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AGL to offer $1 a day “all you can eat” electric vehicle charging

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AGL says it will offer customers “all you can eat”, emissions-free, electric vehicle charging for a single dollar a day. For AGL, says CEO Andrew Vesey, it’s all about boosting demand and engaging with new technologies.

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AGL Energy has announced plans to offer its electricity customers a $1 a day “all you can eat” electric vehicle charging service, under a new deal that will be launched by the retailer in November.

The new product was announced by AGL CEO Andy Vesey at the Australian Energy Week 2016 conference in Melbourne on Tuesday, and signals yet another push by the big utilities to engage with the new technologies that threaten to disrupt their traditional business models in coming years.

AGL chief Andy Vesey at the opening of AGL’s Nyngan solar farm

Vesey said the deal meant that AGL customers with an EV – such as a Tesla, a BMW or a Nissan Leaf – and an AGL digital meter could use it as a home charging station, 24 hours a day for just $1, with the emissions fully offset.

“If you’re an AGL customer, or become one, then we will provide charging for electric vehicles, $1 a day, all you can eat,” Vesey told the conference at the end of his keynote address.

“So for a dollar a day if you have an electric car and you have an AGL smart meter… you can get energy for that car, as much as you want, 24 hours a day, for a dollar.”

Vesey said that the full details of the EV deal would be revealed when it was launched on November 1. It is one of a number of new initiatives AGL has launched in the past 12 months, including cheap offsets and battery storage products, although this one has the added incentive of increasing load for the utility.EV4

“Growth is important,” he told the conference. “We think doing things to encourage electric vehicles for consumers is important.

“We can’t make the cars. We can’t buy the cars … But we certainly can enable our customers to make the purchases.”

Load is important for the big utilities, particularly those like AGL with major base load generators, which are facing declining demand as homes become more efficient, add more rooftop solar, and as national and state-based renewable energy policies reduce demand from the grid and squeeze out coal generators.

Vesey, who spoke at the Energy Week conference after federal energy minister Josh Frydenberg – who delivered a speech heavy on the federal government’s pet theme of “innovation” – said that technological innovation was not the key to shifting Australia’s energy network to a low-carbon future.

“The single biggest issue we have blocking this transition, from a wholesale perspective, is the fact that we have a national energy market that is overbuilt,” Vesey said.

“Supply way exceeds demand… you need to make room for new investments, because private capital is not going to take the risk.

“The more the wholesale networks can carry it, the more likely that it is going to be built.

“So when you need to talk about getting supply and demand balanced, that takes clever thinking and leadership.”

Vesey also told the conference that AGL, which among other fossil fuel assets owns the Loy Yang coal-fried power plant in Victoria, had been advocating for the orderly exit of plant in Australia.

“Because the alternative is ugly,” Vesey said. “It’s the disorderly exit. And I can tell you, it’s one or the other, because we’re not going to stay where we are.”

“When we think about orderly transitions, we do need to be clever… There was always this question of paying for closure; I’m not a fan of paying for closure,” he said.

“I’m a fan of investors dealing with the consequence of their investments, good or bad.

“What we need is a holistic approach… (such as) a broad industry-wide securitisation program.

“This was done many times in many markets,” he said, noting the example of the deregulation of the US nuclear market.

“And it can be done here. It’s a manageable problem. But what we are saying here is that the move needs to be towards an orderly transition, because the cost of a disorderly transition is significant.

“The idea that you can transform the entire electric infrastructure in the market, by itself, I think is a very difficult one.”

Vesey was also keen to reiterate the inherent value of the existing electricity network, as well as his view that a future scenario where the energy market becomes a mass of independent micro- and mini-grids was highly unlikely.

“The nonsense, and I’ll say it again, the nonsense of the utility death spiral and everybody getting off the grid makes no sense.

“It’s a much more expensive, less efficient outcome than this marvellous machine we have in this world called the network,” he said.

“The bigger (the) network, the greater the efficiency. And the greater the efficiency the lower the cost and the environmental impact, regardless of the infrastructure.

Later, in the CEO Q&A session, Vesey continued along this line, arguing that Australia’s first 5GW of solar rooftops were, essentially, enabled by the grid.

