We need to talk about wind energy: Getting beyond the noise about turbines

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Young mother’s journey from silence to speaking up for wind energy highlights importance of open, honest communication in regional wind communities, without fear or manipulation.

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Wind farm country is regional Australia. Regional communities are often small and closely knit with a fabric that goes back generations as well as new threads. When local people are subjected to misinformation about the risks of wind farms, the anxiety, divisions and mistrust that follow threatens the fabric that holds these communities together.

Dimity Taylor, young mother of three and neighbour to Gullen Range Wind Farm near Goulburn is in touch with the consequences to communities of wind farm controversy. She has watched with awe the building of the turbines within 1.7 km of her home and also with sadness as her community becomes a battleground of wind politics.

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Gullen Range wind farm

The behaviour that worries her most is silence. She sees the majority in her community speaking their support in whispers to avoid coming under fire from wind farm opponents, some with significant political influence. This pressure is tolerable in the short term but in the long term threatens to suck the courage, diversity and hope out of regional communities.

On June 11, Dimity – also a member of the Australian Wind Alliance (AWA) – decided to give voice to her perceptions at a NSW Planning & Assessment Commission hearing convened to consider site modifications at Gullen Range Wind farm. Dimity wanted to stand up for wind energy but also for the right of regional communities to express diverse opinions and negotiate new opportunities for wind farms without fear and manipulation.

I look at those turbines and I feel quite conflicted, because I know that although I am happy to have the turbines so close to my home, some of my friends and neighbours do not feel the same way about the wind farm. Some of them feel their lives have been hugely adversely impacted by them. But it seems strange to me that those of us who do not mind, or even like the wind farm feel we have to talk in hushed tones about our enjoyment of its benefits, while those who do not like it seem to have a much louder voice. One of the reasons it terrifies me to get up here and speak is because I do not want to offend my friends and neighbors who don’t like the turbines, but I would feel I am letting those who are not offended by them down if I do not speak. (See Dimity’s full speech below.)

Dimity’s courage to move from silence to speaking up for wind communities inspired a strong show of support from local business people, farmers and individuals in the Goulburn/Crookwell region who turned out to hear her speak.

Responses to Dimity’s stand have been largely positive even from neighbours who are uncomfortable with wind farms. It seems that her speech struck a chord with many who value community more than discord.

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Dimity Taylor (front row, second from right) with other local wind farm supporters, including farmers and business owners

However Dimity and others in wind regions continue to experience personal attacks. Misinformation is still being spread. It is troubling that in Australia today it is so hard to stand up for the values of honesty, trust, respect and diversity as we negotiate the benefits and challenges of wind farms.

If wind communities are to heal from prolonged controversy and take back control of their civic life then we need people like Dimity Taylor. They remind us that our communities are places where we rub shoulders and pull up our sleeves. At their best they are places where people live and work alongside each other and should not have to speak in whispers. They are places where people should be free to get involved in building the future and to leave the best legacy for those who will inherit them.

Mhairi Fraser is the NSW organiser of the Australian Wind Alliance

 

The Commissioners

The Planning Assessment Commission

NSW Department of Planning

Re: Gullen Range Wind Farm Modification 1

11th June, 2015

Dear Commissioners,

It terrifies me to stand up here.  Partly because I am not used to public speaking, but mainly because I fear I am not going to get a fair hearing from the audience, and because I fear offending friends and neighbours who may have a different view to me. So please, I ask you all to hear me out, even though you may not agree with what I say.  I mean no offence. I am just taking the opportunity to speak from my own experience.  

I am speaking today as a member of the Australian Wind Alliance, but also as a community member and very close neighbour of the Gullen Range Wind Farm.  For transparency sake, I must also declare that my in-laws are one of the hosts to the Gullen Range Windfarm.

I am a member of the Australian Wind Alliance because I want to be a part of a collective voice that supports the development of wind energy projects that are done well.  We, the Australian Wind Alliance, are supportive of wind energy projects that communicate effectively with the community they are built in, and adhere to sound principals that ensure the entire community is able to genuinely benefit from the project.  The Gullen Range Wind Farm has been far from ideal in many of these aspects, but it is my hope that we can make the most of all the great benefits the wind farm does bring to our community, and support other future project elsewhere to be done in a better way.

