys Avatar
    Mary Keys

    Agenda 21 happening here and now….

  1015. John Karpiscak Avatar
    John Karpiscak

    Are these autonomous vehicles going to be available for cross country trips like vacations to Disney World?

  1016. Michael Avatar
    Michael

    ‘Lectric cars on blocks in the hood with the batteries missing ????

  1017. The Man from Scene 24 Avatar
    The Man from Scene 24

    What a great idea, hand over even more of your personal independence to big business. and to big government, what could possibly go wrong?

  1018. Michael Avatar
    Michael

    Central Planning Kar Kontrol will only take leftists voters to the polling place.

  1019. Contrarian Avatar
    Contrarian

    These Socialists dreams are always this Libertarians nightmare.

  1020. TVEXECUTIVE Avatar

    Anyone who beleives this, voted for Hillary Clinton.

  1021. Liberty_fights Avatar
    Liberty_fights

    The only people that believe this are the leftist indoctrinated millennial snowflakes conditioned for mediocrity by the Socialist elite.

    1. Thunder Lizard Avatar
      Thunder Lizard

      It will be a clean, green utopian world and unicorns will be farting rainbows.

  1022. alistz Avatar
    alistz

    I wonder if the replicator will be centrally located delivering our groceries by drones, or will we each have our own?

  1023. Jay Freidman Avatar
    Jay Freidman

    Molon labe (for all my vehicles) – Fuel may become more expensive, but there is more oil underground than we thought 100 years ago…and, what else are you going to do with it? Use it cleanly, of course, but use it. We have plenty until we invent the transporter…

  1024. Liberum1776 Avatar
    Liberum1776

    I saw this story and immediately thought “WOW MAN! That would be so cool.” Then I started to actually THINK (no I was not smoking a Dubbie)…the problem is the generations of Americans are interested in being mobile. To do what they want, when they want. I think the same could have been said about Taxi’s 70 or 90 years ago: “With this new system of transport, you won’t have to own a car!!!’. Then about 40 to 50 years ago it was the “government mass transit system is going to change the way we drive and people will find they don’t need a car anymore”. Then, 10 years or so ago…Segway is going to change how cities are built. All this and $10 will get you a cup of coffee at your local Starbucks (who the heck would pay that much for coffee…that is ridiculous. And yet, people are paying $8-$10 for that junk). Idiots who believe this crap are to blind by their own religion (environmentalism) that they just can see the truth.

  1025. Cankles Avatar
    Cankles

    Government is the greediest, most corrupt and murderous force on Earth.

    It’s not even debatable.

    Everything government touches becomes astronomically expensive.

    Besides which, we already had the exact scenario portrayed in this article.

    Streetcars used to run on every city in the country. They were owned by the electric companies, and they were cheap because the electric companies powered them with their excess capacity. Then the DC oligarchs decided to hit them with antitrust actions to force the streetcar lines out of business so General Motors could sell their horseless carriages and Standard Oil could sell gas to run them.

  1026. Duncan Avatar
    Duncan

    Bull shit

  1027. Boogie Avatar
    Boogie

    Agenda 21 propaganda.

  1028. eric Avatar
    eric

    Self driving cars NO ,a man buys a car to drive, idiots, take your left wing lets save the world bullshit and put it where the sun don,t shine

  1029. Not Chicken Little Avatar
    Not Chicken Little

    “Lead consultant and co-author Tony Seba, who specialises in disruptive technologies. His early forecasts for the enormous uptake of solar where (sic) considered crazy, but were proved right, and he has since said that new technologies will make coal, oil and gas all but redundant by 2030).”

    Are you kidding me? On what planet is this where there’s been an “enormous uptake of solar…”? Just FYI that’s still considered crazy. These people live not in this Universe, but in the Looneyverse.

  1030. Squaw Llywood Avatar
    Squaw Llywood

    Too funny. Reminds me of the prophecy of flying cars. In the end, people realized that the skies would be raining metal. So went the flying car.