“If I was a consumer, and even though I might have the capability to go off the grid, I’d have to say, with current tariffs I have a free option, I can stay on it. Because I don’t know where the world is going, and there might be some other technology that I can get great benefit out of because I have this connection.

“It just makes sense that if (consumers) don’t know what’s happening (with future technology), that grid, that network …has tremendous value.

“The question is how do we bring that into play and understand it and how does that inform our policy making.”

On disruption in the energy industry, Vesey quoted Canadian science fiction writer William Gibson, who said “the future is already here, it’s just not evenly distributed.”

“The law of disruption is that technology provides us with capabilities exponentially, but social systems grow linearly,” said Vesey.

“We have technologies that allow us to do, today, things which our systems of regulation and law do not let us do, because we don’t know the right policy frameworks to liberate those capabilities. But if you look around you can see it.”

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  1. Neil_Copeland 4 years ago

    All we need now is to be able to buy the range of electric cars available in the US and Europe.

    • Paul Spray 4 years ago

      Agree, I’d love an electric car, but there is virtually no support for them and the only affordable option is the leaf, and it’s not a exactly a pretty car, If the e-golf was here I’d be signing on the dotted line.

      • Chris Fraser 4 years ago

        Same. We’re now seeking more information on that one.

      • john 4 years ago

        I would ask you to keep your eye on the next car from Tesla which i am confident is going to be the $20k vehicle

        • Bruce 4 years ago

          The next Tesla car – Model 3, due late 2017 in USA about $US35k. Maybe $AUS60k in 2018-19 when it arrives here.

          • john 4 years ago

            The first person to reserve a Model 3 at an outlet was a Sydney man because the Sydney outlet opened first on the release day.
            Yes the Model 3 is the next vehicle presently, however Elon has mentioned the possibility of the medium $20 k US as being looked at.
            This would follow the business plan of introducing the Roadster, the Model S, the Model X and the Model 3, where the profit margin of the early models funded and reduced the build cost of the subsequent vehicles.
            After the model 111 is bedded down in the early 20’s I fully expect the next move is to the mid $20k US value vehicle.
            There is to be a second announcement on the MOD 111 shortly.

          • Bruce 4 years ago

            Pretty much agree with all you say. Just concerned that ‘next’ car was $20k and thought expectations may have been misconstrued.

          • john 4 years ago

            All good Bruce if i remember correctly Elon mentioned the next car after Mod 111 while in Northern Europe.

          • JonathanMaddox 4 years ago

            He didn’t let the ladies go first?

      • Michael Dufty 4 years ago

        i’ve got a $15,000 electric car already. The only problem is that it is second hand, and we can’t get more cheap second hand ones without someone first buying the expensive new ones.

        • JonathanMaddox 4 years ago

          Right! Come on, rich people, I want to be envious of your Teslas at the school drop-off, not offended by your Jeeps.

  2. Tim Forcey 4 years ago

    Can I have $1/day all I can heat electricity for my heat pumps please!

    • solarguy 4 years ago

      Well Tim, you’ll need it owning a hot water heat pump. Not as cheap to run as owning a solar hot water system, eh!

      • Tim Forcey 4 years ago

        Here is analysis that shows heat pump hot water requires less boosting than solar thermal hot water, for a number of climate zones.

        • Brunel 4 years ago

          I actually blocked solarguy as soon as Disqus had a banner at the top saying you can block users.

          He keeps telling lies about heat pumps.

          He is paid by solar hot water firms.

          • solarguy 4 years ago

            While it’s true I sell solar water systems, it is completely false to say any company is giving me cash for comment!
            The truth about H/P’s is that they use power every day where a solar water heater does not. Simple as that!