Wind energy is an important part of what I believe to be a necessary and inevitable shift towards renewable energy in Australia and worldwide.  Each wind project that is built is part of the ongoing process of research and development that is leading us towards better and more efficient technology. Throughout the world wind energy is playing a big part in the shift from outdated fossil fuel technology to clean renewable energy. I feel really happy to live in a region that is part of this energy transformation.

I moved to Bannister 5 years ago and I feel so lucky that I have moved into such a welcoming and positive community.   When I moved here planning for the Gullen Range wind farm was already well under way.  Knowing that, I and my family chose to buy property and live 1.7km from turbines, and are happily raising our 3 children there.  

I have watched with awe as the turbines have gone up and now majestically turn on the horizons surrounding us. I enjoy conversations with my 3 small children about how the wind turbines are producing electricity from the wind, and how much cleaner that is than making electricity from coal, gas or uranium.  Occasionally I hear the turbines, but as I reflect on these positive aspects, I do not find the noise offensive. I sleep as well as 3 small children will let me, and those children sleep a lot better than many children I know of that live nowhere near wind turbines.

I am also heartened that the turbines are having a financial benefit to our local community in regards to employment during the construction phase, as well as the ongoing maintenance, road works and tree planting, of which I am looking forward to being the recipient of.  There will also be further employment as the community enhancement projects start to roll out.  We are definitely looking forward to having solar panels on our own roof as part of that scheme.

It is also heartening to me that the wind farm is helping to support family owned farms stay as just that.  It’s tough making a living from the land, but it is important that such productive land as ours continues to produce the food and fibre we need.  Wind farms are one options to help boost income from the land without reducing its productivity.

It should be mandatory however for wind energy companies to utilize proximity rent models so the financial benefits of wind farms can be spread more widely and fairly throughout the community.  Effective community engagement models should also be mandatory in future developments, so that the projects can have an even better impact on the communities they are built within.

I look at those turbines and I feel quite conflicted, because I know that although I am happy to have the turbines so close to my home, some of my friends and neighbours do not feel the same way about the wind farm.  Some of them feel their lives have been hugely adversely impacted by them.  But it seems strange to me that those of us who do not mind, or even like the wind farm feel we have to talk in hushed tones about our enjoyment of its benefits, while those who do not like it seem to have a much louder voice.  As I mentioned to begin with, one of the reasons it terrifies me to get up here and speak is because I do not want to offend my friends and neighbors who don’t like the turbines, but I would feel I am letting those who are not offended by them down if I do not speak.

But let’s get to the point about these modifications.

I support the recommendation from the NSW Planning Department that the proposed modifications should be approved.  The original proposal stated that minor alterations to the originally specified positions of the towers would be accepted.  

In my opinion, a difference of 150m is indeed a minor alteration in position and will have very minimal impact on the overall experience of the turbines by those living close to them.  Most of the turbines have been shifted by far less than 150m.

I live 1.7km from the closest turbine, and I am sure that if any of those turbines were 150m closer, further away, left or right, there would be no real change in our experience of them in regards to visual changes, noise, flicker, or health effects, of which we experience none.  

I also understand that the reality of the geology or habitat that is found on site is often significantly different to what was expected during the planning process and hence necessitates these minor movements.  If moving a turbine by 150m saves a stack of trees being cut down, then I am all for it.

I am also convinced from the Department’s recommendations that the impacts on biodiversity, traffic, aviation and telecommunications have all been sufficiently considered and will not be significantly impacted by these minor changes in position of 9 turbines.

I do however think that a specific distance of how far the turbines can be moved without explicit permission should be set for future developments to avoid confusion and conflict. Communication about these changes could have also been much better handled to avoid this conflict.

I know there will be some very loud voices in this room who will not agree with my position, and they are very well entitled to that opinion.  But, in agreement with Mhairi Fraser’s comments at the Crookwell 3 PAC, I am surprised by how few community members and neighbours of the wind farm are actually significantly concerned by the turbines, lesser still by these minor alterations.  