  1031. JohnnyFreakinSunshine Avatar
    JohnnyFreakinSunshine

    This will not happen for several reasons. The demand for rides will far exceed the supply and produce serious shortages. Also people like to hop in their cars and go. They won’t want to wait every time they need/want a ride somewhere.

  1032. Martie Sweeney Avatar
    Martie Sweeney

    El bull shat O’.

  1033. Clown on Patrol Avatar
    Clown on Patrol

    Once again ahead of my time by decades…Giving up cars is easy ..there is always someone else unable to afford the minimum monthly and or fuel money …

    ” Hey Susan …want some fuel money for your behind on payments hummer ? ”

    And now I get to ride Susan’s hummer…

  1034. leadersfollowers Avatar
    leadersfollowers

    By 2030 the dollar will be so inflated that we’ll all own bikes.

  1035. 19April1775 Avatar
    19April1775

    Keep dreaming morons.

  1036. Eddie P Elfman Avatar
    Eddie P Elfman

    Sorry, but American’s love CHEESBURGERS, GUNS, and CARS !!!

  1037. ServosT Avatar
    ServosT

    Look at the blue parts of the US electoral map, those will have your self driving cars on demand. The red areas will have people who will drive their own cars.

  1038. CheeseFromHell Avatar
    CheeseFromHell

    Yuk Yuk Yuk!

  1039. Finkin79 . Avatar
    Finkin79 .

    To be fair this is only the second or third dumbest article I’ve ever read….

    Still pretty dumb though.

  1040. Darth Roach Avatar
    Darth Roach

    This is why “think tanks” need to get out of major cities. For those small blue spots in the country, this idea –could– work…kinda.

    Anywhere else it is laughable and beyond idiotic..

  1041. Wilbur Stakler Avatar
    Wilbur Stakler

    bull shit come and make me ass holes

  1042. Worldsinmind Avatar
    Worldsinmind

    Bull!

  1043. The Owl Guy Avatar
    The Owl Guy

    Sounds like libtarded commie dreams.

  1044. RE Avatar
    RE

    More liberal horseshit

  1045. Rosie Rebel Avatar
    Rosie Rebel

    The Liberals don’t want people to own cars because they want to herd us all back into the big cities where they can control us easier.

  1046. seescaper Avatar
    seescaper

    I won’t own a car. But I WILL own my own private Saucer.

    1. Nunya Bidness Avatar
      Nunya Bidness

      Yes, that’s what I’m still waiting for. We were assured 50 years ago that would be the case by year 2000.

  1047. Robert Brown Avatar
    Robert Brown

    A bunch of B.S. This must have been done by some single, millennial “kid” whose highlight of the day is showing off their newest iPhone at starbucks while they check their man bun in a compact. Wait till they grow up and start having to deal with getting their family places. Try getting your kids somewhere, anywhere with a call as you need it service. What, no cars available to take my kids to the school play because a concert is in town? How about all the people that live in most of America, ie., not in a city, and they need to travel 10 or 20 miles to the grocery store.
    This is as crazy as the people that think high speed rails will eliminate the need for vehicles. They always forget you can’t plow fields with a train and most of America survives and thrives without any interaction with cities that high speed rails would service. And I didn’t even go into the personal freedom that comes with having ones own vehicle. But perhaps the people at Rethinkx don’t understand personal freedom yet because they are still living in their parents basements?

  1048. Mongo_the_GoofyBastard Avatar
    Mongo_the_GoofyBastard

    Leftist communists hate car ownership so we get nonsense propaganda like this article. I own a car and a motorcycle and will never give up either one.

  1049. TXGunner1 Avatar
    TXGunner1

    Didn’t I hear in 1975 that there would be no cars in 2000? Right.

  1050. Jake Manchester Avatar
    Jake Manchester

    I’m gonna give up my Hemi powered Ram Crew Cab for a “free ride in a Prius after buying a $4.50 latte?

    These leftists are INSANE

  1051. pookiee68 Avatar
    pookiee68

    Come and take it, you communist bastards. You’ll only get my keys from my cold, dead fingers.