        • solarguy 4 years ago

          Tim read it all before, it was bullshit then and it’s bullshit now, you may hope to think that were all f…king morons by showing the same old failed study again ad nausium.
          But here’s the rub Tim, a heat pump will use anywhere from 2 to 14kwh /day depending on the conditions, every bloody day. 365 days of the year. Where solar water heaters won’t use any electricity at all, most days of the year.
          Mate, you can fool yourself, but don’t try to fool us. Stop telling bloody porkies Tim, because your starting to look like Malcom Turnbull.
          I challenged you to do a study, side by side between ET SHW and H/P and you have evaded the issue. Hell I can’t understand why, LOL.
          My advise Tim, is put up or shut up! The thing with you guys from BZE even though you have done good work, is that you want to flog heat pump hot water. Why because it’s cash for comment. The people that I have exchanged H/P’s for ET SHW’s for have saved at least $300/year, and are truly grateful as in some instances there was only 2 people at the residence.
          Years ago, when we were renting we had a H/P, brand new house, first tenants, the bloody thing almost broke us, it ran 20 hrs a day, every bloody day, not to mention the noise.
          Cheap to run my arse! Value for money my arse! Eco ditto!

          • Tim Forcey 4 years ago

            Sorry to hear about your bad personal hot water heat pump experience Shaun.

            I had a car once that didn’t work very well. Still despite that setback, I think automotive technology just might catch on.

            At least 200,000 hot water heat pumps sold in Australia so far, last time I checked the renewable energy registry.

            Apricus is now looking at combining heat pump technology with their solar thermal hot water offer. But gee, that would have to be expensive I think.

            Yes, an updated full review of residential hot water economics is on my to-do list, as we have discussed previously, in a more polite forum.

            Cheers Shaun.

      • Brian Bartlett 4 years ago

        Having owned and used solar HWS since the late 70’s I think they are great but like all things they are best in the right situation, just not every situation. We shouldn’t be rubbishing good technology of any type. Let’s save that for poor technology.

        My 150 litre Aust designed heat pump is averaging 1.5kWh per day in our winter for 2 people. My 1kWp solar array is averaging 4kWh/day with 2.5kWh/day being exported. At current prices even if I ignore the solar PV it costs less than $0.40/day. But installing a heat pump HWS is often a better choice when building design, shading or other factors including cost are taken in to account. At $2000 including installation it was significantly lower, ie less than half, than the solar HWS quotes. And it is still running from the Sun effectively.

        • solarguy 4 years ago

          So you export 2.5kwh per day, but only utilize 1.5kwh per day. That would only run a fridge! Ummm
          Don’t believe the heat pump energy use at all for 2 people!

          • Brian Bartlett 4 years ago

            Well I can only produce my power bills for the last 10 years. I had a 270l model of the same brand hardwired to the off peak meter and it averaged 3kWh/day over that time and we had a 3rd person for 7 years of that. Maybe the digital power meter is or has been faulty all that time. This new one is much more efficient and has varied from 1.3kWh to 1.9kWh/day since install 2 weeks ago. Same time last year the 270l was using 5kWh/day. I read the meters daily. Yesterday we exported 4kWh from the PV.

          • solarguy 4 years ago

            So the truth is starting to emerge Brian. If you exported 4kwh from your 1kwp PV yesterday, can only mean your not using it.
            Time to come clean Brian!

          • Brian Bartlett 4 years ago

            Ok I’ll try to be a little more clear. The solar readings are taken both from the power meter supplied which has a 1kWh resolution and from the meter on the SMA inverter which has a 10Wh resolution. The solar exports have no relation to the HWS consumption as the power meter is configured in such a way that power used by the HWS is independently measured and charged on an off peak tariff. Other household consumption does reduce the solar export number daily however only the refrigerator is using power for the majority of the day when the sun is shining.
            So in the 2500 days since that particular meter was installed it recorded 8044kWh. Only the the 270l heat pump was connected to that meter. Thus the average consumption was 3.2176kWh per day for that time for 3 people most of the time. The SMA inverter meter connected to the 1kWhp solar array has recorded 9941kWh since install around the same time. This is an average of 3.88kWh per day as it was running about 60 days before the new export meter was installed. The solar export meter recorded 5160kWh in 2500 days therefore average exports were around 2kWh per day.
            The new 150l heat pump has inly been running 14 days and has used 23kWh, or 1.64kWh/day according to the power company off peak meter but it only has a 1kWh resolution. I fitted a separate efergy power meter to its circuit used which has recorded an average of 1.444kWh/day so my 1.5kWh/day is reasonably accurate. This is the coldest time of year and a number of very cloudy days occurred including heavy rain

    • Marley 4 years ago

      Regardless of homeowners using Solar or heat pumps if it’s sustainable and economic it’s heading in the right direction, what concerns me Tim is you said “can I have $1/day all I can heat for my heat pumps please!” Now I was of the understanding heat pumps were energy efficent, my bad for not researching it more, what I do know is the electric booster of my SHWS doesn’t use anywhere $365 of electricity per year calculated at standard grid price. So what is it Tim, are Heat pumps consuming a sizable amount of electricity or did you just take the opportunity to slip the word “Heat pumps into a media release about electric car charging?