What I am concerned about, is the division and the controversy.  That is what I want to go away, not the wind turbines. My speaking here today is largely in the hope that it will give some volume to those voices who want to use electricity, but don’t want to destroy the planet by doing so.  My hope is that the collective effort of a few small voices can help start to heal the hurts in our community so we can thrive on what is great about where we live, rather than bonding over things we don’t like.

I look out on the landscape from my home and I see an already highly altered environment.  I see roads.  I see land that has been cut up into paddocks with fences.  I see trees in straight lines.  I see a vast number of foreign animals, such as sheep and cows and horses.  I see houses with their gardens full of exotic plants.  That landscape to me is already anything but natural.  I use electricity, and I plan to keep on using it, so if Australia needs somewhere to make it in a way that isn’t going to create the pollution of fossil fuels, I am more than happy for it to be in my back yard.

Thank you.

Dimity Taylor

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70 Comments
  1. Alan S 4 years ago

    It’s easy to say friends and neighbours are misguided and therefore not worth bothering about but you can’t do that in small communities – nor would want to anywhere. Arguing with wind opponents is like herding cats – they’re all over the place. They change topic when they’re losing and dream up some really daft objections so using logical argument is difficult.
    Dimity should just continue as she’s going and show/ask for concrete evidence: How is infrasound measured? Are turbines more unsightly than transmission pylons because they move? Does anything else kill birds and how do numbers compare? How does the embodied energy payback period for wind compare with coal generation plus ongoing mining and transport? Google the web for wind mythbusting – there’s plenty of ammunition (OK, wrong word) out there.

    • Blair Donaldson 4 years ago

      Actually you can tell people they are misguided when they are regurgitating demonstrably false claims. Part of the value of the small community is its ability to handle different ideas and to find common ground. Wind farm opponents are doing their level best to divide communities and demonise anybody who disagrees with them. I live in a small community and have witnessed much of the same nonsense Dimity has had to content with. A decade later it’s all water under the bridge for everyone except a committed few who insist on denying reality. Each passing day proves how inflated and emotive of their claims really were.

      • Alastair Leith 4 years ago

        I was at a Hepburn Shire council meeting a few years ago, with the Hepburn Wind turbines long in existence and yet still some folks turned up to ask questions prefaced on one-world-government-Agenda-21-conspiracy assertions.

        • Blair Donaldson 4 years ago

          Ah yes, when reason and objectivity don’t fit with preconceptions, invoke the trusty old conspiracy theory. I’m not sure what the solution is Alistair, you can lead people to the facts but you can’t make them think sensibly for themselves. They would prefer to blame somebody or something. I don’t know what the solution is. If you figure it out, please let me know.

    • Phil Gorman 4 years ago

      Bird deaths attributable to wind turbines are a tiny fraction of those attributable to other human structures and activities.

      Feel free to add to this list:
      cats, windows, power lines, cell towers, motor vehicles, aircraft, fishing tackle, hunting, trapping, poisoning, plastic refuse, chemical agents.

      • Alastair Leith 4 years ago

        Yes Mike Barnards article on RenewEconomy is one of the best take downs online.

        https://reneweconomy.com.au/2012/want-to-save-70-million-birds-a-year-build-more-wind-farms-18274

      • Alastair Leith 4 years ago
        • Phil Gorman 4 years ago

          Thanks for the link Alastair.

          As an ex navigation officer I can also add ships to the list of bird killers, particularly at night.

          Modern ships with heavy oil engines are also among the worst emitters of greenhouse gasses and toxic particular pollutants on the planet. All those cruise liners berthed in the hearts of our cities are heavily polluting the air.

          Ships, including fishing boats and pleasure craft, also have rhythmic low frequency sound and infra-sound signatures in air as well as water, as any coastal dweller will know. These sound propagate over great distances. Even more annoying and penetrating sources of sound pollution are outboard motors and jet skis.

          Sailing vessels are also subject to bird strikes as well as creating enough air turbulence to create audible and infra sound.

          Swift streams and waves are also noisy.

          The government’s silly objections to wind farms would be laughable if they weren’t so detrimental.

