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Australia’s EV options vs the world’s – why are we waiting?

*This article is the second in a two-part series from Bryce Gaton. The first installment – The What, Why and When guide to buying an electric vehicle in Australia – was published on RenewEconomy’s sister site, One Step Off The Grid.

Overseas, new EV sales currently make up from 5 per cent in California and more than 25 per cent in Norway. (And growing in both cases). In Australia, it’s less than 0.1 per cent (and falling).

Why is this the case? Well, one answer is choice!

The passenger car and SUV market in Australia is commonly divided into around 12 ‘segments’, plus light commercial vans that can be driven with a car licence.

In Australia, this equates to two ‘light passenger vehicles’ (Renault Zoe & BMW i3), one ‘upper large passenger vehicle’ (Tesla Model S), one ‘large SUV’ (Tesla Model X) plus one light commercial van (Renault Kangoo ZE van).

That’s just five in total – three of which are regarded as luxury cars, with the only ones under $50K (Zoe & Kangoo ZE) arriving in just the last few months. If something in those segments (and price ranges) does not meet your needs – bad luck for trying to choose an EV version.

Meanwhile overseas, there are many, many more EV options to choose from.

For example, to pick just two segments in the USA: there are two EVs in the ‘micro’ segment (Smart for two EV, Fiat 500e) and six in the ‘small’ segment! (2018 Leaf, Ford Focus EV, Hyundai Ioniq electric, Kia Soul EV, Mercedes Benz 250e, Volkswagen e-Golf).

Mind-you, some are not available in all US states. Those not available across the US are called ‘compliance cars’ (such as the Fiat 500e and Ford Focus EV) and are sold only in states that mandate sales of EVs. However they do prove that the major manufacturers will build EVs (if sometimes grudgingly).

On top of this, the three most anticipated EVs for range and price are already available in the US – these being the Chevrolet Bolt, 2018 Nissan Leaf and the Tesla Model 3.

In Europe there are even more EVs models available.

For light commercial vans, they have a choice we in Australia can only dream of: the Renault Kangoo ZE (in several sizes, not just the 650kg payload version offered in Australia), the Renault Master ZE in six versions (payload 975 – 1128kg), the Nissan e-NV200 van (770kg payload) and the Citroen Berlingo Electric van (636kg payload).

Europe also has had the Renault Zoe since 2013, where it has been the biggest selling EV since 2015. Sadly, it took till late 2017 for the Zoe to reach Australian shores (and even then, only in limited quantities).

The Bolt (rebadged as the Opel Ampera-e) and the 2018 Leaf are both on sale in Europe too – and the Model 3 should reach the left-hand drive European market late this year.

Summing up – perhaps the following two graphics show the stark difference between Australia and the rest of the world for new EV options:


Notes to graphic 2:

  1. prices quoted are before the addition of On Road Costs (ORCs).
  2. ‘Coming’ EV prices are in US dollars
  3. The table does not show the recently announced Jaguar Land Rover offering, the all-electric SUV I-Pace, which is expected to retail in Australia from October this year from around $120,000.
  4. The table does not show the Hyundai Kona, another electric SUV that should be available in Australia in late 2018 (price to be confirmed).

One can speculate on the reasons (or start conspiracy theories) for why the major manufacturers won’t bring EVs to the Australian market – but perhaps the following results from a recent KPMG survey of global auto executives  puts it in perspective. (Source: KPMG Global Automotive Executive Survey, 2017).

The major findings relating to EV attitudes of the 953 surveyed automotive executives were:

  • 62% of executives absolutely or partly agree that BEVs will fail due to infrastructure challenges.
  • 76% of the executives see ICEs as still more important than electric drivetrains for a very long time.
  • 50% of executives believe battery electric vehicles to be the key automotive trend going forward – but only because of the regulatory environment dictating it.
  • 78% of executives absolutely or partly agree that FCEVs (fuel cell EVs) will be the real breakthrough for electric mobility – explained in part by execs believing in fuel cells due to their be their strong attachment to the existing infrastructure and traditional vehicle applications*.