      • Tim Forcey 4 years ago

        Hello Marley:

        Yes, I thought “all I can heat” was catchy. All you can ‘eat’, all you can ‘heat’, get it?

        Yep, always happy to mention heat pumps.

        Especially heat pumps for SPACE HEATING (also known on mainland Australia as reverse-cycle air conditioners).

        Because that is how I am heating my house right now. And yes, they can consume $1 per day of electricity to heat a house (perhaps not a lot more than that). See my article here that explains our home heating situation in great detail:

        BTW not that our personal situation is of huge importance to everyone, but we heat water currently with an old gas heater, which will be replaced after I have the sewer line replaced that lies beneath that part of the property, which I will do after the… and so on and so on! You know how these home renovations go sometimes….

        • Marley 4 years ago

          So you didn’t use it to as an opportunity to slip “heat pump” into the story, Opps I just did again! I guess it depends on the region but heating the full house for $365 a year ( depending on set up costs) would be pretty attractive, these are the questions that companies like AGL need to answer.

    • JP White 4 years ago

      Some EV’s have a ‘power export feature’. Mitsubishi is one such brand. Others such as the LEAF can be retro fitted with an power inverter for not much money.

      Its quite conceivable that you could charge you car for $1, then export its power to power home appliances. Rinse and repeat.

  3. Cooma Doug 4 years ago

    If I have an electric car in 10-15 years time, it will be a 50kwh device. I wont be making a deal for so called free energy all I can eat at 90 dollars a quarter. Everybody will be wanting me to park at their business and plug in for free. The trap here is AGL and Origin putting a wall around technology innovation and opportunity.
    If I own a car and am not in a car sharing arrangement, the car will be my home battery in co ordination with my solar and my contracted “energy sharing peers”. A big company connecting me to place far far away wont be in my thinking.

    • solarguy 4 years ago

      So your happy to run your house on the car battery and then not be able to drive to far because of that. Is that right?

      • Cooma Doug 4 years ago

        I didnt say I wouldnt have batteries on the home system

      • Ian 4 years ago

        A small EV like a 30kwh leaf has a range of 107 miles (about 160km in the new money.)

        The average car use in Australia is 13000 km a year that’s 35km a day. This means the car is using 35/160 x 30 kWh a day =6.6 kwh there is 13 kWh to play with for household use.

        One of the problems adding storage to a house, is that of the high fixed tariff component of a grid tied system. This out-weighs the benefit of installing batteries for overnight solar energy use. The grid in this circumstance is to provide electricity as a backup system. A little 7kwh battery is not going to provide storage for several days of sunless weather. This is the point where the battery vehicle comes in. It can substitute for the grid as a back up energy supply. The house can go off grid and save on the fixed fees. The car can simply fill up at a public charging site and bring electricity home, or it can use its excess storage capacity on those odd occasions when there is cloudy weather.

        Of course if the network retailer stops being so immature with its tariff structure (trying to restrict distributed renewables by charging high fixed fees and lower per kWh fees) then maybe the electric car can go back to being just a transportation device.

        • solarguy 4 years ago

          Ian, firstly I’d like to point out that you would have 23.4kwh left to play with.
          I don’t agree that the fixed tariff (sac charge) out weighs the benefit of having overnight storage, your going to pay that anyway. Your right that 7kwh isn’t that much but can get some through the night.
          I wouldn’t like to go off grid relying on the cars storage, 1) because public charging could take hours, unless it’s a rapid charger, but still a pain in the arse. 2) you might need to drive unexpectedly 50-60km and in a hurry, due to an emergency, because shit happens.
          The networks gold plating should be close to being paid off now, as there is 2.9 million homes in NSW, that is a revenue stream of $2.3 million per day @80cents/day. They won’t be able to restrict renewables for much longer, because their business will die. The signs are there that their starting realize that fact.

