Memo to Barnaby: If you want cheap electricity, nuclear is not the answer

There’s right, and there’s wrong… and then there’s Barnaby Joyce.

Joyce – Australia’s LNP minister for agriculture who was recently sworn in as deputy leader of the entire country – was right when he declared the cost of electricity bills to be one of the uppermost issues for Australian consumers, in an interview with the Adelaide Advertiser on Thursday.

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He was wrong, however, when he suggested that the answer to the issue of electricity prices was not renewable energy, but nuclear, what he described as the “the ultimate renewable energy”.

Joyce, as we learned in our piece last year, “Barnaby Joyce’s renewable energy target: 100% ignorance” is one of the biggest opponents of wind farms in the Coalition, and it’s a little ironic to see that his electorate is about to became a major renewable energy hub, with two large wind farms and solar farms to be built near Glen Innes.

So it’s not necessarily surprising that he took another pot shot at renewables in the Murdoch media today. Here’s some of what he told the Advertiser:

“People want to make sure that we have a more efficient and clean energy sector but when it comes to paying the bills one thing that is No. 1 on their issues … is the price of power…

“The biggest fact you’ve got to think about is people’s capacity to pay for things. If people can’t afford to pay for it, they don’t want to be part of it … You don’t want to be so far in front (on renewable energy) that you scare all the people that you represent. If you’re an experiment, then you’re either going to be heroic or dead.”

Commenting on SA’s world-leading sourcing of electricity from wind and solar, Mr Joyce said the state needed affordable, reliable power not affected by “the vagaries of the day” — whether the sun shines or wind blows.

Back in 2013, he made his feelings clear, when he lamented to the Senate the “insane lemming-like desire to go to renewables” in Australia, and questioned what it would do to the national economy.

What is a little surprising is his endorsement of nuclear as a suitable and cheap alternative for new electricity generation in South Australia, as old coal-fired power is retired, when this is precisely the opposite finding arrived at by various recent and significant studies on the subject, not least of all the SA Royal Commission into nuclear power for Australia.

To be fair to Joyce, the Commission’s findings were a little confusing, in that they ruled out nuclear power as a viable alternative for Australia, but urged authorities to consider it anyway. But on the subject of nuclear generation for South Australia, the conclusion was clear: it wasn’t viable in the state for the foreseeable future (2030), even with a significant carbon price and a sharp reduction in the cost of capital.

Another major report from November 2015 – this time based on research undertaken by the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI), Worley Parsons in Australia and Ernst and Young, and peer reviewed by the Australian Government Bureau of Resource Research Economics (BREE) – came to a similar conclusion.

The 362-page Australian Power Generation Technology Report essentially ruled out nuclear power for the whole of Australia, revealing that the technology was becoming more and more prohibitively expensive, at around double the capital cost estimated three years ago – and double the cost of competing technologies.

The collaborative research effort from more than 40 organisations, including the CSIRO, ARENA, the federal government’s Department of Industry and Science and the Office of the Chief Economist clearly showed, in fact, that solar and wind would be the cheapest low carbon technologies in Australia.

As you can see in the tables below, based on the levelised cost of energy (LCOE) – which is the the average cost of producing electricity from that technology over its entire life – nuclear is found to be more expensive than wind and five out of six solar technologies in 2015.

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By 2030 (below), it is more expensive than everything. And this is the figure that counts, as we noted back then, because it is an impossibility that nuclear could be built in Australia before that time. Some would suggest it would take another 10 years.

ATSE technologies 2015


Comments

42 responses to “Memo to Barnaby: If you want cheap electricity, nuclear is not the answer”

  1. John Saint-Smith Avatar
    John Saint-Smith

    I’ve called him ‘Barmy Choice’ ever since he predicted a $100.00 lamb roast out of a carbon taxed electric oven. It’s great to see that he is living up to his name by backing an environmentally, socially, politically and financially unacceptable technology which really might be able to make his $100 radioactive sheep dream come true. Given his hatred for the renewables that are now beginning to dot his electorate, I wonder if Barmy Choice would be trying to have a nuclear power station built there too – to balance out the ugliness?
    I hear a rumour that Tony Windsor wants the electorate back. Well, all he’d need would be to set up a few more ‘big, bad’ wind turbine scare crows around and old Barmy would be scurrying off with his tail between his legs.