One can conclude from these results that, where government is not pushing the manufacturers through one or more of:

  • vehicle emissions standards (mostly everywhere other than Australia),
  • incentives (eg: UK, Norway, Canada, US in general and California in particular),
  • sales targets (China) or
  • outright end dates for ICE sales (legislated dates already in Norway, Holland, India, France, UK, and more to come);

…then ICE vehicles will be offered by default.

Therefore, as Australian government policy does none of these things – until one or more of the above regulatory environment changes are made, we will be stuck with little EV choice. (In other words, it is more of a ‘heel-dragging’ exercise than anything else!)

* It is worth noting here that Elon Musk of Tesla terms fuel cells as ‘fool cells’ as he believes they are a dead-end technology. In part, this is explained in the graphic below: (source: https://phys.org)

Bryce Gaton is the National Newsletter Editor for the Australian Electric Vehicle Association (AEVA) and is a qualified secondary science educator as well as a Registered Electrical Contractor and electrical trade teacher. He has been working in the EV sector for 10 years, and currently works part-time for the Melbourne School of Engineering as their EV safe work practice trainer/supervisor. He regularly writes on EV topics for and on behalf of both the AEVA and ATA. Bryce also owns and drives two EVs – a Nissan Leaf for commuting and a converted Citroen van for work.

Comments

77 responses to “Australia’s EV options vs the world’s – why are we waiting?”

  1. Rob Avatar
    Rob

    One reason is Nissan Australia’s appalling policy of refusing to offer a battery replacement service. So as soon as your battery wears out your Leaf has no resale value because it can’t drive anywhere, there is no longer a way to achieve the basic function required of a car. The rest of your car is not worn out and perfectly serviceable, but its only value is scrap and Nissan won’t budge.

    In the US Nissan do offer to replace the battery for $5,000 and I imagine it is similar in Europe, but Nissan Australia point blank refuses. I am a Nissan Leaf owner and was gobsmacked to learn this as my battery began to die. When we purchased the vehicle we received assurance there would be no problem replacing the battery but Nissan has reneged!

    1. suthnsun Avatar
      suthnsun

      Very disappointing to hear both sides of that.(battery failure and non replacement)

    2. Joe Avatar
      Joe

      You are still driving the Leaf so how have you overcome the dying battery issue?

      1. Rob Avatar
        Rob

        We have not overcome the dying battery issue.

        I was forecasting the near term future when I said: “as soon as it wears out it has no resale value”. This was not a statement of current condition, but instead an imminent one.

        Its range is down to less than half so it remains drivable, but its use is becoming quite limited now. I can still make it into town and back on a charge if I drive carefully.

        Maybe RenewEconomy could take this appalling policy decision (to refuse to replace worn out batteries) up with Nissan and see what they have to say for themselves.

        1. Joe Avatar
          Joe

          What an awful situation you are in. How can a car maker expect to have customers with this sort of business attitude.

        2. john Avatar
          john

          As they started so they are now.
          They do not want to sell the vehicle.

        3. Damien Ellis Avatar
          Damien Ellis

          Hey Rob – this leaf owners blogs site is full of useful information including several owners who have had their batteries replace under warranty – http://ozleaf.proboards.com/thread/398/replacement-battery-pack?page=5&scrollTo=14198

        4. Guy Stewart Avatar
          Guy Stewart

          Rob, I would be talking to the ACCC and fair trading. You had a reasonable expectation of service. No one would buy a new vehicle if they knew the life could be less that 6 years with the likely declining failure of an essential, irreplaceable component.

          I would expect this is in the too hard basket for Nissan Australia, but has the potential to do global brand damage.
          I expect all it would take is a quick phone call from Nissan head office in Japan once the brand is suitably tarnished on social or mainstream media and suddenly your problems are sorted.