          • Ian 4 years ago

            I was not disputing the fact that a house battery is a useful device. What I was saying is that an EV , even a small one, can enable that house to go off grid, by providing the occasional safety net when solar electricity is not available for several days due to cloudy weather. You say that ,at least in New South, the energy retailers are starting to support solar and battery storage with decent FIT’s and tariffs, well that’s fantastic. Perhaps the tide against distributed renewables is turning – happy days, eh.

          • solarguy 4 years ago

            No, I know you weren’t saying that a home battery wasn’t useful, but Ian, what I’m saying is that going off grid requires a fair amount off battery storage and if going of grid, one should have a genset when all else fails to do the business. Shoot me an email, to, [email protected] leave your phone number and we can talk about this in detail ok.

  4. Geoff 4 years ago

    This sounds like just the right kind of initiative to have car manufacturers re-think not bringing their EVs here.

  5. Cooma Doug 4 years ago

    The thing about cars is the dismal numbers when calculating value for investment. The autonomous car sharing future will lift that value 300%.

  6. Chris Fraser 4 years ago

    Retail price-setters (like AGL) can now put their money where their mouth is. If they are so confident that micro generators want to stay attached to the grid, then remove the daily access charge and buy and sell energy for its retail value.

    • solarguy 4 years ago

      But Chris it’s the networks that set the daily charges mainly.

      • Chris Fraser 4 years ago

        … and the daily access charge is an antispiral reaction to the portending problem of micro generators allowing reduced consumption from the grid. Their business system, including grid maintenance, should be funded more fairly from consumers’ desire to consume an amount their grid energy measured in kWh.

  7. Ian 4 years ago

    It would make more sense to promote EVs in the context of time of use tarriffs.
    No point loading up the grid at peak times.

    • JP White 4 years ago

      It’s their grid.

      • Ian 4 years ago

        My point being that it is peak capacity which causes network costs and bills to increase. … and nobody wants that.(except AGL)

        • JP White 4 years ago

          I think peak capacity is the least of their issues. You did read this paragraph right?

          “Load is important for the big utilities, particularly those like AGL with major base load generators, which are facing declining demand as homes become more efficient, add more rooftop solar, and as national and state-based renewable energy policies reduce demand from the grid and squeeze out coal generators.”

  8. john 4 years ago

    $1.00 a day will be @ 4c an KWh about 25 KWh of power perhaps 75 kilometers.
    Even at say 10c an KWh that is 10 KWh of power perhaps 30 kilometers.
    Yes am using very Conservative figures to be kind OK.
    Which in the urban usage is far more than they drive so is a good idea because it results in a gain.
    Those however who are taking up Electric Vehicles are very Technological Literate and will make up their mind as to how good this ” feel good announcement ” is.
    Frankly in the urban travel situation it is a not good decision.
    However for some who do drive more distance this is not bad however they have to pay when not using the vehicle frankly using a few panels on the roof may prove more advisable to them plus a battery.

  9. Carl Raymond S 4 years ago

    A measure which encourages us to consume more kWh, yet is simultaneously green. There aren’t many of those.
    A possible motivation for AGL is to sign up as many EV owners as possible, so that when demand management systems become a real thing, they will be positioned to take advantage.
    Keep in mind that when the number of cars make it worthwhile, Tesla will be able to roll out demand management to all existing Teslas overnight via an over the air update. Demand management goes from not being a thing, to being a big thing, instantly.

    • solarguy 4 years ago

      We can only hope it will be green energy, but in the short term mainly not I suspect.

      • Carl Raymond S 4 years ago

        Even if 100% coal, still greener than an ICE car. But I don’t overlap the two issues. Goal 1, electrify all transport. Goal 2, decarbonise the grid. Every EV sold helps towards goal 1, and AGL are tilting the market to assist more sales.