    1. Douglas Hynd Avatar
      Douglas Hynd

      Wind farm going in at Glen Innes courtesy of the ACT Government should do the job

  2. Thucydides Avatar
    Thucydides

    Hah, Malcolm and Barnaby – the present Laurel and Hardy leadership of the Loopy Neanderthal Party.

    Malcolm of the unbounded confidence who ignored unanimous expert advice to insist building the NBN out of fibre and copper and HFC cable would be just as good as fibre only: quicker and much less expensive he said. Now his ‘Multi-Technology Mix’ network (AKA ‘Malcolm Turnbull’s Mashup) is beset with delays, cost blowouts, performance problems and outraged customers. It is easily shaping up to overtake multi-gauge railways as the largest and costliest infrastructure stuffup in Australia’s history.

    Of course, the politics around the NBN were that Abbott wanted Turnbull to destroy the NBN because it was Labor’s publicly funded visionary policy. Turnbull thought he could keep his ambitions alive on the front bench by re-birthing NBN as an LNP asset, to be flogged off quick smart to the private sector.

    The politics around LNP support for nuclear and other non-renewables are similarly prosaic. Mining and construction interests are a core LNP constituency. They donate heavily to the parties’ coffers and they provide jobs to conservative politicians, staffers and lobbyists when the winds of fortune blow the other way. Other interests, such as those of the wider public, other industry sectors, other species, or indeed the health of the planet itself, factor minimally in their considerations by comparison. In spruiking for nukes Barnaby is just doing his job looking after his good mates, Gina et al.

  3. Giovane Avatar
    Giovane

    If this guy and his folks really want nuclear power plants, here they can buy this one with a good plot of land, fishing area included.
    http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/02/tva_considers_selling_unfinish.html?hootPostID=c294aba7a6503c7f5b0922dd9810c56d#incart_river_home

  4. Coley Avatar
    Coley

    Do Australian poloticians read? They need to look at the immense cost overruns at the three European reactors under construction/ consideration.
    Not only cost overruns but building delays, problems with the steel being used.
    I’m still hoping common sense will save the day regarding Hinkley point,but as our current lot seem as blind as your lot and (beholden) to certain ‘ sectors’ I ain’t holding my breath

  5. Miles Harding Avatar
    Miles Harding

    Here’s one for Barny Choice:
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/reactivating-nuclear-reactors-to-fight-climate-change/
    (not that Barnaby has anything to do with climate change)

    In 2009, the Tennesee Valley Authority was still $25Bn down after its attempts to build 17 nuclear plants in the 1970s, only 6 of which were ever completed.
    The same story esimated the cost to build a nuclear plant at about $7Bn or about $4500 per kw in 2009.

    Barnably can’t look to China for validation.
    Australia will not be able to commit to the sort of state sponsored largesse that allows the Chinese programme to exist. Further, I would expect that any nuclear programme in Australia will be at the top end of the cost range because of safety concerns and domestic construction costs.

    Due to the small number of projects (<1?), all of the technology and expertise would be imported. Compare this to the possibilities if a domestic renewable manufacturing industry actually existed, making panels, batteries, wind generators and associated equipment, something that the country used to be able to do (we can't even make a car anymore).

    We definitely need more than one trina and redflow.

  6. lin Avatar
    lin

    Bananaby thinks nuclear is “the ultimate renewable energy”.
    I think renewable does not mean what he thinks it means, but I am sure he would laugh at any suggestion he cannot make up his own facts.

  7. lin Avatar
    lin

    Perhaps we could buy the Indian Point facility cheap. They seem to be having “issues”.

    “For more than a decade, it has been impossible for operators of the Indian Point nuclear power plant to stop highly radioactive reactor and spent fuel pool coolant from leaking into the groundwater and migrating to the Hudson River”.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roger-witherspoon/indian-point-contaminates_b_9224302.html?utm_hp_ref=new-york&ir=New+York

    1. neroden Avatar
      neroden

      Unfortunately, it’s too heavy to move, even by ship.

      Maybe buy some of the mothballed nuclear aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines from the US and Russia and use them for power.

  8. david_fta Avatar
    david_fta

    Joyce demonstrates his ignorance-driven incompetence once again.

  9. phred01 Avatar
    phred01

    Barnaby now is deputy PM Turnbull better not travel overseas as this pollie is likely put his foot in his mouth again.