          1. Rob Avatar
            Rob

            Thanks Guy. That is a great suggestion. I’ll report back with how I got on.

        5. Richard Rambone Avatar
          Richard Rambone

          I heard EV batteries essentially last forever.

    3. Geoff James Avatar
      Geoff James

      I’m really upset to hear this – having promised (like many maybe) my next car will be an EV. But it’s really noticeable that nobody apart from Tesla advertises EVs here – in contrast to endless expensive ads for the latest ICE offerings. Hope I can keep the ’99 Odyssey going just a bit longer…

      1. Geoff James Avatar
        Geoff James

        Corollary: how and where can we make noise and promote some change here?

        1. MaxG Avatar
          MaxG

          I am sure if you can get a group buy going with 50 plus vehicles you may have a goer.

          1. Lachie Avatar
            Lachie

            I’m in….

        2. Barri Mundee Avatar
          Barri Mundee

          Maybe groups such as “Get up”?

      2. john Avatar
        john

        I have never seen an advertisement for a Tesla.
        Why the vehicles sell themselves and more demand than the company can produce.

        1. Guy Stewart Avatar
          Guy Stewart

          Tesla advertising is unconventional, and among some of the best and more effective in the world.

          Consumers demand products before production and pay deposits without certainty of delivery.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/55cd3c454e8c9f792d7cb87baacb7a3b0f87ce2060666457b1bf191897fa09f4.jpg

      3. Mike Westerman Avatar
        Mike Westerman

        I reckon the Odyssey is good for a conversion – I’m trying to work out options on our 2006

    4. Malcolm Scott Avatar
      Malcolm Scott

      The nearest Leaf owner to me just outside Nambour has had the battery replaced under warranty. So Nissan can do it

      1. Rob Avatar
        Rob

        Yes and that is what irks me the most. They can do it but they choose not to offer the replacement product for sale. They will only do it as a warranty claim and battery warranty last 5 years. So if your battery claps out in 6 years you are left with a sculpture for your garden with no resale value. If for some reason it wasn’t technically possible to replace then it would be a little easier to understand. But they can do it and won’t.

      2. Rob Avatar
        Rob

        I’d be very grateful if you could send me the contact details for the Nissan dealer than managed the warranty claim. At least they have some clue about how to get the battery changed. Our local dealer is completely clueless. Maybe I can chat with a dealer who knows what is going on and see if they offer some suggestions.

        1. Guy Stewart Avatar
          Guy Stewart

          Keep us updated Rob. The service ecosystem around EV’s is a huge unknown. I can’t imagine Nissan is encouraging 3rd parties to get in the service business, but markets abhor a vacuum.

    5. Nick Kemp Avatar
      Nick Kemp

      I though car makers were obliged to have spare parts for a given period of time in Australia

      The NSW fair trading site says
      Consumer guarantees
      As a manufacturer, you guarantee to take reasonable steps to provide spare parts and repair facilities – a place that can fix the consumer’s goods – for a reasonable time after purchase.

      Ten years is a reasonable time five years is not in my view

  2. DevMac Avatar
    DevMac

    The US has federal tax credits of up to $7,500 for EV’s.

    “A 2016 study conducted by researchers from the University of California, Davis found that the federal tax credit was the reason behind more than 30% of the plug-in electric sales. The impact of the federal tax incentive is higher among owners of the Nissan Leaf, with up to 49% of sales attributable to the federal incentive. The study, based on a stated preference survey of more than 2,882 plug-in vehicle owners in 11 states, also found that the federal tax credit shifts buyers from internal combustion engine vehicles to plug-in vehicles and advances the purchase timing of new vehicles by a year or more”

    From here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_incentives_for_plug-in_electric_vehicles#New_plug-in_electric_vehicles

    Now, if the Australian government… hahaha, when’s the election?