  2. Les Johnston 4 years ago

    It is important that people speak as individuals rather than hide behind vested interests. The right of Dimity to express her views is essential for a healthy community. There are far too many “people” hiding behind vested interests. Exchanging opinions without fear is critical for our future. Thanks to Dimity for doing so.

  3. Michael Staindl 4 years ago

    Brilliant, and thoughtful, and brave, contribution from Dimity. (Extra)Ordinary people like you will be the saving of us Dimity.

  4. Nigel Colhoun 4 years ago

    The noise of wind farms only affects people with small brains.

    • Alastair Leith 4 years ago

      Or people whose innocence/nativity/gullibility has been prayed upon by venal vested interests. Infrasound is actually a recognised and quantifiable industrial pollution, it’s just that wind turbines make so little of it compared with so many other industrial plant equipment.

  5. Chris Fraser 4 years ago

    Very courageous and well done Dimity. In time perhaps, and to mark your courage, those who claim to be made unwell by windfarms may be able to reflect on their condition in the absence of nocebo.

  6. lin 4 years ago

    “It should be mandatory however for wind energy companies to utilize proximity rent models so the financial benefits of wind farms can be spread more widely and fairly throughout the community.”
    This is spot-on. Many countries have more sophisticated ways of compensating people around wind turbine installations than Australia does, and they seem to have much less opposition. Those “in the know” report that support or opposition seems to be related to which side of a property boundary you sit. Anything wind farm installers can do to prevent jealousy, animosity and financial inequity surrounding wind farms should be done. We will all benefit as a consequence.

  7. Blair Donaldson 4 years ago

    Three cheers for Dimity and her dignified argument.

  8. howardpatr 4 years ago

    Great submission.

    I can understand the pressure that people like the Member for Hume, Angus Taylor, and his associates such as members of “Stop these Things” and the infamous Maurice Newman can exert – with the support of the Prime Minister.

  9. George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

    Getting beyond the noise? Yes, that might involve borrowing from the pages of oppressive political regimes: stamp out the dissidents – make criminals of the victims

    • Blair Donaldson 4 years ago

      Grow up George and join the 21st-century. The lies of the anti-wind flunkies that you happily believe and rebroadcast are as transparent and vacuous as your pathetic attempts to revisit 1984. There are no victims, just a few individuals who have been led astray by the deliberate misrepresentation of facts courtesy of people like yourself, stop these things and the Waubra Foundation. It’s a pity there is no legal way to make you accountable for the damage you help to promote and intensify. If you were really concerned about the “victims” you would be spending time explaining to them why their claims are fallacious and how they have been misled by nonsense from the likes of Sarah Laurie, the Waubra Foundation et al.

      • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

        Blair, why don’t you grow and engage in mature conversation.

        • Blair Donaldson 4 years ago

          George, you’re making the mistaken assumption that you are engaging in any mature fashion. You’re really ignoring your contradictions, the science and the clear evidence that clearly shows wind turbines have no link to ill-health and that alleged detrimental health issues are psychosomatic. Your penchant for believing in woo is probably why you cannot figure out the difference between credible, scientifically supported evidence and the type of BS you subscribe to. Despite what you think, there is a clear difference.

          • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

            Personal attacks Blair – congratulations! You’re good at it.

          • Blair Donaldson 4 years ago

            Of course George, any time somebody tells you the truth, your fragile personality redefines it as a personal attack. You just cannot accept the fact the evidence does not support your cherry picked claims.

        • Alastair Leith 4 years ago

          What’s mature about failing to provide evidence for baseless assertions? Strikingly immature, not to mention running off-topic with odd rhetorical questions.

    • Phil Gorman 4 years ago

      Read the many scientific reports from around the world before you reach any conclusions about the health effects of wind farms. The symptoms described by complainants are nearly all psycho-somatic in origin, or old fashioned nimbyism leading to anger and frustration which results in other common symptoms experienced by the disgruntled.

      • Blair Donaldson 4 years ago

        George is a proponent of pseudoscience. Anything that is actually evidence-based is ignored. He even believes it’s possible for somebody to be affected as far as 70 km away from a turbine. Seriously.

        • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

          Blair, so how far do earthquakes, explosions etc register their vibrational and infrasound imprint?

          • E. David Anstee 4 years ago

            George, are you saying turbines transmit vibrations through the ground like earthquakes?

          • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

            Lots of things create ground vibrations, including mining activities, coal seam gas drilling etc. So do earthquakes. Why does one think that wind turbines don’t, and/or that the ground vibrations of wind turbines are insignificant? Have you researched how far whales can communicate through sea water?

          • E. David Anstee 4 years ago

            Lots of things do create ground vibrations, as you say, but my question is do you know that wind turbines do? Are you saying that because whales communicate long distances through water, wind turbines transmit vibrations through the ground? Maybe I’m missing something here, can you point me to a source?

          • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

            If you bothered one bit to do a little research – not much just a little – you would notice that complaints of residents around wind farms include annoying sensations of vibration.

            Whales can send messages a long way: http://natgeotv.com.au/tv/kingdom-of-the-blue-whale/blue-whales-and-communication.aspx

            Unlike huge whales, wind turbines are comparative monstrosities…

          • E. David Anstee 4 years ago

            George, It is fascinating that whales communicate such a long way under water. Do bigger whales manage to ‘shout’ further than smaller whales? So if there was a wind turbine-sized whale it could call coast to coast? Not to be distracted by cetaceans, I understand that the measurement of ground vibrations is an advanced science, you quote mining activities, detection of nuclear tests at great distances can be done using similar detection equipment. Has anyone done a little research – as you say, not much, just a little, on whether there are really measurable ground vibrations caused by wind turbines? Or are you speculating here?

          • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

            Are you playing it dumb? Humans are complaining of sleep disrupting sensations around wind farms – don’t you get that!

          • E. David Anstee 4 years ago

            Do sailors complain about not being able to sleep because of whales? I suppose if there was a really large whale, and it was close enough, then maybe the vibrations would make it difficult to sleep. Although whales are more squeaky & clicky, which would probably be more annoying than the dulcet roar of infrasound.

            I was really asking about whether there had been seismic testing for vibration from wind farms, and whether those results showed that the wind-farm vibration was more or less than a car driving nearby.

          • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

            David, does one need to test the obvious? Even when someone does the familiar cohort of deniers and trolls gets on the internet to rubbish and demolish anyone or anything that threatens the wind industry.

          • E. David Anstee 4 years ago

            George, what is obvious to some is complete rubbish to others. Some people believe Collingwood is a good team to support. Best to quote peer-reviewed consensus papers to be safe. Have there been criminal proceedings arising from this issue? Do wind turbines generate more ground vibration than cars? What have whales got to do with wind turbines?

          • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

            David, do canaries generate more noise than screeching babies? One is pleasant another anguishes…

            Do concerts generate more noise than jumbo jets? There is a place for everything in life, and that is why there are rules about the when and if.

            But for wind turbines, role the red carpet, place them next to people’s homes and then demand high quality evidence to prove that the 24 hour nuisance is driving them insane.

            You do realise that quality papers usually come once there is sufficient funding and political and social appetite for the truth?

          • Alastair Leith 4 years ago

            Are you aware there are regulations for industrial noise and they are more strictly applied to wind turbines that most industrial sources of noise. Brüel & Kjær is a company that makes the testing equipment to make sure wind farms comply. They also service mining, construction, airports, etc so presumably they have better context than you do for such comparisons.

            http://www.bksv.com/NewsEvents/Waves/Articles/2014/In%20pursuit%20of%20the%20Windsor%20Hum

          • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

            Are you aware the current noise guidelines for wind farms have proven insufficient to protect people from noise nuisance?

          • Alastair Leith 4 years ago

            “Proven” is a word that for most of us requires evidence. In fact it’s mostly used in law courts and mathematics not science. For you the bar for this word’s usage is obviously considerably lower than for public health officials.

          • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

            Alastair there is no shortage of published papers on this issue. You also want to have a look at the submissions to the recent Senate Enquiry.

          • Alastair Leith 4 years ago

            When you say published papers are you talking about News Limited rubbish or papers in peer reviewed journals? Quite a different matter depending on where you read.

          • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

            Are you playing it stupid? Sorry I can’t continue conversations with people who carry on like this!