  10. ecoh Avatar
    ecoh

    In practice, nuclear power is more ecologically friendly, cheaper, safer per gigawatt produced than wind/solar, and keeps most of the remaining natural landscapes untouched and does not butcher millions of birds and bats as wind/solar does.
    Germany: 15.22 ¢/kWh (wind/solar)
    France: 8.97 ¢/kWh (nuclear)
    http://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countries/
    http://www.politico.eu/article/the-good-green-german-gets-sticker-shock/
    http://capitolhilloutsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/death-by-renewables.jpg

    1. Jan Veselý Avatar
      Jan Veselý

      This, buddy, is typical cherrypicking and demagogy. I live in a country where 6 nuclear reactors are situated. The 2 reactor Temelin plant accounts 6 villages wiped out of the Earth’s surface (5 – plant and security zone, 1 – cooling water dam). Is it worse than insult someones aesthetic feelings?
      According to studies performed in Germany, Demark and USA, wind towers are 100,000x less dangerous to birds than cats, 1000x less than glass buildings, 100x less than high-voltage power lines and 100x less than cooling towers of thermal power plants.
      CSP plants in Spain are in fact bird reservations because they don’t harm them at all but shooting is strictly prohibited (too many mirrors).
      French electricity is cheaper because it is subsidized and in fact it doesn’t cover cost of production.
      OTOH, German electricity is heavily taxed and used for cross-subsidizing of energy intensive German industries.

        1. Jan Veselý Avatar
          Jan Veselý

          I visited several wind farms and I never saw a dead bird anywhere nearby. Is your hobby to collect those pictures and are you sure they are not fake?

          1. ecoh Avatar
            ecoh

            These wind farms now have hired employees to go out each morning to pick up and get rid of the carcasses. Furthermore, seriously injured birds die very far away.
            “Headteacher Stuart McLeod has had to come in early to clear up the bloody carcasses before his young pupils spot them.”
            http://metro.co.uk/2010/07/04/school-shuts-bird-killer-wind-turbine-434336/
            “Wind Industry Ignores Bird Conservationists”
            http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/collisions/wind_siting.html
            http://abcbirds.org/threat/bird-strikes/
            Dogs are used for clearing up wind/solar farms to get rid of slaughtered birds and bats:
            http://dingo.care2.com/pictures/causes/3102/3101048.large.jpg
            http://i2.wp.com/ontario-wind-resistance.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/birdcartoon.jpg
            http://www.cfact.org/2013/03/18/wind-turbines-kill-up-to-39-million-birds-a-year/
            http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-many-birds-do-wind-turbines-really-kill-180948154/?no-ist

          2. lin Avatar
            lin

            In Australia, cars and trucks kill a lot of eagles feasting on dead road kill. Are you going to start a campaign to ban cars and trucks too? After all, the kill far more birds than windfarms.

          3. Colin Nicholson Avatar
            Colin Nicholson

            14 seagulls in 6 months – I’ve seen 14 go in a day down at the local rubbish dump. The wind industry now avoids migratory bird routes. Not so the fossil fuel industries. And you really should read all the articles from the smithsonian – especially the reviewed articles. But just take one statement – higher turbines will kill more birds – so five 2MW turbines will kill less birds than one 10MW turbine. Where is the proof for that?

          4. Colin Nicholson Avatar
            Colin Nicholson

            George and from that very publication “We support well-planned wind energy, but we fight turbines in sensitive bird areas like the migratory path of Whooping Cranes—one of the most endangered U.S. birds” Oh and as usual one of your links is wrong. And for all those into photoshopping, how many errors in the picture of the dog can you find (the shadow is a good giveaway)