    1. handbaskets'r'us Avatar
      handbaskets’r’us

      Not bloody soon enough!

    2. Malcolm Scott Avatar
      Malcolm Scott

      One national political party did have a pro-active electric vehicle policy, but too few Australians voted for that.

      The problem is with Australians, not the government we elect.

      Same problem with action on climate change. That political parties can suggest spending public money on extending coal fired power stations, and go to elections advocating for more coal fired power stations just shows you the general ignorance of the Australian voter, or their priorities in life.

      We might recall the words of General Sir John Monash when in 1930 he was invited by some disgruntled compatriots to lead a military coup.

      Monash replied, by letter:

      “Depend upon it, the only hope for Australia is the ballot box and an educated electorate.”

      1. john Avatar
        john

        Very true Monash would not join the movement to install a marshal state into Australia.
        I think perhaps it was before 1930 but.

      2. MaxG Avatar
        MaxG

        “The problem is with Australians, not the government we elect.” Spot on!!

        1. Daniel S Avatar
          Daniel S

          The standard Aussie wants to drive their 3L Turbodiesel, pay no gasguzzler tax and tank fuel for cheap. The attitude would quickly change if unleaded would be 2.50$ and you’d pay a hefty rego price for anything above a 2L/4cc engine.

      3. DevMac Avatar
        DevMac

        Education: The correct answer to some many questions

  3. George Darroch Avatar
    George Darroch

    Why are we waiting? Because Australia voted out a Labor Government in 2013.

    Some of it is due to the manufacturers, but they follow policy environments rather than lead them.

    1. George Darroch Avatar
      George Darroch

      And yes, we need to *force* manufacturers to sell electric vehicles, and charge them real money for every non-zero-emissions vehicle they sell – large and small.

      1. MaxG Avatar
        MaxG

        Who is “we”?

        1. neroden Avatar
          neroden

          Australians, I assume!

          1. MaxG Avatar
            MaxG

            Ahh, the turkeys who vote for thanksgiving.
            Those who vote for neolibs without understanding what they stand for.

  4. john Avatar
    john

    I will give you 1 good reason that Australia is not going EV.
    When the Nissan Leaf was released I rang the manager of Nissan in Australia.
    I asked him “When can I buy a Leaf?”
    His answer was ” Whats a leaf?”
    Not exactly the answer i expected.
    I put my name down to buy the first release in Australia.
    The price $52.000 while in Japan in AU dollars and the USA and Europe was $32 mind I was just a tad disquieted.
    Perhaps this explains why Australia is moving so slowly toward EV.
    Yes one of the 12 first purchasers would have got it free no wonder when they jacked up the price so much!

    1. Malcolm Scott Avatar
      Malcolm Scott

      When brand new ones were available in Victoria for $40k, near new off the Nissan Fleet for $34k and I think government price around $30k (need to check the invoice to be sure) they still did not sell well.

      Price is a monstrous barrier, but there are other factors as well.

    2. Dennis Kavanagh Avatar
      Dennis Kavanagh

      I visited a Renault dealership today yo ask a few questions about the upcoming Zoe. The man was quite polite but he said he had been told nothing about it. He didn’t even know there was an online brochure available from the Renault website. So chances are Renault are heading down the same disinterested path that Nissan took.

      1. john Avatar
        john

        Exactly they are as disinterested as when the first vehicle was released.
        Hint do not talk to dealers they have no clue frankly.

      2. Guy Stewart Avatar
        Guy Stewart

        It’s pretty sad when a sales team at a national level is so disinterested in the future of the product they are selling.

      3. Antony Day Avatar
        Antony Day

        By contrast, Mellville Renault here in Perth have advised that the Zoe is available, now for order. Their sales person will be coming to our meeting ( AEVA Perth ) tomorrow night to give us some more details

  5. Peter Campbell Avatar
    Peter Campbell

    With the exception of Tesla, for just every brand that was offering an EV, I have come across at least one person who had a dealer for that brand try to talk them out of buying that EV. The dealers didn’t want to understand them, didn’t want to sell them.