  1052. Perry Avatar
    Perry

    Just today, another solar company declared itself insolvent, mumbling something about disappearing gubmint tax credits and Chinese competition. Fossil fuel continues to remain the most economical and reliable way to recharge an electric car.

  1053. Jugears Soetero Avatar
    Jugears Soetero

    I WILL NEVER ride in these things, they’re little personal subways and it’s all a GREEN CON… to ‘save the planet’… once they figure out a way to make electricity from nothing… but air and sun.. never happen. This is all wishful liberal ‘mooooving the herd’ to their way of life.. NOT.. I will never not have a car. Not in this life.

  1054. J. C. Smith Avatar
    J. C. Smith

    This is just foolish. I don’t live in a city. Where the heck will my robot car come from? Whoever wrote this has more imagination than sense.

    1. Nunya Bidness Avatar
      Nunya Bidness

      There would have few roving the county. Wait your turn.

  1055. ironage Avatar
    ironage

    This may eventually happen…but not in the next 13 years. That’s just silly.

  1056. LS650 Avatar
    LS650

    A lot of comments dismissing this, but with some sadness, I can see this happening. I love driving my car and riding my motorcycle – but younger folks today, for the most part, just don’t want a car.

    When I graduated from high school back in the 80s, getting your driver’s licence was a rite of passage; every kid was eager to get a licence and a car. They were a passage to freedom and independence.

    We have co-op students coming to work at my company who are in their early 20s, and have never driven a car – and what’s more, have no interest. I have one co-worker who broke down and got his licence at the age of 30 (!) – only because he and his wife have kids that need rides! Frankly it just seems foreign and weird to me – what red-blooded adult doesn’t like driving a car down the open road? And yet, today’s kids, sadly, just are not interested.

    1. ironage Avatar
      ironage

      That’s because they actually have to lift their eyes up to watch the road….instead of their smartphone.

    2. DallasTexas Avatar
      DallasTexas

      Where do you live? That anactdotal claim isn’t close to true in the united States. Millennials and Xers drive, almost none don’t. Those that don’t give reason that they can’t afford it. The overwhelming majority of people in the US that can afford to own and drive a car do so. The rest wish they could or are in the tiny segment that likes public transportation.

      1. LS650 Avatar
        LS650

        Near Seattle. Maybe Texas is different.

        1. DallasTexas Avatar
          DallasTexas

          True Seattle is very different than the rest of the United States, not good to draw conclusions based on that tiny oddball corner of our nation. BTW my nieces and nephews in Seattle have all obtained their drivers licenses and own cars by 16 years old. As much as it rains there I’d hate to be one of the “walkability” proponents or “bike everywhere” hipsters.

          1. LS650 Avatar
            LS650

            We’re both on the same side of this debate, then.

  1057. Nunya Bidness Avatar
    Nunya Bidness

    I’m still waiting for my flying car they told me 50 years ago I would have by now.

  1058. Kerry O'Brien Avatar
    Kerry O’Brien

    Now even your car trips will be fully tracked.

  1059. JD3 Avatar
    JD3

    The author just happens to run a company that focuses on green/renewable energy. SHOCK! Oh, and he is Australian telling us in the Heartland of America how our lives will be in 13 years.

  1060. loveamerica24 Avatar
    loveamerica24

    What will them Dems in California do? The Tax Me More State needs your money and cars are one way they get it, big time.

  1061. FlyntLoc Avatar
    FlyntLoc

    We now return control of your television set to you…..

  1062. Xbillion Avatar
    Xbillion

    The Globohomo Elites will make you insert a drive sti
    ck up your bum to start the vehicle. That’s your future sheeple. And you’ll take it.

  1063. Larry Avatar
    Larry

    Take my freedom please. BS I won’t get in one. Not going to fall for this BS

  1064. Gina Armstrong Avatar
    Gina Armstrong

    This person’s map of the US includes only Manhattan. “Hey, I just bought a latte; so, get out here and give me a ride to the co-op for a ton of feed. It’s only a 60 mile round trip. Might take multiple trips in your Prius.”