          5. ecoh Avatar
            ecoh

            “The larger, more efficient structures appear to kill more birds per turbine than the windmills they’re replacing—between three and eight birds per turbine per year..”
            “Turbines kill thousands of birds and bats annually.”
            http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2014/04/140427-altamont-pass-will-newer-wind-turbines-mean-fewer-bird-deaths/
            “Wind farms causing thousands of bats to die of collapsed lungs annually in Alberta”
            http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/wind-farms-causing-thousands-of-bats-to-die-of-collapsed-lungs-annually-in-alberta-top-bat-expert
            “In a summary of avian impacts at wind turbines by Benner et al (1993) bird deaths per turbine per year were as high as 309 in Germany and 895 in Sweden.”
            http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/07/study-wind-farms-even-more-expensive-and-pointless-than-you-thought/
            http://www.strata.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Full-Report-True-Cost-of-Wind1.pdf
            “..10 birds a year, per turbine, based on Dutch and Belgian studies..”
            “Since there are 22,000 turbines in Germany, the avian death toll could be tens of thousands of birds a year or even more, just in Germany”
            http://eandt.theiet.org/blog/blogpost.cfm?threadid=50455&catid=390
            “Wind turbines kill a rather staggering 600,000 to 900,000 bats every year, according to a new study.”
            http://www1.eere.energy.gov/wind/pdfs/birds_and_bats_fact_sheet.pdf
            “In Spain, at least 18 million birds are slaughtered annually by wind-turbine blades. Bird deaths in Germany are more than 300 per turbine, and in Sweden almost 900 per turbine. German turbines kill more than 200,000 bats per year, and in the U.S. turbines kill some 2.8 million bats.”
            http://newsweekly.com.au/article.php?id=56747
            “European wind power may kill up to 37 birds per turbine each year. The wind industry, in contrast, cites the absurdly low results of a single very spotty study at one site as gospel.”
            http://www.aweo.org/problemwithwind.html
            http://www.iberica2000.org/Es/Articulo.asp?Id=1253
            http://www.cepos.dk/fileadmin/user_upload/Arkiv/PDF/Wind_energy_-_the_case_of_Denmark.pdf
            “Bird deaths in Germany are more than 300 per turbine”
            “German turbines kill more than 200,000 bats per year”
            “The amount of energy embedded in steel pylons, concrete footings, blades, wiring, magnets, land clearing and roads is more than a wind pylon would ever generate in its working life.”
            http://newsweekly.com.au/article.php?id=56747
            “Wind Turbines ruining landscapes worldwide”
            http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/wind-turbines-ruining-landscapes-worldwide

        2. Colin Nicholson Avatar
          Colin Nicholson

          Hello George good to see you back, but if you reckon cats don’t kill endangered species, then I can only suggest you read one of your own references. http://abcbirds.org/threat/cats-and-other-invasives/

          1. ecoh Avatar
            ecoh

            But a crime does not justify another one.
            It is same to say Bin Laden butchered thousands while Hitler annihilated millions, then Bin Laden is a more friendly person.
            No matter who has slaughtered more birds, if wind blades or cats, the point is “Wind energy is not nearly as ‘clean’ and ‘good for the environment’ as the wind lobbyists want you to believe.”
            http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/71563
            http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/big-winds-dirty-little-secret-toxic-lakes-and-radioactive-waste

          2. Colin Nicholson Avatar
            Colin Nicholson

            Given up on ABC as a reference now George. I suggest you research “offshore oil drilling effect on migratory birds” And CanadaFreePress runs a banner
            “Because without America, there is no free world” Bit strange don’t you think George? I know this will now be a personal attack

          3. ecoh Avatar
            ecoh

            “Wind turbines kill more birds than BP oil spill”
            “But oil spills the size of the BP accident don’t happen every year. Deaths caused by wind turbines and solar farms, however, don’t stop.”
            http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/20/wind-turbines-kill-more-birds-than-bp-oil-spill/
            http://www.investors.com/politics/capital-hill/windmills-and-solar-plans-kill-far-birds-than-oil-spills/
            http://wcfn.org/2014/07/02/wind-turbines-contaminate/
            “1,000 litres of oil leaked from a turbine” “..and contaminate groundwater.”
            http://www.sundaypost.com/news-views/scotland/special-investigation-toxic-wind-turbines-1.282890
            “windfarm ​responsible for high levels of cancer-causing chemical in public water​ supply​”
            “Test results obtained by Rachel Connor over a four-year period showed high levels of potentially cancer-causing chemical trihalomethane (THM).”
            http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/doctor-claims-scotlands-biggest-windfarm-4881760
            Nuclear power is more ecologically friendly.

          4. wideEyedPupil Avatar
            wideEyedPupil

            @Giles can we have zero tolerance on these trolls it’s a waste of everybody’s time going through refuting the gish gallop of garbage.

          5. neroden Avatar
            neroden

            Agreed. Please ban ’em, they’re boring wastes of time.

          6. Colin Nicholson Avatar
            Colin Nicholson

            No they are not a waste of time. It gives a good opportunity to compile a list of scientific papers to refute these arguments which adorn STT. You have to remember that STT will not publish any refutations of their views, so it is important not to stoop to the same censorship. C’mon all you dog owners what else is wrong with george’s picture

          7. Colin Nicholson Avatar
            Colin Nicholson

            George, since you surely must agree that destruction of habitat is the cause of most of the distress in the bird population, then you would be against logging. I think there may be something on in Bruny Island in Tassy over Easter opposing logging of natural forest.