    1. Malcolm Scott Avatar
      Malcolm Scott

      That’s why Connecticut pays a rebate to the dealership, and has awards for the dealer with most EV sales/leases

      http://www.governing.com/gov-institute/voices/col-electric-car-sales-connecticut-dealer-rebate.html

    2. Malcolm Scott Avatar
      Malcolm Scott

      Alina Dini did a PHD at QLD Uni on this subject
      Title: Influence of New Car Buyers’ Purchase Experience on Plug-in Vehicle Demand
      https://www.linkedin.com/in/alinadini/

      1. MaxG Avatar
        MaxG

        Are you referring to this: https://www.qut.edu.au/international/study-abroad-and-exchange/news/news?news-id=89981 or how to get to what you mentioned?

      2. Alina Dini Avatar
        Alina Dini

        Hi Malcolm! Yes, I did and those results are imminently to be released… Thanks for the nod.

    3. Nick Kemp Avatar
      Nick Kemp

      THat’s because the dealer can’t make much money from them after you buy one . The service costs are tiny compared to ICE vehicles – I saw a Robert LLewelin talk where he said his service costs on a Leaf after (I think) two years was 7 pounds for windscreen washer fluid

      1. Peter Campbell Avatar
        Peter Campbell

        In the first few years, the manufacturer usually has a fixed price servicing arrangement which you have to follow to be confident of being able to make a warranty claim. At least during that period, the dealer gets similar money to servicing any other model but doesn’t have to do very much for it.

  6. Robin_Harrison Avatar
    Robin_Harrison

    Hopefully this behaviour will have the same effect as the rip-off energy merchants, creating a huge demand that may be supplied by others. China’s cars are coming along.

    1. john Avatar
      john

      Yes and considering Geely now own Volvo they are very into EV so good times to come shortly.

    2. nakedChimp Avatar
      nakedChimp

      Same here, I expect my first BEV to be a Chinese car.
      Don’t think I will be able to afford the premium prices they obviously expect from us..

  7. Gman Avatar
    Gman

    I actually considered the new 2018 Leaf before I heard the Kona EV was coming. Curious on pricing. The attitude of Nissan Australia is a real concern. The eGolf would be a genuine contender in Australia if there were incentives, no rego would be a great start.

    1. john Avatar
      john

      No problem if you are in South Australia.

      1. MaxG Avatar
        MaxG

        Like someone else said; buy it there and drive it across the border.

  8. David Havyatt Avatar
    David Havyatt

    The simplest explanation is that every Australian buys their car on the assumption that a few times a year it will be used on a long journey where the absence of fuelling stations will matter. This fact will turn up in car company market research and lead them to conclude there is an insufficient market to target.

    To this can be added the myth of Australians as early adopters. The classic S shaped adoption curve can be approximated by a model that bases adoption rates on the percentage of people who have already adopted. The Australian adoption curves usually are flatter longer and then suddenly start driving up the curve. The interpretation is we are more influenced by what each other is doing than other markets.

    1. Dennis Kavanagh Avatar
      Dennis Kavanagh

      I agree David. Once a fair few people get their hands on a really compelling car such as the Tesla Model 3, lots of people will be looking on and asking questions and before long sales will skyrocket.

      1. Dennis Kavanagh Avatar
        Dennis Kavanagh

        ….. Regardless of any government incentives.

    2. MaxG Avatar
      MaxG

      The latter sentence is the classic definition of “Sheep”.

      1. DevMac Avatar
        DevMac

        It’s also true. Which is why those of us who ‘know better’ have a certain civic duty to lead by example.