          • Alastair Leith 4 years ago

            Show me any peer reviewed literature that says infra sound from wind turbines is an issue. Show me any peer reviewed literature that says turbines further than 350m are a noise problem. (I lived 25m from Finders Street shunting yards for 6 years so I have some personal appreciation if not strong literature knowledge of what industrial noise is like).

            Simon Chapman’s paper on the nocebo effect, suggesting psychosomatic causes of some symptoms claimed to be caused by turbines from fear mongering by anti-wind activists has not received a single critique in the literature.

            If you wish to stop your fear-mongering on this page that’s totally fine by me.

          • Blair Donaldson 4 years ago

            “Are you playing it stupid?”

            Coming from you George, that’s hilarious…

          • Blair Donaldson 4 years ago

            I can tell you from bitter experience Alastair that trying to reason with George is an exercise in futility. Any evidence you present which highlights his refusal to accept the facts will be ignored. He will distort your comments or launch off on a tangent introducing more dodgy arguments to justify his entrenched ignorance and denial.

          • E. David Anstee 4 years ago

            George, I don’t know whether canaries or babies are louder. Something a decibel meter would settle quite quickly I suspect. The good thing about canaries is that they tend not to make noise at 03:00. They also sometimes stop making noise in coal mines, which was apparently a useful leading indicator of problems. An interesting topic, but perhaps not overly pertinent to wind turbines.

            Jumbo jets and concerts do make more noise than wind turbines, and should be banned from starting within 7km of any house. Red carpet should not be extended to either, whether roled or rolled.

            I wonder if the insanity is causal or just correlated? Are you saying there are no ‘quality’ papers on wind farm vibrations? Is this because there isn’t enough money or appetite for them? Also, I’m still puzzling over your mention of criminal proceedings – have they been issued?

            pip pip

          • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

            No David, sorry to sound a little sarcastic, but there are no papers that are considered quality papers, except those written on nocebo. The rest of them are either “criticized”, “biased”, “unscientific”, “atrocious” etc. In fact if one not dared to write a paper on health effects, vibration, low frequency noise etc in the current they are guaranteed to have it rejected.

            You see David, I talk of concerts and jumbo because they are either rare or highly regulated (curfews). I talk of canaries and babies, because the quality of the noise matters and the timing.

            If you want me to show you high quality papers that prove wind turbines cause the problems people allege they do: thump thump, whoosh whoosh, from 11pm till 7am, vibrations etc. Then you need to send your enquiries elsewhere.

          • E. David Anstee 4 years ago

            Thanks George, got it, will look elsewhere. Still puzzling over the criminal issue though.

          • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

            Figure of speech my friend.

          • Colin Nicholson 4 years ago

            George .. you defeat your own argument. The tracking of underground Nuclear tests (especially those for pure fission tests) require the most sensitive apparatus to detect the minute vibrations. If the wind turbines were exhibiting the ground vibrations you state, then the background noise would prevent the detection of those tests and the N-P authorities would be up in arms. The North Koreans could simply put a thousand wind turbines around the coast, explode a 10KT nuclear device as far away from the WTs as possible and claim that it was the wind turbines and not the 10KT at all.

          • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

            And Colin do you believe that the human ear can be more sensitive than acoustic meters?

            If a whale can hear another whale thousands of kms away, what prevents the human from detecting vibrations or infrasound from a device a few kms away?

          • Colin Nicholson 4 years ago

            because one is in water

          • Alastair Leith 4 years ago

            Er, testing and documenting with data is a central part of the scientific method. Hear-say and fear mongering, well that’s not science as I’ve ever understood it.

          • Blair Donaldson 4 years ago

            That’s why whales have oil, it stops all those squeaky and clicking noises they make from vibrating themselves to death 😉

            What George fails to mention is that wind farm opponents mostly claim the noises are made primarily by the blades. So if we play George’s game for a minute, the blades make a noise which is magically transferred to the tower, into the ground, up to hundred kilometres distant, back into the air, and finally into the ears of those precious few sensitive individuals who have managed to convince themselves that infrasound is doing them in – despite the fact that higher levels of infrasound are produced by other sources nearer to them.

      • George Papadopoulos 4 years ago

        Phil such simplistic conclusions are an indication that the you haven’t read the bulk of scientific literature on this topic.