      • hydrophilia 4 years ago

        It probably will be green: if the deal allows for AGL to flexibly adjust the charge rate (even without the ability to “borrow” power from your car) it will really help them stabilize the grid and handle variations in power production and consumption. This means less need for spinning reserves… and reduced CO2 emissions… even without any renewable power production.
        It also makes RE easier to integrate into the grid.

        • solarguy 4 years ago

          Well yes it does, but I think your missing the point here, If you need the power for your home or the car, it would turn out to be bloody inconvenient, wouldn’t it if they took it without you wanting it to happen and if they wouldn’t pay you a good price.

          • hydrophilia 4 years ago

            Of course. I agree 100%, but I did not see anything in your post that equaled a concern about that…. and was just commenting on a possible positive aspect.

    • Michael Dufty 4 years ago

      I heard Simon Hackett (well known Tesla owner) on the radio last week saying the idea of using electric vehicle batteries for storage is stupid, as you want the battery charged so you can drive it. I pretty much agree, it is hard to see more than a marginal benefit at least with current range because most people want the car fully charged and ready to go as much as possible. It would be OK to draw down a bit overnight, but that is not generally when the grid is going to want to be taking energy out. Doesn’t work for solar because you’d still need to charge it up again before the sun comes up. Simon reckons the answer is cheaper separate batteries for storage, (which he happens to be in a position to sell you 🙂 )

      • Carl Raymond S 4 years ago

        Yes, a storage battery and a car battery are designed for different purposes – the storage battery having the max number of cycles. So you don’t want to be depreciating your car by drawing down for the house.
        But this doesn’t mean you can’t stop charging it, or charging it at half rate during the nightly charge. My Leaf charger pulls 3.3kW each night from midnight, for roughly 2 hours. I don’t care which two hours, so long as it’s charged by morning – a Tesla driver cares even less – can probably go a day or two without any charge. If the utility was in control of which two hours (or sum of charge minutes equalling two hours), that should be useful to them.
        Obviously needs a ‘charge me now’ button on the interface for those times when you can’t afford to wait, but that’s rare.

        • Michael Dufty 4 years ago

          Yes, restricting charging times makes more sense, although it’s hard to see it being enough of a benefit to bother, not a lot of demand peaks after midnight. A system that takes EV charging offline during the evening demand peak could be well worthwhile when there are more EVs around. We do leave ours uncharged overnight when there is a good prospect of charging from solar before it is needed again, but I don’t think it makes much sense economically, just feels good.

  10. solarguy 4 years ago

    Vessey is a smart man, I agree with most of what he has said here, as the grid will benefit all with solar and storage if it stays and improves. However a word of warning, AGL and others who follow AGL, will be looking to milk your batteries in peak times when you need it, to off set high grid costs. By offering punters a free smart meter and $1 for all you can eat EV charging, could be a trap, giving them ultimate control over your solar generation and storage, including your EV storage.

    Just think and read the fine print people!

    • Dan 4 years ago

      I can only imagine that the car charger is on a separate meter to squeeze out up to 90kw and not get charged the standard rate of kw x $$$.
      Start hooking up your appliances to your EVs 12v socket…

      • solarguy 4 years ago

        Possibly but who knows.

  11. Phil 4 years ago

    Bound to be a few catches here like is the $1 a day just the access fee with kwh time of day charges on top of that ? Do you have to have a solar array as part of the deal as that would preclude many unit dwellers.

    They would also have to have some “smarts” to prevent people using an EV battery on its own – say one that is end of life recycled , but might still be good for 20-40 kwh to power the whole house.

    Otherwise you could charge that battery bank for $1 a day and float a decent inverter across it and power the house for $1 a day assuming as they state here it really is $1 a day including all the kwh you pull off the grid anytime 24 hours a day.

    And perhaps they will make it a 2 way ONLY deal where your car battery smooths the load of the network . So your EV may not get the full charge you expect if you just happen to disconnect and drive out after a heavy peak load.