          8. Colin Nicholson Avatar
            Colin Nicholson

            Re offshore platforms George Here you go (you might need to reassemble the link)
            This is what you call a paper
            https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266148466_Bird_interactions_with_offshore
            _oil_and_gas_platforms_Review_of_impacts
            _and_monitoring_techniques

          9. Colin Nicholson Avatar
            Colin Nicholson

            Here is a nice WHO report George which notes that THM concentrations in excess of 100 microgram/litre are quite common in drinking water (as a one off/year) and if you read on… you had better give up on the dairy products and fish. I suspect that the 70% over is a once off caused by warm weather and the Doctor knows it. Also she doesn’t say which THM it was – could have been Chloroform. A once off oil spill of 1,000 litres bit like DWH eh but only 6 barrels. As to the list of complaints, I suggest you also track how many complaints were eventually found to be from other misadventure. E coli is caused by underchlorinating drinking water. Once again thanks for the opportunity to post this scientific data

    2. Geoff Avatar
      Geoff

      hahahahha… you’re funny. love your comment.
      now let me share some numbers with you that totally destroys it. bird death rates by cause:
      communication towers: 5 – 6.8 million
      buildings: 100,000 – 1 billion
      cats: 365 million – 1 billion
      cars: 60 – 80 million
      pesticides: 67 – 90 million
      power lines: 100,000’s – 175 million
      wind turbines: 100,000 – 440,000.
      now lets look at your precious nuclear power station:
      173,400 tons for radio active waste generated so far
      38.369 TBq of waste dumped into the oceans at over 100 locations
      985,000 people dead from cancer due to chernobyl
      tuna migrating from the east cost of japan over to California have been caught which contain the same nuclear finger print of the uranium used in fukushima
      uranium mining sites permanently defacing the landscape
      lax nuclear waste regulations in some countries such as Pakistan make it possible for nuclear waste to be obtained by extremists.
      do i need to go on…?

      1. Colin Nicholson Avatar
        Colin Nicholson

        I think it is only 9,000 affected by cancer for chernobyl. A reference would be handy. An interesting theory about Cherbonyl is that the wildlife has prospered due to the absence of humans. If local fauna chooses a nuclear polluted habitat over a human one, then windfarms are the least of their worries

        1. Geoff Avatar
          Geoff

          Hi Colin – there are 2 references to the 4000 – 950,000 dead by cancers.
          Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment – AlexeyV. Yablokov, Vassily B. Nesterenko
          “IAEA Report”. In Focus: Chernobyl. Retrieved 2008-05-31. happy reading!

          1. JonathanMaddox Avatar
            JonathanMaddox

            Sorry, the Yablokov et al paper is pretty darn silly. I’ve read it. It basically attributes *all* increases in cancer death rates in *all* regions even potentially exposed to the fallout plume from Chernobyl, to Chernobyl, notwithstanding that most of the cancers in question are not associated with exposure to radionuclides at all, and have other plausible causes.

            http://www.monbiot.com/2011/04/04/evidence-meltdown/

      2. Dispassionate Avatar
        Dispassionate

        I really don’t see how quoting things that are worse than wind turbines makes them ok. Also it would be more interesting, and fair to look at the proportions vs the totals. If we are only looking at totals then our emissions, in comparison to other countries, is no problem whatsoever. So your total “destruction” of his argument really wasn’t!

        1. Geoff Avatar
          Geoff

          I don’t think you fully understand what you just said. I never quoted on things that are worse than wind turbines, (aka coal plants) more so pointed out what are killing more birds. which again, is backed up by Matthew Cohen, August 2014, avoided water cost of electricity generation by solar pv and wind technologies in southern California.
          also your word proportional does not make sense to the topic either. how can wind and nuclear be proportional to each other? if you haven’t noticed, this comments page has turned into an argument where I am only arguing against the nonsense of wind farms killing birds using clear and known / researched facts where clearly there are more birds being killed by the carbon industry.
          furthermore your remark “our emissions, in comparison to other countries, is no problem whatsoever” is a completely conservative and irresponsible view. Australia is ranked 9th in emissions per capita in the world (r. a. houghton april 2003) and if you think that is ok then I’m pretty sure you think that coal is good for humanity as well…

          1. Dispassionate Avatar
            Dispassionate

            Geoff, maybe you are right about me not understanding what I posted…maybe. But what I am sure of is that you certainly didn’t understand what I had posted.
            Maybe I can explain my point better. You use total numbers of bird deaths to compare and show wind farms are killing far less birds, what I am asking is how many wind farms is this number spread across vs how many communication towers etc? This will allow an apple with apples comparison of the deadliness each has to birdlife.
            Also you make my point exactly but quoting the emissions per capita comparison to other countries! This is exactly what I was getting at.