  1065. Hellno Kitty Avatar
    Hellno Kitty

    Whatever. I intend to drive my Corvette for the next sixty or seventy years.

  1066. Dan Eff Avatar
    Dan Eff

    Don’t hold your breath waiting for all the Americans to give up their personal automobiles which they drive themselves. Never going to happen.

  1067. Brian Avatar
    Brian

    I was just thinking of this. Image a monthly fee to use any vehicle you chose. No more insurance or payments or maintenance, drivers license ,etc. You always have the latest tech and no more time spent parking or walking to your car in a giant parking lot. However there will still be those who want enjoy driving the free roads.

    1. paulinpittsburgh Avatar
      paulinpittsburgh

      It has little to do with desire or enjoyment, that model you suggest simply doesn’t work for the vast majority of drivers who live outside of densely populated urban centers.

      Look at how many tens of millions of motorcycles, RVs, boats and other vehicles that utilize trailers there are in existence … first week this month it was slow Friday so I took half a day, stopped by Sam’s Club on my way home and loaded up the coolers in my truck. Went home and put the dirt bikes in the bed of my truck and hooked up the camper to the wife’s SUV. Just on a whim we drove two and a half hours to our property on the WV PA border and spent the weekend shooting, riding and fishing.

      Google’s electric crap-box car sharing idea simply are a non-starter for us or any of the rest of people who don’t live in cities.

  1068. Thetruthhurtsbad1984 Avatar
    Thetruthhurtsbad1984

    It will be a longer,..much longer time, if at all I think,.. cars have and still are an extension of most American’s self image,..even a rust bucket,….getting into a cab or bus or even a rental is a distasteful usually temporary necessity for most of us,…this article sounds more like P.C. wishful thinking. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0a88e4e3111a52f187d303f7c8e0ca8f3f5d8ef76cda83095693229d55381d78.jpg

  1069. Even More Importantly Avatar
    Even More Importantly

    If you think you’re getting a latte for $4.50 after 99% of the manufacturing sector is laidoff in 13 years, you’re dreaming – it’d likely be a few thousand dollars due to rampant inflation. And when the US ceases to be dependent on Saudi oil, Saudi investment goes with it and the stock market collapses as the USD also ceases to be the world reserve currency.

  1070. Cliff Forbes Avatar
    Cliff Forbes

    The ability to control human travel, a leftist dream.

  1071. Texcentric Avatar
    Texcentric

    I couldn’t help but notice that in the projected cost of maintenance that they didn’t figure in the cost of repairing the vandalism that is going to be applied to these fleets of vehicles. Graffiti artists will be in Heaven. Not to mention the wear & tear & vandalism to the interior. They will likely look like the inside of a public restroom stall. Happy motoring.

  1072. chris Avatar
    chris

    Theoretically, this technology could be abused. Say you had an insane dictator like Kim Jong Un in control of this system, well, he could program it to create a lot of “accidents” for instance. Anyone he didn’t like could come to an untimely end in these computer controlled death traps.

  1073. Robert Comerford Avatar
    Robert Comerford

    Talk about a bunch of loonies turning up to comment on here for the first time.
    This article must really threaten their macho image of themselves.
    I do wonder if Tony’s timeframe is a little too optimistic but in big cities it might well become an option sooner than later for daily commutes.
    The times I worked in big cities using my car was a pain. It was usually easier to walk or use public transport. The more options the better. I didn’t feel my manhood was threatened using the bus or train. :>)
    I doubt I would want to give up my car entirely, for some uses no other option would be as convenient. Back living in the bush a car is a necessity.
    It is however noticeable that many city youth have not been brainwashed into believing car ownership is a status symbol like previous generations. Their latest tech gadget replaces it.

  1074. capitalistpig2 Avatar
    capitalistpig2

    They told us in the 60’s that highways would not need to be paved by 2000. Our cars would hover and tires would be extinct.