        1. MaxG Avatar
          MaxG

          Yes, I know… but I am exhausted; I couldn’t cope with this ubiquitous stupidity… until I read this: https://qz.com/967554/the-five-universal-laws-of-human-stupidity/ — Now I am quite content. It is hard work, and after are recent experience with a climate denier and flat earther, I was literally lost for words… as I could not believe that one soul could utter so much nonsense… I did not event attempt to go against it.

          1. DevMac Avatar
            DevMac

            That’s a great read, thanks. I find it less exhausting to limit myself to debunking the very narrow arguments “they” always seem to use, and limit to replying once (I sometimes break this rule). I find those rules limit my exhaustion – lost causes are lost causes, chuck them in the ‘stupid’ quadrant and don’t waste any more time.

          2. Nick Kemp Avatar
            Nick Kemp

            Well I looked up my horoscope and I now realize I am one of the few who know the earth is flat because I was born under lager with red wine rising. Climate change is a different matter because you can scientifically prove it doesn’t exist by looking at pictures of Bondi

          3. MaxG Avatar
            MaxG

            Thanks for the comprehensive scientific explanation. The water level in my well has been the same for years; in my case rising water levels would be a good thing.
            (God forgive me for spreading bullsh!t :))

    3. Daniel S Avatar
      Daniel S

      I have gone on long car journeys both in Australia and Europe. A quick break to charge the car is no big deal in the grand scheme of things. Driving 130kphish in Australia you should still get 400km out of a full charge. And you get about 80% of that back in 40min of charging. Realistically you will travel much slower than 130kph in Australia though. Roads to crappy or too heavily monitored with speed cameras. I personally don’t see charging stations as an issue. They just have to be built.

      1. David Havyatt Avatar
        David Havyatt

        I was referring to perception – and it is the perception of off the major highway kind. Reality is that if you really need to make that kind of journey you hire a vehicle for it.

    4. Mike Shackleton Avatar
      Mike Shackleton

      That steeper uptake you mention is now being seen with Solar panels – pretty much everyone in the country would know someone with a rooftop installation. Australians put far more weight on real-world experience than recommendations driven by research or technical expertise. As an engineer it’s really hard to cut through. People trust the opinion of their friends on something more than the trained expert!

  9. Ian Avatar
    Ian

    If people are right about the S curve then very generous incentives up to the point where the market accelerates would be required.

    Here are a couple of issues:

    1. The prices of electric vehicles are about $20% higher than the USA (Ioniq US$29500 =AU$38000 vs Renault Zoe AU $47000 are similar cars), and also double the cost of similar ICE vehicles.

    2. Battery packs have a high cost. Consider a figure of about US$250/KWH ie AU$300/kWh 40kWh battery pack would cost about $12000

    How would you calculate a fair price for EV?

    You could add the battery cost of an EV model to the total price of a similar sized ICE vehicle. eg renault Clio $20000 plus 22kWhx$300/KWH =$6600 should be equivalent to a Renault Zoe is $26600 but the Zoe is being offered at $47000.

    Obviously there is room for improvement in total vehicle prices without any drop in battery costs. This premium must be due to marketing and company policy issues. This country must demonstrate that it is open to the EV business but also demonstrate that we are not stupid when it comes to EV pricing.

    Our governments could make manufactures an offer : here is an example; for the first 50 000 EV sold they will cover 1/2 the cost of the battery pack if and only if the car company sells the EV at the price of an equivalent ICE vehicle plus the cost of the battery pack.

    Taking our example of the Zoe : base price of its equivalent the Clio $20000 plus $6600 for the battery pack, government incentive $3300, purchase price to the consumer $23300. The cost of this program if all vehicles had similar sized batteries 50 000x $3300= $165 million

    1. Ian Avatar
      Ian

      Houston we have a problem. One of the issues with EV is that they are very expensive compared to their ICE equivalents . Besides incentives for EV up take we need disincentives for ICE vehicles. This should not be done to penalise consumers but to discourage manufacturers. Others have talked about emissions standards, but here is an idea that could be considered.