  11. Ken Fabian Avatar
    Ken Fabian

    The most prominent advocates for nuclear – as is most often the case in Australia – appear to be climate science deniers.

    Nuclear advocacy in the mouths of climate science deniers is not about better alternatives to anything – not renewables and definitely not fossil fuels. It’s a tissue thin rhetorical exercise in blame shifting – somehow it tips the issues upside down and it is made to appear the fault of renewables preferring ‘greenies’ that the emissions problem is not being fixed to the satisfaction of those who don’t want to fix it at all. Divide the climate activists on a time wasting exercise of debating renewables vs nuclear and they will be weakened with respect to the real issue of clean energy vs fossil fuels.

    People like Joyce have been hammering the nails in the coffin of nuclear for climate by their successful co-opting of Conservative politics – ie commerce and industry – into opposing and obstructing action on climate. Or Commerce and industry co-opted the likes of Joyce to the same purpose; they’re in it together. They’ve been committed to undermining the depth of community concern that is an essential ingredient for community support for this ‘most serious’ of responses to climate change – a depth of commitment that far exceeds that for any essential clean energy transformation by any means.

    It’s not been strength of opposition to nuclear that keeps nuclear in it’s hole, it’s the weakness of support due to the diversion of the most influential support for it into the least cost, bargain basement option of not fixing the climate problem at all. End the climate science denial and nuclear might have actual advocates in the LNP rather than the fossil fuel fake advocates of nuclear they currently have. The thing is nuclear needed that back when renewables being cheaper than coal or gas was no more than an overly optimistic hope, not after they crossed the essential parity with coal price point. Now it’s not just the most difficult and unpopular option, it’s the most expensive one.

    The end of the clean energy obstructionism will see support for nuclear on the Right become real but it will also spill over into support for renewables. Renewables will start to get the kind of cross partisan backing they always needed but have never gotten to be implemented effectively at the large scales needed and they will leave nuclear stuck in the hole it’s climate action opposing ‘friends’ on the Conservative Right helped put it in.

  12. Thucydides Avatar
    Thucydides

    Nuclear power generation is not only financially dubious, it is inherently dangerous say scientists: http://allthingsnuclear.org/dlochbaum/special-inspection-oconee-unplugged#.Vty2nGgAX24.twitter

  13. Leigh Ryan Avatar
    Leigh Ryan

    Let’s not misunderstand what is really going on here, either our politicians are corrupt or corruptible, they clearly push the line favoured by their party donors, so why do why attack and denounce our politicians when the truly corrupt, anti-Australian, profit driven at any cost individuals are the party donors we need to clearly identify who they are and what they stand for, we need to encourage every Australian not to support those individuals or the companies they own or administer, we need Australians to refuse to work for them and we need those few politicians who want to remain in politics to present legislation before the parliament to properly tax and enforce taxation upon companies whose business endangers the future health of the nation, we need legislation that makes these industries and their shareholders fully accountable for the damage they have done and will do all in the name of profit and we need some serious investment in a cleaner healthier more vibrant country than we currently have, our youth is listening, our youth is acting and our youth are our future leaders it’s time for their parents and grandparents to stand beside them and support their endeavors to create a better world than the one we have foisted upon them.

  14. tokenpom Avatar
    tokenpom

    Two words for you to Google, Barnaby “Hinckley Point”

    Not even the combined financial clout of the British and Chinese Governments, along with the French National Generator, EDF, can afford that Nuclear Plant !

  15. Suburbable Avatar
    Suburbable

    The current crop of politicians will be the ‘legends’ that we look back and laugh at in the future – Turnbull, Joyce and their even more legendary predecessors, Abbott, Hockey et al.

    The problem could be that their laughable shenanigans could make that future considerably more uncomfortable.

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