    • E. David Anstee 4 years ago

      are there criminal proceedings resulting from this? Where did you find this information George?

    • E. David Anstee 4 years ago

      George, have there been criminal proceedings issued in relation to this issue? Can you please point me to the source of your information?

  10. Jan Minck 4 years ago

    I really, really don’t get it. Paste the
    link in your browser and look at this one. Go to street view. and walk around.

    https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/52°05'57.5“N+5°06’56.0″E

    I was born and raised a few streets away. It was the gem of the
    neighborhood. In 1949 it got damaged in a storm and in the 60es the council
    wanted to demolish it but changed it’s mind after strong objections from the
    local population. Eventually it was restored in 1979 and it was turning again.
    It stopped working in 2011 because of required maintenance of it’s mechanism.
    The miller, Jan Wilten is since autumn 2014 preparing for restoration to make
    it go again to the delight of the whole neighborhood.

    https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijn_en_Zon

  11. Annie Nielsen 4 years ago

    Thank you Dimity for your courage. I spent 5 years in Crookwell in the 1980s. It was a lovely town (despite being cold). I feel very sad that the wind turbines have caused divisions. I agree with you that the neighbours should get a small payment to compensate them for being near the turbines.
    Are turbines being moved from one location to another? if so why is it happening? It seems it would be very expensive to move them.

    • Blair Donaldson 4 years ago

      “I feel very sad that the wind turbines have caused divisions. ”

      Not quite Annie, it’s the shortsighted, misguided and selfish antics of the wind farm opponents who are causing the division. Not the turbines.

      • Annie Nielsen 4 years ago

        Yes, you are right Blair, but it is still sad. I was talking to a friend I have kept in touch with, saying that there is no science that supports wind turbines causing medical problems and if neighbours received some payment they would not feel sick and she proceeded to tell me about people she knows who have headaches and other problems from the wind turbines. I don’t know if compensation will heel the divisions in the town.. They are obviously very deep.

        • wideEyedPupil 4 years ago

          does everyone who has a headache or other problems now have a wind turbine to attribute causation to?

  12. Leigh Ryan 4 years ago

    The infrasound levels from my local highway are almost double that of the average wind turbine, so which Government department do i ask for compensation, clearly according to Government statements on infrasound my family must be suffering intolerably and their health and welfare is very important to me, perhaps though if the government was to move the highway the problem could be solved.

  13. Grant Winberg 4 years ago

    It never hurts to take any opportunity to present your point of view. but I feel sad for Dimity that she believed it necessary to address the Gullen Range re-siting hearing PAC committee about her feelings of victimisation. The committee made it very clear that the speakers were to contain their presentations to the impact on residents of the unauthorised re-siting of wind turbine towers. Unfortunately, Dimity’s presentation was just another brick in the wall of community division that the Gullen Range Wind Farm has created.

    • Alastair Leith 4 years ago

      Yeah we get that this inquest is something of an inquisition, great news that you’re a stickler for it’s mendacious framing and terms of reference.

  14. Leigh Ryan 4 years ago

    From my reading of the issues that created this colossal mess it would appear the NSW government Planning & Assessment Commission has acted in a irresponsible and incompetent manner to the detriment of all stakeholders involved and should be held fiscally responsible in putting things right.

  15. Phil Gorman 4 years ago

    As I write the audible and infra sounds of the wind in the trees are obviously undermining my health and well-being. Should I sue God or the Government for the increase in average wind speeds in southern Tasmania due to global warming.

    It’s not fair; people who live near transmission towers, power lines, tall buildings, airports, highways, suburban connectors, yachting venues, railways, mines, and factories have far more choices of whom to sue.

    And don’t get me started on rain on the roof, it’s driving me nuts!

  16. Graham Anderson 4 years ago

    Legend has it that the people of Coggeshall in Essex, took to knocking down one of the town’s two windmills – because there was not enough wind

  17. Nigel Colhoun 4 years ago

    Tribalism is when you oppose something even if you agree with it

  18. Phil Gorman 4 years ago

    Daft and damnable: the government’s opposition to renewable energy in general and wind farms in particular.

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