      Instead of paying excise on fuel this could be charged on the purchase price of the new vehicle. We know that the average car travels about 15000 km a year and uses about 8l/100km = 1200l/year or $480 excise a year over 5 years $2400. Well then, charge $2400 extra on the purchase price of the vehicle and refund the excise on the cost of petrol for the 5 years. A $20000 ICE suddenly costs $22400, the owner then needs to claim this back on his or her petrol invoice.

    2. Coley Avatar
      Coley

      “Our governments could make manufactures an offer : here is an example; for the first 50 000 EV sold they will cover 1/2 the cost of the battery pack if and only if the car company sells the EV at the price of an equivalent ICE vehicle plus the cost of the battery pack”

      But why pay an additional amount for the battery pack when the manufacturer is saving an equivalent amount by not having to supply an engine, transmission and ancillary cooling, lubricating and exhaust systems?
      Even today with current battery packs the BEV should be marginally cheaper!?

    3. Peter Campbell Avatar
      Peter Campbell

      Re stamp duty. In the ACT, the stamp duty on a high emission vehicle is greater than for ordinary cars. The stamp duty is reduced for very efficient cars and zero for electric cars.

  10. neroden Avatar
    neroden

    In the case of Tesla and the Chinese automakers (BYD, Geely, etc.), Australia is suffering from being a small market. They will go to China and India and the US and even Russia before making a big effort in a small-population market which is not on the major shipping routes.

    At least you have the S and the X. You’ll get the 3 *eventually* but not until North America, Europe, and China are getting large numbers, so probably not until 2020 or later.

    1. Malcolm Scott Avatar
      Malcolm Scott

      Which is reason why we (Australia) must harmonise our ADRs with like country design rules or embrace the design rules of cars certified in like countries.

      What is happening in this area? Or do we still have a defacto trade barrier?

      1. Phil NSW Avatar
        Phil NSW

        Just maybe you have hit one of the nails on the head. Are the powers-to-be been trying as hard as they can to block EV cars? With Australia’s inept power market those who want an EV would potentially be considering a Vehicle to House/Grid charge/discharge point to offset our ridiculous power prices. Having 30+ kWh of power available is enticing.

  11. Jason Panosh Avatar
    Jason Panosh

    Every one is pointing out subsidies and incentives, but the other big factor is infrastructure. I drive a Nissan Leaf and without the CHAdeMO DC chargers placed about 50km apart the Leaf is really only useful around town. And 50km is about right for chargers, and we need plenty of them if there proves to be a big shift to EV’s. Think about how far you need to drive to get between petrol stations.
    And don’t forget Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicles (PHEV), these are a good option for Australia where all the day to day driving is electric but then they have petrol engine for longer trips.
    I think the ideas of penalties for petrol vehicles has got to happen, we have huge health issues related to these vehicles that we pay for indirectly through other taxes, start taxing directly related to these issues and it soon makes a difference in choice. Likewise emissions schemes to penalise the lack of EV’s like we see in California and China.
    What can we see happening around the World? A real change to EV’s is coming. What do we think is going to happen in Australia if the change happens? How easily will we be able to get our petrol vehicles when the rest of the World decides they are no longer available? It might be 20yrs away, but that will go very quickly, and we will feel pretty stupid, if nothing is done in the intervening time to get ready for it.

    1. neroden Avatar
      neroden

      Well, Tesla’s putting in a solid Supercharger network. I don’t see anyone else doing so.

  12. rob Avatar
    rob

    @bryce gaton it about time that you and 99% of the worlds population realise the “holland ” is a province of the “THE NETHERLANDS” which is a country………christ this pisses me off….and you a school teacher!

  13. Barri Mundee Avatar
    Barri Mundee

    We have a federal government with an ideology strongly committed to the myth of the free market, so I suspect very little will happen until and unless we have a change to a more social democratic, more interventionist alternative.

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