    I have found with these energy companies the devil is in the detail . So i’ll save this article and compare it to the product disclosure statement / terms and conditions when they come out later this year

  12. Ian 4 years ago

    Vesey says ” we can’t make cars, we can’t buy cars” but damnit they can make batteries. If AGL wants to reinvent themselves, and find a market for their grid power , build a ‘ Gigafactory ‘ and make loads of batteries. As discussed before these battery factories can be dirt cheap. $5 billion to build a factory to supply 1/2 million cars a year. Enough storage and load to help their coal assets to retire gracefully and to provide stability to a renewables dominant market.

    Evidence is mounting that the cost to produce lithium batteries can be very low. In another renew economy article the materials cost for lithium batteries per KWH is 10 to 20 dollars. The factory cost amortised over 10 years is about 15 dollars. It’s not inconceivable that lithium batteries could be manufactured at $50/KWH. At that price 30 KWH battery pack for a leaf would be $ 1500 or a 90 KWH model S $4500.

    If this country made its own batteries and possibly its own chassis, then car companies would oblige with car body and cabin ” skins”.

    lithium battery manufacturing could be the kind of innovation our glorious leader could promote, a type of ” sunshot initiative”

    No good bemoaning the fact of expensive batteries, make them ourselves .

    Ask South Australia, the missing ingredient in the renewables energy mix is battery storage, well make them already.

    We have over a $ 1 billion to subsidise rural electricity. Build a battery factory and give the output to rural communities for reliable electricity minigrids.

    Horrible balance of payments due to high import bill for liquid fuels, build a battery factory and electrify transportation. Such a venture would be an order of magnitude cheaper than the broad band network thingy. And about the same price as 50 km of pacific highway construction or a couple of tunnels under Brisbane.

  13. Jo Hume 4 years ago

    Our electric vehicle mileage is 18,000 km with an average of 12.9KWh per 100km. Under Mojo Power’s offpeak charging rates that will cost us only $205 pa. We only need to charge offpeak so this is a much better option for us…

  14. Dennis Kavanagh 4 years ago

    In late 2011, I was fortunate to be selected to drive a Nissan Leaf as part of the Victorian Electric Vehicle Trial. I had the car for 105 days, drove an average of 42.9 km per day and used an average of 7.3 kWh per day in charging. At $1 per day, that works out to an electricity rate of 13.7 cents per kWh. That is a very low rate for electricity at least compared to Origin’s current rates here in Victoria and would be a compelling reason (if it actually turns out to be as it has been portrayed) to switch to AGL. Compared to the cost of petrol at the time in my Mazda 3 of $4.92 per day (at 42.9 km per day), the $1 per day AGL proposal would also be a great incentive to buy an electric car, such as the Tesla Model 3 when it arrives in Australia probably in 2018.

    The $1 compared to $4.92 stated above would work out to a saving in fuel cost of $1,430 per year!

  15. Steve 4 years ago

    My electric BMW i3 costs me about 50c per day to charge at the moment (ignoring my renewable energy surcharge). Doesn’t seem a good deal for me.

    • Giles 4 years ago

      Can you explain the 50c?

    • Giles 4 years ago

      Can you explain the 50c?

      • Steve 4 years ago

        My commute is about 40 km and my i3 has averaged 13 kwH / 100 kms since its last service in march.

        Overnight charging with Origin TOU charging , is about 10 cents a kwH.

        0.4 * 13 * 10 = 52 cents a day commute. (poetic license makes this 50C) 🙂

  16. Lachlan Mc 4 years ago

    I know it’s probably a feature of other EV’s, but I thought that I saw Robert Llewellyn explaining that you can use the Nissan Leaf’s battery as a battery storage for the home, so theoretically that’s a bit of a loop hole in the scheme? Charging time would obviously affect it but it surely can’t be a long-term scheme as residential charging times decrease. Although I’d love a day where it costs everyone a flat $365 a year to power your home and charge your vehicle haha

    • Steve 4 years ago

      This isn’t really a good idea. The batteries can charge and discharge, so yes they can be used. However each battery has a limited number of discharges so using it to power the house overnight will reduce the useful life of the battery in the EV.

      • Lachlan Mc 4 years ago

        I think it’s a pretty dope idea STEVE

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          • Ian 4 years ago

            What a good idea, fit a side circuit from the car charger through the car and out the car’s back door back into the house all you can eat, heat, pump etc etc for a dollar a day.

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