  1075. Adam Smith Avatar
    Adam Smith

    Hey Giles, did you get syndicated to the US market on this? Did you read the article “Rethinking Transportation 2020-2030”, the Canberra Times covering Stanford University economist Tony Seba’s claims?

  1076. Mark Smith Avatar
    Mark Smith

    I’m still waiting for the super train from Los Angeles to Las Vegas!

    1. paulinpittsburgh Avatar
      paulinpittsburgh

      Maglev, any day now, any day.

  1077. American1791 Avatar
    American1791

    This is rediculous article. The billions spent on driverless vehicles could be put to much better use like medicine. Physically driving is the fun of owning a car or truck. Driverless may work in New Yak City but here in the desert it’s useless.

    1. LB1982 Avatar
      LB1982

      Few people live in the desert.

      1. American1791 Avatar
        American1791

        Get out much?

        1. paulinpittsburgh Avatar
          paulinpittsburgh

          No he doesn’t and neither do the rest of the stoop-dwellers who think this idea is going to take off because they can’t conceive that most people don’t use or think of their vehicles in they same limited way they do.

  1078. REALIST Avatar
    REALIST

    You’ll get my oil running car when you pry my cold dead fingers off the ignition key.

  1079. REALIST Avatar
    REALIST

    Good luck letting one of these cars drive into Detroit, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Memphis, Salem, New Orleans, Compton, Newark, Liberty City, Nashville, Richmond, etc.

    It will be easy to steal these cars, bust them for parts, etc, or just vandalize them for fun.

  1080. LB1982 Avatar
    LB1982

    This is so revolutionary most people are not even able to imagine it!

  1081. fishydude Avatar
    fishydude

    Typical of liberal left wing city dwellers. Hates those who actually enjoy liberty and the independence of going where we want when we want. This type can be found in any major city in any country. They don’t mind being trapped in a city and controlled by the government. And ‘autonomous’ cars are controlled will be controlled by the government.
    The majority of those living in NYC don’t own cars and ave never been anywhere outside the city. They think that because they don’t need a car that nobody should be allowed to have one. They also think everyone must be forced to live in a city. After all, it is much easier to control people through fear in a city.
    City living is also good for the psychotherapy industry as it induces all manner of psychosis including claustrophobia.
    Cities have the highest violent crime and murder rates per capita as well. So the city dwellers naturally think that legally owned guns are the problem, not criminals.

  1082. Rivenburg Avatar
    Rivenburg

    Another “electric cars don’t need fuel” idiot. where does this jerkoff think the electricity to charge these is coming from?

    1. Fool_Killer Avatar
      Fool_Killer

      I’m thrilled with the idea of electric cars.
      I can’t wait to start teaching liberals how to “siphon” electricity.

      (Now you put this end of the cable in your mouth…)

      1. Rivenburg Avatar
        Rivenburg

        Id pay to see it.

  1083. Terrence Jeffrey Johnson Avatar
    Terrence Jeffrey Johnson

    Like hell. No way do I EVER give up my freedom to go where I want when I want..No way do I ever let any computer drive me. Oh…and no way do I ever sell my two restored/tricked out early 70’s muscle cars that guzzle high test gas and spew carbon exhaust into the air. Screw these idiots that wrote this. They’re the kind of wimpy nerds I used to beat up and push into lockers in high school.

  1084. gfw88 Avatar
    gfw88

    Well, his mama drives him everywhere so from his standpoint this is pretty on target.

  1085. Mark Roest Avatar
    Mark Roest

    Looks like nothing but identity politics in this thread.

  1086. EREKCIA_MRTVOLNEHO_CHLADUCRIEV Avatar
    EREKCIA_MRTVOLNEHO_CHLADUCRIEV

    Idiots liberals should stop writing this kind of bullshit articles.

  1087. Julie Garner Avatar
    Julie Garner

    I’ll be back to riding horses LOL…

    i want to use this medium to look for a business partner
    I need someone whom I can invest in his/her business. I have equity capital for profitable investment.
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  1088. Marshall Silvera Avatar
    Marshall Silvera

    OMG science is not a favorite subject of many of these people commenting

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